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May 5, 2014 1:40 PM
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When I started watching, I thought I'd missed an episode or something... The fight scene seems incongruous with the last three episodes, and while the plot twist is interesting, it seems as though it was rushed a little.
There's such a sharp twist in the tone that it comes off poorly executed rather than shocking - as has been said, it goes from drama to comedy and back and forth to the extent where it doesn't seem like it knows what it wants to be.
On the upside, though, Tensai's still there being cool, so I guess I'll keep watching.
May 5, 2014 11:02 PM
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thedryness said:
wow. i lost so much interest in this show from this episode. all the plot twists felt really half assed to me. the show had a lot more charm when i thought it was just going to be a group of kids running around solving puzzles and avoiding traps to find treasure and ultimately figure out "whodunnit?" on a mysterious technologically advanced island.

we didn't need conspiracies/world domination plots/tanks/masters of disquise/dark background for the mc involving daddy issues with "overbearing anime father #345" who is the head of an order of master thieves.

or at least we didn't need all of that suddenly dropped on episode 4. give me some time to get invested before you try to throw the big twists in.

pretty much my thoughts. juugo being a bit shady was telegraphed, but the rest was pretty stupid. the terrible battle where for some reason he just decided to use pointless, shitty attacks instead of his surefire one? the fact that he tried to kill people and wants to rule the world and they're just like "eh, whatever, heres a million bucks"? the stupid phonecall with his dad.. ugh
May 6, 2014 2:12 AM
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Really, the twist is not that hard to follow and they already give shit ton of clue, i guess people is right when they said this place is full of retards
May 6, 2014 9:26 AM

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Oh wow. Juugo is a MC who's actually capable of something... And yet not OP. This show just got more interesting
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May 6, 2014 3:02 PM

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Looks like someone has an interesting dad...
Also Tensai best girl 2014. (◕ᴥ◕し)
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May 6, 2014 3:48 PM

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WOW, this show is getting really good O_O That disguise certainly had me fooled ... who would've thought Juugo would team up with Matsuri? Not to mention giving them a FAKE ... would've thought she'd test it out at least XD (Also it's Satellizer from Freezing! Knew her voice sounded familiar ...)
OK, so Yuigo wanting to rule the world WAS pretty cliched and funny ... well, he didn't know the limit on the Cane clearly :P So Juugo used his knowledge (from Nanana) to stall out the battle ... haha XD That was silly :P Then the third guy from the president's group comes along ... ONLY TO BE MET WITH A HUGE ARMY FROM TENSAI LOL WTF XD They do business after all eh ...
OK, so Juugo just got a LOT more interesting. He was working with Matsuri after all ... FROM THE BEGINNING? Also what's with his dad? Seems like he got the Cane, so is he the guy that bought the Cane from Yuigo? After all it seems like he talked about Juugo "succeeding" him (Matsuri leader?) and then brought up him not trusting anyone ... plus he brought up Tensai when forced into that situation eh ;P
Ah, too much new information at once >_< I guess the show's only 11 episodes long ... well, looking forward to the next one :D
May 7, 2014 1:05 AM

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wow, what a twist. was M. Night Shyamalan involved at some point?
I feel like i've missed an episode at some point as they just dropped all that at once, Yes it was hinted at but a couple generic "who are you" comments doesn't mean good foreshadowing.
Looking foward to more puzzles though, those are where the fun is in this show.

May 7, 2014 8:47 AM
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Episodes 3 and 4 definitely raised my interest in this series.

I think some of the people saying "what do you mean you didn't understand the twist?" need to step back a bit and understand that it's not the content of the twist, but the execution of it that is throwing people off. For me, it's the abruptness, lack of setup, and generally not knowing what the main character's motivations are at this point that led to a lot of "wait... what?" moments in this episode. But I'm sure those things will be cleaned up later. I still appreciate the twist for what it is and for mixing things up for the main character.


pandamabuk said:
Really, the twist is not that hard to follow and they already give shit ton of clue, i guess people is right when they said this place is full of retards

The irony of your comment amuses me.

Edit: Oh yeah, I thought of a couple things I forgot to mention. For one, at about 12:55, that staff totally goes through the girl's arm. I was amused.

Also, wasn't that magical gem taken by Tensai in episode 2? If so, how did Juugo have it again this episode? Admittedly I may have missed something along the way.
Killer_TomatoMay 7, 2014 8:58 AM
May 8, 2014 3:53 AM
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If the cane grants wishes, can't he just wish for a billion yen? A hundred million yen is like, one million dollars, the *teapot* should be worth that much.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

He has a cane that "grants any wish". The only way wanting to take over the world with it is stupid is because it's thinking too small.

And of course he's just using the staff to shoot magical blasts. Is that the actual function of the staff and "grants any wish" just what you can supposedly accomplish with unlimited ammo magic blasts?

Oh, I guess that can't be true since they're not even unlimited. Jesus Christ. A cane that can grant any wish could cure all diseases! Erase every evil that afflicts mankind! If he used that up firing energy bolts, and the MC made him do it, the two of them are responsible for 99% of human suffering and death from now until forever. Our lead male characters are now literally Hitler.

This is how I would do it: First wish: Death Star and/or 70,000,000,000 battle droids. Second wish: Cure cancer. Third wish: Cure AIDS... and so on down the list, until the charges run out. You now have terrifying military power and the love of the populace, Machiavelli would be proud (it's only "better to be feared than loved" if you can't be both). When you're surprised by the charges running out, look at how many things are left on the list, and especially the one that your first wish prevented from being cured, and weep for the suffering of mankind.

Okay, if the cane's energy is completely spent, now a million dollars is a reasonable valuing of it.

A conversation with a father that you don't respect/obey, when he's asking about that sort of thing, is for joking around not for seriously admitting how you feel. With that in mind, when he asks "how much do you like her then?" and "you don't hate people, right?", there's only one response you should give.

So, there's the real one, that fake, and it also got taken off him in episode 2? I love Macguffin shell games.

Okay, yeah, I kind of got distracted with the wish thing and spent more time writing the above than watching the episode, this may have dampened my enjoyment of the episode. Still, kinda fun but not too enthusiastic about it, I mean it was more setting up future stuff than really reaching a climax with the stuff from last episode.
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May 8, 2014 1:43 PM

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What the fuck? I wasn't expecting such a tonal shift from this show. To make things worse, this episode's execution felt really convoluted and clumsy. Some of the conclusions seemed like a complete cop-out as well, like Juugo forgiving Isshin so easily. Really lame.
It's a good thing Tensai is Tensai, otherwise I would've dropped this right here and now. Hope this show doesn't fuck up another episode like this.
May 10, 2014 5:49 AM

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5/5

Episode valuable, so full of twists and turns as they did not understand anything until the end. Too happy with this turn do so sudden and unexpected. They are also happy to further mysteries that have been added to the plot. Also good clashes during the narration, who has not sinned in anything.
Excellent designs and animations.
In the next episode, maybe there will be the consecration would like so if you feel it is one of the best this season 2014.
May 17, 2014 10:16 PM

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Weakest episode so far. The first three were fantastic but this one, I felt like I skipped one or two episodes and was written by a different author.

It really doesn't sit well with me when the MC gets blatantly betrayed and someone tries to painfully kill him (I doubt burning, impaling and freezing where just threats) yet he still acts all friendly with the other party afterwards.
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."
May 20, 2014 3:00 PM

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Easily the weakest episode of the series so far. I like the idea of Juugo not being an entirely good guy, but the plot twist wasn't built up enough and felt kind of jarring. Plus, I don't think they explained the twist thoroughly enough. I was really confused by the twist until I looked through here. I don't mind it, in fact it could be quite interesting, I just think the presentation was weak.

My hype for this show has been slightly lowered, but I'm still enjoying it. Plus, Tensai is still awesome!
May 21, 2014 7:26 AM

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Maji hikuu wa.

That was terrible. Tensai was still cool, though (But it is starting to tread a fine line. I love how she is able to see through other people's BS and solve puzzles so easily, but having a character just /know/ everything can get old really fast). Like a lot of other people have said, it felt like there was an episode or two between three and this one. The twist was just annoying instead of exciting and it was hard to follow what was happening. It doesn't really matter though, since this is only going to be an 11 episode series. It was never going to go anywhere in the first place.
Gar_LoganMay 21, 2014 7:29 AM
May 23, 2014 9:27 AM
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LMAO, what a freaking joke!

First of all, what the hell is with that gem? He gave the gem to Tensai, then gave the gem to the thief girl but still has the gem. So it is like he has 2 fake ones? lol!

The talk between him and the guy in glasses is totally bullshit, eventhough what the glasses talk is quite half-ass, it is still more interesting than the non-sense spouting out of our protagonist. Tbh, this is likely one of the worst protagonist I have ever seen, generic design, stupid abilities (good physical loool!) and bullshit ideal. Even when he is talking with his dad, I believe it is made so that he is the one suffers but instead he looks like a total ass.

Whelp, a total waste of potential. It would be even better if he is just a normal guy and just do quest and shit with his club to find the treasures.
May 27, 2014 6:17 PM

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Really nice eps and a plot twist (and we're only in ep 4)

Btw, whats the name of Juugo's father voice actor ? I'm really sure I've heard him in lots of places but I can't say where for sure (and no one added this character to MAL yet)

EDIT.: NVM, found out after a little search in anime-planet, it's Rikiya Koyama http://myanimelist.net/people/113/Rikiya_Koyama

He is Kagetane from Black Bullet, that's why his voice seemed so familiar.
http://myanimelist.net/character/83505/Kagetane_Hiruko
MusikaMay 27, 2014 6:23 PM
May 27, 2014 8:39 PM

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wtf he fucking 4gave the prez

i thought this was a puzzle anime but there was combat n hes from a family of master thieves a tone of plot this ep
May 30, 2014 9:29 AM
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Nice plot twist, but not so well executed. Anyhow , this show has the potential to become better from now on.
Jun 21, 2014 10:17 PM
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Fail!! They should have just shot them both with a tranquilizer and took the staff from them. But if they did it that way it would have been a short episode... I hope that the people who write this crap really don't think people are this stupid...

Also again with the shit ton of pointless talking...
Jun 24, 2014 3:12 AM

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This episode is seriously confusing,I have to rewatch the entire episode to have a better grasp of what the hell is happening.And why is Juugo letting Isshin off so easily?Im utterly confused of the role the characters play in this series,who is the villian and who is the hero?Except for Tensai who had an more define identity of being the detective.
Jun 28, 2014 1:20 AM

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you know one of the things I hate in anime? forgiving MCs.. an eye for an eye, bitch. I'd beat the living daylights out of that president Yuiga if I was him. fuck! I'm so pissed right now.. it's like the whole betraying thing was passed out as a joke. goddammit.

and they added some mysteries in here.. I just hope 11 episodes are enough to explain everything
Jun 30, 2014 1:28 AM

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Nanana can play even without looking, and still wins.

and Mario died spelunking
Jul 2, 2014 11:48 PM
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honestly... this episode gave me so many "wtfs" as in "wtf why is everyone so stupid?"

pres tries to kill you -> after it's over -> talks with him like nothing ever happened dafk
Jul 10, 2014 12:38 PM

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I actually liked this, man why isn't more of the novel translated?! I REALLY want to read it.... seems like I'm always interested in the series that aren't as popular...

regarding what happened this episode - I could follow most of it, however, they didn't really show/explain why Isshin walked around "freely" afterwards (I thought Tensai "captured" him?!). And Juugo didn't seemed to mind when they were sitting next to each other on the bench, lol. Like just earlier in this episode Isshin was about to kill Juugo (or deal serious damage at least)... ô.o
this anime has SO much potential (I really love the plot and the characters are all interesting as well) but the execusion of this episode was just....really bad
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Jul 25, 2014 10:54 AM

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Uhhhhh... what the hell is going on? The show kinda lost me there, almost completely. Couldn't even keep up with all the names, which is uncharacteristic of me.
I guess I'll just coast along with this then
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Jul 25, 2014 11:38 PM

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Had to come to the forums and rewatch the episode to have a better understanding of this episode...i like the plot twist but that could have been handled so much better imo.
Aug 7, 2014 3:07 PM

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I wish that Juugo did punch the president in the face.
Aug 29, 2014 4:05 AM

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this EP felt really off for some reason..

felt like they condensed 6 EPs into 1
Sep 17, 2014 2:11 PM

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Another solid episode! :)
Dec 18, 2014 6:49 AM

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Owhh.. Juugo has quite the backstory there.
But no reason to hold back that punch boy... man up a bit.
Dec 31, 2014 12:36 AM

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Color me confused. I'm not quite sure WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED. SO whos who now? Whos good and bad? Who has what motives? Are they lying? What was the cane's weakness? Limited uses? needs to recharge? I cant keep the names straight either.
Its good, but im so lost now.
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Jun 25, 2015 7:19 AM

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I understand why people are confused. The confusing thing wasn't the events themselves but the presentation that was very convoluted and sadden after the last episode. It made you feel like you missed an episode or two or something.

Anyway i pretty much got what was going on so for any future watchers that may wonder in this forums trying to figure what happened, this is the explanation.

The club president was not actually trying to sell the staff. He pretend like he wanted to sell it to that Ikaku person that seems to run the island so he can meet him and ether control him or eliminate him or something with the staff and start his world domination by taking over the island.
So the check Ikaku gave him at the end was actually a confirmation of his loss because actually selling it to Ikaku was not what he wanted.

As for the main. The main guy is the son of the leader of this Matsuri group of thieves. This group communicates threw a website that only their members have access on. As the son of the leader and growing as a part of that group the main guy obviously has access to that. Threw that he saw about the first item they stole and it's location and went and got it without them realizing he was the one who got it.
Of course his father threw him out of the house for reasons that will be even more clear later on(one of them seems to be he doesn't want to be part of the group and succeed his father) but still cares for him(sending him money etc). The other two Matsuri thieves(the woman and the face changing guy) are known to the main since his the son of their leader etc but he wasn't working with them. Since he did knew them though he called them for help when he felt like he needed to call someone that he knows for help. Because he wasn't working with them though they wouldn't help without some compensation so he told them he was the one that had the first item they stole and will give it back to them(although he ended up giving them a fake) if they helped him take the staff from the presitend.
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Nov 4, 2015 1:14 PM

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Juugo was part of Matsuri gang. Did not see that coming. Very odd. Seemed a bit out of the blue.

Some cool fighting but some was a bit confusing.
Feb 11, 2016 6:02 PM

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Awww what a way to start the episode with Tensai being so damn cute jajaja. Unbelievable how she knew everything! damn! "You are 3cm taller than Juugo", wow... She's the best girl in this anime.

During the fight I was like "Hey kids, don't you have class tomorrow morning? go to sleep already" jaja. It was so silly.

Finally! Some backstory for Juugo so he can be (or try to) an interesting MC!

I liked the episode in general, it was good =) Even with the special guest SAITAMA!
HumbertoZeroFeb 11, 2016 6:07 PM
May 22, 2016 12:08 PM

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I fail to understand Juugo's logic, he will still go to the adventure club even though the prez told him that he may betray him again!!WTF?!

And Tensai is just too smart, figuring out everything almost immediately kinda makes you feel unsatisfied, also she has serious privacy issues, how many times will she spy on other people's phones?jeez...
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May 3, 2018 3:07 AM
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So everything I knew was wrong? Everything the protagonist was doing was planned? He's a completely different person than the first 3 episodes. I'm a little disappointed. I was comfortable with the way things were, now it's just complicated plot twists.
May 5, 2019 3:03 PM
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Why is the transfer student underdog chosen one main character suddenly a mob-like street fighter? That was quite a bit out of the blue in this episode. And in the next it's back to the status quo again...
Sep 22, 2019 1:27 AM
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Wtf they're so much plot twists, so Juugo is the bad guy in the story ?
Dec 9, 2023 8:43 PM
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Wow a fight scene that is so original
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