Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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worldeditor11 said: This show is getting more stupid by each passing episode. Or maybe it's just outsmarting you ? :3 |
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Well, I have yet to see one stupid thing in RnY in 6 volumes. And I guarantee you that I'm attentive to that kind of thing and quickly pissed off when things are stupid. So if you're thinking there's stupid things, there's good chance you're being outsmarted by the author. |
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worldeditor11 said: I am not talking about the LN, I am talking about the anime itself. Anything else is irrelevant. Zefyris said: And I guarantee you that I'm attentive to that kind of thing and quickly pissed off when things are stupid. Yeah yeah whatever. You being more attentive or possessing a supposedly higher intelligence than your average watcher doesn't mean your opinion is more validated compared to others. Zefyris said: So if you're thinking there's stupid things, there's good chance you're being outsmarted by the author. Hell, I hope so. There's two episodes left and I am not motivated enough to complete the anime at this point. Why did Adlet panicked when it comes to defending his innocence but not when under trial for disrupting a holy tournament which he might be executed for doing so? Why did the door to the shrine open up despite not being damaged from the explosives Adlet planted in any way? Why did nobody suspect something is up with the shapeshifting Fiend? Why was the Bunny girl so weak during the fight with the fiends? Why did the Bunny girl panicked despite being a Brave and winner of the fighting tournament? Why did the Bunny girl turn into a psycho upon knowing they were being trapped inside the shrine? Why did no one suspect the Bunny girl despite being the weakest and the most unstable out of the bunch? Why did nobody suspect Goldov despite his flimsy motivations to serve the Bunny girl and not defeating the Demon God? What if he fake it just to be with the Bunny Girl, why did nobody considered this? And how is the fake existence even a problem in the first place? As why is it a problem when the extra can never enter the Demon God's land? Then why did nobody suggested to go into the Demon God's Land together as an undeniable proof which is the fake, as the fake will die upon setting foot into the Land for not receiving Goddess Blessing? Even though the fake collaborate with the Demon God, he/she is not a threat as long as 6 vs 1 or everybody went on their way scenario? Why are they so gung-ho about killing the culprit instead of getting out of the place? Why did the Gorilla Woman despite being a leader, think that suspecting everybody and undergo a witch hunt is the best course of action for the group? Why did the Braves determine it was more important to kill the extra instead of fulfilling their primary objective, which was to beat the Demon God? Have the Gorilla Woman or any of the Braves ever considered the consequences of killing a fellow Brave, thus jeopardising the whole mission of beating Demon God thing? Why did the Gorilla Woman lied about Adlet seriously injuring Hans? Why did nobody suspect the Gorilla Woman being the fake? Why didn't Hans performed his hallucination technique on the puking slime girl during their battle? Why did Hans want to kill Adlet despite not being paid to do so? Why did the Goddess split her power into six and grant them to humans? What sort of criterias that make them to become one of the Braves? Why are the Braves more interested in killing humans rather than killing Fiends? Is the Demon God even a threat to these people? Why is nobody thinking about the Demon God? Why is the Demon God even relevant? Who the heck is Demon God in the first place? Is the Demon God a joke? And why the heck is Flamie not wearing proper clothes? Not that I am complaining but I am hoping for even less clothing for her bottom part and you know, more bounce. woops, forgot to answer that. It seems like you really didn't follow properly the story , looking at some of your questions. There's stuff I cannot answer here due to it being episode 10 thread though. I can answer it by PM if you want, because all of them have logical answers; but be warned that if i answer everything her,e you're going to get massive spoilers from the novels if you one day decide to read them. 1) Because he a) was guilty anyway so no need to defend himself b) did that while knowing what would happen and knowing that getting the crest would make him out of jail anyway (note that he wasn't as sure of himself of getting the crest as he was pretending, hence the reaction after getting the crest) c) for episode 5, he has absolutely no way to get out of the accusation, an accusation that would lead not to an arrest but to death, and an accusation that he didn't see coming, and there's all reason in the world to panic here. 2) When the seal is broken in one way or another (by the key, or by a tremendous force, like his home made bombs) the door will open and will not be able to be closed again. The seal doesn't have any other way to be than the on/off possibilities. The seal was strong enough to absorb the shock of the bomb, but not enough to destroy the door after breaching the seal. Not that this particular point doesn't matter. If the door were damaged by the bombs as well, they would still have opened, just damaged. If the doors didn't open after the seal being broken, nothing would have stopped adlet to simply PUSH them since the seal was broken, nothing could hold them into place either way. The bomb didn't affect the doors, they affected the seal covering the whole building, from the saint of seal. 3)While the existence of a monkey-type of fiend was confirmed by Chamo, no one can confirm anything else there about Adlet's story of shapeshifting and how he was tricked in opening the door. If there is no way to explain the trap triggering except with Adlet triggering it himself, then there's no point with that stor yabout him being tricked, as he's just lying. If he's a traitor allied with fiends, asking a shapeshifting fiend to run away for his alibi is easy, too. 4) Actually she isn't. the first time she experienced the -very common IRL - anxiety /fear during her first real death battle (as all she did before was tournament battles and training, with no one really trying to kill her during it) with he fiends. Even so, she killed as much fiends as Adlet during that first battle DESPITE suffering from that kind of thing. Most soldiers experiencing it aren't going to be able to do well at all, yet she still did that much. After the first battle, she isn't experiencing that anymore. Note that the battle against the fiend when she was with Goldof doesn't exist in the novels. Instead, you see her ALONE fighting a powerful talking fiend, and killing it. Afterwards, she talk to herself saying how stupid it was to be afraid at her first battle, that fiends aren't anything special after all. This is the only scene that was changed in the anime btw, and was wrong to be changed. Still, even in the anime, in the forest afterwards, she kills more fiends than anyone else, talk about being weak. She is a back row caster type anyway. Meaning, in the party you put the tank in front and have her dealing massive amount of area of effect damage. Is the mage in the back row unleashing tons of spell weak? I don't think so. 5)explained above. First real battle to the death. Soldiers IRL experience this jsut the same. Don't forget she's a princess AND a revered Saint. Since she learned how to fight, not a single person attempted to fight her without the respect for those points (especially the saint part) so she was never exposed to any opponent with "killing intent" either. 6) explained later. 7) Because a) She's not the weakest at all? If the anomaly "Chamo" wasn't alive, she would be the strongest Saint alive right now. Chamo is an exception, usually the strongest saints are about Nashetania's level. Nashetnaia has an extremely high mastery of her own power. Just because you're a saint doesn't mean that you can do everything the previous same saint could do, and doesn't mean that you'll have the accuracy/precision/whatever either, no matter how much you train/ raise your faith. Foor example Mora was truly disappointed with the current Saint of Fire. Saints of fire are potentially really strong in battle due to the nature of their power, but the current saint of Fire's abilities are very low. She doesn't have enough faith, doesn't have any talent. b) in all the suspicion going on, one thing that is to take in account is the number of peoples that knows you from before the events. Nashetania is actually the person that is personally related to the highest number of Rokka. Goldof (bodyguard), Adlet (travelled together), Mora (was trained by her, and she's above her in hierarchy as wel las responsible for her), Chamo (trained together). She's also famous enough to be well known by the remaining two. c) she's actually being suspected. Not just as openly. 8) He's suspected. Peoples focusing on Adlet doesn't mean that they're being blind about other possibilities. But what you said would not become a reason to be a fake btw. Because that would not explain the trap, where clearly fiends were used. Allying with fiends doesn't go well with protecting the princess. Trying to have the rokka killing each other doesn't work either, and not having a real crest would mean him dying before going in the enemy territory, so not protecting anything when it matters. No matter who betrayed, the betrayal isn't for some small reason like "wanting to be along side the princess he loves". 9) The fake isn't the problem. I'm surprised you din't understand this as it was clearly explained. The problem is, they're trapped. And only the FAKE knows how to escape that trap. No one else knows. So they need to find the fake because if they don't they're just stuck and CANNOT do their mission. They can't get out of the mist barrier as long as the fake doesn't deactivate it or do not die. 10) Again, that should have been clear. If you haven't understood this, obviously you'll find lots of behaviour stupid/illogical. ->Because they're not in the demon land right now. And they cannot go into it until they're free from the trap, which require finding the fake. 11) same as above. They would have done it if they weren't TRAPPED. the whole problem is that they're TRAPPED. It's not that they aren't willign to go, it's that they CANNOT go. 12) the trap and the suspicion IS the threat. And that's huge. If the rokak kill each other, the strength of the fake doesn't matter at all. But yes, you're correct in one thing : if they weren't trapped, they would have decided to go to the demon land and just watch each other carefully while doing their mission. Contrary to what you're thinking , that story is extremely logical and everyone acts with their own logic. If no barrier, then they're going in. The problem is, they're being forced to stop and search for the fake without doing this, because of the barrier. 13) As said above, because except if the fake deactivate the barrier, the only other way is to have the person who activated the barrier (IE, the fake/traitor) being killed. They want to resume their mission, and that's why they're gun ho about killing the fake. 14)pass. She has two really good reasons to act that way, on top of what I explained above, so yes she has reasons. 15)explained above. You should really have understood that by episode 5, btw. 16) they have. Some don't care for specific reasons, other don't want it to happen. And in some specific case, this may actually be good for them that one die, so yeah. 17) In order to stop Nashetania's and Fremy's hesitation, as well as any potential Rokka being convinced by Adlet and switching side like Hans did. And bring both nashetania and Goldof (who is kept in check by Nashetania) to finally stop being against killing Adlet. In other words, to corner Adlet before he can convince more peoples and to avoid having other rokka fighting each others as a result of those convincing? Or maybe she's just the fake. 18) As the head of the saints, she's basically the Pope of that world. She's the freaking pope. The most revered, the most respected person in that world. Especiall ysince in that world, saints receive powers from the gods, so no one can contest the fact that they are god's chosen. And she is the top of them all in hierarchy. Several peoples in the rokka have known her for years, and even among the many "pope" that preceded her, few were as respected as her. She's hard working, talented, very knowledgeable, very serious about her role, and so on. Normal people's opinion about Mora is usually this "the world is lucky to have such a head of saint in a period of demon god's awakening". But some peoples are actually suspecting her, just as well. Just... Not as openly. 19) He said it himself. he doesn't think she's a potential fake. Chamo would make a frightening fake, but Hans doesn't think that she has what it takes to deceive peoples like that. Also, he wasn't really ina position to use it either. I mean, he was basically "launched " toward her without being able to properly step or anything. He pretty much collided with her xD 20) a) He's paid to defeat the demon god and the fake is in the way. b) he was actually trying to interrogate Adlet, because he isn't sure he's the fake. If he really tried to kill Adlet, Adlet would have been killed. Instead, his dagger didn't kill him, and afterwards, he does everything to be left alone in the place where Adlet will most probably appear. So that he can subdue him and then interrogate him, which is actually does in the beginning of episode 8. c) Hans' personality. He's actually enjoying a lot the idea of fighting/hunting very strong opponents. 21) It was explained. It's not the goddess. It's the saint of One flower who left her power afterwards like that. And because she may not have enough power for mroe than 6 while still being effective, and less than 6 is obviously not as good as 6 ? 22) It was explained. Proving your abilities in front of one of the goddess of fate's statues, which are linked to the saint of one flower's crest system, being at least half human, as well as not being on the fiend's side (that last part is more supposed than proved btw). Basically it's the 6 strongest warriors/saints among those who proved their worth in front of one of those statues. 23) they are not, as explained above. 24) demon god fully awakened = end of humanity. Does that sound enough of a threat to you? 25) They are. That's why they're so hastily trying to get outt of that barrier so that they can resume their mission. This is a timed mission, every day counts. 26) Does that really needs an answer by now? 27) That's a good question. But pass, obviously. 28) Was that a joke attempt? 29) She never lived in any human community tho. She's only half human too. How much clothes does fiends (where she lived) usually wear?. Also, it doesn't seem really that uncommon, considering that Goldof pretty much have the same thing. Although, by the way, in the original design for Fremy's clothes, she has a leather strap on the side. Look at the first novel's cover illustration : So if wondering how it doesn't slip, well, like that. It doesn't bounce because this isn't an ecchi oriented novel at all, maybe. |
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worldeditor11 said: Really? You should read it then. Because the last part isn't what you think it is at all.Zefyris, I really appreciate what you did in answering most of my questions, but I just can't be bothered with the anime anymore. Nor the LN despite me being an avid LN reader. The last episode kills it. Even though it did explain a bunch of questions I have here, I didn't get the "Wow, so smart. Totally never expect that" vibe. And then the last bit. Yeah, a big nope. Thanks though. |
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| Not sure if Adlet was serious when he confessed to Flamie. It would've been cool though if he was. And honestly I was surprised because I expected Nachetanya to be his love interest. Bleached blonde hair, big tits and rabbit-ears and all. And she's the first female Brave to be introduced. Very typical as main heroine. But anyway, it's only logical for Flamie to further suspect Adlet more. They only met yesterday and now Adlet is saying he's in love with her, a Brave-killer and a half-fiend at that. And she's holding him at gunpoint. It's only rational to think that this is more of a desperate move to take her to his side. It was a wrong move but at least it all worked out in the end. I always suspected that Nahetanya might be fucked in the head. Now my suspicions are confirmed |
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| I have nothing against Fremy, but Adlet x Nashe is the main ship. I'm always open to a harem relationship. My waifu had a bit of a crazy moment again but she calmed down. Maura looking so fine trying to kill Adlet. No. Nashe is trying to kill her lover. Open her eyes Adlet. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
dafckingman said: The story up to this point has been disappointing. I went into this expecting heroes doing heroic things fighting the demon god and doing other smart things. Instead we get a bunch of gullible idiots who are either downright stupid or tried very hard to not believe the good guys and they would take everything the bad guys say as fact to life. It's the classic tv trope of heroes being extremely stupid and the villain only has to do a little something or say a few words then everyone would be in his palm. It's both annoying and frustrating to watch. The fact that you didn't manage to understand their motivation to act like this doesn't mean they're stupid. As a matter of fact, most of them are intelligent to very intelligent. Also, what you're watching is the PROLOGUE of the story. in most "epic story" you're talking about, the main party would probably not even be gathered right now, let alone fighting demon god or whatever. |
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dafckingman said: Zefyris said: Also, what you're watching is the PROLOGUE of the story. in most "epic story" you're talking about, the main party would probably not even be gathered right now, let alone fighting demon god or whatever. Fair Point. I'm looking forward to the actual "Epic Story". Considering how this season was more of a detective theme though, it's going to be quite a shift for the anime to turn into a full on action anime Zefyris said: The fact that you didn't manage to understand their motivation to act like this doesn't mean they're stupid. As a matter of fact, most of them are intelligent to very intelligent. I will admit that Princess being the 7th surprised me. Totally thought it was Mora since she was willing to lie to the whole mountain. I thought she was smarter than that. A lot of it made more sense when you consider the fact that princess was the 7th and not Mora Mora isn't among the smartest half (would be adlet, hans and nashetania) of the heroes as she's probably around the middle of the bunch. She is, however, far from being dumb as well. Above average for a human on that point, I guess? Although her strong points are elsewhere. As for why she did that, she had good reasons to do it. |
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| I'm glad he confessed to Flamie and not to the Princess. The princess is so Gullible and a pyscho at it because she barely spend that much time outside in the real world to experience trickery and now she's experiencing it now but over a lie. I loved how he proved her to not be the culprit just so Maura wouldn't go after her next after his death. |
| Really, we have the main character straight up confess to a girl without turning it into some stupid awkward moment? Am I still watching anime? Is this real life, or just a fantasy? I also love how the anime focuses on the quiet, heartless type girl instead of the hopelessly in love bunny girl you'd expect it to. The only thing I'm fearing is that we won't get to see the battle against the Demon King if things keep moving at this pace. :( |
RafaelDeJongh said: Quite some character development fluxuations! That confession also was unexpected. Pretty general unexpected development if you ask me but in general I do wonder what will happen next. not so much cause the way he looked at her when he first so her (before she so him), it was like love at first sight, he had that look Fireego said: Adlet confesses to Fremy, but that's a pretty harsh way to reject someone, isn't it? Mora was about to finish off Adlet. And even almost dying, Adlet still proves Fremy innocent. If that's not fucking love, I don't know what is. So you go and believe him, Fremy! Nashetania, on the other hand, is going to be a problem. she din't reject him, she was just fighting with herself (to trust him or not & she didn't want to trust him but she did, trust/believe) & he so trough her |
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| The princess has completely lost it. Honestly I think it's either the princess or Maura. |
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| Adlet, Hans and Flemie. Everybody else can fuck off. |
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Rob said: I have nothing against Fremy, but Adlet x Nashe is the main ship. I'm always open to a harem relationship. My waifu had a bit of a crazy moment again but she calmed down. Maura looking so fine trying to kill Adlet. No. Nashe is trying to kill her lover. Open her eyes Adlet. Reckon Nashe is going to have split personality and that is the 7th. Remember she smashed up the podium in the temple. |
| Arrrghhh so much tension ! Fremy x Adlet = total win, I still believe that Nachetanya is the seventh |
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| Adlet may have confessed and though Fremy wasn't really into it in the beginning, she really did get towards the end. But for some reason I don't think he's genuine, I mean he's the kind of man who can stoop to any kind of means(not a bad thing) to get his things done. Though if they're genuine, then of course Adlet x Fremy FTW. Now Mora seems to be a bit too obvious suspect after this episode, though I'll still consider that possibility. For Nashetania, I always knew she had a screw loose, so her coming full yandere in the end didn't surprise me much. Either Nashetania or Mora. If it isn't them, then I'd really feel down lol. Best episode btw yet. |
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| What a confession. A surprise to me, considering it wasn't obvious Adlet liked Fremy to that extent before. There were subtle hints, so I can see why it was done now rather than later, especially considering the situation. Also, seems all the girls turned crazy. They all coincidentally on their period at the same time? |
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| Holy shit, what a horrible episode. These characters are all so fucking dumb, I don't even know where to start. I don't get why people like Flamie, Adlet saves her ass 1000 times and she still tries to kill him for no reason, dumb bitch. If Maura isn't the seventh, she really should never open her mouth again if they manage to survive this. Just lying to people to convince them to kill someone is the lowest low. Chamot by all means should've been killed by now, she's just a nuisance at this point. If Nachetanya isn't the seventh, it makes no sense for her to just believe Maura like that, unless she's really, really retarded. The guys are also pretty dumb in their own way, but the girls really take the cake in this show. I guess it's good that this show stops after one season, because they defeating anyone afterwards would be completely unbelievable. |
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