Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT Episode 7 Discussion

PersonX said:
Nice episode, although I don't like how Sena is put lately, I hoped she would have confessed clearly by now, but that seems to be on next week.

Anyway, nice episode (already said that...) and can't wait for the story develoment for next week.

Archie74 said:
Is Yozora supposed to be the antagonist of the show?

Yozora is specially vicious towards her chosen rival Sena. The character comes across as a ____ who would act that way regardless of the situation. Is this main character really supposed to be nefarious? I've yet to see ANY redeeming qualities.

Mockman said:


While she certainly can get carried away some times, Yozora isn't all bad. She's cute for one thing, which is more than enough for some.

But remember what Kate-chan said about her earlier. That while she did make Maria run around outside naked from time to time, she also brought her out of her shell. And while Sena has conflicted feelings about her, she joined the club (crawling through the window to do so) and wouldn't give it up for anything. She lies to her father about the torments she faces. She likes her unusual nickname and she no longer spends her time with fawning, nameless bootlicking guys. In earlier episodes, Rika couldn't finish an earlier outdoor adventure but recently, she was able to go shopping and buy new clothes. She's no longer a total shut-in.

In fact, before they met her, all of them were leading dismal lives. Now they lead peculiar lives but they are all pretty happy, given their unique personalities. So while she does have a cruel streak in her, she's definitely a net good person as far as anyone in the club is concerned.

Aren't you forgetting the fact that most of the things she did was to embarrass or insult them.....not to help them and they backfired on her.

So while she does have a cruel streak in her, she's definitely a net good person as far as anyone in the club is concerned.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Aren't you forgetting the fact that most of the things she did was to embarrass or insult them.....not to help them and they backfired on her. Please don't say something like she had some noble intentions for doing so. Yukimura's case should be a good example. You can like her but don't try to hide her faults which are so openly visible.

Archie74 said:

^

The reason I posted the question was because this was clearly evident in episode 4. Yukimura is discovered to be a girl, to Yozora's chagrin and frustration.



Yozora's evil streak has been present in all her on-screen time. Seems that is all she does, be mean and angry at someone or something, hence my question(s).

Ps. I don't dislike Yozora... I'm just curious as to the character's role, and I haven't really payed in-depth attention to the anime. And I don't want to rewatch it.

Mockman said:

You're right, as is DSX. She definitely brings issues. While she is probably the lead female, the show has done a good job of giving all the characters opportunities to shine and to fail. So it could go any way.

Another point to compare… While Sena may be the most popular character right now – not just in this forum, or for this show, but in the whole anime world - she has issues too. And while Yozora often goes too far, Sena seems to enjoy the attention that Yozora gives her. And Maria and Yukimura are certainly happy. Rika doesn't really get abused, indeed, in episode 2, she was the one doing the manipulating. But Sena's treatment of Kobato is too much for Kobato to handle, enough so that she often avoids her. And while she's better now, she wasn't particularly nice to Kodaka in some of the early episodes. Should Sena get a free pass?

symbv said:
...the final comment by Kate that since Kodaka has Sena there is no point in her forming "some other kind of relationship" with Kodaka.

ElfinMint said:
Yozora looks like a man in Tracksuit.

Maioula said:
I honestly like everyone in this show except from Yozora... This club is for making friends but she only wants to be friends with Kodaka! She keeps her distance from everyone else! On the other hand the other characters have become really good friends with each other.

Brigandi said:
Yozora and Yukimura boyish look
Rika bondage rape
and naked Kate...

symbv said:
Can't help the feeling this episode has Sena as the winner. Somehow all the girls left to leave Sena to be alone with Kodaka, and then there is the final comment by Kate that since Kodaka has Sena there is no point in her forming "some other kind of relationship" with Kodaka. Since this comment seems to be linked to the next episode, perhaps we will see more Sena (and perhaps her father) the next episode too.

Mockman said:
Another point to compare… While Sena may be the most popular character right now – not just in this forum, or for this show, but in the whole anime world - she has issues too. And while Yozora often goes too far, Sena seems to enjoy the attention that Yozora gives her. And Maria and Yukimura are certainly happy. Rika doesn't really get abused, indeed, in episode 2, she was the one doing the manipulating. But Sena's treatment of Kobato is too much for Kobato to handle, enough so that she often avoids her. And while she's better now, she wasn't particularly nice to Kodaka in some of the early episodes. Should Sena get a free pass?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
But as far as development goes, Sena keeps getting better and more mature (except her attitude with Kobato) but Yozora just keeps getting worse despite getting so many chances. She always does the opposite she says and still clings to that childhood friend status. Now seriously i don't see too much redeeming qualities in her. Btw nobody in this show is perfect but Rika and Sena develops way better as characters.

Also Sena puts up with most of the time becuase she thinks of Yozora as a friend and also teases her time to time but as we can see Yozora always becomes violent. Yozora can't handle Rika.......she tried to bully her too but she got smacked instead. So it's that she can't really abuse Rika (Rika is way dangerous) and Yukimura and Maria lack the common sense to know that they are being bullied. So i think you are misunderstanding a bit here.

Mockman said:
Perhaps, but aren't those all just details? My point was that whether they're being bullied or not, their lives have improved and they're happier — one step back, three steps forward. Remember what Yukimura said upon joining the club about being bullied. While nonsensical, she wasn't happy. Then contrast how Maria was when Yozora first encountered her against how she is now. Or ask Kate what she thinks. Sena puts up with it because her life is infinitely better than when she was being followed around being asked for her orders by an army of bootlickers. And… she has a weird streak in her own personality.

I like Sena too but I don't get this stuff about her developing while Yozora isn't. That's too black and white a statement.

Sena is just as competitive as ever, whether riding the roller coaster until she gets sick or visiting a maid cafe to learn how to be a maid, or the way she approached the King's Game. What was her stated goal when her first order was drawn? It was to shame someone. She is still a slave to her own ego – think heaped hair, or what her memories of school festivals are like. She still stalks Kobato. Heck, she even stalks Yozora. And despite being on the receiving end of much of Yozora's nastiness, she is still gullible enough to stand on her roof and howl at the moon.

To me, Yozora seems a bit different this year from the last. She doesn't appear to hold long conversations with Tomo-chan anymore. She is more open to what other people think, or even their presence. When they first started the club, she wouldn't let Sena in the room. She's willing to watch Rika's anime, she's willing to play her galge. Despite not wanting to herself, when the others expressed a desire to participate in the festival, she committed the club to joining in. At last season's festival, she wouldn't even wear a yukata, but in the last episode, she let Rika dress her up and this year, put on the maid's costume on her own. When Kodaka was confronted over his dream, she stepped up in a forthright way to explain the truth, even though she had previously wanted it to remain a secret. Even last year, after threatening to eat Maria from head to toe, she declined to tease Kobato similarly. So I think she is improving and she does at some level, pay attention to what the other club members can deal with.

Sena has benefitted from more personal attention than Yozora has had. Rika has as well. We get to see Sena out alone with Kodaka, whether in the mall or at her home. And Rika's been on fire this season, ever since she took her glasses off. Yozora's trying… she reached out to Kodaka to go shopping with her, probably for the first time, whereas Sena is by now used to messaging him. She tried to ask him out to the festival. But circumstances are always against her as she continues to hold herself back. And as to her clinging, I haven't heard her trying to leverage childhood friend status, as does say Chiwa in OreShura.

Anyway, they're both messed up but they're both great. The show is heading into the stretch run now. We'll see how these next couple of episodes go, but I think Yozora will get her chance to shine soon enough. We'll see if you doubters feel the same way by the end of the season.

potplant said:
The very reason Yozora spoke in such a tiny voice IS because she's in front of everyone, and would be embrassed to death if other's hear.

potplant said:
Do you think Kodaka is pretending? As a 'friendless' guy with not much on, he has no reason to refuse anyone - even if he might invite everyone else along. With Kodaka it's first come first served and just so happens Sena tends to be the person that asks directly.

potplant said:
Yozora's very easily embrassed, an emotion stronger than anything else - which is why she let Kodaka alone with Sena because her pressing issue at the time is to solve the sexy clothes problem.

potplant said:
(and Kodaka took one for the team partially to separate Sena from Kobato)

potplant said:


Which is ironic given the actual situation - that Yozora is on closer terms with most than she would want to admit.

Yukimura respects her and follows her directions (perhaps she detected Yozora is going for the tomboy route and as such as an inspiration of sorts on the quest to become a man?)

Maria fears her and they have a rather peculiar relationship (both the food giver and punisher, well similar to Kate then)

Rika has some rapport with her both being sharp individuals - she's the subject of conversions and valued for her BL cosplay potential

Kobato admires her because she's dark and 'cool'.

None of the other characters are as involved, especially 'with each other'

Zhou said:
Every frikkin' girl had a moment in this episode, pure gold, man.

potplant said:
How exactly has Sena changed?

Yozora's very easily embrassed, an emotion stronger than anything else - which is why she let Kodaka alone with Sena because her pressing issue at the time is to solve the sexy clothes problem. (and Kodaka took one for the team partially to separate Sena from Kobato)

aizengamer said:
Its sad really, my favorite character is Yukimura (even before they showed she was a girl) but they only ever use her for jokes and stuff. I wish they'd develop her a bit more.

Ragix said:


BONER ACTIVATED.
Loved this episode and I did too.