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| Well i guess this women are prostitutes by the definition since they take money for sex but at the same time what they do is quite different since i can see how what they do can have a positive psychological effect in people with problems of intimacy with the other sex. In a way you can say they fill a void left that prostitution or normal psychology can't satisfy. It's the people that could pay a prostitute to experience sex and intimacy with the other sex and not just because they feel like fucking around a little in some hole. This people don't need a psychologist to tell them why they are unable to interact with the other sex. They already know their flaws but they can't do it by themselves and hiring a whore has a probability of ending in disappointment since she could just enter the room take the money and then just jump on him naked a few times while she seems bored as fuck until he comes so she can get out of the room imitatively. This women sound a little like what prostitutes would be if they where more awesome and not just disgusting whores. The prostitutes that already are caring are kind of similar to this surrogates in a way. I guess if prostitutes cared of the quality of service they provide then surrogates wouldn't be needed or at least a new name would seem kind of exaggeration. But as prostitutes don't act like that i guess this women had to create the word "surrogate" to make the distinguish of service. If they really suck at doing this surrogate thing though then they really will have no difference than common prostitute. I have to wonder though, how would a surrogate react to a man that supposedly came for help under false pretenses but has no shame self-confidence issues and just wants to use a surrogate as a typical whore? Would they refuse service yes or not? |
MonadJul 3, 2012 7:29 AM
| Sex is basically involved in both of them, however not in the same order of preference; for sex surrogacy, it's a mean, a way to reach and solve problems that can or can't be related to this necessity, and for prostitution, it's an end, sex is what the clients look for and what they get. That's what I understood from this thread, moral judgements aside... |
| From what I read, a sex surrogate teaches men how to have sex, communicate with women, overall show them how to have a good relationship. Seems like a good thing. I would rather have that than multiple one night stands with a prostitute. |
| I'm not against either, so it's cool with me. It's all business. |
| I have no problem with sex surrogacy or prostitution. |
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| Same thing is the same, they just charge more than the average pro and pretend they're in the medical field. |
| Is there another word for synonym? |
| I have no problems with any of them. But sex surrogacy can really solve these type of problems? o.O I don't really think so. |
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lung-tao said: I feel like sex surrogacy is missing the point. The only way you can "learn" how to become worth a damn in sex with your partner, is to ask and explore with him or her. And most sex therapists and gurus agree on this. Sex surrogacy defeats that entire point. This is basically how it is. Sex isn't the same with every partner (if that's what you do, you're doing it wrong) everyone has differences with there bodies, erroneous zones that are really sensitive on one person can be not very on another. That's pretty much the point of having sex (obviously not including the reproductive side) is exploring what you and your partner enjoy. And you can only do that...with your partner. However, I'm not totally against sex surrogacy, but it seems a lot more that it's just about building up the client's self-esteem more than anything else. If you don't have a lot of experience with the opposite sex than you can be too nervous to perform well when the time comes. On the prostitution part, I think it should be legalized because it's not going to go away and many people are forced into it against there will. If it was legalized it would be a much safer profession for the men and women involved in it and that can only be a good thing. |
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lung-tao said: this, although I'm still waiting for the day I can have my own robot like the ones in ChobitsI feel like sex surrogacy is missing the point. The only way you can "learn" how to become worth a damn in sex with your partner, is to ask and explore with him or her. And most sex therapists and gurus agree on this. Sex surrogacy defeats that entire point. But Simone has said before that it's rare for her to have sexual contact with her clients. So in her case, most of the time it isn't for a sexual thrill, it's to learn how to communicate and have 'sex manners.' But Simone is also not just a sex surrogate, she's a qualified sex therapist, who just so happens to have slept with more than 1,500 of her clients. I think sex surrogacy is an example of a larger problem we have and I think that would be how uncomfortable we are with sex compared to what society's expectations are. In other words, men are expected to be stallions in bed and women are supposed to be prude and overtly sexual at the same time. The emotional element can cause men and women to feel like they're not sexually capable and can then lead to problems like erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation and severe anxiety about sex or even getting nude in front of someone else. I'm sorry, I'm babbling. I can't help it, I have a sex column, haha. |
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| It's all the same and I don't have a problem with either concept. If adults want to take or give money for sex, let them. Isn't that what dating is, anyway? :) |
Monkey__D__Luffy said: ...I'm still waiting for the day I can have my own robot like the ones in Chobits Me too, that would be ideal. |
| What's wrong with prostitution? If the woman is willing and needs cash, and the guy has it, it seems perfectly fine to me. |
ProdiGene said: ...while a prostitute is like a retail service where you come, have some, and come again if enjoyed. I see what you did there. |
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Kiraly said: What's wrong with prostitution? If the woman is willing and needs cash, and the guy has it, it seems perfectly fine to me. Well there is a very large % of women who were forced into prostitution against there will. There are some truly sickening stories about some of the things that happens to these women, usually it goes along the lines of kidnap, rape, rape, violence, prostitution. Which is why I think it should be legalized, if it's legalized it means it'll have to be policed properly, right now police largely don't give a shit about what happens to prostitute, which is why the % of murder and violence towards them is amongst the highest there is. |
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| I don't think I really approve of either. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
NicoleB said: Kiraly said: What's wrong with prostitution? If the woman is willing and needs cash, and the guy has it, it seems perfectly fine to me. Well there is a very large % of women who were forced into prostitution against there will. There are some truly sickening stories about some of the things that happens to these women, usually it goes along the lines of kidnap, rape, rape, violence, prostitution. Which is why I think it should be legalized, if it's legalized it means it'll have to be policed properly, right now police largely don't give a shit about what happens to prostitute, which is why the % of murder and violence towards them is amongst the highest there is. People have to realize that the most police now are days is only busy harassing normal citizens so they can feel their dick growing instead of actually doing some work that might force them to sweat a little. |
Monad said: People have to realize that the most police now are days is only busy harassing normal citizens so they can feel their dick growing instead of actually doing some work that might force them to sweat a little. That and riot control... |
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NicoleB said: Kiraly said: What's wrong with prostitution? If the woman is willing and needs cash, and the guy has it, it seems perfectly fine to me. Well there is a very large % of women who were forced into prostitution against there will. There are some truly sickening stories about some of the things that happens to these women, usually it goes along the lines of kidnap, rape, rape, violence, prostitution. Which is why I think it should be legalized, if it's legalized it means it'll have to be policed properly, right now police largely don't give a shit about what happens to prostitute, which is why the % of murder and violence towards them is amongst the highest there is. Well yes, that's why I said 'willing'. And somehow I doubt prostitution is illegal out of concern for women. |
Kiraly said: And somehow I doubt prostitution is illegal out of concern for women. It doesn't matter why it's illegal (Hi Christianity), what matters if what we do now to protect the people being forced into it and to those who choose to. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| Yes Christianity is against it, but it doesn't take a Christian to be morally opposed to it. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: Yes Christianity is against it, but it doesn't take a Christian to be morally opposed to it. qft |
Post-Josh said: Yes Christianity is against it, but it doesn't take a Christian to be morally opposed to it. Of course. But it's because Christianity is against it (you have to remember that Christianity is 2000 years old, it's had along time to make there moral views seen as the "correct" ones). It's not as if suddenly Christianity was here and flip a switch everyone started to be morally opposed to it. And people are honestly welcome to there views, I'm not really questioning anyone's opinions of views on prostitution, I'm only saying that it should be legalised solely from a safety of the people working in that industry, point of view. |
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NicoleB said: Post-Josh said: Yes Christianity is against it, but it doesn't take a Christian to be morally opposed to it. Of course. But it's because Christianity is against it (you have to remember that Christianity is 2000 years old, it's had along time to make there moral views seen as the "correct" ones). It's not as if suddenly Christianity was here and flip a switch everyone started to be morally opposed to it. And people are honestly welcome to there views, I'm not really questioning anyone's opinions of views on prostitution, I'm only saying that it should be legalised solely from a safety of the people working in that industry, point of view. It should be legalized?,That's babble. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. |
DaddyJul 4, 2012 9:34 PM
XAtreyux__ said: It should be legalized?,That's babble. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. Why don't you go ahead and explain why that's the case then. |
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NicoleB said: XAtreyux__ said: It should be legalized?,That's babble. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. Why don't you go ahead and explain why that's the case then. I could would you like to see that? |
| Erm, pretty sure that's why I asked. |
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XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Like anybody cares, it doesn't hurt anybody. http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html Copy & pasting sure is hard. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. There sure is a lot of that happening in my country. /sarcasm XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Which once again, harms nobody. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. That doesn't make any sense. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. That doesn't make any sense. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Neither does keeping it illegal. But making it lega means theyl can protected better. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Which also harmless. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. But keeping it illegal does? XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. But keeping it illegal does? |
XAtreyux__ said: It should be legalized?,That's babble. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. You should watch this video. She does a good job explaining why prostitution should be legalized. |
rederoin said: XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. Like anybody cares, it doesn't hurt anybody. http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html Copy & pasting sure is hard. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. There sure is a lot of that happening in my country. /sarcasm XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry. It expands it. Which once again, harms nobody. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. That doesn't make any sense. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex industry increases child prostitution. That doesn't make any sense. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. Neither does keeping it illegal. But making it lega means theyl can protected better. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. Which also harmless. XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. But keeping it illegal does? XAtreyux__ said: Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. But keeping it illegal does? Explain to me How does making it legal protect them better? I think you have no idea what you are saying. I don't care if it's legalized or what not, But it sure as hell wont make things any better, |
ProdiGene said: Sex surrogates, as most of you I suspect don't know of, are members of a sex therapy team who engages in intimate physical relations or sex with a patient in order to achieve a therapeutic goal. They basically act like a guides to their clients, to tell them what a good relationship would be like if they ever have one; the catch is, they're not precisely psychologists; they actually interact with their patients more intimately. How intimately, you ask? They have sex with them, if I'm to say blandly. Most of the people who come at their centers know nothing of the opposite sex, in general. They typically don't know a lot about women, as most sex surrogates are women and the clients, men. They don't know how to touch, how to talk; basically, how to play the trick. Hell, some clients don't even come to have sex. They just come to talk. A surrogate is there to enable a person to go on in life, yet most people out there find it really close to the word, prostitute. I was having this discussion with couple of my (male) friends and the topic came up as I had watched a documentary the day before which explained the thing to me quite well; as expected, they took it over the "fun" way and classified them basically as prostitutes as they do it for money as well. It's not like I disagree with the basics of it all but in my opinion, as I've already said, a surrogate is there to enable a person to go on in life and function in a healthy manner while a prostitute is like a retail service where you come, have some, and come again if enjoyed. Plus, there's nothing about prostitution that's related to enabling and teaching. Most sluts you find at the roadside don't even take a look at the person's face, all they want to do is get done with it and get the money while the surrogate, on the other hand, has a talking session first which lasts for about some time; then, if needed, they go and have the 'magic' happen. So, what do you think? one might liken these surrogate to a high class escort, which is more about the companionship / to be seen with an attractive person, rather than just purely about the sex ( as sex is not what you pay for) Personally i do not have a problem with any of them in essence. Its better to have these things regulated than let it fester into something that ultimately ends up being dangerous and drug related. I do not see the aforementioned surrogates as prostitutes though. I think you nailed it on the head, the line is draw between them ,hiring a prostitute is something for purely pleasure, hiring one of these surrogates is about trying to move on with you life/ a form a therapy. Its certainly an interesting topic. A while back ( before i had a gf) a friend at uni suggested i should be a male escort when i was struggling for cash. This is mainly due to me being a sociable person, I'm not ugly, and I've been lucky enough to be in a lot of social situations where i have had to mix various different types of people ( mainly parties/ functions/ openings though my dad who is a photographer). As i found out the majority of an escorts work is for the someone to be seen with someone who can deal with social situations in an appropriate manner and sex is something that is under the table and more often not requires additional payment. I never ended up doing it, but it was interesting looking into it I think as a therapy that allows people to move on with their lives it's perfectly legitimate. If prostitution was regulated there would be less of a negative stigma attached it. The issue at the moment is that the majority of the girls you see on the corner of a street selling their bodies are those who dont want to be doing it. More often than not they have fallen on hard times, got involved in drugs and are caught in a situation where pimps will keep them addicted to drugs in order for them to continue working for them. Also the threat of violence is always present. |
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_DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. |
_DarkyuuxX said: Explain to me How does making it legal protect them better? I think you have no idea what you are saying. I don't care if it's legalized or what not, But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Wow you really dont get it do you? Legalising prostitution means it can be regulated. You put state controls on it then it means that people who choose to be prostitutes can be and without fear of being sucked into a grimey underworld. Even if they have fallen on hard times and have to to do it means there will be a much lower chance of them getting involved in drugs and crime. It also eliminates the need to have a pimp who will do whatever they can to keep them stuck in the cycle. Its pretty simple mate. Look at prostitution in Holland. They even have care centres for children of people who work as prostitutes. It isn't PERFECT. But its a step in the right direction. |
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rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. That was not what you were asked,Explain to me how does making it legal protect the people in it better. |
_DarkyuuxX said: That was not what you were asked,Explain to me how does making it legal protect the people in it better. Read what i just posted |
XRJul 5, 2012 7:47 AM
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_DarkyuuxX said: rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. That was not what you were asked,Explain to me how does making it legal protect the people in it better. Why does that matter? its irrelevant to the argument. Keeping it illegal won't protect them either(they can't even ask for help without going to jail), so it has no reason to be illegal for that reason. |
rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. rederoin said: _DarkyuuxX said: How does making it legal protect them better? How does keeping it illegal make it better? _DarkyuuxX said: I think you have no idea what you are saying. But you do? _DarkyuuxX said: I don't care if it's legalized or what not, Then why make the post in the first place? _DarkyuuxX said: But it sure as hell wont make things any better, Which is not a argument for keeping it illegal. That was not what you were asked,Explain to me how does making it legal protect the people in it better. Why does that matter? its irrelevant to the argument. Keeping it illegal won't protect them either(they can't even ask for help without going to jail), so it has no reason to be illegal for that reason. What does that matter?,Your the one who mentioned it wtf? But making it lega means theyl can protected better. ^There you go. |
| *sigh* perfectly good explanation at the top of the page and you both sit there bitching about it. Legalising it will help. Its been proven to help. End of story. :) |
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triggy89 said: *sigh* perfectly good explanation at the top of the page and you both sit there bitching about it. Legalising it will help. Its been proven to help. End of story. :) Opinion not a fact, |
_DarkyuuxX said: triggy89 said: *sigh* perfectly good explanation at the top of the page and you both sit there bitching about it. Legalising it will help. Its been proven to help. End of story. :) Opinion not a fact, No, its not opinion, it is a fact, read what i posted like 4/5 posts ago. Its logical and its been proven to work in countries like Holland where is has been regulated. Dont spout bile about a subject your clearly know shit all about. The only reason people think it is a bad thing is due to their personal, and on the whole illogical, problems with prostitution. This more often than not because of the negative stigma attached to it, BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL. If it wasn't i guarantee people would have less of a problem with it. Its like how smoking and drinking is considered more acceptable than taking most illegal drugs, even those it has been proven that tobacco and alcohol are proven to be more harmful to your health than the majority of drugs. ( this being show by the fact that they would be classed as either A or B over here in the UK if there were reclassified) |
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triggy89 said: _DarkyuuxX said: triggy89 said: *sigh* perfectly good explanation at the top of the page and you both sit there bitching about it. Legalising it will help. Its been proven to help. End of story. :) Opinion not a fact, No, its not opinion, it is a fact, read what i posted like 4/5 posts ago. Its logical, its been proven to work in countries like Holland where is has been regulated properly. Dont spout bile about a subject your clearly know shit all about It's been proven to work? Shut the hell up dude how would you know?, Even in netherlands women and girls who sell their bodies are routinely threatened, beaten, raped, and terrorized by pimps and customers. In a recent criminal trial, two German-Turkish brothers stood accused of forcing more than 100 women to work in Amsterdam's red-light district (De Wallen). According to the attorney who represented one of the victims, most of these women come from families marred by incest, alcohol abuse, and parental suicide. Or they come from countries in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia and have fallen victim to human trafficking, lured by decent job offers or simply sold by their parents Oh prostitution in holland is so great huh?, Shut the fuck up dude |
_DarkyuuxX said: What does that matter?,Your the one who mentioned it wtf? But making it lega means theyl can protected better. ^There you go. It was in response to the guy claiming they can be protected better if its illegal. Which is true(the woman/men can go to the police without being arrested if they are harmed). Also, since you admitted they can be protected better, why should it be kept illegal? |
rederoinJul 5, 2012 8:23 AM
_DarkyuuxX said: triggy89 said: _DarkyuuxX said: triggy89 said: *sigh* perfectly good explanation at the top of the page and you both sit there bitching about it. Legalising it will help. Its been proven to help. End of story. :) Opinion not a fact, No, its not opinion, it is a fact, read what i posted like 4/5 posts ago. Its logical, its been proven to work in countries like Holland where is has been regulated properly. Dont spout bile about a subject your clearly know shit all about It's been proven to work? Shut the hell up dude how would you know?, Even in netherlands women and girls who sell their bodies are routinely threatened, beaten, raped, and terrorized by pimps and customers. In a recent criminal trial, two German-Turkish brothers stood accused of forcing more than 100 women to work in Amsterdam's red-light district (De Wallen). According to the attorney who represented one of the victims, most of these women come from families marred by incest, alcohol abuse, and parental suicide. Or they come from countries in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia and have fallen victim to human trafficking, lured by decent job offers or simply sold by their parents Oh prostitution in holland is so great huh?, Shut the fuck up dude how would i know? because ive actually done my research on this, i actually did an elective at university that was centred around the issues of pornography and prostitution. wow you really haven't done your research have you. You pick and choose one article and use it as a basis for an entire argument. You cant prevent everyone from doing illegal things. That is not a product of legalising prostitution and it would be even worse if it was illegal because as those guys probably wouldnt even get prosecuted as those who went to the police would risk being arrested themselves. Use you brain you halfwit. Also you are actually referring to a human trafficking matter which is a whole kettle of fish entirely. the majority of the women who were forced to work there were illegally trafficked into the country in order for them to be sex workers and was not by any means a legal act. And yes prostitution in holland is much better than in other countries, there is statistically a lower drug addiction rate, lower crime rate, and few cases of beatings. The point of legalising prostitution is to stop exactly those kinds of things happening. Also you admitted that legalising it makes it easier to protect those who are prostitutes. I have never said once that it was perfect, but it is much better than keeping it illegal. I might have put across this glorified image of it, but it will never be 100% perfect. nothing ever can be. I think you are getting confused between me saying legalising it and just let everything go. Ie let people just run prostitution as it is now but legally, no, thats not it. Its legalising it in order to police it to stop the way it is now. Break the link with violence drugs and criminality. |
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_DarkyuuxX said: It's been proven to work? Shut the hell up dude how would you know?, Even in netherlands women and girls who sell their bodies are routinely threatened, beaten, raped, and terrorized by pimps and customers. In a recent criminal trial, two German-Turkish brothers stood accused of forcing more than 100 women to work in Amsterdam's red-light district (De Wallen). According to the attorney who represented one of the victims, most of these women come from families marred by incest, alcohol abuse, and parental suicide. Or they come from countries in Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia and have fallen victim to human trafficking, lured by decent job offers or simply sold by their parents Oh prostitution in holland is so great huh?, Shut the fuck up dude It would be naive to think that someone with a proper upbringing and without any kind of family or personal problems would decide to become a prostitute. The question is whether making it legal or illegal will improve the situation. I am very much in favour of legalising prostitution, but I do not entertain the idea that it makes for a comfortable life. The things you are describing here, while undoubtedly unpleasant, are not going to prevented by making prostitution illegal. There is a chance though that they may be prevented by making it legal, because the victims are much more able to report crimes against them to the police (without worrying about being punished themselves) and can be kept relatively safe. Unless you are under the impression that making prostitution illegal will deter people from taking part in it, then the question is not which will solve the problem but which solution provides the best possible results. The stories you have mentioned are not unique to the Netherlands and happen elsewhere, so at best we can say that legality has no bearing on the safety of prostitutes. |
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