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Also I'll give you these for you to read and to show other J-pop fandom:
In 2011, former Morning Musume leader, Ai Takahashi called for J-pop to be globalized and she cited K-pop success in Asia. Ask them what were international J-pop fandom doing when she said that and why no action was done at the same when she made the announcement.
Show them the Itunes US created a K-pop genre
Soompi article
Koreaboo article
Ask your fellow J-pop fans why did they didn't raise hell when K-pop got it's own genre on US Itunes, and demanded J-pop to get the same. Why did they stood silent when this was announced.
If you do this, then it'll help me (and you) to get to the bottom of the mystery why J-pop's international fandom just decline and may explain why many K-pop's former J-pop fans just never went back to J-pop.
No we're talking about international J-pop fans. Not the one in Korea. So I hope this clear up. Yes there still some tension between Korea and Japan over some issues. But I do see a lot of anti-Korean sentiment building up in Japan for the last few years because of the Korean Wave.
So why are there K-pop fans slowly branching out to Taiwanese Pop? I even seen some that are branching out to Thai pop. Both of them are more niche then J-pop yet they get some form of acceptance from western fans.
South Korea has some weird stuff too (not as weird as Japan though). Like do you know the stereotype about dog meat consumption in South Korea. Long time ago South Korea used to get that much negative publicity all over the world over dog meat. After K-pop and K-dramas got popular around the world, the dog meat consumption thing started to get out of people mind.
It doesn't explain how K-pop group like I.O.I and WSJN/Cosmic Girls got accepted by international fans. They're both "mega" idol group, and yet AKB48 doesn't get accepted by western audiences while K-pop equivalent got accepted. Does this mean if AKB48 was a Korean and not Japanese idol group, would that made a big difference?
That is true and I don't disagree with you. I mean I don't see J-pop interacting with international fanbases like their Korean counterpart does:
That's what make it different from J-pop. They take their international fanbases seriously.
Also there is one thing that bother me. If accessibility was an issue, why didn't international J-pop fans raise hell online when J-pop got blocked on Youtube. I mean that's what K-pop fans did in 2013. I never seen J-pop fans around the world didn't do this:
K-pop fandom worldwide unite to do this back in 2013. Why didn't J-pop fans around the world do the same when J-pop on YT got blocked?
Regarding J-pop fandom, long time they had the same rabid mentality like K-pop fandom has today, I mean look at this:
2009 article: J-Pop/Showbiz Male Idol Fan Girls are the WORSE…
Even now, there are remnant of J-pop fans that want J-pop to get the same global recognition like K-pop are getting.
Then they discovered KPOP idol groups, which focused more on mature and cool concepts, which probably reminded them (whether they realized it or not) of western music; the music they grew up on and are ultimately most used too.
But there are K-pop groups that do cute concept or concept that look similar to J-pop like for example:
And yet these girl groups from Korea got a lot of international fanbases more then any J-pop girl group got.
I can understand the dance choreography being a lot better then J-pop. I can agree the music videos have better production value then their Japanese counterpart. But it doesn't answer the question why K-pop fans are slowly branching out to Taiwanese music despite Taiwanese music isn't as attractive like J-pop or K-pop.
I think accessibility is the main issue why J-pop never grew. Also there's been accusation J-pop fans made against K-pop fans of bias and double standard. I mean for example, they accuse fans of K-pop of not accepting AKB48 yet accept their K-pop counterpart. I mean for example, they only accept these big girl group:
But these same K-pop fans are branching out to K-indies, K Hip-Hop, and other aspect of K-music too. I read it on a AramaJapan article that J-pop/J-music suffer from lack of unity, and I'll quote:
Now that we have Dempagumi.inc as the Japanese representative, what do we do? Do we vote for them, or not?
I’ve noticed here and on other sites people saying that they have no plan to vote for Dempagumi.inc because they don’t like them and / or because they give Japanese music a bad image. But shouldn’t this be something Japanese music fans rally behind? I mean, KPop fans do this all the time. They’ll vote for an act they’re not a fan of simply to further the KPop cause. This is how Big Bang won Best Worldwide Act at the 2011 MTV EMA. This is how Girls’ Generation won Best Music Video at the YouTube Music Awards in 2013.
People often talk about how Japanese music fans internationally aren’t unified, since there are so many kinds of Japanese music that we consume. What do an Ayumi Hamasaki fan and an ONE OK ROCK fan have in common besides them both being Japanese? What do a Sakanaction fan and an AKB48 fan have in common besides them both being Japanese? But should we get over this thinking?
Do you agree with this article? I mean this lead to another question: Why didn't J-rock fan branch out to J-pop? Why didn't J-pop fans branch out to J-rock? And yet there are many K-pop fans that branch out to K-indies, K Hip-Hop, and other K-music, so what the hack was going on within the J-pop/J-music fandom?
Those whatever I said need to be addressed? And I can't find anyone that can answer these questions I asked.
Reason #1: accessibility issues, I mean look at these:
J-pop's accessbility
ANN'a Answerman: Why is it so tough to buy Japanese digital media downloads?
I was told the issues of international accessibility of J-pop was the reason why J-pop lack the same global popularity like K-pop. Taiwanese music is accessible and you can find their MVs on Youtube (although you'll need to know Chinese to search for their official MVs).
Reason #2: I was told that J-pop PVs/MVs was too weird to be accepted by western audiences.
I was told that from several J-pop fans the MVs/PVs from J-pop was too weird to be accepted to be western audiences. But this doesn't make sense, I watch a lot of K-pop MVs that are weird too and yet they got accepted in the west. I found some of them to "out-weird" J-pop I mean for example:
I mean you can watch this one:
So if the weirdest K-pop MV got accepted by international audiences, then why did J-pop didn't?
Reason #3: K-pop fans not being open-minded to other Asian pop
OK, I was told by several J-pop fans that K-pop aren't open-minded to other Asian pop. But this doesn't make sense to me because many K-pop fans used to be former J-pop fans themselves and they never went back to J-pop. As I already stated, there are K-pop fans that are slowly branching out to Taiwanese music but why not branch out to J-pop is completely beyond me. I could argue J-pop's accessibility could be the big issue.
But it still a mystery why these former J-pop fans turned K-pop fans never went back to J-pop after they became K-pop fans. So what do you think? Why do you think J-pop international fanbases just never grew to the same size as K-pop fandom?
I know it's really frustrating. But that's why such a group is needed because there's really no more active JPOP only forums so we need a place to socialize with each other.
I know and I understand. What really baffle is me why K-pop fans won't branch out to J-pop. I mean I'm seeing evidence of K-pop fans slowly branching out to Taiwanese music (this is probably due to the rising popularity of Taiwanese dramas). I asked around and fans of J-pop are baffled by this too. They don't know why many K-pop fans won't branch out.
Here's the thing that also baffle me: When many J-pop fans branch out to K-pop, a lot of them never went back to J-pop.
I don't know why these former J-pop fans never bother to introduce J-pop to current K-pop fans. I mean what is turning off K-pop fans from becoming fans of J-pop when they're slowly starting to accept Taiwanese music. I mean Taiwanese music is not as attractive like Korean or Japanese music, but yeah.