Subtitled/Subbed or English Dubbed anime (aka Subs vs. Dubs v2)

BallsOfShinji said:
You have perfectly described most Japanese Voice Acting of anime within that paragraph. Therefore I shall say how do you consider Japanese voice acting to be good?

JD2411 said:
No, just anime. The accents sound unnatural and forced. It sounds natural in other media.

gamer2710 said:
How do Americans speaking in their native language sound "unnatural and forced"? They don't try to sound American, they just do.

gamer2710 said:
How do Americans speaking in their native language sound "unnatural and forced"? They don't try to sound American, they just do.

gamer2710 said:
False. There is no reasonable distinction between the two. You can look at the market for anime versus US media and spot some differences, but not at the actors themselves.

IntroverTurtle said:
No it's English dub VAs that sound like they are trying too hard not Japanese.

BallsOfShinji said:
I never said anything about trying hard rather the over the top voice acting which is usually found in the Japanese dubs of anime. Hence why I asked the question

JD2411 said:
Since you are American, it is probably difficult to tell. But there is a difference

IntroverTurtle said:
Trying too hard and over the top voice acting is pretty close together or one in the same. Which is what I've seen in dubs, hence me correcting you.

BallsOfShinji said:
]No there is not and I'm English. American people sound american because they are nit because they try to sound like it.

mattbenz99 said:

most dub try for a more realistic form of voice acting compared to subs. subs dont use realistic voice acting they tend to use very over acted voice acting and that is the reason why old dubs are so crazy and weird. just imagine the speed racer dub just with better voice acting. so i am guessing you just like the over acting and that is not a bad thing i like it also but i also like the more realistic voice acting also.

JD2411 said:
Since you are American, it is probably difficult to tell. But there is a difference

JD2411 said:
I am bilingual and compared to French dubs, English dubs do sound forced and unnatural.

JD2411 said:
I am bilingual and compared to French dubs, English dubs do sound forced and unnatural.

mattbenz99 said:
lol i am bilingual also and french dubs sound fucking horrid

JD2411 said:
Canadian French is significantly different from European French in both accent and grammar. Therefore what is bad to you sounds fine for Europeans

gamer2710 said:
Nice try. You can't bullshit your way past me. It's easier to tell the difference because I'm American.

mattbenz99 said:
i was taught both since i have family that either lives or has lived in france so i know what i am talking about and french dubs tend to sound pretty damn bad

dodoberry said:
He completely failed to show Light's calm nature, well let's make a comprehension

English dub(skip to 0:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9AJZfJ-zE

Original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwFszVk_QRw

JD2411 said:
That is because of a much lower budget than English dubs, it has nothing to do with acting ability

JD2411 said:
Sorry to say, but you are biased because of nationality.
And I foreigners can tell the difference.

JD2411 said:
Sorry to say, but you are biased because of nationality.
And I foreigners can tell the difference.

gamer2710 said:
And no, there is no difference between American voice actors in anime versus American voice actors in other media other than budget constraints.

JD2411 said:
Well that might be why the audio quality is worse in anime than in cartoons

gamer2710 said:
And no, there is no difference between American voice actors in anime versus American voice actors in other media other than budget constraints.

BallsOfShinji said:
Is it? Is it really?

JD2411 said:
Have you seen the Higurashi dub?
Family Guy sounds a lot better than that

JD2411 said:
Have you seen the Higurashi dub?
Family Guy sounds a lot better than that

BallsOfShinji said:
One example does not prove your hypothesis

JD2411 said:
Well there's Elfen Lied, Clannad, Angel Beats, Haruhi, Maburaho, Kono Minikuku mo utsukushii sekai, Gurren Lagaan, Bleach, One Piece and many others

IntroverTurtle said:
And what do those budget restraints affect? Maybe the VAs that they are able to hire?

Just like someone might say, don't compare fast food to high cuisine.

mattbenz99 said:

what are you talking about 2 thirds of those shows have great dubs? oh and elfen lied sounds just as bad in japanese

mattbenz99 said:

what are you talking about 2 thirds of those shows have great dubs? oh
and elfen lied sounds just as bad in japanese

gamer2710 said:
Lower budgets can affect audio quality as well as giving less time for actors to do their job. The less time they have, the less chances they get to nail their lines. I've heard actors hired by FUNimation who get their roles down pretty good get screwed over when Sentai Filmworks casts them because Sentai Filmworks almost always rushes their dubs.

But fast food and high cuisines are intentionally different products with different purposes. The analogy doesn't work because there is no reason for the quality of anime dubs to be different from the quality of other English works.

NoSurrender1690 said:

1 do you speak japanese
2 are you actor
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imo you cannoy truly judge acting unless you at least know how [ i hold a dgree in Music and preforming arts so yes to say you can say some one can act when oyu your self cannot it bad karma

JD2411 said:
I am not saying the dubs are bad, I am saying shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy sound better.

I know Elfen Lied is bad in Japanese as well, but that doesn't change the fact that the dub is bad

NoSurrender1690 said:
yes there are us cartoons will have prime time viewing most of the time anime in the us does not so yes

gamer2710 said:
Lower budgets can affect audio quality as well as giving less time for actors to do their job. The less time they have, the less chances they get to nail their lines. I've heard actors hired by FUNimation who get their roles down pretty good get screwed over when Sentai Filmworks casts them because Sentai Filmworks almost always rushes their dubs.

But fast food and high cuisines are intentionally different products with different purposes. The analogy doesn't work because there is no reason for the quality of anime dubs to be different from the quality of other English works.

gamer2710 said:
That is not a reason that justifies a difference in quality. Anime shouldn't just accept a lower level of quality just because it's not being aired on prime time TV.

Emnay said:
With that analogy, do I have to be a movie director to tell if a movie sucks?
Do I have to be a video game developer to 'truly' know if a video game sucks?

IntroverTurtle said:
So are original American products and re dubbing Japanese products. American video games, Pixar movies, cartoons, are made originally for America. Which is different than getting an anime from Japan and re dubbing it so they can sell it here. Basically the fact that it's foreign and being redubbed makes them made for a different purpose, I might not be explaining that perfectly, but you should get the gist. And you've already pointed out budget.

The budget also affects who they can hire, right? Do the top American VAs that America uses for Pixar movies and the such all work on English dubs? You can hire a fastfood worker to make high cuisine but they can't, it wouldn't be high cuisine anymore, it would be fasfood.

gamer2710 said:
You seem to be under the impression that anime dubs should be as "Japanese" as they can get, making them inherently different from US works; that is most certainly not the case, and that is why your analogy doesn't work. US dubs of anime are made for the US audience to enjoy, just as any other US work is. That might sound ethnocentric of me, but when it comes to making money, it's better for US licensing companies to try to appeal to the wider US audience than it is to just accept the super hardcore anime fans they already have under their belts who will buy anything and everything no matter the level of quality.

I'm not arguing against your original point that budgets affect who people hire. I'm just adding on to it because that isn't the only thing a budget affects.

NoSurrender1690 said:
^
= the mos ethnocentric post iv ever seen on the site

IntroverTurtle said:
I never said that, this conversation is about American VAs and the difference between original dubbing and redubbing. I'm tired of people thinking that me disliking English dub VAs means that I dislike all American VAs, when I really see a difference in quality.
I'm saying that making something originally and importing it and redubbing it are two different purposes making my analogy fine. There's all sorts of things that are different including changing the script, making sure the mouth fits, etc that's different in redubbing than it is in the original dubbing, it's a different process.
What you're saying is nothing new and has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I already know the reasons that they localize.