My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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May 22, 2015 5:19 AM
#151
Adm2008 said: No complaints instead i'm grateful to you for your time man, in fact, i read this article where was explained the relation of yukino and hachiman, i think both explain similar things about the characters, which shows that you are not wrong. I hope that you don't mind if i request your insights for the future chapters. ty for all again! Edit: i was on the phone and i didn't read the 2nd spoiler, now after read it, i'm definitely requesting you more insights man, was delight to read it!, i suggest to you to do a full review about the interactions of the characters on reddit if you by chance used it, you would get gold for sure. The only thing that would be a problem will be your example for illustrate some points, i mean, while are perfects, easy to understand, they may lead to unnecessary arguments like patriotism, i didn't had any problems with it, since it was a very good example, in fact was easy to understand your point with it, but you know, some people may react to it in a bad way. But it was a good reading honestly. Thank you so much for your time again! Not sure if you'll come back in this thread, but I wanted to thank you for taking your time to read. Not much people understand nor care enough to read/listen to things I say (I'm completely ignored by everyone here except you, even though the people posting afterward are still asking the same thing). As I have said, it comes from my personal experiences as well. This involves dealing being neglected and completely hated in some way or another. While I understand your sentiments about the examples I used (and I'm thankful you are showing your concern for me), this is something that I'm so used to that I don't care. We can't cater to everyone and some people will always be offended and angry at you. That is why, my post was aimed to solely make it easier for to you understand. I'm not willing to let some idiots who are not aware of their actions destroy the opportunity in which I can use to hold a discussion to you. I do have a Reddit account, but I'm not used to being the center of attention. Although I do wish more people would read what I have said instead of immediately skipping it and then bringing up points that I have already explained in later posts, this just won't happen. Times have been pretty bad, and I do very much despise how people treated me. Look at the page 3 discussion and you'll understand what I meant...it's just that I can use a whole lot of time to talk about these things but virtually no one bothers. I'm really thankful for your read though. Perhaps in the future you can send me private messages if you have anything you don't understand? I can try my best to analyze it, but I'm tired of doing it in public if people is going to ignore me again and again (not their fault, but it just seems like something mysterious is keeping people away from me. Even on the Internet, how is my presence so low that most of the time people don't notice I existed anyway?) |
May 22, 2015 5:21 AM
#152
molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. yeah, but i still want to see those chapters about the rumor of yukinoshita's dating hayato THE INFIRMARY SCENE!!!! THAT WAS THE BEST THING IN THE LN |
Erika___May 22, 2015 5:27 AM
May 22, 2015 5:30 AM
#153
I ship sensei and hachiman so hard XD In anime and in real life, Its just the same. Girls are hard to understand. U guys should know it :p Anyway, i think the show flows beautifully. Sure, it has flaw. Nothing perfect right? But, imo this anime is one of the best this year. Ohh, and i really shocked to see sensei's real car. Damn, how much salary does teacher in japan can get, lol. @samhiuy "even though the people posting afterward are still asking the same thing" This happens everywhere on internet. People just too lazy too read and analyze what happens and will bashing the show as fast as they can. |
ptrd-41May 22, 2015 5:38 AM
May 22, 2015 5:31 AM
#154
BiriBiri21 said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. yeah, but i still want to see those chapters about the rumor of yukinoshita's dating hayato THE INFIRMARY SCENE!!!! THAT WAS THE BEST THING IN THE LN It will still be rushed in just 3 episodes. I think it's better to adapt the bonus track in 2 episodes and make the other one anime original. |
May 22, 2015 5:32 AM
#155
Samhiuy said: Adm2008 said: No complaints instead i'm grateful to you for your time man, in fact, i read this article where was explained the relation of yukino and hachiman, i think both explain similar things about the characters, which shows that you are not wrong. I hope that you don't mind if i request your insights for the future chapters. ty for all again! Edit: i was on the phone and i didn't read the 2nd spoiler, now after read it, i'm definitely requesting you more insights man, was delight to read it!, i suggest to you to do a full review about the interactions of the characters on reddit if you by chance used it, you would get gold for sure. The only thing that would be a problem will be your example for illustrate some points, i mean, while are perfects, easy to understand, they may lead to unnecessary arguments like patriotism, i didn't had any problems with it, since it was a very good example, in fact was easy to understand your point with it, but you know, some people may react to it in a bad way. But it was a good reading honestly. Thank you so much for your time again! Not sure if you'll come back in this thread, but I wanted to thank you for taking your time to read. Not much people understand nor care enough to read/listen to things I say (I'm completely ignored by everyone here except you, even though the people posting afterward are still asking the same thing). As I have said, it comes from my personal experiences as well. This involves dealing being neglected and completely hated in some way or another. While I understand your sentiments about the examples I used (and I'm thankful you are showing your concern for me), this is something that I'm so used to that I don't care. We can't cater to everyone and some people will always be offended and angry at you. That is why, my post was aimed to solely make it easier for to you understand. I'm not willing to let some idiots who are not aware of their actions destroy the opportunity in which I can use to hold a discussion to you. I do have a Reddit account, but I'm not used to being the center of attention. Although I do wish more people would read what I have said instead of immediately skipping it and then bringing up points that I have already explained in later posts, this just won't happen. Times have been pretty bad, and I do very much despise how people treated me. Look at the page 3 discussion and you'll understand what I meant...it's just that I can use a whole lot of time to talk about these things but virtually no one bothers. I'm really thankful for your read though. Perhaps in the future you can send me private messages if you have anything you don't understand? I can try my best to analyze it, but I'm tired of doing it in public if people is going to ignore me again and again (not their fault, but it just seems like something mysterious is keeping people away from me. Even on the Internet, how is my presence so low that most of the time people don't notice I existed anyway?) Well, the fact that i am replying your comment right now meaning accepting your very own existence and your thought regarding these 3 character are so splendid so you should have not feel so low like that. |
SanzenMay 22, 2015 5:41 AM
May 22, 2015 5:42 AM
#156
Seiryuu2 said: Well, the fact that i am replying your comment right now meaning accepting your very own existence and your thought regarding these 3 character are so splendid so you should not feel so low like that. ^ This. I read your post as well. It was really well thought out and I just flat out enjoyed it. I didn't respond to it because I had nothing else to add. You and a few other posters can really make this show more enjoyable than it already is. Keep doing what you're doing. |
May 22, 2015 5:46 AM
#157
TheBuddahman said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. Thing is that we will miss plenty of scenes of character interactions after things with their relationships have settled down, which will be a shame kinda. Is there any place i can read/download for free the light novels? [series name] light novel press enter BiriBiri21 said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. yeah, but i still want to see those chapters about the rumor of yukinoshita's dating hayato THE INFIRMARY SCENE!!!! THAT WAS THE BEST THING IN THE LN The Nauseating reaction would probably look like his crying face xD |
May 22, 2015 5:47 AM
#158
Wow..... I don't understand why Yukinon don't understand what Hiki is trying to make her understand though Yui said she understood though she said later that she did not understand what Hiki is trying to make them understand...... Fuck. Anyway.. I WANT TO MARRY SENSEi..!!!!!! |
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May 22, 2015 5:49 AM
#159
May 22, 2015 5:55 AM
#160
Imaishi said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 yukino x hayama, what? that hurt can you spoil it for me please? MISUNDERSTANDING that's all |
May 22, 2015 6:01 AM
#161
Hachiman and Yukino, while they have completely different ideal, they do not have ability to understand relationship with their true emotion. Hachiman finally decide on the last, final decision that he can think as logically, self-deceptive as he can - which is asking for help from the position outside of the service club. This is the only way, he can express his thoughts. Yukino, however, refuses. She cannot accept this empty, superficial, shaky relationship that is tying them together. By answering Hachiman's question, she cuts the final string that was being held - by the hand of Hachiman. Then, Hachiman accepts it. With this, Hachiman and Yukino's relationship is over. The end. However, are they really accepting it emotionally? Yui cannot understand them, because she doesn't think with logics, but emotional way. For the first time, she goes against Yukino. Yukino fights back. Hachiman is a liar - he was deceiving his own emotion for the sake of superficial relationship Yukino is a liar - she never expressed the reason for conflict Yui is a liar - she hid her true emotion just to tie service club together All of them knew their relationship was collapsing. Yui AND Hachiman however merely acknowledge the situation and decide to hide under the shelter that Yukino despise the most. At the end, Yukino does exactly same thing as what those two did. If they didn't lie, if they talked each other and share their thoughts, will that answer the question? Hachiman says 'No'. Hachiman would always try to find out the dark side, the true intention behind the conversation - deceiving himself as always. Answer - there is something no-one can understand, that is emotion of other people. Then what is something that he wants? Does he want relationship? - No Does he want friend he can talk to? - No He merely wants something he does not need to fake, something that he does not have to doubt, something that he does not have to understand., something that he does not have to hate. What he wants is a fantasy, the dream that can never be true. However, its something that he cannot give up. "I want something REAL" Yukino does not understand Hachiman's intention and confused - she escapes; still refusing to accept the superficial relationship. Yui also does not know what it is - but she is strong enough to confront it directly. Hachiman also does not know what "Real" thing is, because it is something he never experienced. However, Yui gives him belief that what he said is a right choice and decides to chase Yukino. Service club meets again. Will their relationship be same as before? It was collapsing, and now completely broken down to start point. However, they can now build it again; with something that they do not have to fake, doubt and deceive... ...something that is real. |
KitchiriMay 22, 2015 6:05 AM
May 22, 2015 6:02 AM
#162
Samhiuy said: Not sure if you'll come back in this thread, but I wanted to thank you for taking your time to read. Not much people understand nor care enough to read/listen to things I say (I'm completely ignored by everyone here except you, even though the people posting afterward are still asking the same thing). As I have said, it comes from my personal experiences as well. This involves dealing being neglected and completely hated in some way or another. While I understand your sentiments about the examples I used (and I'm thankful you are showing your concern for me), this is something that I'm so used to that I don't care. We can't cater to everyone and some people will always be offended and angry at you. That is why, my post was aimed to solely make it easier for to you understand. I'm not willing to let some idiots who are not aware of their actions destroy the opportunity in which I can use to hold a discussion to you. I do have a Reddit account, but I'm not used to being the center of attention. Although I do wish more people would read what I have said instead of immediately skipping it and then bringing up points that I have already explained in later posts, this just won't happen. Times have been pretty bad, and I do very much despise how people treated me. Look at the page 3 discussion and you'll understand what I meant...it's just that I can use a whole lot of time to talk about these things but virtually no one bothers. I'm really thankful for your read though. Perhaps in the future you can send me private messages if you have anything you don't understand? I can try my best to analyze it, but I'm tired of doing it in public if people is going to ignore me again and again (not their fault, but it just seems like something mysterious is keeping people away from me. Even on the Internet, how is my presence so low that most of the time people don't notice I existed anyway?) Wow! You really shouldn't feel that way. Just like what Seiryuu2 and Nudebear above me said. I read your other post in the previous episode thread (which was rather long yet I didn't go tl;dr mode because the content was excellent from the first few lines) and I know many did as well. Some will ask the same question without even reading the previous posts (I do that often too). You can think of it as someone who was so excited after watching an episode and they really wanted to write something, or just type away what was on their mind. People eventually come back to read later, but at that point the excitement dies down a bit and they simply don't bother to reply or make further comments. It's a natural way for many people. I could easily show you 20 forums for technical discussion where hundreds of people start a new thread just to ask the same question that was answered in ten other discussion threads in the same forum; if you see that you'd probably think MyAnimeList isn't a dreadful place after all! |
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May 22, 2015 6:02 AM
#163
I guess, indeed, searching for something genuine explains Hachiman's actions thus far. A touching episode. Sensei was cute as well. |
May 22, 2015 6:07 AM
#164
Sensei flag raised. Dem manly tears... somehow I'm reminded of this. Kinda expected that he'll go back to the club to request for their assistance. That was some soul searching right there though. |
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May 22, 2015 6:10 AM
#165
Oops forgot to tell what I think about the episode. 5/5. Hachiman breaking down was really well portrayed. Even in novel, Yukino is hella hard to understand, but it is not because of her - it is more because of Hachiman never answering her straight forwardly (AND novel is 1st person narrative + quite deceiving due to Hachiman's personality). That made Yukino to give up understanding at certain point (which is actually portrayed in the animation as well). Yui is hella easy to understand though, but it doesn't necessarily mean she did not contribute to the conflict. |
May 22, 2015 6:11 AM
#166
I just wanna appreciate Hikigaya's crying face. Genuine. |
May 22, 2015 6:17 AM
#168
potatohun said: I just wanna appreciate Hikigaya's crying face. Genuine. Genuine laughing material |
May 22, 2015 6:18 AM
#169
Hold up. How can Sensei afford an Aston Martin? Anyway, I'd marry her already. Jesus Christ, she's the best woman. The smoking part can be cut off, though. :P And Batman finally said it. He finally finally said it! He added in some tears with the package, too! I wasn't expecting him to admit that everything he has done was wrong, though. Does this mean he's gonna give his cursed ability? |
May 22, 2015 6:20 AM
#170
molassus said: TheBuddahman said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. Thing is that we will miss plenty of scenes of character interactions after things with their relationships have settled down, which will be a shame kinda. Is there any place i can read/download for free the light novels? [series name] light novel press enterD If i could find the english translation up till volume 10 that way i wouldnt bother asking someone in the first place. |
May 22, 2015 6:22 AM
#171
i can a bit understand why people cant understand yukino this is my thought and im not being racist: most asian girl are shy and they dont really 'open up' they dont tell how they feel straight forwardly like western and i am not even sure that what they feel and what they think is the same it is really hard to explain.... for example i have a cousin girl who is 14 and she doesnt speak to me for like 4 months now, all i know from her mother was i did sth that make her angry, i ask her mom what i did she dont know either, my cousin never tell me what i did and didnt tell her mom either, it is very confusing, because when there are guest at the house she speak to me normally but when the guest left she turn silence again yeah to sum up asian women are hard to understand, but that is what make them cute. great episode so much feel 5/5 yukino best girl :P |
na358999May 22, 2015 6:31 AM
May 22, 2015 6:27 AM
#172
This alone makes it a 10/5. Best episode so far. I disliked absolutely nothing with it. |
May 22, 2015 6:28 AM
#173
TheBuddahman said: molassus said: TheBuddahman said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. Thing is that we will miss plenty of scenes of character interactions after things with their relationships have settled down, which will be a shame kinda. Is there any place i can read/download for free the light novels? [series name] light novel press enterD If i could find the english translation up till volume 10 that way i wouldnt bother asking someone in the first place. It's not that hard tho. [insert series name] + light novel the results are there. |
May 22, 2015 6:31 AM
#174
TheBuddahman said: molassus said: TheBuddahman said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. Thing is that we will miss plenty of scenes of character interactions after things with their relationships have settled down, which will be a shame kinda. Is there any place i can read/download for free the light novels? [series name] light novel press enterD If i could find the english translation up till volume 10 that way i wouldnt bother asking someone in the first place. up till 10? try google "oregairu fan translation" i think it's from Kyakka, and baka-tsuki also have link to their website in regards of volume 10. little help for you, if you're looking for a LN translation, baka-tsuki is a nice place to dig in |
May 22, 2015 6:32 AM
#175
Confucius said: Yukino when she attacked Yui for "playing dirty". Wrong traslation i think. |
May 22, 2015 6:38 AM
#176
That scene of 8man and Hiratsuka sensei was so good. And 8man finally manages to convey some of his honest feelings to the other Service Club members. |
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May 22, 2015 6:50 AM
#177
Loved Hikigaya and Shizuka-sensei's conversation, particularly when he delivered that smooth line and made her blush. All men indeed have shit taste. I'd marry her in a heartbeat! Even though Saika will always be first, at times I really think sensei is best girl. Many people may not agree with me, but she and Hikigaya would make a good couple, even now. Hikigaya's monologues are usually great, but this time they were exceptional. Finally he thought everything through from the start and figured what he really wanted. Dem tears though.. Not sure what to think of Yukino running away to the rooftop, but I guess she couldn't help it after seeing Hikigaya like that. Yui patched it up neatly though. She's so precious! >.< Wonder if Iroha overheard them or just arrived right before they went out. I think she can probably guess a bit of what happened. Great episode and probably the best of Oregairu so far. Looks like a lot of Shizuka screentime next week so looking forward to it. |
May 22, 2015 7:00 AM
#178
That was actually a great episode overall. His interaction with his teacher was nice. What surprised me most was 8man crying at the end. Good stuff. Let's see how they fix the event for Christmas. |
May 22, 2015 7:00 AM
#179
Samhiuy said: Adm2008 said: So could someone explain to me the conversation between Hachiman, Yui and Yukino?, i mean, i understand what Hachiman is trying to do, but what i don't understand is the reaction of Yukino at all, also i don't understand the little argument of both girls, when Yukino something like "you have fallen low" (sorry if its not correct since im watching this from Jap>Eng>Esp so maybe has a mistake), and the final reaction of Yukino. To be honest, I don't remember the exact details from the light novel (and I really don't want to go back just to analyze it to give an explanation). Therefore, I'm going to speak from my experiences and perspective. If you disagree because the LN's intentions are different or your interpretation is different, then that's fine too. I just wanted to say what I believed is true on the matter. Here is how I interpret the 3 different characters. First of all, let's talk about Yukino.(There might be spoilers for future plot points because I can't really remember) She is someone who lives in the shadow of her sister and has an inferiority complex in regards to that. No matter what she does, she doesn't believe herself to be outstanding as people in the school expected her to be. This is because she lacks that charismatic social skills that Haruno has, leading to her own family judging her and comparing her with her sister. Now try and put yourself in her shoes. How would you feel if you are constantly told that your personality is "wrong" and that you should be another person? The stress and expectations led to her wanting to surpass her sister and do what she has never done before (like being the Student Council President). She wanted to be herself - a recluse who would prefer reading over partying and developing relations with a bunch of strangers. So what happens if you are not understood all these years? Hachiman gave up on being understood, but that's not the case for Yukino. She tells Hachiman that it is his responsibility because he was the one at fault right? That's a defensive response to Hachiman blaming himself. Yukino wants to be relied on, she wants someone that can ask her for help. Why? When you are feeling inferior, and think that everything you do is not as good as someone, wouldn't you desire someone to rely on you too? She wants Hachiman to say it is their responsibility, and not his own. She did say that "If you guys insisted, I'll help..." which further supports the idea that she does want to be relied on. It shows that she desires to and NOT desire to help at the same time. To understand this, you have to accept the fact that people are contradictory. While she wants to be relied, she also feels that she is not up to job, plus the job is annoying because it involves Isshiki Iroha. As you can see, both her feelings towards her friends/love interest and her complex causes her to want to help, yet not want to help at the same time. I assume it is more complex than what is shown on the surface. It has to link with her feelings for Hachiman as well. As we can see last time, she got really angry at Hachiman doing a social suicide for Tobe. She also said "I thought you would understand" to Hachiman when he called off the need to run for the Presidential Election. She had placed hope on Hachiman. When I said she wanted someone rely on her, it feels like I'm saying she wants to help others right? That's wrong. She wants to be helped. She wanted someone to understand her complex, wanted someone to pull her out of the hole of "I can't reach the heights my sister did", she wanted someone by her side. But she didn't get that. That's why she doesn't understand Hachiman. Just like how Hachiman was disappointed in Yukino when he found out she was in the car that hit him, Yukino was disappointed in Hachiman for not understanding her. In both of these cases, they are disappointed because their own ideal perspective of each other has been shattered. "What exactly does he wants? What is genuine?" - She doesn't understand because she doesn't have the answer too. The relationship between the 3 has been quite stale lately and there was gap between them. Hachiman shatters her ideal perspective of him, so she begins to question what exactly Hachiman desires. This is the growth that the teacher is talking about. If you don't hurt each other, you won't be able to understand anything (wait, did she say that? Whatever, this is what I think anyway). Yukino cannot see Hachiman's thoughts NOR the events he went through without her. To her, him asking for help and wanting something genuine after helping in maintaining the superficial relationship between Tobe and Ebina (and their friends) is something "alien". He suddenly became someone she no longer understand. She runs away not because she doesn't want to understand Hachiman, but she wants to calm down because she doesn't know what to do herself. Next is Yui - she is very very easy to understand. The argument that have is due to the difference in personality. Yui is like your typical teenager, one who has joined a social circle and is very outgoing. Because of that, Yui is easily influenced by the social responses and conforms to the "standard" way of thinking. Let's start looking at ourselves in 3rd person, as well as other people. The Internet is the worst place for social relationships because everything ugly comes out. Yui reprimanded Yukino for being way too harsh on Hachiman, and being unfair to him. Yukino responded saying that she is just someone going along with the mood and that her actions are unfair too. Alright, let's look at the society. Patriotism, negative cohesion, cognitive dissonance and so on...are things are common in our society. Have you heard of these terms before? Allow me to explain, patriotism occurs when a lot of people started supporting their own country blindly - in other words, it is nationalism. Why does it happen? I don't want you think whether it is right or wrong to love your country. Look at it in 3rd person instead of your own viewpoint. We'll be looking at the cause of it. People are easily influenced by the mass. This is what we called cognitive dissonance. Taking America for example, we can see that the citizens love their country and do not see anything wrong with doing so. Let's imagine yourself as an American citizen (if you aren't). You live a plain life and have never involved yourself with any nationalistic movement. You don't hate your country nor do you love your country. However, your family and friends think you are insane for being so indifferent. So what happens? You have two conflicting ideals that can't exist at the same - one is you being indifferent to America as a country, and the other is that you love America. Wait, hold on!! How did you suddenly come to love America? That is because your friends and family are causing you discomfort by constantly telling you that you are wrong and mistaken. People think you are insane and sooner or later, you started thinking the same. You ask yourself "Am I right? Or are they right? Which side should I choose?". Different people have different reactions, but Yui is one that would conform. Yui does not desire conflict, so she would choose to side with others rather than herself. Therefore, Yui will desire to accept that America is the best rather than continue being hated on by others. If you are Yui, would you react the same? That's another question. In short, cognitive dissonance is when you try to eliminate one belief to hold another, so to make yourself feel better AKA conforming to what others expect of you. This is the opposite of Yukino. Yukino wants to be understood, but not on the same level as Yui. She does not mind conflict and in fact would keep people away from her if she thinks they are too troublesome. Yui wants to be a part of something, while Yukino wants a part of something. Wanting to be a part of and wanting the part itself is something different. To be a part of, you need to change yourself to suit their needs. To want a part, you want the part to change to suit your needs. So while they both want to be understood, they are both drastically different from one another. Lastly, negative cohesion is bonding by hate. This is a famous term used whenever Hitler's name comes up. You have a common enemy, and you bond together as a result of that. In social media, we can see a lot of hate when it comes to controversial subjects. Let's take Robert Downey Jr.'s interview with Krishnan. What happened there? Well, Robert has quite a difficult past before (did drugs) and Krishnan touched upon the topic despite the interview being PURELY for advertising the new Avengers movie. So what would be the natural response? Obviously getting angry at Krishnan and telling him to kill himself or get fired. Let's take a look at this in 3rd person again. It isn't about whether Krishnan did the right thing or wrong thing, it is about the reaction of the society. Due to the immense popularity of Robert Downey Jr. (due to his role as Iron Man and his personality), people will obviously support him over others. The hate evolves into something more sinister and people keep hating Krishnan. The hate influences others and gathers more people to the hate circle. Then, what do we get? We get something worst than the interview done by Krishnan. We have people calling him retarded, sh***y, bastard, asshole and all sorts of stuff. We have people who wish he will die and lose his job, family and everything he has ever got in his whole life. What do you prefer? People bonding together to attack ONE man or the man for ruining the interview and asking inappropriate questions? I'm sure the answer will be, both are equally bad. Yui is someone that is someone like that. She would side with the popular opinion, side with what is considered "justice". To the people (even if they are not supporters of Robert Downey Jr.) the amount of spotlight put on that man is way more than that of a mere interviewer like Krishnan. They would follow the "standard" and side with what is right. Krishnan hurt Robert first, so he is wrong - that is the mentality they follow. Yui did this to Yukino. Yukino hurt Hachiman first by refusing to accept his demand (because of her own feelings). Yui obviously chose to side with the "righteous" side - which is Hachiman. She doesn't want people hurt, so she would defend the person who got hurt first. She didn't bother understanding Yukino's feelings on the matter and why she responded like that. Hence, we have Yukino saying she just follows the mood - because Yui chose what average and typical people would do instead of trying to understand her own friends. This is just the surface. This is the basis of her personality, but does not necessarily reflect her understanding of her others. In fact, the 3 of them do understand each other to a degree, but there is another thing I have to say. People often think that "to understand" is "to agree". We can see this in arguments frequently. When someone disagrees with us, we often reply saying "you seriously don't understand my points" or something similar to that (depending on your personality, you might just ignore the person). This isn't true, and there are lots of times people understand how we feel, but don't agree with how do things. That is the actual part they "don't understand". What people actually "don't understand" is the difference in the way they do things. The difference in ideology and personality often leads to this. Hence we get people saying "I understand how you feel...but I don't think it is right to do that" and we respond with "This just means you don't understand me at all". This is something we all have to understand - that "true understanding" all depends on perspective. There is no such thing as a complete understanding of each other due to how different people are. Rather than say that "we don't understand", we should just acknowledge that there is a difference between us. The difference is not that we don't understand, but that we just have a different way of dealing with things. All in all, the root of the problem is that they all don't understand each other. If you want me to delve deeper (which means I'll have to include Hachiman's side of the story), I would need to explain the interactions between all 3 of them as well as their interactions with people outside of the club. These kind of stuff are not easy to understand, and a lot of people think that those who do are retarded show offs who act like they know better than everyone. They then gather a circle and proceed to deliver social justice by continuously insulting the person who they disagree with (which you can see here in MAL and literally everywhere in the world). Therefore, I don't expect people to understand my post completely. As I have said, this comes from my experience as well (not just facts from the Anime or the Light Novel). Some might call me a "smartass", "faggot", "stupid troll" and so on. I have been insulted again and again until I think that it's pointless to get people to understand. However, if my post manages to help you, then it would make me happy as well. My knowledge on psychology/sociology is very little, but I do intend to choose sociology as my course in University. I'm saying this before someone thinks I act like I know it all. I already acknowledged that I can not hold my interpretation and ideas as credible as I would like to. P.S. I'm pessimistic, I know. Also, this REALLY is just he surface of things. I have written so many paragraphs, but it's not enough to explain their entire characters. That's why it'll be difficult if someone replies with something that has do with a different event. Explaining how they act in each single situation is going to take ages because each situation has its circumstances. Selfishness, bitterness, pathetic, useless or whatever terms you like to describe the characters has nothing to do with my post. Understanding the basis of the characters does not equal to labeling the characters. At least be conscious of this if anyone replies trying to induce hate. You can disagree, but don't go into name labeling and telling people that they are faggots. Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading what you had to say about the characters. The episode was perfect,by the way. |
May 22, 2015 7:05 AM
#180
Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. |
Minori Kushieda Forever <3 |
May 22, 2015 7:10 AM
#181
This is the best episode in this anime until now, this is the episode i had wait for a long time, actually, if people dont make season 2 i would love season 1, but when season 2 came out, i just can't wait episode, i dont like the previous style in ss1, it is cute and soft but i want the feel is real and mature and ss 2 finally did that I want the story and the characters show serious and not childish like ss1. And 8man finally had cry, he was show like a real man that he can't be cold forever, he has a warm heart and want sentimental fell just like many good guys out there. omg this is the best scene until now, i can see the real emotion, and Feel studio did really good, but this is not only reason wwhy i love this episode so much, Shizuka Hiratsuka was so beautiful, most in when she was shy, omg, when i saw that scene i just thougt she is the most beautiful female character in this anime, i just can't stop scream, she is so fucking hot and beautiful, i love this episode so much. This is definitely the best anime in this spring 2015 i ever seen. Can't wait last 5 episodes. |
NikodeadMay 22, 2015 7:17 AM
May 22, 2015 7:11 AM
#182
Great episode and truly an emotional one too. I couldn't help but constantly be thinking of these "What if" scenarios that really got me on the edge of my seat. How breaking down, or running away just isn't that far from being genuine, in fact, those are probably still considered quite genuine. But to be truly genuine, to connect the most to our important ones and leaving the least regrets, it almost seems like it is a pipe dream. Like how when Hikki's hand left Yui's reach, Yui was on the verge to break. The mention of their "Now or Never" moment was for everyone; just how individually they were really weak, but Yui pushed Hikki enough to then reach out back to her. To live the present to its fullest, and how some actions are limited to a specific time frame. It was just great to see especially Hikki and Yukino being able to cry like that. Being able to cry in front of others, or even being able to cry to ourselves just isn't all that easy. |
May 22, 2015 7:14 AM
#183
Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. |
May 22, 2015 7:23 AM
#184
Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Gov said: Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. Well fist of all, You should just probably drop your shipping goggles and just enjoy the series for what it's worth. Being blinded by your hate on a single character will prevent you from trying to understand said character. Better watch the series in an Objective View point to actually have a better understanding of the characters. |
May 22, 2015 7:26 AM
#185
Gov said: Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. I don't see how Yukino x Hachiman would be any more forced than Yui x Hachiman. He doesn't seem to be interested in any of them tbh. The only characters he complimented in such a way are Shizuka sensei and Totsuka. Neither of them seems likely to happen though. (Too bad. Shizuka is just so much more interesting than any other character in oregairu ;( ) |
May 22, 2015 7:27 AM
#186
This whole episode was just amazing to me. Hachiman questioning himself then then cries is something genuine in my eyes. That's Batman he never cries unless it's real. Yui and Yukinon were both confused, but I can tell that Yukinon's shell is wearing off. She wants to keep it on, but in the end, it is falling off. Yui definitely keeps the "genuine" group together. Why is Iroha in the Service Club Room in the OP? And Hayama's group can never be like this group. This group is genuiune as it can be! And I saw someone say something about a YukinonxHayama? Lame. Imho, that can never happen seeing how superficial Hayama is and Yukinon despising superficial things. |
May 22, 2015 7:33 AM
#187
This episode was simply amazing ! I'm still under the impression............... |
May 22, 2015 7:39 AM
#188
It was nice when Yui called out Yukino and herself for doing nothing while Hachiman tried to solve the problems. Yukino refused to help Hachiman because she was still angry about the student council issue. Trying to abdicate any responsibility. Yui is surprisingly good at analyzing people like Hachiman. She was able to tell that yukino had one track mind when it came to doing something. And that if she joined the student council she would put everything in to that. Also she is able to read Hachiman. |
May 22, 2015 7:46 AM
#189
Imaishi said: Gov said: Winterluffy said: Is anyone else getting that forced romance feel from this. Like Yukino will come outta nowhere in the end of season 2 with no buildup to become Hachimans girlfriend :(. While the ones the anime actually portrays as future couples will be left behind. YuixHachiman yes I'm judging this solely on the anime. Not going to happen. They can barely talk to each other, let alone be a couple. They also don't complement each other like Hachiman and Yui do. I can see Yui and Hachiman beng a couple in the third season but that is jut me speculating. Overall good episode. I don't see how Yukino x Hachiman would be any more forced than Yui x Hachiman. He doesn't seem to be interested in any of them tbh. The only characters he complimented in such a way are Shizuka sensei and Totsuka. Neither of them seems likely to happen though. (Too bad. Shizuka is just so much more interesting than any other character in oregairu ;( ) I think that will end up being the point. Both of them can't be in a relationship how they're now or how they were before Shizuka intervened. This story is more about a lot of these characters growing and coming out of their shell.This season is still midway in the novel. They still have a lot of growing to do before they can be in any relationship which is why you won't see a romantic relationship until probably the end of the novel. Its still hard enough for them to be in a friendship so they definitely have more work to do. Reminds me of real life relationships where someone wants somebody else to solve their problems but you have to solve your own problems. So those relationships never work out. |
May 22, 2015 7:47 AM
#190
Dragon_Slayer_X said: BiriBiri21 said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. yeah, but i still want to see those chapters about the rumor of yukinoshita's dating hayato THE INFIRMARY SCENE!!!! THAT WAS THE BEST THING IN THE LN It will still be rushed in just 3 episodes. I think it's better to adapt the bonus track in 2 episodes and make the other one anime original. What infirmary scene? |
May 22, 2015 7:51 AM
#191
xsilicon9 said: What infirmary scene? LN spoilers........better wait for it or read it yourself. |
May 22, 2015 8:01 AM
#192
...I can't stop all my FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELS |
May 22, 2015 8:03 AM
#193
Samhiuy said: Adm2008 said: No complaints instead i'm grateful to you for your time man, in fact, i read this article where was explained the relation of yukino and hachiman, i think both explain similar things about the characters, which shows that you are not wrong. I hope that you don't mind if i request your insights for the future chapters. ty for all again! Edit: i was on the phone and i didn't read the 2nd spoiler, now after read it, i'm definitely requesting you more insights man, was delight to read it!, i suggest to you to do a full review about the interactions of the characters on reddit if you by chance used it, you would get gold for sure. The only thing that would be a problem will be your example for illustrate some points, i mean, while are perfects, easy to understand, they may lead to unnecessary arguments like patriotism, i didn't had any problems with it, since it was a very good example, in fact was easy to understand your point with it, but you know, some people may react to it in a bad way. But it was a good reading honestly. Thank you so much for your time again! Not sure if you'll come back in this thread, but I wanted to thank you for taking your time to read. Not much people understand nor care enough to read/listen to things I say (I'm completely ignored by everyone here except you, even though the people posting afterward are still asking the same thing). As I have said, it comes from my personal experiences as well. This involves dealing being neglected and completely hated in some way or another. While I understand your sentiments about the examples I used (and I'm thankful you are showing your concern for me), this is something that I'm so used to that I don't care. We can't cater to everyone and some people will always be offended and angry at you. That is why, my post was aimed to solely make it easier for to you understand. I'm not willing to let some idiots who are not aware of their actions destroy the opportunity in which I can use to hold a discussion to you. I do have a Reddit account, but I'm not used to being the center of attention. Although I do wish more people would read what I have said instead of immediately skipping it and then bringing up points that I have already explained in later posts, this just won't happen. Times have been pretty bad, and I do very much despise how people treated me. Look at the page 3 discussion and you'll understand what I meant...it's just that I can use a whole lot of time to talk about these things but virtually no one bothers. I'm really thankful for your read though. Perhaps in the future you can send me private messages if you have anything you don't understand? I can try my best to analyze it, but I'm tired of doing it in public if people is going to ignore me again and again (not their fault, but it just seems like something mysterious is keeping people away from me. Even on the Internet, how is my presence so low that most of the time people don't notice I existed anyway?) No man look again, there are are people that not only acknowledge your existence, also enjoyed your post as well, look the comments of Seiryuu2 Nudebear WolfWoods, and i bet that are more ppl that also read it and just had nothing else to say because it was an splendid post and there is nothing else to add. Did you ever considered that somehow you are in the same spot than Hachiman? because of some bad experiences now you seem to used to them? and you also aware that that is changing?, do the same, don't let that happen anymore man.but again i'm gonna fight against your pessimism: we want more reviews, we want to listen what you say, and no, i'm not going to send you PM, instead i'm going to request that you come here, to the forum, and give your insights, because as me, ppl like to read them, and i have no right to keep them to myself. Looking forward for your review of the next episode, and i'm will not take a no from you. |
May 22, 2015 8:04 AM
#194
TheBuddahman said: Best episode of the series up till now and also the most confusing one. I got these questions for anyone who has taken a deeper look in the series, especially the LN-readers, no spoilers please though: -First and foremost, what did Yukino mean by Yui not playing fair? -Hachiman said something among the lines that up till then he had been helping people just so that he could study them. However, no person without a true desire to help others would have gone to the lengths he has in plenty of occasions up till now, so how true is this statement anyway? -Why did Yukino actually run away? (if it will be later in the series explained just say so and refrain from spoiling) -Also, why did she initially refuse to help him? It seems that something was going on bellow the surface during the whole thing since she owes him multiple times that by the end of the day. -I heard some people bringing up the fact that the anime-only people will have a harder time understanding Yukino. Could it be because the new animation studio slightly changed her character besides her appearance, cause that seems to be the case for me. Besides that, what info do we get from the novel up till this point that the anime didnt include? -It is obvious that Yukino cares about Yui and Hikki. When both of them ran after her and Yui cried and hugged Yukino, it affected Yukino too. That is why she said that Yui is not playing fair. -What makes you sure that no one without a true desire to help would go that far to help others? Maybe Hachiman is just that type of a person. He wants to understand so he helps. He wants to know how people work. He wants to study them. What better way other than to be near them and help them in order to know their actions and feelings? Yes, he can look from the sidelines but that does not give the same experience as being with them and seeing what they do. However..this does not mean what I am saying is right. It just means that this is what I understand. -It's because Yukino didn't understand. Hachiman just said ''I want something genuine''..Remember..only us viewers are able to hear his internal monologues..they can't read minds..just like any other human being. That is why both Yui and Yuki said that they don't understand. However..Yukino due to her inferiority complex probably thinks that there is something wrong with her and that is why she can't understand. She probably couldn't stand that and that is why she ran out. Yui however was strong enough to accept that even if they don't understand right now..they don't have to. They can always understand later. They can spend more time with him and get closer to him. Again..this is what I understood. -Yukino initially refused because Hachiman said that this was all HIS fault..once again..he didn't consider the club. Yukinon was upset by this. She got hurt because he didn't think of it as the club's fault but his. He didn't think that they were all in this together. Once again..he keeps thinking that he is alone. -The anime only watchers have a harder time probably because Yukinon isn't given a lot of screen time. You don't get to see how Hachiman thinks of her through his internal monologues either. Well..this is all I can say for now. Hope you understood something. |
TyphoonSMay 22, 2015 8:07 AM
May 22, 2015 8:07 AM
#195
xsilicon9 said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: BiriBiri21 said: molassus said: BiriBiri21 said: do you think the anime will cover volume 10 too? i mean all the chapters, i kinda want to see yukinoshitax hayama thing in the anime too :3 Vol.9 ends with a good closure. They won't have any time adapting Vol.10 unless they rush the hell out of it. They didn't really have any interactions AFAIK the Yukinox8man scene was bretty gud though. yeah, but i still want to see those chapters about the rumor of yukinoshita's dating hayato THE INFIRMARY SCENE!!!! THAT WAS THE BEST THING IN THE LN It will still be rushed in just 3 episodes. I think it's better to adapt the bonus track in 2 episodes and make the other one anime original. What infirmary scene? Volume 10, Chapter 7. Last half or so. |
May 22, 2015 8:10 AM
#196
Just wow... awesome episode. them feels. The girls' impression when 8man was about to cry, Oh my god. I absolutely didn't expect Hachiman to cry. I was really close to break down in tears as he said what he really wanted, a true relationship. To be understood, to understand the others, to get along with his friends. And well, the rest... the girls embrace, they cry, that was wonderfully done. It wasn't a good moment for Isshiki's appearence, although I started to like her, she's not a bad character after all. Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. |
If Evangelion were Rokka no Yuusha the seventh would be Shinji. |
May 22, 2015 8:15 AM
#197
isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. |
May 22, 2015 8:20 AM
#198
appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. |
May 22, 2015 8:24 AM
#199
NudeBear said: appu1232 said: isvak said: Am I the only one who thinks that 8man won't end up with either Yui or Yukino? I guess he only sees them as friends. Him ending up alone is a very plausible bittersweet ending and it makes so much sense that I wouldn't be surprised. I -understand- that he not ending up in a relationship makes sense, but alone? I don't think so. Hachiman finally admitted that he doesn't want to be alone, he wants a relationship. Whether its romantic, friendship, or companionship; he wants something genuine. He's not going to hide behind the whole "I'm a loner and I like being alone" facade anymore. He's changing. that's exactly what I was going to say. He will end with friends, being a social person -that I hope-, but I don't see him with any of the girls (although I'd love to see him with Iroha or Yui haha) |
If Evangelion were Rokka no Yuusha the seventh would be Shinji. |
May 22, 2015 8:43 AM
#200
The feels are friggen killing me. Its amazing how much impact the act of opening a door or taking a seat can give. The hesitation when 8man is opening the door, FEELS. Yukino and Yui's faces when 8man sat in front of them, FEELS. 8man says "But-" in a choked up voice and Yukino and Yui look up at him, FEELS. 8man's teary face, ULTRA FEELS. Yui: "Its now or never!" MEGA FEELS. 8man takes his hand away from Yui, "I can walk on my own." MEGA ULTRA CHICKEN FEELS. Yukino and Yui start crying, DONE FRIGGEN DONE What a splended adaption of the LN, good show. Ya done good. |
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