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Mar 31, 2014 11:22 AM

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April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk

It was very interesting.

Mar 31, 2014 11:32 AM

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Wasn't aoba supposed to dissapear if hina didn't go in the time portal? If she didn't get there to get him in the past then how did aoba get to the future?!
fuck you buddy complex 6/10

Mar 31, 2014 11:46 AM

#53

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Aoba saved Hina from the time loop T___T

Bizon survived. Created Zogilla just to get revenge on Aoba : O. Current Bizon is gone right?

Can't wait for Season 2

Mar 31, 2014 12:00 PM

#54

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mother fucking Bizon still alive hopefully he get sht on more in the 2nd season

Mar 31, 2014 12:06 PM

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Bizon is such a possessive jerk. He rages too much. That guy at the end seems to be Bizon, still obsessing over killing Aoba -sigh-
And Dio is such a Tsundere~

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Mar 31, 2014 12:10 PM

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Wow that was surprising. Did not expect Hina to be in an infinite time loop, poor girl. (Imagine how many puberty she had to go through. sorry had to say this XD)

New mechs look awesome again. God damn Bizon shut up and die. I was really laughing out loud when he was raging and shouting "CONNECT WITH HINA!!!!!"

I love this series so much and im glad at least from the comments lots of people do too. It has a good storyline not the best but good. Great OP by Miho and fabulous ED by Choucho. Kinda expect it to not get resolve but damn its the 2nd show i watched this season that waited till the final moments to announce a season 2 like Hamatora. Felt like i got trolled. 9/10

DarkRyuusei said:
Wasn't aoba supposed to dissapear if hina didn't go in the time portal? If she didn't get there to get him in the past then how did aoba get to the future?!
fuck you buddy complex 6/10

Pretty sure the series's universe is working on the Multiverse concept

ArcanaTraceMar 31, 2014 12:14 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:16 PM

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tomotomo said:
April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk

It was very interesting.

lmao what the fuck xD pretty cool tho.

Mar 31, 2014 12:17 PM

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Wtf? I thought Aoba shot Bizon out of his mech? Well, it seems he did travel to the past, and stayed there becoming a prune until the present future where he's a carbon copy of Darth Vader+Professor X, but less cool.

Still didn't explain how they got into that time-paradox cycle in the first place. and now that the cycle has been broken, how the f*** did Aoba get to the future, if he himself stopped Hina from going into the past to send him in the future!? Then there's the damn hairpin's origin that's been bugging me since they showed it.

Who was the yellow-eyed, black-haired dude from the endcard? Looks strangely similar to Aoba.

This crappy end was obviously leading into a second season, but if by chance it gets canned, my score for this first season is going to drop.

Edit: Forgot to mention; now that Hina isn't going back into the past (which makes me wonder which timeline she came from), she wouldn't be wearing that over-sized school uniform while young again and being found in that rubble by her adopted father, and thus not become a Zogilia solder, which means she wouldn't have even met Aoba!

F*** your multiverse. Steins;Gate did it better.

Estoy_GordoMar 31, 2014 12:35 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:21 PM

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tomotomo said:
April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk
It was very interesting.

That is very funny indeed!

Here are some tidbits from the anime showing how tight the writing is:

- Normally, two enemy pilots cannot communicate because both sides use enscripted communication. The reason Aoba can call Hina in ep13 is that stolen Luxon's cockpit was installed in her mech because Dr. Hahn hadn't been able to build a good coupling cockpit matching Elvira's creation yet as stated previously. That stolen cockpit still has Elvira's special coupling communication program so Aoba uses it to call Hina just as Dio did in ep8. Bizon doesn't know about it and he was very confused as the result.

- Hina heard about Dio the first time in ep8. There, Aoba repeated her line: "Dio is waiting for you" verbatim. That's why Hina knows about the importance of Dio and says that to Aoba in previous time loops.

- Portable Nectar canon (one that can be carried on mech instead of battleships) is first debuted by Alfred in ep3 and the Alliance was believed to have nothing like it. That's why the reveal of Aoba and Dio's new coupling mech with portable Nectar canons comes as a surprise for everyone. Better yet, those canons are the ones that destroy Bizon's mech, but beam attack is precise enough not to kill him so he can recover as the leader of Zogilia!

- Gorgon canon's energy output is equivalent to 50 Megaton of TNTs. This is a homage to human's most powerful bomb ever created, the thermonuclear Tsar Bomba, measured power at 50 Megaton of TNTs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMYYEsKvHvk. That much power pluses the Quantum anomaly used by Coupling tech as well as Aoba and Hina's 120% Emphater level does make wormhole creation sound very plausible. Buddy Complex plays with Sci-fi elements pretty well.

It does not look like time paradox but rather multiverse and I have talked about this theory earlier in the thread.

ThangLongMar 31, 2014 2:32 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:23 PM

#60

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9/10

Will surely watch 2nd season of it..

I cannot bring myself to rate anime that I have completed below 5. Well, it just because I have use up my precious time to watch it. so, the worse you will get from me is 5 (changes may apply)

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 PM

#61

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This show for me has been really weak up until this episode, their time traveling and multiple timelines has gotten me really interested now. The key differences of the timeline that Aoba and Dio saves Hina and blasts Bizon is that in this timeline Bizon traveled back and founded Zogilia. My only question is, why is Aoba still in the "future" if Hina was never sent back to send him there, unless multiple-timelines converging is in play.

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 PM

#62

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On to the next season, btw no doubt, that Bizon becomes the leader of Zogilia, in fact I'm thinking that he founded Zogilia when he got into that time wrap.

Mar 31, 2014 12:30 PM

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Plot hole spotted.

Aww, the words that burns my soul.

Mar 31, 2014 12:37 PM

#64

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Oh, and in case no one realized yet, the majority of the plot was revealed in ep1. Hina called her mech CVP-014A, which is in short for Coupling Valiancer Prototype-014A

Mar 31, 2014 12:40 PM

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They explained the time travelling better then I thought they would so i give them credit for that. The anime was pretty meh but he final few episodes were really good. I personally liked the art and animation. I really think they underused the blonde general and her one fight scene was crap. I just felt that the villains were far more interesting and compelling and I almost root for them. I am fine with that and it doesn't effect my score but I doubt that was the intention of the anime.

Mar 31, 2014 1:01 PM

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Bizon goes bye bye and then he comes back... Lovely. Looks like a second season is coming, not that I enjoyed the first season much but I'll still watch.

Mar 31, 2014 1:22 PM

#67

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See! SEE! See where his batshit-ness took him!?
I think the one we really should blame is that creep Hahn.

We get rid of one paradox-loop, and we face an interesting consequence. Ready for S2!

Did the Gorgon blew up or did I miss something? The fight was difficult to follow completely and it's not even CGI. SO flashy.

Mar 31, 2014 1:46 PM

#68

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Seriously, what a shame. I didn't like the moment when Bizon died. I loved whenever he shout "HIIINAAAAA!!!"

That's hilarious.

Mar 31, 2014 2:14 PM

#69

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What i need to know, is how the time loop started, can someone explain this to me?

Mar 31, 2014 2:15 PM

#70

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Thank you ThangLong for your insights, makes me appreciate this show more, at least in terms of the the time travel bits.

I enjoyed few episodes here and there, the battle scenes were cool, I like the coupling system. Aoba is a nice guy, but I don't find him very interesting. I perferred Dio and Hina, and Fromm seems like a funner character too. This last episode though was pretty enjoyable, except for too much screaming from Bizon :/ that guy went nuts.

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Mar 31, 2014 2:16 PM

#71

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To be continued ..
Ready for S2

Mar 31, 2014 2:26 PM

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LOL

I laughed my ass off when they called the new-types

Luxon Next and Bradyon Next!

Woah :o

Hina and Aoba are freaking crazy xD

I hope the 2nd season will have more plot development though.

duderusMar 31, 2014 2:41 PM

Mar 31, 2014 2:29 PM

#73

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I'm glad that non of the crewmembers of the Cygnus got killed.

I'm confuse now. If Aoba stopped Hina from going to the past, then the past Aoba would never have a reason or a way to go to the future and there would never be a Aoba around in the future who triggered all the events that happened up to episode 13. But yet Aoba is still around after stopping Hina. I hope this will be explained in season 2. hm..... screw that time paradox. I'm excited that the story continues!!!!!!

Buddy Complex is a cooooolllll anime. I almost love every moment of it. especially when the Bradyon and Luxon exceeded the coupling duration whilst destroying all the missiles in episode 9 with that awesome soundtrack and all the simular events. Really made me jumped out of my bed.

Season two here I come.

LauPi314Mar 31, 2014 2:33 PM

Mar 31, 2014 2:33 PM

#74

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I couldn't help but laugh when Bizon kept yelling "Connect with Hina" while having spasms in his cockpit.

Now we wait for season 2.

Mar 31, 2014 2:46 PM

#75

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So all 12 episodes before was to build up this episode to make sure that we actually understand how this time paradox occurred. It might be too much time spent on a build up but I think it's necessary to really lay everything down on the board. So here's hoping the next season will be badass now that the looping have stopped.

Mar 31, 2014 2:55 PM

#76

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This wasn't bad at all. It was very expected of them to end Hina's endless loop by having Aoba stop her, but anyways, definitely gonna watch the 2nd season and see how Bizon returned

Mar 31, 2014 3:02 PM

#77

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Doesnt deserve a season 2.

4/10 for the series.

If this gets a season 2 and not Gundam Builder Fighter i will be mad.

Mar 31, 2014 3:11 PM

#78

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i cant believe this series is getting a s2. how fucking shitty. i enjoyed the anime (near the mid/end) but i dont think it deserves a s2. it was extremely mediocre. i wouldve been happy with where they left it. bizon dead, hina is now with aoba/crew. metatashi metatashi. BUT NOOOO... REVENGE OF THE SITH.

oh well. you can only find a new country for the sole purpose of killing someone when you're fucking insane.

6/10 overall.

Mar 31, 2014 3:15 PM

#79

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this was a pretty strong midpoint episode. Action was good and we got some nice set up for season 2. Bizon twist at the end made me laugh but also got me excited. as for the series as a whole its really really average and it didnt do much well or much wrong leaving me feeling no real strong feelings one way or another with it. its a spot on 5/10

Though something is really bothering me, if hina went back in time to go get aoba because she met him in the current time, then why and how the fuck did she go back and save him in the first place if him going to the future is the only possible way they met, im afraid they may have just written themselves into a hole, ill wait till the end of season 2 to see if this is ever addressed but if not this is a drastic flaw

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Mar 31, 2014 3:19 PM

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redd530 said:
Who's the guy with the black hair at the end card?

since that guy has black hair like Hina and spiky hair like Aoba, he might be their son.

At least that's what I'm hoping. :D

Agreed, b/c we never know whether hina and aoba at some point in the future will go back to the past and start a family or it could be a distant descendent that one of his relatives makes.

Everyone screaming plot hole, let me tell you this, we are dealing with time travel it doesn't have to make perfect sense.

Mar 31, 2014 3:30 PM

#81

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ThangLong said:
Here are my theories about Buddy Complex:

The time travel in this anime does not rely on the time paradox like we had previously thought (based on assuming that Hina disappeared when travelling to the future because there would not be two Hina in a paradox). Instead, it is based on the multi-universe theory where they have jumped to another universe by the act of time traveling. Thus, both Hina and Aoba's actions here have no bearing on the previous universe and they cannot disappear because Hina didn't travel to the past (with the time paradox theory, not traveling to the past means the current Aoba will disappear because there's no Hina to bring him to the future).

According to the deceased Doctor, the Coupling tech closely resemble small time leaps. That explains why the mech can move with such speed and sometimes "jump" ahead of time. The anime loosely unitizes Quantum Mechanic to build up this phenomenon (Quantum particles cannot be observed and people have theorized that maybe they jump back and forth in another dimension to travel between multiple universes). Coupling tech has given the mech this ability and thus Aoba can see ahead of time or his mech can make small "leaps" ahead that create its incredible speed.

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Based on the OP's lyrics and symbolism, the theme of this anime is changing fate. It was implied that Hina's fate is the same in multiple loops where she followed Bizon into the wormhole (Hina was sent to the past earlier than Bizon and she helped Aoba not getting killed from his inevitable arrival). However, what has changed this time around?

First, both Hina and Aoba were sent to the future. Hina was sent to Zagreb 10 years earlier and her body was devolved into a young kid while still wearing her oversized school uniform. She only remembered her name was Hina and was picked up by her adoptive dad. Aoba was sent to Luxon's cockpit as we see in ep2.

Something must have gone differently during the time when Aoba was trying to couple with Dio using SkyNight and FireBrand. In previous loops, Aoba failed to couple (as shown in ep11) leading to Dio not seeing Aoba's past. This time, Dio saw it so he did not prevent Aoba to chase after Hina to the wormhole and helped him puling Hina back as well as shooting Bizon's mech. This saved both Hina and Aoba from a never ending loop.

However, by destroying Bizon's mech, there's another consequence. It's uncleared whether doing that have changed their reality at the time by making masked Bizon the leader of Zogilia, or masked Bizon has always been around in the first place. Nevertheless, we can deduce that without his mech, Bizon cannot find Aoba in the past to kill him. Instead, Bizon is somehow able to go to the early Zogilia and work his way up to become the leader of that country!

Hence, the war may have started because Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba have transcended space and time.

I like your explanation. You might be right. We'll just have to wait for season two for the answers.

Mar 31, 2014 3:44 PM

#82

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I found 1 single thing that everyone seems to be missing....IF hina was not born but rather reverted to her child form and appeared in that ruined city.....
how did hina come into existence in the first place...I mean who were her parents how was she born and if this cant be explained the WHOLE events of the whole series of buddy complex is completely invalid <_> im so confused

Mar 31, 2014 3:45 PM

#83

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First of all I really enjoyed this episode and the whole series. Your theories are awesome but I have some questions. Especially to @ThangLong as it seems you understand japanese?

I really like your theories.
1. In previous loops, Aoba failed to couple (as shown in ep11) leading to Dio not seeing Aoba's past.
=> Where exactly is this stated?
2. 1st Episode right after the OP. There is a broadcast in the TV about Zogilia and the found of Nectobirium (or whatever it is called) and they stated that it could change the world. There it seems like Zogilia is not bad after all. So maybe Zogilia is led by someone else back then?
3. The thing I am asking me the most is also from episode 1. Right before they enter this time tunnel. Hina says something like she understands now. But right before this she calls the Time Tunnel "The Singularity" - in the sub, I don't know what she really says but as far as I can remember she says something different -- Time Tunnel? -- the other times this thing is mentioned.

And this 3rd question brings me to another theory. What if the cycle is still going on and all this is "planned"? Maybe in the near future they will give these Time Tunnels the name "Singularity" and some other events - with Bizon already as Zogilias lead - happen and another wormhole opens. This time the WHOLE cycle would repeat and Hina goes to the past.

Something like that. I hope you can understand what I mean.

Anime for me 9/10.. I just loved it :D

Mar 31, 2014 3:55 PM

#84

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huanwu26 said:

Everyone screaming plot hole, let me tell you this, we are dealing with time travel it doesn't have to make perfect sense.

yeah it doesnt, but this is an extremely basic detail they may be messing up bigtime that makes the entire series impossible

also multiple timelines are impossible since bizon going back in time affected the present

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

Mar 31, 2014 4:24 PM

#85

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This is easily the best episode. Now it's time for season 2.

Mar 31, 2014 4:36 PM

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JizzyHitler said:

huanwu26 said:

Everyone screaming plot hole, let me tell you this, we are dealing with time travel it doesn't have to make perfect sense.

And if he went into another universe, like many point out as an excuse, than he shouldn't exist anymore in this one. Show hinted quite the contrary.

Mar 31, 2014 4:47 PM

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So, anyone knows when S02E01 comes out?

I don't usually get hyped over mecha anime but DAMN this one has time travel but doesn't abuse it either (one of the many reasons i didn't continue Steins;Gate was because i heard it was gonna have too many plot lines and little action).
Anyways, i gotta say, i was expecting the time loop to repeat itself because i didn't realize that was Aoba's vision of the thingy, but i expected evel less that Dio would be the one to change anything and call shotgun on that fuck head XD (I think i'm too hyped to write properly right now! XD)

Mar 31, 2014 4:50 PM

#88

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Sonny_FIRESTORM said:
So, anyone knows when S02E01 comes out?

I don't usually get hyped over mecha anime but DAMN this one has time travel but doesn't abuse it either (one of the many reasons i didn't continue Steins;Gate was because i heard it was gonna have too many plot lines and little action).
Anyways, i gotta say, i was expecting the time loop to repeat itself because i didn't realize that was Aoba's vision of the thingy, but i expected evel less that Dio would be the one to change anything and call shotgun on that fuck head XD (I think i'm too hyped to write properly right now! XD)

Some source said before S2 was confirmed that there will be a second season in summer. Split Cour than. But actually it is not known if the show continues Summer or fall. I don´t think that they wait any longer.

Mar 31, 2014 4:54 PM

#89

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ahlau92 said:

I like your explanation. You might be right. We'll just have to wait for season two for the answers.

There's another detail everyone seems to be missing:
Remember when Aoba reapeared in the Cockpit and that Lt asked who he was? He anwsered and she saw his ID as a Scientist on their side, so that means bizon wasn't the only one who got a double from multiple timelines, Aoba too was there, possibly...

Mar 31, 2014 5:24 PM

#90

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So they were actually able to explain the whole time travel aspect in this episode and it didn't feel rushed too; that's awesome. And I was wondering what would happen to Bizon now that he fell back in time without a valiancer; since everyone saluted him at the end I'm going to assume that he created the zogilia we see today and he's there leader. I wonder if he put himself under Alfried to protect himself.

But now we have time paradoxes everywhere. What happened first? Hina and Bizon going back in time or only Bizon going back in time? If it was the former who created zogilia because Bizon died and if it was the latter why was Aoba in the future because at that point Aoba should have either been an old man or dead not piloting a cockpit.

Also I just rewatched the first episode and Hina called the wormhole the watchmaker's ... so is that hina from a different timeline as well?

Either way I'm looking forward to season 2 and the answers it will hold.

You want to throw down?

Mar 31, 2014 5:27 PM

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So, Hina went through an infinite loop to save Aoba. Now we understand why Hina turned into a kid.

That coupling vs coupling match was so badass.

Bizon was back at the end, I'm surprised that he didn't die from Aoba's and Dio's attack.

Mar 31, 2014 6:24 PM

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bonifide said:
Doesnt deserve a season 2.

4/10 for the series.

If this gets a season 2 and not Gundam Builder Fighter i will be mad.

Kurogashi said:
i cant believe this series is getting a s2. how fucking shitty. i enjoyed the anime (near the mid/end) but i dont think it deserves a s2. it was extremely mediocre. i wouldve been happy with where they left it. bizon dead, hina is now with aoba/crew. metatashi metatashi. BUT NOOOO... REVENGE OF THE SITH.

this anime doesn't have to deserve a season 2, it actually NEEDS a season 2 to resolve itself and from the looks of it, it has always been planned as a 2-cour show with the pace it went through for this season.. making an action mecha show just doesn't work with only 1 cour of TV aired episodes and i don't remember one like that airing ever (Gargantia is not about the mecha action and would have benefited with more episodes).. but you know with how Sunrise does nowadays of making them split cour instead (Horizon, Valvrave)..

anyway, i actually enjoyed the show and i gotta blame it on the music and awesome dogfights and how i desire a straight forward real robot show with two factions going head to head lately (gotta blame Valvrave for being trippy while GBF is a sports show, MJP is vs aliens and Nobunaga is lolKawamori).. my only concern is that its gimmick, which is this time travel stuff is gonna need some resolution and i fear that there are still gonna be plotholes on the next season..

argiliumMar 31, 2014 6:34 PM

Mar 31, 2014 6:27 PM

#93

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redd530 said:
Who's the guy with the black hair at the end card?

I'm guessing that since Bizon managed to get back in this timeline, another person from the past/future is also tasked into stopping him. And since that guy has black hair like Hina and spiky hair like Aoba, he might be their son.

There have been a few end cards featuring characters we haven't seen in the anime. I recall someone saying they were side characters from the Buddy Complex app/video game.

Mar 31, 2014 6:32 PM

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anonmous7125 said:
I found 1 single thing that everyone seems to be missing....IF hina was not born but rather reverted to her child form and appeared in that ruined city.....
how did hina come into existence in the first place...I mean who were her parents how was she born and if this cant be explained the WHOLE events of the whole series of buddy complex is completely invalid <_> im so confused

It had to start somewhere. It didn't have to start as a time loop, it just developed into one after a while. I assume that before the time loop stabilized there were some huge differences in between then and now. The first loop could be drastically different than the current one, we don't know.

Mar 31, 2014 6:34 PM

#95

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Old Bizon wants revenge. Oh, I really want the second season.

Mar 31, 2014 6:38 PM

#96

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"Grrraar I shall create a mighty empire, kill you, wage war and in the process kill thousands upon thousands...oh and kill you more because you stole my girlfriend (though she doesn't know it)!" = Bizon in a nutshell, the new timeline in a nutshell. It's going to be fun.

Question! I'm just a little confused so I'd appreciate if someone can help me with it. I get Hina's time loop, just not quite clear with Bizon's. So Bizon was sent to the past in the same timeline AobaxHina are alive and together in the future. Bizon is now Darth Vader leader of Zogilia. Does that mean the Bizon they knew ceased to exist and is wiped from their memories?

"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."

Mar 31, 2014 6:44 PM

#97

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This episode gave quite a lot to think about.

Best one of the series actually, even so I'm not so keen for a season 2 but will watch for the mysteries to be solved. I'm just hoping it wont get boring like this season did.

It did start off nicely and the concept of time travel in a mecha series was something new for me. Too bad the rest didn't stand out in any way and the show as a whole really lacked any excitement. I just found myself growing bored.

Mar 31, 2014 7:49 PM

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I am leaning toward multiverse theory, I think it explain a lot of inconsistency. However, there are still some points to be discuss:

1) When did the time loop start?

We know that there should be beginning of the time loop somewhere, but the beginning of the time loop (Hina travel to get Aoba) causes by the end of the time loop (Aoba coupled with Hina to get to the past).

I suggest that there exist original timeline, where Hina exist but Aoba didnt time travel. She is Alliance and in the verge of defeat by some empire (may or maynot be Zoglia, assuming that Bizon is the one who creates Zoglia). Scientist (whose photo is cutoff) sent her back to the past via Coupling tech+ a lot of Necrobilium (which cause timehole to open). However, she ends up in another verse without knowing... Bring Aoba or maybe Aoba sneak in, etc. I would like to call this the original timeline.

2) If each time travelling cause a jump to another verse, how can Hina actually made a time loop?

This can be workaround with saying she always jump to another verse that has exact same timeline as the current verse. On the other hand, this reason us out of the fact about "How did they actually end the loop" question. If time loop happens, the event should always be the same, so there's no way you can change it. For example, If the coupling that cause Dio to know Aoba's past didnt work for the last loop, it will still not work for the next loop. This is because the timeloop basically "repeated" the timeline event.

On the other hand, if Hina jump to different verse each time, then it explain why she could get out of this "pseudo time loop". This is basically butterfly effect, where each time jump Hina did, has some anomaly. An example of butterfly effect:

1st verse: where it all started
2nd verse: Probably extra Oxygen atoms flew into the timehole and cause the 2nd Past to has more Oxygen atoms than the 1st Past. Aoba breathe in this atom and cause his thinking to change a little. Aoba maybe different from the 1st Loop by a bit, which cause this timeline to be slightly different from the 1st.
3rd verse: Aoba movement might cause even more Oxygen to fly into the timehole. Thus, more oxygens -> more movement...
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10th verse: A cat clip flies into the timehole, cause everything to change....
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Current verse: Buddy complex timeline.

3) Why does Hina devolve everytime she time travel, while Aoba & Bizon didn't?

Suppose there exist other Hina the verse she travel to, it could be that that version of Hina are just 10 years younger. So when she jump to another verse, she simply replace that version of herself but at different location. As for Aoba and Bizon, they simply don't exist at those timeline, so nothing happen to them.

4) Why does Hina ends up in a destroyed building and Aoba ends up in Luxion everytime they time travel?

I don't really know about this though.

Mar 31, 2014 8:15 PM

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Mayuka

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Was okay but could be better. 6/10 Felt like characters were lacking most of the time, plot lacked a direction and I just wasn't very interested.

Season 2, come at me bro.

underneath the stars

Mar 31, 2014 8:25 PM

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Tendou-kun

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I am glad it didn't end in an endless time paradoxon and to be continued, yeah :D

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