Zankyou no Terror Episode 7 Discussion

Unlucky-kat said:
I wouldn't be surprised if governments really did plot terrorist attacks and blames it on a terrorist group. At least certain governments...

GSupernova said:
What the hell happened to this series?

How can someone honestly believe they'd be able to get away with demanding a control tower pilot an unmanned plane with a bomb on it underneath an airplane terminal and somehow walk away without getting the death penalty? Why is Shibazaki concerned with Sphinx getting away when he just averted the biggest terrorist attack on Japan period and the culprit is right in front of him? Why is no one arresting this chick? Because she's FBI? I doubt the FBI has any interest in catching two teenagers than they do of backing a psychotic criminal who just attempted to bomb an airport terminal. She would be on a plane back to Guantanamo so fast she wouldn't have any time to creepily molest a schoolgirl's I.D. card.

I had such high hopes but I'd much rather watch Akame than something trying to play itself so straight yet being so incredulously ridiculous. RIP this series.

GSupernova said:
What the hell happened to this series?

How can someone honestly believe they'd be able to get away with demanding a control tower pilot an unmanned plane with a bomb on it underneath an airplane terminal and somehow walk away without getting the death penalty? Why is Shibazaki concerned with Sphinx getting away when he just averted the biggest terrorist attack on Japan period and the culprit is right in front of him? Why is no one arresting this chick? Because she's FBI? I doubt the FBI has any interest in catching two teenagers than they do of backing a psychotic criminal who just attempted to bomb an airport terminal. She would be on a plane back to Guantanamo so fast she wouldn't have any time to creepily molest a schoolgirl's I.D. card.

I had such high hopes but I'd much rather watch Akame than something trying to play itself so straight yet being so incredulously ridiculous. RIP this series.

SkyJW said:


1. Judging by the reactions of everyone in the control tower when the bomb exploded, I don't think that any of the air traffic controllers realized what was going on with that particular plane. I'd assume that a bunch of people informed about a bomb being detonated on a particular plane wouldn't freak the fuck out when said bomb detonated on said plane. Sort of like how the guy responsible for projecting the images on the monitors was simply told to project the chess moves without knowing what they were.

2. Maybe he wanted to get ahold of Sphinx because, while they weren't responsible for the plane bombing, they were responsible for other bombings, the leaking of restricted police case files, and the theft of plutonium (which Shibazaki has made clear is a raw nerve for him as a second generation atomic bombing survivor)? It's not like their past transgressions are instantly wiped away just because another individual almost killed thousands of people.

3. This seems to be a common complaint and I don't think the people who complain about it realize how much power is given to people that have government permission. Five didn't just pop in unannounced so that she could set off bombs and potentially kill a bunch of people - she arrived and did what she did with the permission of the Japanese government. I'm further surprised that people neglect to realize that after we've been told how Shibazaki tried to expose government corruption only to have it hit him in the face when he subsequently lost his family and job. And any deaths that did result from the bombings could easily be pinned on Sphinx since they've shown in the past that they're willing to detonate explosives and are recognized as terrorists by the public. Would be incredibly easy for any government to say Sphinx did it because 9 times out of 10 the public will side with government officials and not a terrorist group.

4. I think the FBI would have an interest in catching two teenagers when those two teenagers happen to be in possession of enough plutonium to kill literally millions of people. If they detonated that in the middle of modern day Tokyo, that's almost thirteen and a half MILLION people dead, minimum. The deaths of a couple thousand would be considered acceptable losses if it meant they could prevent the deaths of millions of civilians in what would be the most catastrophic event of the 21st century thus far.

BRK25 said:




The chess game was somewhat unnecessary but without it, wouldn't have lead to a phenomenal second half. I'm tired of all these Engrish comments. If the whole supposed FBI had the same English as Five, that's different. Everyone owned great strength to speak, but Five, a non native speaker is catching so much hate because of her English? Or cause you hate her? I don't get it.

And this you guys, is an anime. IF it was a live action, that's different. Even other shows did some law defying or physics phasing madness when it should have been realistic. Quit your bitching,if one was whining about something actually worth whining for or a giant giant loophole of a plot, that's different. Besides, we may receive a great finish.

Or a shitty resolution. We have to wait and see.

AoiMizu said:
Since Nine and Twelve is from sort of institute in their flashback, I wonder does their name in number mean they been sort into ranking like who the most intelligent and so on. Also, their age. 0,o how can Five work with FBI if she is same age as Five and Twelve around 16/17. Or, Five actually fake the information about her been FBI and all her agent is her own group.

Ahhhh..I'm thinking too much about this. @~@ Sorry.

SkyJW said:

1. Judging by the reactions of everyone in the control tower when the bomb exploded, I don't think that any of the air traffic controllers realized what was going on with that particular plane. I'd assume that a bunch of people informed about a bomb being detonated on a particular plane wouldn't freak the fuck out when said bomb detonated on said plane. Sort of like how the guy responsible for projecting the images on the monitors was simply told to project the chess moves without knowing what they were.

2. Maybe he wanted to get ahold of Sphinx because, while they weren't responsible for the plane bombing, they were responsible for other bombings, the leaking of restricted police case files, and the theft of plutonium (which Shibazaki has made clear is a raw nerve for him as a second generation atomic bombing survivor)? It's not like their past transgressions are instantly wiped away just because another individual almost killed thousands of people.

3. This seems to be a common complaint and I don't think the people who complain about it realize how much power is given to people that have government permission.

4. I think the FBI would have an interest in catching two teenagers when those two teenagers happen to be in possession of enough plutonium to kill literally millions of people. If they detonated that in the middle of modern day Tokyo, that's almost thirteen and a half MILLION people dead, minimum. The deaths of a couple thousand would be considered acceptable losses if it meant they could prevent the deaths of millions of civilians in what would be the most catastrophic event of the 21st century thus far.

GSupernova said:

That isn't the point I was making. Whether or not they were aware there was a bomb on the plane is irrelevant, the fact that the plan that Five was attempting required the cooperation of an air traffic controller who somehow had the ability to remotely pilot a plane directly to a location that Five was instructing him to move it to, in a room full of witnesses. With the intent of detonating a bomb underneath a terminal by doing so. I'm pretty sure air traffic controllers aren't brain dead and could probably put two and two together. "This completely empty plane that I was instructed to navigate to this terminal so happened to explode 30 seconds later. How incredibly strange. I wonder if I was just made into an accessory to mass homicide.". Again, this whole plan was clearly written under the assumption that she would fail because the plan is so ridiculous that if it had succeeded she would have a needle in her arm by the end of the day.


Okay, but that doesn't address the actual point I was making (i.e. him ignoring the criminal who clearly had intent to murder thousands of innocent civilians in order to play a game of human chess, thus apparently allowing her to walk away / escape) so that he could stare angrily down at Sphinx getting away from 5 stories up in a control tower is pretty unbelievable. At least cuff her before you start pining after Sphinx. I mean hell, he held a gun to some poor sods head but didn't lift a finger against an attempted mass murderer.


Nope, sorry, don't buy it for a second. Not only did the whole resolution to this situation come about due to a willful disregard of orders from police superiors on the part of the detectives at the scene(thus establishing they are willing to go this far simply to search for a bomb at the airport), they were also were direct witnesses to the FBI carrying out an act of terror at the largest airport in Japan(?). There's absolutely no amount of hand-waving that police bureaucrats could do to pin this on Sphinx when there are a dozen air traffic controllers as material witnesses and 5 police detectives corroborating the story. If the Japanese police want to catch Sphinx so badly, all they have to do is interrogate Five into giving them composite sketches and deport her ass back to America as a plea bargain. Case closed.



Not buying it, the current U.S. position on preventing acts of terror is that creating a police state is worth it if it saves a single life from terrorism. Fighting terrorism with terrorism is not what they would do in a situation like this - they would have every surveillance technique known to man sniffing out their faces to the point where they'd have to disfigure themselves or live underground to escape. They know what the culprits look like and their identities for god sakes.

MajorZero said:
Ok, for me, this episode is nail in the shows coffin. I fully expect rushed and half-baked ending. Also, riddles were stupid to begin with, but airport chess takes the cake, seriously, what kind of supreme math did Nine used? Did he actually imagined chess board, its size and then extrapolated everything on airport without any observational errors and that's all in a matter of seconds? Cool, teach me how to do this kind of shit!

BRK25 said:
They're not human or average. OF course they may perform high level techniques or powerful imagery if they are trained for their lives to do it. They're not the run of the mill humans. So, I'm fine with the chess board game, if they had placed more attention and gave us reasons to know what's going on. Maybe you expect too much of it. I'm just watching and immersed in it. My only worry is the next four episodes.

Hodgekiss said:
Basically, things went downhill with this anime when they introduced a ridiculously out of place and unbelievable character, Five.

Seriously, without even talking about the personality, accent and behavior, just look at her freakin hair! Her eyes! Her getup! While she would fit alright in most anime, it's just bad for such a realistic one.

It's like the whole anime is a clash of amazing realism and amateurish ridiculousness.

GSupernova said:

That isn't the point I was making. Whether or not they were aware there was a bomb on the plane is irrelevant, the fact that the plan that Five was attempting required the cooperation of an air traffic controller who somehow had the ability to remotely pilot a plane directly to a location that Five was instructing him to move it to, in a room full of witnesses. With the intent of detonating a bomb underneath a terminal by doing so. I'm pretty sure air traffic controllers aren't brain dead and could probably put two and two together. "This completely empty plane that I was instructed to navigate to this terminal so happened to explode 30 seconds later. How incredibly strange. I wonder if I was just made into an accessory to mass homicide.". Again, this whole plan was clearly written under the assumption that she would fail because the plan is so ridiculous that if it had succeeded she would have a needle in her arm by the end of the day.

Okay, but that doesn't address the actual point I was making (i.e. him ignoring the criminal who clearly had intent to murder thousands of innocent civilians in order to play a game of human chess, thus apparently allowing her to walk away / escape) so that he could stare angrily down at Sphinx getting away from 5 stories up in a control tower is pretty unbelievable. At least cuff her before you start pining after Sphinx. I mean hell, he held a gun to some poor sods head but didn't lift a finger against an attempted mass murderer.

Nope, sorry, don't buy it for a second. Not only did the whole resolution to this situation come about due to a willful disregard of orders from police superiors on the part of the detectives at the scene(thus establishing they are willing to go this far simply to search for a bomb at the airport), they were also were direct witnesses to the FBI carrying out an act of terror at the largest airport in Japan(?). There's absolutely no amount of hand-waving that police bureaucrats could do to pin this on Sphinx when there are a dozen air traffic controllers as material witnesses and 5 police detectives corroborating the story. If the Japanese police want to catch Sphinx so badly, all they have to do is interrogate Five into giving them composite sketches and deport her ass back to America as a plea bargain. Case closed.

Not buying it, the current U.S. position on preventing acts of terror is that creating a police state is worth it if it saves a single life from terrorism. Fighting terrorism with terrorism is not what they would do in a situation like this - they would have every surveillance technique known to man sniffing out their faces to the point where they'd have to disfigure themselves or live underground to escape. They know what the culprits look like and their identities for god sakes.

MajorZero said:

Ok, does the airport have the same geometric shape as chess board? Seriously, the show would benefit from more realistic approach (not to mention better writing would be appreciated too), especially considering the fact, that nobody said anything about Nine, Twelve and Five being some kind of victims of eugenics or something (which is pretty obvious considering how cliched ZnT is).

Vox_Populi said:
Also, possibly a random question, but why did Nine and Twelve enroll in school if summer break was about to begin? Especially since they skip the last few days? I'm assuming the school had a field trip to the first tower they blew up, but they really needed to pose as students to do it?

Flashoftheback said:

Couldn't agree more.
That's why i want them to get over Five quickly. She was so out of place that i can't understand why she even on this series.


Shibazaki is Lisa's father also a sound speculation. Can't wait for them to meet each other.