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Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM
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Yumekichi11 said:
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Secondly I think you are misunderstanding what I was saying is her expression is someone who is broken, it doesn't just refer to Shouma, it could be the culmination of many events such as her anger/sadness at her father and her new family, the fact that her fate may have been torn up (in reference to the diary) and the fact that someone may have just died for her, you could say it is also guilt, I don't think it's surprise, instead it's more like shock, I mean she had just said all those things to him making him angry at her and then he saves her, of course she is going to be shocked and also upset, perhaps even feel instant guilt and regret.
Well SHOCK was part of the factoring among the others of her surprised state and yes she was still broken at that time indeed. Guilt? I did not see it in her that way yet.

I do believe that Shouma did knock some sense into her but I think his sacrifice is what made Ringo realize them. What do you think?
I think I mention this slightly, in regards to knock some sense into her, by saying his words hit home and that this event will probably snap her out of her crazyness once she gets over some depression which will probably follow.
I see, well we hope she does. We want this whole arc done soon.
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I believe Shouma's 'sacrifice' is what really drilled the message in, because before she probably was able to delude herself into thinking "this guy hates me, just trying to upset me, he's the crazy one" or how she may have reacted to his words originally, but once he proves that he doesn't hate her or at least proves that he wouldn't want harm to come to her regardless of how he feels towards her she wouldn't be able to deny his words, thus the sacrifice was necessary.
YES! I come back to reality due to her illusionary thinking being premordial in her actions. Indeed she always shut herself in in a disbelief system.
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The reason I say guilt is just a theory, I believe there may be more than one reason why she is so obssessed with becoming Momoka, or why she would try to hard to become her, not just to re-unite her family, I think she may have accidently attributed towards her death or at least she has made herself believe this, which would obviously mean that if she saw someone 'die' in front of her she would be overcome with grief, shock and guilt, of course this is just a theory.
Interesting so you theorizing that Ringo indeed saw her sister die in front her and had the same reaction of today as she had which means that a shift from Momoka towards Shouma may have a mental impact and change it? That would be good although I think that she should not forget Momoka. If she can be gone and be replaced by Shouma so much the better to dumb that shit ass teacher. TBH I love to insult him now because he screwed up Ringo's life! RAGE! Now I feel the built up! Because of that teacher and his involement he made Ringo into a crazy btich as some woudl say.

This has got to stop and this teacher out of the picture. I would have liked to have a double kill but it won't happen so I am hpong Natsume does something. Still that teacher screwed x days x life time. Making poor Ringo be so crazy of him to go under hishouse and all. *Shakes head*
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There is sense in what your saying though and I understand what you're getting at, but I think there is something more, I mean sure someone would be surprised and shocked but those eyes looked strangely similar to the eyes I saw in a anime where someone died because of the character and they were overcome with grief/guilt, don't ask me for the anime I really cannot remember.
I also get what your a saying and TBH am pleased to have started a discussion with you.

We hope that Ringo will become more normal and fuck the teacher. I am hoping for a lovely Shouma x Ringo in the future where Ringo may be an amazing ally for Shouma and his family. Having gone out of the teacher arc and learning the lessons from there. I possibly would love to have a twist where the teacher reveals that Ringo's sister was killed by him or Yuri and it's a plot! Ringo taking revenge on him and Yuri. Something like that would be fun to move up.


To be honest Ringo didn't need to see Momoka die, but since Ringo seems to be the sort to slightly blame herself, and her obssessive attitude towards things and the fact she is prone to disbelief, all she needs to do is believe she attributed towards the death of Momoka, such as her actions caused an event that lead to her death, or her words caused something that made Momoka react and then perhaps of course this is unlikely HIT BY A CAR but I don't believe that scenario, what I was saying is I believe Death is something she may have seen, or at least believed she has caused, perhaps she witnessed her sister die in hospital, or saw a dead body, but either way she was able to make herself believe she was the blame in regards to her sisters death.

Another reason why she could believe this is the fact that her parents argued, and her name was brought up, which since she was so young could have influenced her into believing such things.

He didnt screw her life up actually, his situation only amplified what she wanted, which was to make everyone happy and thus become Momoka, her parents are to blame as well for arguing, also I don't think Tabuki really wanted Ringo to sleep under his house, I mean I don't think he is clincally insane or creepy.

I do think Ringo would be a good ally, because her personality shows strength and determination, I mean she is the only person to stand up to the ALMIGHTY HAT, I think that she would be a useful asset to them, I have also been wanting Shouma x Ringo from the start, ever since Shouma saw her walk past, because I thought this is probably the default pairing.

Nah I dont think Tabuki was involved in Momoka's death or caused it anyways, well not on purpose, because of his depression, but Yuri may have who knows, perhaps she has had stalker tendencies or obssessive tendencies for Tabuki for a long time, I mean remember her attitude shift in the park episode when it was just her and Ringo :P


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This show! *.*

Ooh, Shouma, what a saint you be. A cool one, too.

Also, that was the second time, I think, that something happens right after Shouma accuses Kanba of having been doing nothing for Himari, giving him no time to answer. It had better be good, whatever it is.
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When did Shouma called her a bitch?
I didn't watch this anime on subbed so don't know what it said there but that's totally wrong.
Must be an aweful subbers.

Yeah it's normal to feel guilty over someone trying to saved you.

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Shouldn't they just have called this anime "Yandere Ringo Panic!"
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Why were the stuffed animals under the bed, where was Tabuki, and what was he doing? I don't believe that he was deliberately setting up Ringo - I think that there is much more going on here.


I thought that was pretty suspicious too, with Ringo evaesdropping on him didn't she hear him call Yuri and leave? The OP and the craws symbolism might be hinting that there's more to Tabuki than meets the eyes.

Overall, another awesome episode. I enjoyed Ringo's wild west fantasy and the switch to old-school character design. Ringo's comment on the sibling's pretense to be a family and what Himari said after the ED raised a lot of questions. I also noticed that the biker took the second half of the diary, which might indicate that Momoka's diary is also important to Masako's group and it could be the Penguindrum.
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Poor Shouma ;_;.

The person who grabbed the book was probably one of 3 (or 4) people.
1.Natsume-san...my most likely guess.
2.Kanba- kinda is young x-x
3.The guy in the coat.
4.The pink haired guy...this might be hard to believe but It's about time he made an appearance =)

While I agree it's about time the pink-haired guy appeared, I find it very unlikely that the biker was him. He seems like a scheming/mastermind type not an action type. So I'd say your first guess - Natsume - is indeed the most likely based on the things that happened so far. Well, at least it appears to be female, as per the little detail in the following screenshot - breasts (at least as much as I can see).
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its a she lol
Probably she(natsume) is getting it for Kanba or maybe she is trying to keep the diary away from him ,but the diary is torn into half T.T
could it be Himari? ...
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The one who tore Ringo's dairy was not Kanba. The proof is underneath the spoiler.



EDIT: I was beaten. But yeah, the rider looked female. Going to keep my screenshot on here anyway because it's slightly larger, so it will be (slightly) easier to tell.

Also, I'm going to call this one now. Shouma will survive, but he will require a sex change operation in order to do so.
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The one who tore Ringo's dairy was not Kanba. The proof is underneath the spoiler.



Also, I'm going to call this one now. Shouma will survive, but he will require a sex change operation in order to do so.


are you being serious, a sex change? why would a sex change save the life of someone hit by a freaking car? it's actually an intruiging theory and I wouldn't be massively against it I guess, but It's unrealstic and destroys Ringo x Shouma which is nooooooo.

Do you think this because of his androgynous features?


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SkyHigh said:
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The one who tore Ringo's dairy was not Kanba. The proof is underneath the spoiler.



Also, I'm going to call this one now. Shouma will survive, but he will require a sex change operation in order to do so.


are you being serious, a sex change? why would a sex change save the life of someone hit by a freaking car? it's actually an intruiging theory and I wouldn't be massively against it I guess, but It's unrealstic and destroys Ringo x Shouma which is nooooooo.

Do you think this because of his androgynous features?
This director has turned people into cars before.

Also, I don't think that Shouma becoming a girl would destroy Shouma x Ringo. You would realzie that if you watched Utena.

And what's realistic about Kanba clinging onto a truck with his bare hands for at least one full minute to get the penguin hat again? Or most of the other stuff (relationships aside) in this show, for that matter?

Anyway, I'm thinking that the crash may have damaged ...certain body parts of Shouma's beyond repair, hence the need for a sex change.
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FOE-tan said:
SkyHigh said:
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The one who tore Ringo's dairy was not Kanba. The proof is underneath the spoiler.



Also, I'm going to call this one now. Shouma will survive, but he will require a sex change operation in order to do so.


are you being serious, a sex change? why would a sex change save the life of someone hit by a freaking car? it's actually an intruiging theory and I wouldn't be massively against it I guess, but It's unrealstic and destroys Ringo x Shouma which is nooooooo.

Do you think this because of his androgynous features?
This director has turned people into cars before.

Also, I don't think that Shouma becoming a girl would destroy Shouma x Ringo. You would realzie that if you watched Utena.

And what's realistic about Kanba clinging onto a truck with his bare hands for at least one full minute to get the penguin hat again? Or most of the other stuff (relationships aside) in this show, for that matter?

Anyway, I'm thinking that the crash may have damaged ...certain body parts of Shouma's beyond repair, hence the need for a sex change.


What male body parts can be damaged beyond repair and require a full body sex change? sure his dick and testicals may be crushed but it doesnt require a full body change.

What anime has someone turn into a car?

Yeah I guess about the Utena element but still, why would he turn into a girl what is there to gain from such a radical change? change in body will not change personality or attitude, unless female hormones are given to him and that wont kick in for a long time and won't cause much of a change.

And yeah I get that but there is a difference between getting a sex change for being hit by a car and a scene which was made clearly to show a tense situation.

though strangely enough I don't mind your theory.... lol


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Lol Ringo is such an amusing crazy girl. Drugging the cake and planning a rape. Hahahaha! Maybe is because i can't take the anime seriously or don't care about that teacher guy but i find this incidents kind of funny.
Lot's of nice Ringo fanservice too.

Tragic ending there. Lets see if her feeling gratitude or even guild will resold in her noticing the guy that was by her side until now.
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What male body parts can be damaged beyond repair and require a full body sex change? sure his dick and testicals may be crushed but it doesnt require a full body change.

What anime has someone turn into a car?

Yeah I guess about the Utena element but still, why would he turn into a girl what is there to gain from such a radical change? change in body will not change personality or attitude, unless female hormones are given to him and that wont kick in for a long time and won't cause much of a change.

And yeah I get that but there is a difference between getting a sex change for being hit by a car and a scene which was made clearly to show a tense situation.

though strangely enough I don't mind your theory.... lol
The anime where he turns one of the characters into a car is the Utena movie, Adolescence Apocalypse.

The director has also cosplayed as Sailor Mars in the past, and this is a guy we are talking about. He's just really into gender-bending and that kind of thing, which one of the reasons I'm expecting some form of sex change. Not to mention about those two fictional characters in the ED and the resemblance that the two brothers have to them. Shouma (and later Kanba by extension) could end up in some live-action production as those characters, with them playing the main characters.
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SkyHigh said:
I think there is more significance than mere affection and shock causing her to make that expression, perhaps something to do with Momoka, she may have experienced something similar or witnessed death before (Momoka) which would obviously make her panic.
I like this idea. May even be Momoka died saving her like this too.
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What male body parts can be damaged beyond repair and require a full body sex change? sure his dick and testicals may be crushed but it doesnt require a full body change.

What anime has someone turn into a car?

Yeah I guess about the Utena element but still, why would he turn into a girl what is there to gain from such a radical change? change in body will not change personality or attitude, unless female hormones are given to him and that wont kick in for a long time and won't cause much of a change.

And yeah I get that but there is a difference between getting a sex change for being hit by a car and a scene which was made clearly to show a tense situation.

though strangely enough I don't mind your theory.... lol
The anime where he turns one of the characters into a car is the Utena movie, Adolescence Apocalypse.

The director has also cosplayed as Sailor Mars in the past, and this is a guy we are talking about. He's just really into gender-bending and that kind of thing, which one of the reasons I'm expecting some form of sex change. Not to mention about those two fictional characters in the ED and the resemblance that the two brothers have to them. Shouma (and later Kanba by extension) could end up in some live-action production as those characters, with them playing the main characters.


I will admit I am a fan of gender bender anime, but still I fail to see how it will enhance the plot, seriously there would be no change from what I've seen and who knows about the ED, but you do realise this is an anime, all the characters are fictional :P

Besides I still fail to see how a car incident would cause a sex change, but you are free to believe what you want, besides if this crack theory is true I doubt Kanba would also change, he's just too manly :P


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The anime where he turns one of the characters into a car is the Utena movie, Adolescence Apocalypse.

The director has also cosplayed as Sailor Mars in the past, and this is a guy we are talking about. He's just really into gender-bending and that kind of thing, which one of the reasons I'm expecting some form of sex change. Not to mention about those two fictional characters in the ED and the resemblance that the two brothers have to them. Shouma (and later Kanba by extension) could end up in some live-action production as those characters, with them playing the main characters.


I will admit I am a fan of gender bender anime, but still I fail to see how it will enhance the plot, seriously there would be no change from what I've seen and who knows about the ED, but you do realise this is an anime, all the characters are fictional :P

Besides I still fail to see how a car incident would cause a sex change, but you are free to believe what you want, besides if this crack theory is true I doubt Kanba would also change, he's just too manly :P
Well, I never said that was actually going to happen, nor did I say that it would improve the anime. I am merely stating it as a possibility.

Besides, there are other ways to incorporate gender bender, with Shouma getting his own penguin hat and survival strategy transformation (or sharing Himari's) being one of those ways. That means he dies, of course, but is brought back to life by "The Princess of the Sapphire" or whatever they decide to call Shouma's penguin form if they go down that route.
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FOE-tan said:
SkyHigh said:
FOE-tan said:
SkyHigh said:
The anime where he turns one of the characters into a car is the Utena movie, Adolescence Apocalypse.

The director has also cosplayed as Sailor Mars in the past, and this is a guy we are talking about. He's just really into gender-bending and that kind of thing, which one of the reasons I'm expecting some form of sex change. Not to mention about those two fictional characters in the ED and the resemblance that the two brothers have to them. Shouma (and later Kanba by extension) could end up in some live-action production as those characters, with them playing the main characters.


I will admit I am a fan of gender bender anime, but still I fail to see how it will enhance the plot, seriously there would be no change from what I've seen and who knows about the ED, but you do realise this is an anime, all the characters are fictional :P

Besides I still fail to see how a car incident would cause a sex change, but you are free to believe what you want, besides if this crack theory is true I doubt Kanba would also change, he's just too manly :P
Well, I never said that was actually going to happen, nor did I say that it would improve the anime. I am merely stating it as a possibility.

Besides, there are other ways to incorporate gender bender, with Shouma getting his own penguin hat and survival strategy transformation (or sharing Himari's) being one of those ways. That means he dies, of course, but is brought back to life by "The Princess of the Sapphire" or whatever they decide to call Shouma's penguin form if they go down that route.


Hmm okay.... btw have you checked the ED again, I think those other girls next to Himari may just be pallete swapped versions of herself with different hair accessories and styles.

Well if he did die it wouldn't be permanent, I mean I just don't see it, it's too early to kill him off if they planned it that way xD


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shi just got real....anyone else missed the "survival strategy"?
"....i am the villain in this story"
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shi just got real....anyone else missed the "survival strategy"?
noticed its absense at the end of the episode, after that i missed it a little :|

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this series getting worse and worse after each episode....its a shame, it looked so good....:(((

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this series getting worse and worse after each episode....its a shame, it looked so good....:(((
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if one can put himself in the drama and minds of the characters it's actually pretty interesting, i think
sure there is still a lot of potential it should be showed, but hopefully 16 episodes will be enouth (but the pace should get a bit faster for that)

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Shouma is a gift from heaven.

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I think there is more significance than mere affection and shock causing her to make that expression, perhaps something to do with Momoka, she may have experienced something similar or witnessed death before (Momoka) which would obviously make her panic.
I like this idea. May even be Momoka died saving her like this too.
I thought Ringo was born after Momoka's death? Or am I confusing fan speculation for reality?
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Wow, so many F-bombs being dropped this episode.

Seriously, though, this episode reminds me of episode 4. That incident with an unknown female culprit acting with knowlege of the contents of Ringo's Diary. Episode 5 proved that Natsume was somehow involved with the incident, because she immediately took steps to silence the victim. But her direct approach determining whether the victim saw her attacker would seem a bit stupid if she were actually the culprit herself. And we still don't know who filled in for Tabuki in the first part of the episode. I think that all three must be the same person. The only reasonable one to suspect at this point is:
Hmm, maybe not.

Anyway, Ringo's father's new family's portrayal is an obvious reference to the Moe Eel back in episode 6:
Home wrecker interpretation much?

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I thought Ringo was born after Momoka's death? Or am I confusing fan speculation for reality?
That's probably my own speculation. Frankly, I'm still not sure whether Ringo was born first or Momoka died first.
It's a real conundrum, isn't it?
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Weirdest episode yet?
Weirdest episode yet
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This shit pissed me off it should been the crazy bitch who got hit by a car NOT shouma!
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SkyHigh said:



What anime has someone turn into a car?



The Utena movie had that concept.


Anyways, another bizarre episode. Ringo is even more crazy and I am so surprised by her confidence to win Tabuki, which it seems impossible.

And I think too, that it was Masako who torn the diary. She is the only one who goes against. And if Shouma gender-bender, it will be hilarious.
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This is turning into my favorite. Great plot and pacing. Looking forward to next episode.
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Ringo is fucking insane! I wonder what would happen if Ringo really does get hit by a car.
And who was that person on the motorcycle that ripped the diary?
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Could not find an op with animation on youtube so i recorded my own

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hlNK7HxxY
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heh sorry I wouldn't walk in front of a car for a craved psychopath stalker rapist girl. she's freaking bonkers. still waiting for this to wrap up and get more of Kanba and Himari.....
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Another epic episodeXD
Jeez, Ringo is creepy, but definitely her Cowboy delusion was so awesome XD
I think this is heading for ShoumaxRingo. Next episode finally some drama, lol. I bet Ringo and Kanba will appear crying.

Shoumaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, i love youuuuuu, dont die! (and dont get possessed by a penguin hat too, please).
I hope Shouma recovers fast because he is my fav. T_T

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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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best epoisode so far and wtf ringo xD

anyway her eye was kinda freaky espicially at 15:24 where she is dragging the body
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Alright, really getting sick of the Ringo shit. I get it, she's insane. I really, really get it; since her increased shenanigans screen time has been at the cost of Himari and Kanba. It would be cool if we could get more than 3 minutes of them in an episode versus the countless minutes of Ringo, thanks. Also hoping Ikuhara trolls the RingoxShouma pairing 'cause I just cannot get into it at ALL.

I have faith in MPD to redeem itself in the second half, but I am admittedly getting bored with its latest episodes. It's still my #3 favourite currently airing, it still has interesting characters and plot, awesome visuals and music; I just need to vent. I still like it a lot. I just can't wait to move beyond the Ringo stuff and focus on something ELSE -- Kanba and Himari, heyoooo.

Good cliffhanger, though. Helps me look more forward to the next episode!
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Kanba and Himari's little screen time was so good! Himari was adorable as ever...I miss them in the latest episodes
Ringo made me laugh with the cowboy fantasy, but during the episode it was so like..creepy.
I wonder about the biker, but I'm pretty sure that is Natsume. I also wonder what does the M stands for in her Project.
And Shouma was great in this episode. Hope he's alright!

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SkyHigh said:
To be honest Ringo didn't need to see Momoka die, but since Ringo seems to be the sort to slightly blame herself, and her obssessive attitude towards things and the fact she is prone to disbelief, all she needs to do is believe she attributed towards the death of Momoka, such as her actions caused an event that lead to her death, or her words caused something that made Momoka react and then perhaps of course this is unlikely HIT BY A CAR but I don't believe that scenario, what I was saying is I believe Death is something she may have seen, or at least believed she has caused, perhaps she witnessed her sister die in hospital, or saw a dead body, but either way she was able to make herself believe she was the blame in regards to her sisters death.
We don't know if she saw her dead or not but we do know she was with her a lot so when the incident happened she may have been there. There is more chance of that. She really looked like she may have been clingy to her sister, especially with the picture she had. She respected her father and sister most, which is strange because I want to know why her mother is not. Agree with your view of Ringo experiencing dead. It may have been like that of the many possibilities you wrote.
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Another reason why she could believe this is the fact that her parents argued, and her name was brought up, which since she was so young could have influenced her into believing such things.
Yes it's possible. That talk of visiting her sister while it was Ringo birthday, there could have been a mental mix up indeed.
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He didnt screw her life up actually, his situation only amplified what she wanted, which was to make everyone happy and thus become Momoka, her parents are to blame as well for arguing, also I don't think Tabuki really wanted Ringo to sleep under his house, I mean I don't think he is clincally insane or creepy.
I was leaning more towards the fact that he did jack shit to notice her around him as a love interest nor anything to even notice her doing all this stuff to him nor enough smart to notice some kind of love around Ringo towards him. In that he screwed her life by being totally ignorant towards her. He may be a flake but he should not be stupid. I think he screwed her life by being ignorant is my point.
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I do think Ringo would be a good ally, because her personality shows strength and determination, I mean she is the only person to stand up to the ALMIGHTY HAT, I think that she would be a useful asset to them, I have also been wanting Shouma x Ringo from the start, ever since Shouma saw her walk past, because I thought this is probably the default pairing.
Exactly! Ringo's not scared of the big bad hat nor of the penguins considering how she sat on the last one in last episode.
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Nah I dont think Tabuki was involved in Momoka's death or caused it anyways, well not on purpose, because of his depression, but Yuri may have who knows, perhaps she has had stalker tendencies or obssessive tendencies for Tabuki for a long time, I mean remember her attitude shift in the park episode when it was just her and Ringo :P
Exactly! Yuri could be a problem in all this and the root of Momoka's death. She has the money therefore some power to hire someone to get rid of Momoka.
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You got it wrong, she was born before Momoka's death. There is a picture of her with Momoka and her father. It means she was born before her death. Does that make sense?


No, actually you have it wrong. There is no such picture. I think you're referring to the picture of Ringo, her mother, and her father; not Momoka. The most we've seen of her is a shadow.

In episode 6 in the flashback when Ringo is 4 years old, they mention promising 5 years ago to take care of Ringo like she was Momoko, or something to that effect. Momoka was pretty young when she died if she was the same age as Tabuki who was around 18 when Ringo was 11.
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You got it wrong, she was born before Momoka's death. There is a picture of her with Momoka and her father. It means she was born before her death. Does that make sense?


No, actually you have it wrong. There is no such picture. I think you're referring to the picture of Ringo, her mother, and her father; not Momoka. The most we've seen of her is a shadow.
Yeah you are right, mind screwed me over or should I say memory. Ringo is only seen with her parents. So I am assuming all this happened when Ringo was born or one year later. Because it was mentioned that Momoka's death falls within Ringo's birthday and I am pretty sure about that one.

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wow that was quite an episode o_O
the fabulous max, the drugs, THE WEIRD LOOKING CAKE O_O, the pseudo rape, the dolls, the cowboys, and the car crash .___. seriously shouma why would you eat a weird looking cake like that, in fact a curry rice shaped cake is just plain weird LOL
anyways getting to the main point, i wonder if Natsume and Yuri are working together to foil Ringo's plans o_o my mind is too full to make anymore speculations @_@ so ill just leave it at that >_>
that sex change uhh theory is interesting, ive been wondering how the other two girls in the ending song look like Shouma and Kanba; it sounds awfully bizzare if it turns out Shouma really does need a sex change but hey anything can happen i guess lol maybe they're just metaphorical representation?
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that sex change uhh theory is interesting, ive been wondering how the other two girls in the ending song look like Shouma and Kanba; it sounds awfully bizzare if it turns out Shouma really does need a sex change but hey anything can happen i guess lol maybe they're just metaphorical representation?
You got me thinking it could be a price form in exchange for the hat to revive Shouma or heal him so that he lives.

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HiyuuT said:
that sex change uhh theory is interesting, ive been wondering how the other two girls in the ending song look like Shouma and Kanba; it sounds awfully bizzare if it turns out Shouma really does need a sex change but hey anything can happen i guess lol maybe they're just metaphorical representation?
You got me thinking it could be a price form in exchange for the hat to revive Shouma or heal him so that he lives.


that actually makes a whole lot more sense than a sex change operation, the question is if he needs to directly wear the hat or if the himari-hat can somehow heal him
then again what if he undergoes a sex change operation because the almighty penguin hat only works on girls O_O yea okay ill stop there with the weird imaginations LOL
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HiyuuT said:
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HiyuuT said:
that sex change uhh theory is interesting, ive been wondering how the other two girls in the ending song look like Shouma and Kanba; it sounds awfully bizzare if it turns out Shouma really does need a sex change but hey anything can happen i guess lol maybe they're just metaphorical representation?
You got me thinking it could be a price form in exchange for the hat to revive Shouma or heal him so that he lives.
that actually makes a whole lot more sense than a sex change operation, the question is if he needs to directly wear the hat or if the himari-hat can somehow heal him
then again what if he undergoes a sex change operation because the almighty penguin hat only works on girls O_O yea okay ill stop there with the weird imaginations LOL
Or maybe they're already immortal...

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HiyuuT said:
Yumekichi11 said:
HiyuuT said:
that sex change uhh theory is interesting, ive been wondering how the other two girls in the ending song look like Shouma and Kanba; it sounds awfully bizzare if it turns out Shouma really does need a sex change but hey anything can happen i guess lol maybe they're just metaphorical representation?
You got me thinking it could be a price form in exchange for the hat to revive Shouma or heal him so that he lives.


that actually makes a whole lot more sense than a sex change operation, the question is if he needs to directly wear the hat or if the himari-hat can somehow heal him
then again what if he undergoes a sex change operation because the almighty penguin hat only works on girls O_O yea okay ill stop there with the weird imaginations LOL
I think that the hat will heal him and he will be under its command. Most likely Himari will be the medium once again. He may become a girl when he in Survival Mode World and be normal back in the real world but regardless it will be a price to pay.

And yes it may be the hat only likes girls like the MODs in Kampfer anime series whom only choose girls to fight.

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To be honest Ringo didn't need to see Momoka die, but since Ringo seems to be the sort to slightly blame herself, and her obssessive attitude towards things and the fact she is prone to disbelief, all she needs to do is believe she attributed towards the death of Momoka, such as her actions caused an event that lead to her death, or her words caused something that made Momoka react and then perhaps of course this is unlikely HIT BY A CAR but I don't believe that scenario, what I was saying is I believe Death is something she may have seen, or at least believed she has caused, perhaps she witnessed her sister die in hospital, or saw a dead body, but either way she was able to make herself believe she was the blame in regards to her sisters death.
We don't know if she saw her dead or not but we do know she was with her a lot so when the incident happened she may have been there. There is more chance of that. She really looked like she may have been clingy to her sister, especially with the picture she had. She respected her father and sister most, which is strange because I want to know why her mother is not. Agree with your view of Ringo experiencing dead. It may have been like that of the many possibilities you wrote.
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Another reason why she could believe this is the fact that her parents argued, and her name was brought up, which since she was so young could have influenced her into believing such things.
Yes it's possible. That talk of visiting her sister while it was Ringo birthday, there could have been a mental mix up indeed.
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He didnt screw her life up actually, his situation only amplified what she wanted, which was to make everyone happy and thus become Momoka, her parents are to blame as well for arguing, also I don't think Tabuki really wanted Ringo to sleep under his house, I mean I don't think he is clincally insane or creepy.
I was leaning more towards the fact that he did jack shit to notice her around him as a love interest nor anything to even notice her doing all this stuff to him nor enough smart to notice some kind of love around Ringo towards him. In that he screwed her life by being totally ignorant towards her. He may be a flake but he should not be stupid. I think he screwed her life by being ignorant is my point.
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I do think Ringo would be a good ally, because her personality shows strength and determination, I mean she is the only person to stand up to the ALMIGHTY HAT, I think that she would be a useful asset to them, I have also been wanting Shouma x Ringo from the start, ever since Shouma saw her walk past, because I thought this is probably the default pairing.
Exactly! Ringo's not scared of the big bad hat nor of the penguins considering how she sat on the last one in last episode.
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Nah I dont think Tabuki was involved in Momoka's death or caused it anyways, well not on purpose, because of his depression, but Yuri may have who knows, perhaps she has had stalker tendencies or obssessive tendencies for Tabuki for a long time, I mean remember her attitude shift in the park episode when it was just her and Ringo :P
Exactly! Yuri could be a problem in all this and the root of Momoka's death. She has the money therefore some power to hire someone to get rid of Momoka.


First of all I'll say it's nice to have such a long discussion over something, rarely happens for me in regards to anime lol.

I do believe Ringo at least saw her dead body, because that would still invoke memories of seeing a body lying lifelessly which would bring back shock to Ringo especially if she witnesses it again (Shouma).

I think the reason Tabuki never noticed is the clear age gap, I mean I have a similar experience, I've known this person since I was like 9 and she was 3 at the time, and she is still clingy to me now I'm 18, she's 12 now, Ringo has the same age gap I think, anyways whilst the ages don't add up completely I understand Tabuki's viewpoint even if he did realise her feelings, he would number one not want to be a pedophile, and number two potentially see her as a little sister, it's not bad ignorance, it's for the best of all of them.

I think Yuri could have done something but I think she has been into Tabuki longer than we know, maybe since kids, perhaps her confidence that no-one can beat her stems from the fact that she knows she can get rid of rivals easily, either way I don't see Yuri as completely innocent, but at the same time I don't really want to see her as evil.

Question what do you think about the Opening of the anime where you see Ringo turn into flames, I've been wondering what significance that holds...

Oh and on the other subject about the Sex change thing which i've talked about as well, your idea about MOD's from Kampfer don't you think it's going a bit far, I think that more than one Survival Strategy would be going too far, though gender bender may be fun if it brings a little more comedy, I just don't want to see the entire cast changed into girls lol.


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I thought Ringo was born after Momoka's death? Or am I confusing fan speculation for reality?
That's probably my own speculation. Frankly, I'm still not sure whether Ringo was born first or Momoka died first.
I read it here but it has a question mark after it so ¯\(°_o)/¯
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Fantastic direction as always and great developments even if most of the ep focused on Stalker-tan.

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THISSS BITTCHH!!!!!
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Okay Ringo, you crazy ass bitch you have taken it waaay too far!!
She was like 10 seconds away from raping Tabuki, WHILE UNCONSCIOUS!
YOU KNOCKED HIM UNCONSCIOUS!!!D8
The whole time I just wanted to fucking slap her; I could not agree more with Shouma when he called her the craziest bitch he'd ever met.
She deserved getting her book ripped, I'm just SOOOO PIISSEDDDDD she had to put Shou in danger! OH BITCH I SWEAR IF YOU KILL MY FAVORITE CHARACTER I WILL BE SO DAMN ANGRY///

Don't pull a Blood-C on us please.

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Or maybe they're already immortal...



I lol'd.
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Question what do you think about the Opening of the anime where you see Ringo turn into flames, I've been wondering what significance that holds...
Pirokinesis power given by the Penguins? Now that would be one Fantastic Four add on except it's a human torch female version. Well if she could fly and be like Human Torch then even Natsume can't do jack shit, well even normal Pirokinesis can burn those balls of hers.
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Oh and on the other subject about the Sex change thing which I’ve talked about as well, your idea about MOD's from Kampfer don't you think it's going a bit far,
No and don't you think you should think maybe based on the chicken with the eggs?
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I think that more than one Survival Strategy would be going too far, though gender bender may be fun if it brings a little more comedy, I just don't want to see the entire cast changed into girls lol.
I think it would be an amazing feature itself to see more survival Strategy but most of all other factions that are not Penguins.

I had this sudden idea that this show might be about Super High Beings being cute little furies like Penguins and wage war between themselves with the only human in it and able to see them are in fact those who are on their side, which does make sense since Ringo never saw any of those penguins,. Regardless it would be interesting to see if it goes in that way.

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