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animefan22 said: I sort of felt sorry for yoshida even though at times she can get on my nerves I felt sorry for her as well. I really have nothing against Yoshida as a character, but the thought of an actual love triangle forming between her, Shana and Yuuji stood out as ridiculous in my mind. It's always been Shana and Yuuji, and even in the first few of the novels I read I didn't feel like Yoshida ever stood a chance. |
| Amazing episode, Yuji owning everyone i so called it, he didn't even looked like he was trying at all. His way of introducing the "new" him was bad ass also. Now while i really like Shana's character she kind of annoyed me this episode, she went from your not Yuji, only to scream his name right after when he got "hit" then to follow with don't use Yuji's voice, to I'll destroy you, to.. well you get the point and i may have got the order wrong on her dialogue but point is she contradicted herself the whole episode. i mean i know the emotion factor and all but... well whatever its not like it ruined the episode for me or anything if i had to really nitpick on anything it would simply be that and Margery screaming for like two minutes straight, besides that this episode simply blew my mind, all the hype and it didn't disappoint. Also I'm glad that i was right about the merging factor, its good to see that both Yuji and the Snake of the Festival are using the same body and its not possession so all this bad ass change in Yuji is actually the real Yuji but just with the Snake of the Festival's powers so in that sense he is no different that Shana and Alastor which i think is great considering both of the ones they are contracted to are "Gods" so it should set up a great final fight towards the end of the show game8910 said: In other words....bitch got rejected hard Oh man... how long i was waiting for that, i didn't feel the least bit bad for her, she was such an eye sore the ENTIRE show, she never did one useful thing, never had one redeeming quality, and always ruined scenes which other wise would have gone perfect, good riddance, you will not be missed. |
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| what is this, an episode with PLOT PROGRESSION well yuji obviously got the powers of the dark side like anakin skywalker did |
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Dudewitbow said: what is this, an episode with PLOT PROGRESSION I'll agree episode 3 didn't have much....but, the first two episodes showed A LOT that we previously didn't know! Why are so many people dying for "PLOT", we've got 20 more episodes, we have PLENTY of time to show the final volumes of Shana to it's entirety.... |
| Im glad Yoshida got rejected, the love triangle was the worst part of the Shana series because it wasn't needed. It's all but obvious who he will choose, they don't name the series Shakugan no SHANA if he picks the other one. Hopefully this is the start of some actually drama, this episode gave me what I've been waiting for for a while now. |
| A really good episode of Shana in quite a while. animefan22 said: I sort of felt sorry for yoshida even though at times she can get on my nerves This. Sure the whole love triangle thing was annoying but I didn't think Yoshida was that bad of a character alone. |
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| Yuuji still looks weird with that hair. Can't get used to it. He also need to be less over powered. |
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Goatee said: Im glad Yoshida got rejected, the love triangle was the worst part of the Shana series because it wasn't needed. It's all but obvious who he will choose, they don't name the series Shakugan no SHANA if he picks the other one. Well, actually the reason why the love triangle is so BAD and unnecessary is not really because it's so obvious that the "winner" is Shana, it's because this...IS...NOT...A...ROMANCE!!! I don't mind watching comedy romance and harem anime, but SnS should've NEVER had any to begin with. TBH, this is really a Shounen anime and they should've stuck with the MAIN story instead of bullshit Romance comedy that is so fucking generic and many times ANNOYING! Anyways, I think that's the main reason why the second season wasn't so great, however, I believe that this final season we won't have any more romance BS and it will be all about the MAIN story. |
JustALEX said: I don't mind watching comedy romance and harem anime, but SnS should've NEVER had any to begin with. TBH, this is really a Shounen anime and they should've stuck with the MAIN story instead of bullshit Romance comedy that is so fucking generic and many times ANNOYING! Just because the series has a shounen demographic doesn't mean it has to be completely devoid of romantic elements. I thought the love triangle was pretty ridiculous, but I don't discredit the author for trying to throw in some romance. The thing is that Yoshida was the person that really turned the series into a romantic 'comedy' with all of the tropes that goes along with love geometry. If she didn't continually fuel the fire you'd just be treated to an ice-cold Shana without any of the stupid dates or competition over whose bento Yuuji is going to eat. The romance-comedy actions that Shana engages in are almost always in response to Yoshida's overactive deredere personality. Still, with Yoshida out of the picture, the relationship between Shana and Yuuji wouldn't necessarily have reached a typical romance level. I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't. But the presence of hidden feelings between partner-types will always generate an extra level of tension between the two, which is what is being exploited this season. |
ciddypoo said: Just because the series has a shounen demographic doesn't mean it has to be completely devoid of romantic elements. Well, when I said "Shounen" I meant the action/adventure type of genre, you know like (Bleach, Naruto, OP), if you think about it SnS really is like those shows, you have a main character fighting against multiple villains to protect earth, that's exactly like every "shounen" out there... ciddypoo said: I thought the love triangle was pretty ridiculous, but I don't discredit the author for trying to throw in some romance. The reason the author did it is because nowadays EVERY anime/manga/LN has to have romance, which is pretty ridiculous, there are so many GREAT anime with absolutely NO romance and are many times greater than Shana for example (Monster, Hellsing, Detroit Metal City, Kaiji, and so on). I truly believe that SnS has been deeply hurt because of the "romance" elements they FORCIBLY put in there.....if you notice the majority of the fans have NEVER liked Shana's Tsundere attitude, they find it annoying and unbearable....however they still LOVE Shana, but that's mostly due to her fighting skills and the fact she can be very badass at times. Anyways, I don't really blame the Author, I blame J.C Staff, they screwed up so badly in Season 2 by giving us too many filler episodes....all of which focused on the shitty Love triangle that made MANY SnS fans upset with the show (Including myself of course). I've been a fan of Shana since the very first episode I saw, it's bittersweet to have this final season airing, part of me really wants to see how this will all end, but the other part of me is upset that after this there won't be anymore Shana... |
| I like the romantic elements and if it was a totally combat based anime, I probably wouldn't watch it (or at least look forward to it nearly as much). Yoshida wasn't the greatest love rival in the world, but she did model behaviour that Shana had no experience with (romance and love not being in Wilhelmina's curriculum). The relationship between Shana and Yuji provides a much more nuanced conflict to drive this arc. I also want to see what happens with Margery now that she has been pretty much destroyed by Snake of the Festival's revelation regarding the Silver. It was pretty clear that she was more of a sad drunk than happy one, so it always seemed that there were unresolved issues she was hiding from. We'll see how it goes for her and Satou (it seemed that everyone else knows the way he feels about her as well). It isn't only convincing her that someone loves her that is the problem, you also have to convince Margery that she desrves to be loved. |
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JustALEX said: Well, when I said "Shounen" I meant the action/adventure type of genre, you know like (Bleach, Naruto, OP), if you think about it SnS really is like those shows, you have a main character fighting against multiple villains to protect earth, that's exactly like every "shounen" out there... The reason the author did it is because nowadays EVERY anime/manga/LN has to have romance, which is pretty ridiculous, there are so many GREAT anime with absolutely NO romance and are many times greater than Shana for example (Monster, Hellsing, Detroit Metal City, Kaiji, and so on). I think there's a big difference between those two groups. The Jump 'big three' (Bleach/Naruto/OP) are all battle-manga, and Shana is a bit more reserved. If I'm not mistaken, its target demographic is an audience slightly older than the one for the big three. Additionally, Shana started off as a light novel, not a manga, so there's a greater expectation for character development and relationships that become pivotal to the story. And you have to adapt those in the animation. If you're talking about Hellsing and the like, I think those titles are more seinen than shounen. Shana is kind of in the middle of them both. Shana's story can get pretty serious, but it still feels like it benefits from levity. I truly believe that SnS has been deeply hurt because of the "romance" elements they FORCIBLY put in there.....if you notice the majority of the fans have NEVER liked Shana's Tsundere attitude, they find it annoying and unbearable....however they still LOVE Shana, but that's mostly due to her fighting skills and the fact she can be very badass at times. I love Shana, and I do like her tsundere attitude. It gives her a little bit of extra bite. As far as her fighting skills go, I never really thought she was all that remarkable. She's skilled with a sword and can fly, but the rest of the Flame Hazes can fly, use weapons and (until recently) more powerful magic than her. So for me, her personality was a huge factor in vying for my fandom. |
rodac said: I like the romantic elements and if it was a totally combat based anime, I probably wouldn't watch it (or at least look forward to it nearly as much). Yoshida wasn't the greatest love rival in the world, but she did model behaviour that Shana had no experience with (romance and love not being in Wilhelmina's curriculum). The relationship between Shana and Yuji provides a much more nuanced conflict to drive this arc. I agree with your point on the romantic elements. I think there needs to be a balance and last season there wasnt. The love triangle just got in the way of things. I like the direction the story is moving this season. I cant see anyway that Yuji can be defeated. He is just too overpowering. He most likely will have a conflict with the Snake of the Festival. |
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ace1369 said: I like the direction the story is moving this season. I cant see anyway that Yuji can be defeated. He is just too overpowering. He most likely will have a conflict with the Snake of the Festival. My guess is more that Shana will sharpen her resolve and put up a better fight, because from what it appears the Snake of the Festival even addresses himself as Yuji Sakai so while its a guess i don't think there will be a falling out; another reason for this guess is the first scene in the season, the very first one in which it appears to be their final battle (I'm guessing, since it looks to happen in the future, and idk it appears to have the setting for it) and Yuji still looks the same and when it talks its still the old Yuji, so unless he breaks down in the final fight, then i think it will simply be done the old fashion way, that or some unknown plot twist occurs since we still don't know how Yuji intends to stop the eternal fight between Flame Haze's and Denizens. |
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InfiniteDestiny said: ace1369 said: I like the direction the story is moving this season. I cant see anyway that Yuji can be defeated. He is just too overpowering. He most likely will have a conflict with the Snake of the Festival. My guess is more that Shana will sharpen her resolve and put up a better fight I agree with this. The Snake of the Festival seems overpowering at the moment, but he is supposed to be Alastor's equal. So there shouldn't be any major power gap between the two individually apart from their respective avatars. If this conflict between the two drags on for a while, it'll be interesting to see how Shana devotes herself to improvement since this would be the first time she'd have to play catch-up to Yuji. |
| That episode was amazing!!! Evil Yuuji is so badass! Also he doesn't really seem like a bad person, just a bit confused in my opinion. He thinks he is doing the right thing. |
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| WOW!!! Finally Yuuji grew a pair of silver balls. LOL I guess that the best part was when he broke the other girls heart. I love this episode. |
ClementIV said: I guess that the best part was when he broke the other girls heart. I love this episode. He stole her soul. |
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| ep was good but Yuuji new look is still a no go... |
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| The look is okay, I just don't like how his hair has functionality ... It feels like a damn beaver's tail or something when he whips it around. |
| Omg...this was over my expectation ..Damn i love this anime |
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| looks like yoshida was dumped... |
ciddypoo said: animefan22 said: I sort of felt sorry for yoshida even though at times she can get on my nerves I felt sorry for her as well. I really have nothing against Yoshida as a character, but the thought of an actual love triangle forming between her, Shana and Yuuji stood out as ridiculous in my mind. It's always been Shana and Yuuji, and even in the first few of the novels I read I didn't feel like Yoshida ever stood a chance. -Implying she already confessed. Shana didn't even said: "I love you" for him (he didn't hear actually), he still picks her, so why bother? Yoshida never stood a chance to begin with. But what I really liked about this episode, was that J.C Staff finally put and end to this pointless triangle, almost everyone hates Yoshida, and this love-love scenary was what made me think the first 8 episodes of S2 of Shana useless. It's the epic character: -She can't fight, but still want to getting in the way of others. -She wants to support him, he doesn't give a damn to her. -She wants a reply from him, but he still doesn't give a damn to her. So yeah, this was the best episode far, and somewhat better than 1/2 of second season. |
NiyawaOct 30, 2011 3:47 AM
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| great episode , this season is going to be epic . since : - no more random enemies come out of nowhere - no more stupid love triangle and slice of life~esque that everyone seems to hate so much ( eventhough i personally loved it in the second season ) i'm still confused , so why Yuji's flame was silver in second season if the silver thing is just an embodiment of human's emotion ? |
waterflame said: Amazing episode is amazing. Pure eye-gasm... xD By the way, can someone remind me... why exactly did Margery hate The Silver and why was she trying to catch him. I think I now understand WHO the Silver is(Her hate towards everyone who abused her). But there was some kind of backstory to it in the second season and I forgot it. There was a little dumb boy she saved and she fought for him or something like that... So, could someone explain.... onegai T_T I'll quote myself for the explanation of who/what the Sliver is since from what it appears my depictions were right, i didn't put in spoilers the first time and nobody complained but since people seem so shocked after episode 4, I'll play it safe As for the boy i forget his name but i think he was contracted to Valac (the name stands out more to me idk why) ya well anyway that boy was irrelevant the point of the story was that she didn't hesitate to sacrifice the boy for her own purposes, aside from that he has no connection, Now like in the quote i mentioned the Sliver was meant to be a vessel before it was defeated and resealed with the Reiji Maigo only for the Snake of the Festival to find a even better vessel in Yuji, She hated the Sliver because it killed the people she hated before she could that's pretty much it, and as this episode shows that only occurred because she wanted them dead anyway thus the scene with depicts the Sliver as a blood crazed Margery, so the reason she literally screamed for two minutes straight is probably because she realized that everything she had done, her reason for becoming a Flame Haze and letting people like that little boy die was all pointless, her past who knows how many 100s years were for wasted effort, that pretty much sums it up. |
InfiniteDestinyOct 30, 2011 8:40 AM
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| Pretty interesting, I hope they keep up the action and don't go back to Yuuji talking about another great realization. |
ciddypoo said: The look is okay, I just don't like how his hair has functionality ... It feels like a damn beaver's tail or something when he whips it around. There seems to something that coils around his hair, perhaps its suppose to be like a snake tail considering his name and all? well whatever the case it doesn't look that bad, i actually thought it was better that they didn't keep Yuji looking the same, if he is gonna change so much then his appearance should change also. |
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| Shana got owned, Yuuji rocks so much^^ Imho his new appearance is good. He looks wise and superior and you can't really make out if he's the good or the bad guy^^ Ah, this is very interesting now, looking forward to next ep :-) |
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mrmuk said: Shana got owned, Yuuji rocks so much^^ Imho his new appearance is good. He looks wise and superior and you can't really make out if he's the good or the bad guy^^ Ah, this is very interesting now, looking forward to next ep :-) So truee! |
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| I don't know what I should say about this. I really don't like the new Yuji, and I think he is stupid for giving up his existence to change the world. I don't really know if I like where this is going. 3/5 |
| i think i will always be lost in this series, i have always found it confusing with the importance of remembering a big list of names, and not necessarily knowing what they look like and only being told why they were important once. plus it was a long time ago since i watched the first 2 series any way, does any one know of a web sight where the past events can be explained in a short form so i don't feel like i have to watch the first 2 series again? |
waterflame said: InfiniteDestiny, THANK YOU! Finally, I get it. So now I can watch without wondering "wtf just happened". Also, poor Margery... don't you just wanna hug her... No problem, Ya i kind of felt bad for her, from her past clips it was implied that she literally sold herself to pay off debts, well that is what i thought of the clips with the money and then the bed, and then only to figure out that everything she did for the grand majority of her life was pointless... Nichibotsu-kaeru said: i think i will always be lost in this series, i have always found it confusing with the importance of remembering a big list of names, and not necessarily knowing what they look like and only being told why they were important once. plus it was a long time ago since i watched the first 2 series any way, does any one know of a web sight where the past events can be explained in a short form so i don't feel like i have to watch the first 2 series again? Well I'm sure there are Wikipedia's for it or you could read forums but you risk spoiling the rest of season 3 that way, so in honesty season 2 was really lack luster in plot which is why from what I've read people were negative on it as it focused more on a love triangle that few cared for considering the obvious true couple of the show, i posted before on this forum what i found to be the plot and point of season 2, as for season 1 its mostly Shana and Yuji development and what is the meaning of a Torch and the meaning of a Flame Haze, all the "villians" are dispatched with quick enough and never seen again.The only notable villains are saved for the very end where Yuji gained a grand amount of existence in the last episode in his first fight with the Bal Masque is notable because its probably why he can contain the Snake of the Festival now, since all the existence he gained that day replenishes itself at that new standard. Also names aren't really that important, from the OP it looks like a bunch of new Flame Hazes will be introduced etc etc but from what i get i understand the plot to this point and i still don't remember all the names, besides there are probably gonna be new Flame Hazes like the one in episode 2 who simply die off anyway. |
InfiniteDestinyOct 30, 2011 1:05 PM
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| After reading so many comments I finally realized there was nothing wrong with me not liking Yoshida... With this being said, I LOVED THE EPISODE :D Can't wait for mooooore |
| this ep was amazing! |
JOxCARPENTER said: I laughed. Retardness and pathetic tries amuses me, too. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| Liked it. Well, i voted before thinking. Now i already love this episode. But right after watching it i felt a bit dissapointed by action scenes - kinda waited for more tension, more proper fencing etc. I read that part of the novel, so my expectations were a bit too high. But after watching a second time i realised that it`s very good and everything is fine about it. Only bad part is - the end of the fight. Yuji defeated her behind the scene, which is not good. Also for some reason he didn`t use the ability of Blutsauger to disregard defence and cut the opponent - Shana crossed her blade with Yuji without consequences, while in the novel she was badly hurt by Blutsauger from the first attempt to defeat Yuji in swordfight. I liked how Yuji finally rejected Yoshida. I want her to summon Pheles and die already. Seems like she really is one of the most hated characters... |
| Finally an episode that (almost) made sense. Let's see what Yuuji's new ethics will bring to the script. |
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| Definitely a better episode than the last few. Shana is back to its very adequate mindless action self. Was a little disappointed that Yuji didn't go full evil and just collect both girls to sit at his throne. On the other hand, this outcome leaves more chance for the very unlikely but much more entertaining path where Yuji's cause is actually just and/or wins out. |
| Hey it was a nice fight. This was how Naruto even got popular in the first place |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Much much much better episode than the last 3. Yuji earned my respect, with him trying to protect Shana and the people he loves. Really getting a bit more hopeful for this series now. |
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| Nice episode, can't wait for next one! |
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