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| Man this was an hell good ride. Its amazing how they were able to answer many questions in 2 short episodes full of action. I hope it gets one more season. 7/10. |
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| Was not good as Eureka Seven. But i rated 8/10. Mostly cuz i saw Eureka and Renton.. loved seeing em together again. |
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huntx said: Not really.... Man this was an hell good ride. Its amazing how they were able to answer many questions in 2 short episodes full of action. I hope it gets one more season. 7/10. Here's a question that is never answered..... Why the hell did Naru become an international terrorist if Truth was removed from the timeline? That doesn't make sense because she didn't become aware of the scub until after Truth kidnapped her and basically started showing her how the sub would actually make her feel better. It was thanks to Truth that she was on that road to opposing the main land forces. So technically if Truth had been removed from the Timeline she should have never even started running around taking action to protect the scub. Not to mention with out Truth around how did she get the Nirvash? Technically Truth got the Nirvash because it attacked him of it's own will (never explained in any way shape or form why the Nirvash did this really... the assumption is simply to protect Eureka, but then it sides with Naru)... at which point he presents it to Naru for her to use. So with out Truth, Naru shouldn't have the Nirvash in her possession. Hell if there was no Truth, then Ao wouldn't have had to help his mother flee from Truth. Nirvash wouldn't have even abandoned Eureka to fight him off. Additionally they don't touch on everything else that would've changed as a result of that last, poorly thought out Quartz Gun use. I mean in essence technically Blanc should still be alive... as his sacrifice was done in order to kill Truth. See HUGE plot holes in the entire logic of the Quartz Gun. Oh I could go on with all the problem and loop holes with this series. There's a lot of people just trying to softball this series in, and some even trying to say it was amazingly deep, but it wasn't. The Quartz Gun was a cop out, Eureka and Renton were fan service, The actions of characters conflict with themselves.... Ungh... so many issues... it was entertaining yes. A satisfying extension of the Eureka Seven series.... no. |
| Read some of the discussion here and now I'm confused. Although endings usually leave me with some confused feelings or maybe it's just the flu I'm having right now. To keep it short, I enjoyed watching this show and was really nice to see Eureka and Renton again, dunno about how the plot worked out, but it looked pretty fine to me. |
QuanticNova said: To put it simply... Yes. 24 episodes all for nothing. 4/10, everything was so confusing. Alot of the terms and what was happening was so all over the place. Compared to the first season this show sucked. I hated fluer and elena, they we're not even needed in this show. Naru's role and character confused me. Half the time it made no sense what she was doing and in the end it seemed like she did not matter. I can go on and on but this show was just one complete fail. Also, Renton giving up Eureka to save a universe? In the original Renton would do anything to save Eureka, he would find another way. But in this they totally skipped over that. Made him out to be "Wrong". This show was horrible levels of bad. |
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| While people are being overly dramatic and exaggerating, I'll agree that the plot was convoluted. I also found the ending depressing... totally depressing... That said, any sequel is better than no sequel at all... |
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BHancock said: Reset Button = Cop OutTheMaverickk said: snipped for length Again, please refer to my quote. BHancock said: a.) Didn't get the ending you wanted b.) Didn't get the ending you predicted c.) Didn't get an easy-to-understand ending You're the classic case of these 3 examples. You say the Quartz Gun was a huge plot hole ... It was a reset button. You just wanted Ao to rectify his mistakes with the power of love and friendship coupled with awesome Nirvash lasers instead of taking Eureka's place and saving the people he loved in the world he left. The post above is a great example of what I said in the past pages. You make up scenarios to fill your need of understanding, ranting in misguided rage. If that's the case then why not make a fanfic? No need to explain anything, no need for logic, no need for fixing any of the glaring issues they placed in the narrative. They just write over them and say "new timeline" all those old problems we wrote into the narrative aren't there now. It's a cover for poorly thought out narrative. You didn't even read what I wrote..... I pointed out some big issues in how they told the story if it's all about "Ao's point of view" and it's solely about Ao. Not mentioning other issues like how big of a plot hole is created from Truth's removal. I never said anything about how I wanted Ao to solve the problems. Although I will admit there were a lot of better choices that could've been made. There is nothing wrong with Ao sacrificing himself for his family and friends sake, cause it's a powerful way to end an anime (I've loved many an anime with such endings like X/1999 and Code Gaess)... but it's everything that happened leading up to that point. It's all the problems with how the story itself is told. If anyone is in denial it's you, you can't even accept that they didn't even use their own plot devices properly. |
TheMaverickkNov 22, 2012 2:08 PM
| I have a quick question. Who was in the Nirvash Neo that took down Naru? Was it Ao from another dimension or what... They just kinda ended that with a Part A Break. |
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LucarioNate said: I believe the implication is that Ao didn't himself take down Naru, I have a quick question. Who was in the Nirvash Neo that took down Naru? Was it Ao from another dimension or what... They just kinda ended that with a Part A Break. But that Truth as an archtype did. The Nirvash Neo had a will of it's own and it did a few things without Ao ever controlling it to do so. It's why he was left confused as if he was like "I just took her down... but how". |
TheMaverickk said: LucarioNate said: I believe the implication is that Ao didn't himself take down Naru, I have a quick question. Who was in the Nirvash Neo that took down Naru? Was it Ao from another dimension or what... They just kinda ended that with a Part A Break. But that Truth as an archtype did. The Nirvash Neo had a will of it's own and it did a few things without Ao ever controlling it to do so. It's why he was left confused as if he was like "I just took her down... but how". Ahhh ok! I thought it was Renton at first but he appears later through the beam of light. Makes more sense now that it was Truth. Thanks! |
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| Well, I finished the show. Clearly, everyone here acknowledges Eureka Seven was special and this was...bad. I thought during the original that Bones got extremely lucky and their odd way of telling the story just happened to work out. I was right. This attempted to tell the story in the same fashion, but it didn't work out--for the viewer. It did, however, work out to make some sort of weird sense. We never really got close to any characters like in the original: especially potential love interests like Fluer and Naru. I found myself leaning towards the former, because I said "if they make him fall in love with a girl who has been crap all series long, I'll blow my brains out". It looks like they wanted us to not get close to anyone specifically for the reason of this ending: that virtually none of it mattered. I do think there was a bit of ignorance, because to be entirely frank, I don't think the Eureka of the original/the Renton of the original would just let their child, you know, wonder the various universes. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong because I misunderstood something that wasn't adequately brought up. Overall, a big, big mess. Still conflicted. |
| So much for expecting an amazing sequel. >_< |
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happysoul said: ^^^Well, I finished the show. Clearly, everyone here acknowledges Eureka Seven was special and this was...bad. I thought during the original that Bones got extremely lucky and their odd way of telling the story just happened to work out. I was right. This attempted to tell the story in the same fashion, but it didn't work out--for the viewer. It did, however, work out to make some sort of weird sense. We never really got close to any characters like in the original: especially potential love interests like Fluer and Naru. I found myself leaning towards the former, because I said "if they make him fall in love with a girl who has been crap all series long, I'll blow my brains out". It looks like they wanted us to not get close to anyone specifically for the reason of this ending: that virtually none of it mattered. I do think there was a bit of ignorance, because to be entirely frank, I don't think the Eureka of the original/the Renton of the original would just let their child, you know, wonder the various universes. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong because I misunderstood something that wasn't adequately brought up. Overall, a big, big mess. Still conflicted. Like you I had no need for them to force a relationship with anyone in particular, just wanted everything that they bothered showing us to be relevant in the entirety of the series, and at the end of the day, it basically wasn't. Not to mention your statement of how things weren't adequately brought up is absolutely true. Also things that were in fact brought up were never further explained or referred to at other points in the anime. |
| Gee......where's Dangerr?......hmmmm Anyways the show was all over the place, there was hardly any character development and the show hardly had any depth in it...... Not to mention I died a little inside........*sigh* WHY BONES......WHY?! |
negativedemyx said: Gee......where's Dangerr?......hmmmm Anyways the show was all over the place, there was hardly any character development and the show hardly had any depth in it...... Not to mention I died a little inside........*sigh* WHY BONES......WHY?! Well, I'm logging on for the first time since yesterday, so there's that. Besides, what do you want me to say? I've pretty exhaustively given my thoughts on the ending and series as a whole, if not numerous times, so I don't have much more to say. As for everyone else and their disappointment with the series, I'm not going to try persuading every soul on why they're "wrong". The bottom line is, I think the show is "good", but doesn't live up to the first series' standards. It has its own pros and cons, with its own unique strengths and weaknesses, but the sum of its parts definitely amount to less than E7:PoP. It's fine if you or anyone else believes that AO is irrelevant crap, but I simply disagree, and have given my reasons and analyses plenty of times as to support my claims. To reply specifically on your thoughts, however, the show's concepts and plot-points do possess depth; I would have enjoyed the series far less, and have virtually nothing to discuss week by week if it didn't. |
DangerrNov 22, 2012 8:59 PM
| On its own, this show wouldn't have been completely terrible( though still kinda disappointing), but definitely very disappointing compared to the original. Character development was kinda crap for most of the series, and there were lots of "twists" and such that didn't really seem to matter much. Even AO didn't feel very conflicted about what he was doing for 90% of the series, until the last few episodes. I just wish it was better. |
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| I became a member of this website, just to rant how much I feel this sequel killed the Eureka Seven series. I read most of the post on this forum and I have to say after episode 15, I knew this anime was going down in flames. I had hoped before then, that it would start getting better. But when I discover it was only 24 episodes, I lost all hope. Forget about the obvious contradictions and be happy with the best ending they made for this anime barring any follow up ova. Nirvash 'Truth Version' disappears and it with the only way left for Ao to make a safe landing with his ref board gone. This is due to fact the Truth Version was the only thing left in that world that can make trapers. (Ao then dies when he hits the ground.) Okay I will be the first to admit that the piece before this in brackets was never show or suggested but it is the only logical conclusion. And I have to say I am happy with that ending. With that ending any ova or follow up relating to this sequel would be point less. Eureka Seven could then receive a sequel that deserves to share it name with, and we can pretend the the 'Ao' series never happened. |
True0 said: This is due to fact the Truth Version was the only thing left in that world that can make trapers. I don't see that there would be any implications that the world and/or time he arrived at in the ending would not have been infected by the Coralians. Truth just tells Ao that its a completely different possible world then the one he is used to and that he may never even have existed in it. However as there is traper waves even after truth leaves in the ending we can only assume that there is something emitting the trapers. I like to think ao finds his way back to Okinawa and has a great life enjoying the awesome place that the southern islands of Japan actually are. Heck if I would have to pick a place to grow old Miyako-jima would absolutely be it! |
| Funny how Naru didn't mean anything in the end, despite supposedly being somehow important to the story. Well, after all most of the characters had little to do with the ending. 6/10 is a maximum I can give this series. Sequel was much worse than the original, similar situation as with Last Exile. BTW - I really hated references to other anime (Madoke for example) or to anime as a medium in general. Felt like breaking the 4th wall. Something like this didn't fit this show at all. Original wasn't like this. Besides, this was an alternate world. With history completely different, it's unlikely that Japan would have developed anime industry or at least not on the same scale. |
| It just doesn't feel right, so in the end it's still Renton & Eureka's mess that did all that. |
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303devilfish said: just realized that Ao's feelings toward his father were the same as renton's were toward his father. slowpoke.jpg. Lol.. took you a while xD |
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| Well, I guess this is what we get when we hoping for a sequel for a great anime.. At least, they can just make the sequel starts directly from where E7 finished. but this... I dunno what to say Let's just pretend that we never watched this and keep clinging to the original series |
| BOOOOOONES! I am a pretty big fanboy of E7 and I thought AO was "meh" at best. They had some interesting characters (Gazelle, Ivica, Fleur, Elena) that they completely wasted and part of why E7 is so well-liked is that the characters are interesting, relatively developed and have chemistry. AO falls flat in this department. It's like AO took all of the flaws of E7 and stretched them out, forgetting to put in the things (mainly the romance/counter-culture spin on things) that made E7 interesting in. The ending was a fucking mess. It was jumbled and all over the place and not to mention just plain fucking mean. Why have Renton and Eureka destroy the scubs they spent 40 something episodes fighting for and then be separated from their biological child after their first born dies? What the fuck, Bones? Do you hate them that much? The ending shits all over the original series in an unecessarily rude way. The only redeeming things about this show were Fleur/Elena/Ao and future Eureka and Renton. The OST was nice too. Overall I am disappointed and feeling lukewarm towards AO. I'll probably end up watching the series again once, but if I ever do for a third time I will definitely skip this fucking mean ass stupid ending. |
| I've never really bothered to post about this sort of thing, but this series was such a letdown that I feel kind of obligated to join the crowd. I gave it a 4/10, because I honestly didn't care for much of anything this series had. I liked how the original Eureka Seven had likable characters and the plot (until the end) was mostly straightforward to the point where even I could understand it. And that's saying something, because I get lost very easily when it comes to plot stuff. Astral Ocean, on the other hand, started out confusing and never really made any sense to me. I remember being hopelessly lost as to what was even going on at like episode 10 or so, because of all this talk about politics and seemingly evil robot invaders and all that. It didn't help that I was never given a reason to give a crap about any of the characters. Ao was an annoying brat (notice that Renton at least grew out of it), Fleur and Elena were mostly pointless, and I'm not even sure why Ivica existed at all. Other than waiting for Renton and Eureka to come in and rescue the show from being garbage (they were too late), I really wanted to see Holland and Talho's kid. It never happened. There was the Gecko at least, but that wasn't quite what I was looking for. As for what I liked about the show, the two opening songs were good and I appreciated any scene with Eureka or Renton on-screen. That's about it. The fights were very dull. Honestly, all I remember from them was "lol, homing lasers/missile barrages." Repeat this for every attack. But yeah, I'm extremely disappointed with this series. I think it's a step up from the trainwreck that was Good Night, Sleep Tight though, which just made me angry at how awful it was. With this one, it's just "meh." |
| Did they just pull a Rahxephon ending ?...........i donno what to say about this anymore. |
DarkRyuusei said: Did they just pull a Rahxephon ending ?...........i donno what to say about this anymore. sums about right |
| I'm gonna go sit in the corner and watch the original E7 to take my mind off of this excuse for a sequel. |
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| I don't even.....HUH? I get, believe me I GET IT! It's just.....WHY! Are they trying to piss off every possible type of viewer? Well, they succeed. Seriously, if this had been longer and delved into detail more then I guess it would of ended on a high note...but WHYY!!? WHY THIS? Other then that flimsy tie in with E7 this really has NOTHING to do with its predecessor. Honestly if it weren't for seeing Eureka and Renton again I would be filled with rage. Now it's just a awkward feeling of anger and comfort. Honestly I thought I would be a total fan boy about this defending it till the better end but right now other then Renton, Eureka, and Nirvash this is in no way associated with the prequel. It's not terrible in the grand scheme of things but honestly it should of been a separate show entirely with a different title and no tie ins with E7. The best thing to do is to pretend it never happened. Lock this up in the dark chambers of your heart and throw away the key in the even darker recesses of your mind. |
LordLagannNov 24, 2012 12:30 AM
| It wasn't that bad, but whatever. I'll just pretend it didn't happen... |
LordLagann said: The best thing to do is to pretend it never happened. Lock this up in the dark chambers of your heart and throw away the key in the even darker recesses of your mind. nope not gonna do that waiting it to appear in Super Robot Wars and i will enjoy AO existence |
Brigs77Nov 24, 2012 9:41 AM
Brigandi said: LordLagann said: The best thing to do is to pretend it never happened. Lock this up in the dark chambers of your heart and throw away the key in the even darker recesses of your mind. nope not gonna do that waiting it to appear in Super Robot Wars and i will enjoy AO existence LOL! I don't speak Japanese but from the looks of it this looks like it's from Eureka Seven. That archetype Renton's in is the final evolution in the original Eureka Seven story. Which then disappeared along with the Scub Coral so even in AO it doesn't make sense that Renton would be riding it unless it somehow was trying to connect the original series + the movie.... Why am I talking about this, I MUST FORGET! *Smashes face against desk* |
| Meh. I have the impression the last two episodes were sweeping the entire series under the rug. Well, it literally did. Slightly better than the Mass Effect 3 original ending though. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| The best part of this entire series is when renton appears |
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