JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken Part 8: JoJolion Chapter 53 Discussion

SzJ said:
I hope they will animate this (please, based David Production) because I can't wait for an adaptation that will get rid of all these plot holes lol

TheMaster100 said:
Possible plot hole ? (Wouldn't be surprised since it's Araki who we're talking about). Then again I'll wait for the following chapters to see if Araki will depict the scenes following up to the trio taking their photo/Kira being killed by Yotsuyu and the surfer dude eating his own fingers. Also that person who appeared in the flashback back on Chapter 5/6.

Stark700 said:


They will probably animate every series eventually. I recall seeing some ADs about this before but it will be quite long a way before we get to Jojolion.

OverkilledRed said:


The photo thing will probably be a plot hole without any explanation, really. But the whole thing with the surfer is implied that has already happened, kinda.

Didn't Yotsuyu say he killed the man who fused with Kira (Josefumi)? It's not completely wrong, but yeah, not what he really implied there.

JoJolion is so messed up. Araki can't be consistent at all with the plot and any kind of foreshadowing or something said early on will turn up to be something totally different. It's still JoJo, with a lot of creativity in the fights and some fun characters, also the relationship between Kira and Josefumi was really well done, but dude get your shit straight.

Modernoir said:

I wouldn't say Araki isn't consistent, there's plenty of time in the part for a lot of mysteries to be solved.
As for Karera and the photo, that simply could have happened off-screen, when Kira asks Josefumi about who she is anyways, he's not flat-out asking about her, moreso he's asking why she's stalking Josefumi, so it could be interpreted that she's hanged with the group before specifically to be with Josefumi.
Also, Sasame eating off his fingers could have happened after Kira scared him out of that restaurant, it's not a plothole, it simply is a detail that happened that hasn't been visualized.
Yotsuyu saying he killed Josefumi with Kira being the one to save Josefumi could all be from his perspective, not what actually happened. Kira DID save Josefumi from Damo and Yotsuyu, but Yotsuyu didn't witness whether it was Josefumi or Kira who bodied the Aphex Twins, so he could've interpreted that it was Kira who did all the saving.
Also, Yotsuyu saying he was the one to kill Josuke was simply him trying to scare Josuke, he was technically right because Kira and Josefumi did get crushed under rocks to form the equivalent exchange.
There aren't really any plotholes, there's details that can be interpreted from smaller things/scenes that have been said/done, just because they're not outright shown does not mean that they're a plothole. Araki's been very consistent this whole part.
As for the man in the flashback? I have a knack we'll see him this chapter to wrap up the flashback complete.y

OverkilledRed said:


Sorry, but I think you're just filling the gaps in the most convinient way. Araki is well known for this kind of thing and you can see how a lot of things changed in a dramatic way.

Kira is clearly asking who is Karera, because he asks Josefumi: "have you noticed her?", so he doesn't have any clue about who she is.

About Sasame, I just think that it doesn't make sense for him to eat his own fingers and says that Kira somehow convinced him. We just saw Kira scarring him off because he hated him and that's it.

I don't think that was what Yotsuyu meant, but I guess you are free to argue about that. To me, it seems really strange for him to say that if it wasn't what he meant.

"There aren't really any plotholes" is not something meant for a manga like JoJo. What about Kyou saying Kira's stand was a version of Killer Queen with bubbles? What about Tsurugi first appearance as a baby and the whole subplot with his age later? Like I said, a lot of things just changed, without no explanation. Araki just likes to make things as he goes. And, really, I'm just used to it now.

Modernoir said:

I'll give you the Karera one but, convenient as it is, it can work as an explanation. Or you could go with the idea she just photoshopped herself into a photo of those two because of how much of a stalker she is.
And about Sasame, he's a pathetic lowlife of a man, and we're talking about JoJo here, a series where a lot of things are blown out of proportion or exaggerated. Him eating his own fingers because of Kira taunting and threatening the hell out of him isn't unrealistic in the same series where a man who lives on a transmission tower has a swiss army knife in his calluses. Plus, it's clear Kira has been screwing with Sasame for a long time, as shown by how scared Sasame is when he sees Kira.
Also, Yotsuyu is a scummy type of guy, Gappy notes it himself, shown by how he took Yasuho as a hostage and how he tried to convince Tsurugi to rat him out. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he'd twist the truth of Josuke's death to intimidate him by claiming he's responsible.
Also, Kira's Killer Queen using bubbles isn't a plot hole, in fact, it's demonstrated in the chapter where he bumps into Sasame again before he notices Josefumi. He puts a bubble in Sasame's lip before Sasame runs off.
And Tsurugi's age was retconned, it's not a plothole, it's just something that was changed (Arguably for the better too.) Plus honestly I wouldn't start calling shots saying Araki's being inconsistent at this point in time, he was pretty consistent in SBR and JJL isn't even finished yet. It's a shot but we have yet to know more about Karera in the part, the photo thing could be explained.