My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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kidlat020 said: I have this freaking suspicion that 8man himself doesn't know what he's really looking for. What does his search for something real had to do with Tobe's request, Iroha, Yukino, Yui or sensei? See, the "something real" statement itself is too broad. I really think he's just confused (not that I blame him) and the pseudo-solution that happened in their club (with the whole FEELS I might add) will one day crumble and he'll find himself again going under the same problem. He wants something real? I could give him something real. and its not pretty. rant post ahead. Someone I'm chatting with declared to me this. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." Gave it a thought overnight and finally decided to accept it. It was ugly yet it perfectly described humanity as someone who will continuously consume just for the heck of it. The statement would be far more intense if you're someone who doesn't know where to get the money to place food on the table and might be forced to "deceive others" in the name of primal necessity. Pretty scary as well when you think that people uses the word "relationship" as a sugarcoating way of (ab)using others for their own whims and fleshly needs. And well, speaking of forcing others to their whims, religion is perhaps the number 1 notorious to this. Something like "god gave me authority according to chapter X verse Y-Z, so I order you to take off your clothes" or something. And again, its really ugly. Here's a quote by George Carlin that I think describes Hachiman perfectly: “Scratch any cynic and you will find a disappointed idealist.” No one is born with that level of cynicism. That is something that could only arise from a radical disillusionment about society. His dreamy and naive younger self was constantly ignored, ostracized and bullied, perhaps even by those whom he thought were his friends. "Society" presented this fragile, socially awkward kid nothing but letdowns after letdowns. The car accident was the final nail in the coffin. Hachiman was filled with excitement for the next stage in his life, and the last chance to enjoy his youth. But that accident robbed him of that opportunity. He was pinning his last hopes on the chance to make new friends in high school and live a well-adjusted youth, but this accident blew it. Couple this with the fact that the occupants of the car did not bother visiting him directly to apologize. It was there that he lost faith in humanity. He became wary of everyone's intentions and doubtful of everyone's sincerity, as his past showed him time and time again that they cannot be trusted. On several occasions, he compared humans to beasts in the wild. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." This is truth right here. Human relationships are nothing but a means to an end. We try to hide our primal instincts under layers upon layers of lies and pretense, but we're actually just using everyone else to serve our own selfish desires. Or at least, that's what Hachiman thinks. His recent actions, though, reveal that he hasn't completely 'lost faith in humanity'. Why did he go to such great lengths to prevent Yukino and Yui from running for president? Why did he have to use Komachi as an excuse to rescue his club? And even before that, why did he choose to sacrifice himself just to preserve Hayama's "shallow" clique? Unbeknownst even to himself, he was actually hoping that such relationships, shallow and flimsy as they are right now, would later grow into something more sincere, more real, and more "genuine". Good old Hachiman, still clinging to his naive ideals. That's my take on it. But of course, if one is unwilling to look past the surface, one will this see series as a hollow attempt at adding depth to the harem genre with a lot of cringe-worthy drama. Just get on with the shipping wars. Because that's the whole point of this show right? |
Imeon said: if that's true Shouldn't yukino look the ugliest when crying?Ryuunoske21 said: turns out Hikki is an an ugly crier lool  THis is how people with too much pride and ego cries after being humiliated.... HAHHAAHA |
| Great episode, very emotional. I thought there might be a group hug at the end. |
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| Actually cried watching this. Hachiman finally accepting his wish of getting to know other people and understanding them. A wild ride of emotions right there. Then there's Yukino who opened up too. Man, now I feel warm and fuzzy. :') |
| Pretty depressing episode--so much feels. But I really loved it! |
DopeMay 22, 2015 7:42 PM
Wild_Lynx said:  Poor guy got left out again, should have done a triple hug. Hachiman doesn't hug. And if he was going to hug anyone it should be Shizuka.Plus they were all being over-dramatic. |
Vox_Populi said: I understand every form of entertainment is dramatized, it would be boring if it weren't. But I'm trying to understand what emotions I was expected to feel. Because, I don't know, it just felt like too much over a relatively simple misunderstanding. I mean, tears??? Seriously? Well basically you have 2 very antisocial people trying to fix a problem after both their idealized versions of each other have been shattered. Plus this is the first time Hachiman has had this kind of relationship with people other than family members. |
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xsilicon9 said: john100 said: omg so much forced drama.. for me this went from fave anime of the year to barely able to finish a episode.. LOL@ ppl calling this real Yea I know what you mean. I don't remember breaking down in high school and hugging each other. And they're being overdramatic over petty problems. That's what makes this show great. Yui crying too much.. she can hold them back at least. But I guess every time the trio get together, she has to make a fuss and cry. Get's me tensed though never the less. |
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Damn was I the only one who couldn't stomach to see hachiman cry like that infront of Yukino and Yui? It felt cringy like Hachiman was the last guy on the show I was expecting to see crying infront of others and to make things worse, Yukino just ran off after he mustered up all that courage. |
Crips said: xsilicon9 said: Yea I know what you mean. I don't remember breaking down in high school and hugging each other. And they're being overdramatic over petty problems. That's what makes this show great. Yui crying too much.. she can hold them back at least. But I guess every time the trio get together, she has to make a fuss and cry. Get's me tensed though never the less. I've seen girls in my school that cries over things like fighting with friends. So it's not that surprising that Yui also cried. Yui loses her facade when she was near with Hachiman and Yukino, which is why she cried a lot when with them. |
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xsilicon9 said: TyphoonS said: Haha..your highschool experience doesn't have to be the same as others. I've seen girls crying and hugging each other after fights(not physical) in my highschool. This anime is as realistic as an anime can get. This isn't forced at all. This season of SNAFU is way better than the first. Well, this season isn't for people who can't think much. So, maybe that is why you guys don't enjoy it. We can all agree females cry about everything. Is Wataru trying to write Hachiman as a girl now? People compare him to Batman but even Bruce Wayne didn't cry like that after his parents were killed in front of him. At least this. but it still doesn't stop this searies to be the great show it is. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
supracseduch said: kidlat020 said: I have this freaking suspicion that 8man himself doesn't know what he's really looking for. What does his search for something real had to do with Tobe's request, Iroha, Yukino, Yui or sensei? See, the "something real" statement itself is too broad. I really think he's just confused (not that I blame him) and the pseudo-solution that happened in their club (with the whole FEELS I might add) will one day crumble and he'll find himself again going under the same problem. He wants something real? I could give him something real. and its not pretty. rant post ahead. Someone I'm chatting with declared to me this. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." Gave it a thought overnight and finally decided to accept it. It was ugly yet it perfectly described humanity as someone who will continuously consume just for the heck of it. The statement would be far more intense if you're someone who doesn't know where to get the money to place food on the table and might be forced to "deceive others" in the name of primal necessity. Pretty scary as well when you think that people uses the word "relationship" as a sugarcoating way of (ab)using others for their own whims and fleshly needs. And well, speaking of forcing others to their whims, religion is perhaps the number 1 notorious to this. Something like "god gave me authority according to chapter X verse Y-Z, so I order you to take off your clothes" or something. And again, its really ugly. Here's a quote by George Carlin that I think describes Hachiman perfectly: “Scratch any cynic and you will find a disappointed idealist.” No one is born with that level of cynicism. That is something that could only arise from a radical disillusionment about society. His dreamy and naive younger self was constantly ignored, ostracized and bullied, perhaps even by those whom he thought were his friends. "Society" presented this fragile, socially awkward kid nothing but letdowns after letdowns. The car accident was the final nail in the coffin. Hachiman was filled with excitement for the next stage in his life, and the last chance to enjoy his youth. But that accident robbed him of that opportunity. He was pinning his last hopes on the chance to make new friends in high school and live a well-adjusted youth, but this accident blew it. Couple this with the fact that the occupants of the car did not bother visiting him directly to apologize. It was there that he lost faith in humanity. He became wary of everyone's intentions and doubtful of everyone's sincerity, as his past showed him time and time again that they cannot be trusted. On several occasions, he compared humans to beasts in the wild. "For as long as humans are bound to oxygen, food and water, humans will have all the reason to lie and deceive." This is truth right here. Human relationships are nothing but a means to an end. We try to hide our primal instincts under layers upon layers of lies and pretense, but we're actually just using everyone else to serve our own selfish desires. Or at least, that's what Hachiman thinks. His recent actions, though, reveal that he hasn't completely 'lost faith in humanity'. Why did he go to such great lengths to prevent Yukino and Yui from running for president? Why did he have to use Komachi as an excuse to rescue his club? And even before that, why did he choose to sacrifice himself just to preserve Hayama's "shallow" clique? Unbeknownst even to himself, he was actually hoping that such relationships, shallow and flimsy as they are right now, would later grow into something more sincere, more real, and more "genuine". Good old Hachiman, still clinging to his naive ideals. That's my take on it. But of course, if one is unwilling to look past the surface, one will this see series as a hollow attempt at adding depth to the harem genre with a lot of cringe-worthy drama. Just get on with the shipping wars. Because that's the whole point of this show right? Thanks for writing this, was wondering if i was the only one that wasn't thinking "bestt girll!" every episode or looking at frames without understanding anything at all. |
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| HAHAHAHAHA! This was the HUGE awesome episode we were waiting for? THIS?!? Goddamn, Jap teens sure got it rough with their angsty problems and incomprehensible emotions. Jesus Christ people.....this is Clannad all over again. Overly emotional anime gets such a high praise from MALers even if it doesn't make much sense. UGH....what a disappointing season this has been. MALer logic FEELS + Drama = Instant 10/10! |
--ALEX--May 22, 2015 10:04 PM
| ahhh holy crap, I got so lost but it felt so fucking good i didn't care. The time Hikki was searching deep in his heart for the answer, that got to me so good. The anime didn't even need something stupidly heart breaking for me to feel that. ahhhhh I'll have to watch this episode another time before I get it, I shouldn't have watched this with my sister, it was hard to contemplate what was going on during it (considering how much witty and stupid banter we go through while watching anime) and I ended up lost. I give super props to the director, writer, or whoever had a part in those emotion searching scenes. Good god those were beautiful. I was wanting to cry from it, even if i didn't. |
JustALEX said: HAHAHAHAHA! This was the HUGE awesome episode we were waiting for? THIS?!? Goddamn, Jap teens sure got it rough with their angsty problems and incomprehensible emotions. Jesus Christ people.....this is Clannad all over again. Says the person who gave Clannad a 10. Overly emotional anime gets such a high praise from MALers even if it doesn't make much sense. UGH....what a disappointing season this has been. MALer logic FEELS + Drama = Instant 10/10! |
GovMay 22, 2015 10:21 PM
| @Gov I meant to say Clannad AS....ugh, don't want to remember that shit. Ironically this series is now becoming very similar to how I viewed Clannad. Whereas I liked the first season and felt it would only become stronger towards the second, I'm in despair with the overly emotional, sappy, and very contrasting style in which the seasons are presented. I didn't expect this heavy melodrama and for the characters to display so much angst. It really is throwing me off....a lot actually. |
JustALEX said: HAHAHAHAHA! This was the HUGE awesome episode we were waiting for? THIS?!? Goddamn, Jap teens sure got it rough with their angsty problems and incomprehensible emotions. Jesus Christ people.....this is Clannad all over again. Overly emotional anime gets such a high praise from MALers even if it doesn't make much sense. UGH....what a disappointing season this has been. MALer logic FEELS + Drama = Instant 10/10! Clannad (S1) was a legitimately bad show drama-wise. It haphazardly used supernatural elements and utterly ridiculous situations to shove drama centered on little girls into the viewers' throats. S2 was better with regards to realism but still conveniently used supernatural phenomena for artificial drama. As such, I regard it as nowhere close to the masterpiece that a lot of MALers take it to be. Mostly because the closer you look into its story, the less it makes sense. On the flipside, this show makes a hell lot more sense if you pry deeply into the characters' motivations. There's plenty of insightful discussion within the episode threads that bring to light the depth of characterization. Whereas in Clannad, all you get is something along the lines of "OMG that was so beautiful! I'm crying right now!". |
Samhiuy said: Adm2008 said: No man look again, there are are people that not only acknowledge your existence, also enjoyed your post as well, look the comments of Seiryuu2 Nudebear WolfWoods, and i bet that are more ppl that also read it and just had nothing else to say because it was an splendid post and there is nothing else to add. Did you ever considered that somehow you are in the same spot than Hachiman? because of some bad experiences now you seem to used to them? and you also aware that that is changing?, do the same, don't let that happen anymore man.but again i'm gonna fight against your pessimism: we want more reviews, we want to listen what you say, and no, i'm not going to send you PM, instead i'm going to request that you come here, to the forum, and give your insights, because as me, ppl like to read them, and i have no right to keep them to myself. Looking forward for your review of the next episode, and i'm will not take a no from you. Ah, thank you...and I was mostly annoyed by the character discussion beyond that. I just disliked people constantly bashing the characters without trying to understand them and saying that this is unrealistic (see the below quote). I'm quoting your reply to me only because you asked me questions, but I'm grateful for the people that read my post as well. If I really have to use the characters to describe myself, I am more of a hybrid of the three. Unlike Hachiman, I was outgoing and cheerful like Yui, but eventually became a social outcast because I didn't want to participate in collective bullying and gossiping. As I have said (using the Krishnan-Robert interview example), people tend to gather and hate on person without realizing what they have done. Most of the time, they considered themselves "too righteous to be wrong". They disliked one of their peer, so they avoided him. In time, this became emotional stress for that person and I realized that something greater was going on and I'm not going to be a part of it anymore. Too much personal life experiences, so I'm putting it in spoiler: xsilicon9 said: Yea I know what you mean. I don't remember breaking down in high school and hugging each other. And they're being overdramatic over petty problems. Well, while you might not have experienced it, it isn't the same for others. People have different circumstances and might be easily pressured by your so called "petty problems". Emotional stress at school is akin to the emotional stress at work. Just because it is "school" does not mean the problem is less serious. This is linked to growth and if you deem it as stupid and petty, you'll be the one who will be destroying your kid's future (if you have one) because you didn't pay attention to their mental health. The problem with people nowadays is that they keep seeing youths are bratty and too dramatic. For people who have social anxiety, the problem is very severe and could lead to mental breakdowns. Adults often shrug this off as some kid's problem and that it is nothing serious. When the youths become middle-aged people, this problem will have a huge influence on their way of thinking. That's when it's finally too late to even accept that it was severe in the first place. Whoa hold your horses a bit man. Don't worry I do share some of your sentiments but its time to realize its pointless to even bother. If your conclusion is that relationships is something like "high efforts, low returns" and it would be stupid to invest on it, its fine. Really. Remember Rumi arc season 1. 8man's hypothesis to Rumi was that you probably won't see (99%) your elementary friends anyway. That at best, you'd be able to maintain 2-3 relationships and that's it. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| A really great episode. I feel this season will definitely be the better one. Hachiman and Yukinon might just be changing for the better! :) I am glad the used the phrase "I want the real thing" Instead of "I want something genuine" Give a better feeling to it. |
RawrbertoMay 22, 2015 10:35 PM
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TyphoonS said: aina-kun said: they're basically talking about some joint school project that almost reaching its deadline, right? dramatic af You really didn't get anything dude. I suggest you watch the whole thing from the start once again. How can you not understand what the main problem was and why there were problems in the Service club? It is probably too deep for you to understand. You seriously think he was talking about the project thing in this episode? Seriously? No wonder you hate everyone in this series. It's cause you can't understand them. Yes, here we go again....2deep4u MALer mentality. Not everyone is going to be into an overly emotional melodrama about feelings which the characters themselves have a very hard time expressing. This has been done in literally every teen show ever. The reason some people don't like it is because of the execution of said drama. |
| Teacher best grill, ok, almost best grill because there's Iroha first. Anyway, pretty good episode, I really wanted them to go all out like that and now things look decent I guess. Need more Iroha tho |
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| the forced drama is strong in this one, i'd say that.. think i dunno what it feels like to be socially anxious 24/7, feeling awkward most of the time, and most of all being a creep and antisocial? i know what it feels like cause i am one. but idk everything seems forced ugh. maybe it's just not up to my taste, we all got our preference in anime too just like any other things but, you don't just simply say those who don't like this episode or this whole season like us not deep enough or with this/that kind of mindset, it's just the matter of how we accept the series and how we feel about it |
| Just explain why the drama feels forced to you. Buzzwords like 'teen angst' and 'overly emotional melodrama' won't clarify what you mean. I'll use an example to illustrate why I felt the drama in AnoHana was forced: If those who call out "forced drama" are willing to do the same, then others might be able to either clarify the interpersonal conflict for them for them, or otherwise confirm that it is indeed forced drama. |
| Tbh when Yui screamed at Hachiman to chase after Yukino, that was melodramatic. It felt forced and was something an overly emotional teenager would say. |
| and i hate the fact that everybody's treating hikki like garbage and then he still helplessly wanted to help every single horrible person living in that school. oh cmon there must be at least one damn person who could actually understand him as friend and accept him for who he was (inb4 as antisocial as him) the whole school should be burn |
TyphoonS said: aina-kun said: the forced drama is strong in this one, i'd say that.. think i dunno what it feels like to be socially anxious 24/7, feeling awkward most of the time, and most of all being a creep and antisocial? i know what it feels like cause i am one. but idk everything seems forced ugh. maybe it's just not up to my taste, we all got our preference in anime too just like any other things but, you don't just simply say those who don't like this episode or this whole season like us not deep enough or with this/that kind of mindset, it's just the matter of how we accept the series and how we feel about it I'm sorry but I do have to say that the mentality of ''Only girls cry , guys don't.'' is wrong. It may be forced to you, I can't argue with that. It is your opinion. However..It is the truth. There is a lot of deep stuff in this anime and if people can't see that..what am I supposed to say? I'm the honest type. I tell it as how I see it. There is nothing wrong with not being able to understand the deep stuff however there is something wrong with saying that there is nothing deep about this show. no, no. it's okay for guys to cry. i get that and hikki cried, that's okay. i just hate people surrounding him. in fact, tears of a man are the manly one cause that means they're strong and brave enough to show how they feel. guys prolly cry a lot too (i dont really sure) maybe they just dont show it (again, i dont really sure) |
aina-kun said: and i hate the fact that everybody's treating hikki like garbage and then he still helplessly wanted to help every single horrible person living in that school. oh cmon there must be at least one damn person who could actually understand him as friend and accept him for who he was (inb4 as antisocial as him) the whole school should be burn The fact anime guy with the glasses is his friend, so he has him at least. |
| "honmono ga hoshi" Dem feels when Hachiman sensei let his ideal go, When everyone's masks are off When the superficiality is broken, Yet human relationships are like a mythical drug, and you are consistently bound by it. It might be selfish and just for your self gratitude, but still, the idea of trying to understand others, trying to protect something, those are what makes us more human. Honestly, no highschool student will come this far. The story is better off in real social setting where everyone's grown up, although in the real world, no one will say these things out loud, superficiality or whatever. But, because it's in the setting of highschool, it's easier for the younger generation apply and try to understand + it sells well that way. Also, because of its "unrealism" (more like a metaphor), Hachiman is a worthy character for a story to be written about. Anyway, 10/10 epic. English speakers are at a disadvantage here doe. It's so much harder to understand with English subtitle, so much subtle nuisances are lost. English just doesn't flow well in anime like this. |
Gov said: aina-kun said: and i hate the fact that everybody's treating hikki like garbage and then he still helplessly wanted to help every single horrible person living in that school. oh cmon there must be at least one damn person who could actually understand him as friend and accept him for who he was (inb4 as antisocial as him) the whole school should be burn The fact anime guy with the glasses is his friend, so he has him at least. but hes like hypermania all the time, i dont think he understands hikki as a human being lol, but again, maybe thats just how he mask his feelings |
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