| And I'll begin with a breaking news: OJ Mayo is a Mav!!! Starters: From Haywood, Nowitzki, Marion, Carter, Kidd, Terry to Kaman, Nowitzki, Marion, Mayo, Collison, Brand They got younger, and better too. Not to mention the bench is still quite potent with Brand. |
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| i have the sudden urge to play 2k12 |
| My Guitar Covers: Playlist I CAN ALWAYS SHOW MY EVERYTHING TO YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUU |
| my wizards will finally be in playoff contention wahooooo |
Ambalamps said: Hornets 2011-2012 starters to 2012-2013 starters: Pg- Jack Sg- Vasquez (Gordon with a strained vagina for 95% of the season) Sf- Ariza Pf- Landry C- Kaman to Pg- Vasquez Sg- Gordon Sf- Aminu Pf- Davis C- Anderson with Rivers off the bench spelling Pg/Sg. Hell of a difference a year makes. We will still be bad, but at least in the best way. Lots of excitement but also the possibility of a really high lottery pick again. 1-6 all under 24. Going to be a really young team. Hell yeah baby. Give us a year or two and we gunna start making some NOIIISEEE |
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| I can see how Mayo going to the Mavs can work. Brings youth to the team. From rumors that I heard, Knicks are eyeing on Grant Hill and Lakers eyeing on Antawn Jamison. |
baboon said: @entropy .. how are the Mavs with rookies? Asking because I think Jae Crowder is going to fit very well with that team coming off the bench. Was a hard worker at Marquette, a little undersized but he does everything. Crowder is the most promising among the rookies, James improved a bit, and Cunningham is yet to play. |
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entropy13 said: And I'll begin with a breaking news: OJ Mayo is a Mav!!! Starters: From Haywood, Nowitzki, Marion, Carter, Kidd, Terry to Kaman, Nowitzki, Marion, Mayo, Collison, Brand They got younger, and better too. Not to mention the bench is still quite potent with Brand. They got younger, and better indeed, but they are still a 5th to 8th seed in the west from my point of view. As a Mav's fan I would say that ultimately this off season was still a failure. Regardless of the difficulty of being able to predict where a player will go (D. Will), when you set out with certain goals in mind and you don't reach those goals, it's a failure. That being said, I do like the Mayo acquisition. Don't overrate him though. He's a great bench player and a decent mid-high level SG, but he's still very young and VERY inconsistent. It'll be interesting to see how he matures. I like the team overall. If Collosin's last season was just a bump in the road (11.5 pts, 6 assist, 40% shooting @ 32 mpg), then he's a good NBA level PG. Kaman provides scoring from the center position, but he doesn't really have a lot of defensive tenacity, and tends to get pushed around a lot. Brand and Mayo have tremendous talent, as well as tremendous inconsistency. It will be interesting to see how it all works together. |
| ESPN is saying Cavs are back int Howard to LA talks. Hope this shit just ends. Would be great if it happened today...since it's the anniversary of Shaq signing in LA. Bucher said the trade could look like this LA < Howard/Richardson CLE < Bynum/Duhon ORL < Varejao/multiple 1sts from CLE  ---- http://mybspn.com/top-10-nba-boardgames/ |
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| Is anyone else really depressed at what the NBA is starting to look like? 3-4 super power teams that are the only contenders, a bunch of mediocre teams, and a few terrible teams. Where it used to be that you only needed 1 superstar to be a contender, you now need 2 or 3. |
| Why won't you have an issue with that though? The issue isn't that Davis is going to leave. The issue is that every player after him will. As in, the Hornets as an organization, given the current nature of the league, will never win a championship. Teams are no longer "rebuilding", unless you want to justify that as a perpetual state. It's a cycle that many teams in the league are currently finding impossible to escape from. Sure, there are rare situations where a team drafts ridiculously well, like OKC and SA, but how often is that going to happen? Ultimately it's the teams with the most assets that will continue to gain assets, and that's the problem I have with it. What is the whole point of a draft? To give the better players to the worse off teams, so that they can rebuild AROUND that player, not simply give that player up after five years. There are always going to be winners and losers in sports. The problem I have with the NBA is that, unlike MLB, NFL, etc., there are literally only three of four teams each year that I can honestly say has a shot at the NBA championship. You know how easy it was to predict this years finals? Literally every person I talked to either said OKC v Heat, or OKC v Bulls. It's a joke. |
| LOL at Ambalamps, completely ignoring the only two teams that have made the playoffs in all of the seasons of the 21st Century thus far, and have actually become champions in that period too. And they're also both from the same state. |
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Ambalamps said: Neither of the 2 have anything to do with my point about teams that rebuilt through smart moves and the draft that were complete shit recently. They were both established last I checked. I think 7 (??) Finals appearances between the two would have made that obvious. They also had more than 1 established star and a superstar. So yes, LOL at me. Indeed, LOL at you then. How the f**k did Spurs get the first pick overall if they didn't suck pre-1998? WTF did the Mavs do that took them from perennial 20-win seasons of the 90s to perennial playoff team of the 2000s? One team had Popovich-Buford as GMs, Buford became the GM when Popovich became exclusively the head coach. Donnie Nelson is one of the longest serving GMs right now, and it looks like they've found the right coach with Rick Carlisle now. They got Duncan and Dirk through the Draft (technically Dirk was drafted by the Bucks and traded to the Mavs at draft day), Parker, Josh Howard, Ginobili were drafted, other key players were traded for or signed as FAs. You mention teams like the Grizzlies and OKC like they were the only ones that were able to "turn things around". You also imply "longevity" in management but then ignore those two Texas teams altogether. And IIRC the longest-serving current coaches right now are Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers, and Rick Carlisle. I guess Boston needs a mention as well since Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers made some good moves to win a championship and was able to snag Rondo. |
entropy13Jul 19, 2012 12:11 AM
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Ambalamps said: Recently Even if you limit it to your shortsighted time frame, Memphis and OKC doesn't really count as "complete shit", unless you are now conveniently forgetting that Pau Gasol made the Grizzlies good, and the Sonics were still good before they left for OKC. |
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Ambalamps said: I don't have an issue with guys leaving to go where they want. I do have an issue with there only being a handful of teams though. Most major sports are the same way but basketball is much worse with so few guys on the court that they make such a big difference. A lot of it has to do with horrible management in the past though. There used to be more teams but people are too impatient with coaches and young guys. Teams like Detroit, Washington, Sac are horrible now because they have some shitty people at the top running them into the ground. I think it just takes a few more really savvy, young gms to turn it around so long as they have the assets. Look at the Grizzlies and OKC. You have to be patient, smart, and lucky to get this right. Draft well and sign/let guys go intelligently. Sadly there aren't many guys like that currently. A lot of these teams just recycle the same bad management and coaches (see Doug Collins). The League needs to get contracts under control as well. Fully guaranteed and all these mediocre players getting the max is killing the NBA. The lockout accomplished nothing. About the only thing they have right is the rookie contracts. The lottery is a horrible idea. Worst should be 1st. I agree, and that is exactly where my argument somewhat falls apart. Isn't that depressing in and of itself though? That some GM's are SUBSTANTIALLY better than others. This would be where I would queue my hate for the Rockets GM, Daryl Morey, but I feel like I've already done a lifetimes worth of that (srsly though if we don't get Howard and the Lakers do I'm going to start flipping tables). On the topic of contracts, I agree as well. Just listing out a few of the contracts this off season for what I would term "mid-tier" players is ridiculous. The most recent of which, a $44 million 4 year deal for McGee, is a prime example. I'm not so sure about the lottery. I've heard convincing arguments for both sides of the argument from several analysts, but I tend to agree with you here as well. The argument for it though is that, unlike other sports, one player can dramatically change the culture and overall record of an NBA team (LeBron to Cleveland for instance). I believe that was the platform many use to argue for having a lottery, and not a traditional draft. One player can make a huge difference, so to avoid teams from intentionally tanking to guarantee the #1 overall pick, they have the lottery. |
| Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. |
Taichi said: Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. lol I actually got to thinking something like that when Houston first put up that offer to Lin. I don't know if I woulda paid 8.4mil/yr for someone who sat out the playoffs while at 85% health, although I certainly don't knock Lin for getting his money. That would be a kick in the pants though if he got seriously hurt and have to sit out significantly, and an even bigger kick if he got a cramp or something and sat out a couple months lol Legendre said: ....not trying to bring you down but it looks like you got as much of a shot at Howard as we did at Williams. Even if you do snag him on some hail mary shit his agent has "made it clear" Dwight wants be a free agent at the end of this season and not sign an extension with any team. Of course its Dwight Howard we're talking about, just cause its cloudy today doesn't mean it can't be sunny tomorrow!(srsly though if we don't get Howard and the Lakers do I'm going to start flipping tables).  |
Tachii said: Recently, the Rocket deal to get Lin reminded me of Rockets getting Yao a decade back. Is it too much of a coincidence another "bigshot" Asian player is getting a spot on the Rockets? I wouldn't be surprised if he got another injury soon and be inactive for like half the season or something. We'll see. To me it looks like an attention grab to get the focus away from the fact that they appear to be rebuilding. They got a couple nice draft picks this year and are going even younger with the other moves. |
| Screw Howard, let's tank. I want to see the young guys play this season. |
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Ambalamps said: They have a really entertaining rookie class. Im a huge Royce White fan. And Lamb has been impressive. Indeed. Lamb is very smooth, and I have a bit of a man-crush on White. Dude is fun to watch. Motie can run and has a real nice touch. Jones is looking pretty special, as well, a genuine two-way player. Oh man. p.s. This is a fantastic read: The Music in Royce White's Head. |
SchnickelFritzJul 20, 2012 12:41 PM
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Ambalamps said: Still can't believe they took Waiters. He's got terrible ball iq and is a poor decision maker. Robinson or Barnes would have been better. Barnes would have been a smarter choice since they have Thompson. PG: Irving SG: ? SF: Barnes PF: Thompson C: Bynum Would have been a great lineup. |
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| Judging by the rumors floating around here in Chicago, as well as the recent signing of Radmanovic, and expressed interest in Milicic, Delfino, West, and Belinelli, it seems like Asik will be landing in Houston as well. What's Houston up to? Seems like they are playing the mad scientist role, hoping that they can turn a microwave into a time machine. |
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| 8/6 for a rookie that didn't start or have training camp isn't too bad. Apparently it's on hold until Orlando gets more picks. |
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SchnickelFritz said: Screw Howard, let's tank. I want to see the young guys play this season. 100% agree. I've been watching a lot of the summer league news as well and our guys are straight ballin'. Simmons actually wrote a pretty interesting article on the NBA off season, and the part about Morey was particularly interesting. Not that I agree with him. Going to put it in spoiler tags, but it's just two short paragraphs. That's what the Rockets are doing Verdale, going all-in as fuck. The one thing I agree with Simmons on completely is Lin. Dragic is a better Lin in my opinion. Maybe a little less explosive, but he's substantially more "proven" and is actually a part of the defensive scheme. Whatever though, we'll see how it plays out. Also his article ties in with what I was explaining in some of my last posts. The fact that you can't just sit in the middle. You either have to be one of the 4-6 contenders, or tank. @Surge: "Of course its Dwight Howard we're talking about, just cause its cloudy today doesn't mean it can't be sunny tomorrow!"... I lost it man hahahaha... I'm so fed up with this shit. |
| *reads statement; looks at avatar; lulz, so fitting* |
| Lakers re-sign Jordan Hill. Now they need to focus on getting a good perimeter player/backup for Bean Bryant. |
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| Lakers were probably only offering a year. |
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| Lakers pursing Jodie Meeks, and CJ Miles. Would be great for the bench if they landed both. If they somehow manage to add Barbosa too that could make them the favorites even without Dwight. |
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layfonkun said: As a Miami native, I have nothing to worry about. Heat Nation baby! Best news of all: DWade will be at 100% and he's back with the god trainer, Tim Grover! People thought the Heat were annoying last year? A healthy Dwade with no outside worries, back with Tim Grover? Game over. Completely forgot he was injured he was such a on and off player. Some games he would completely dominate and some he would be absolutely pathetic. |
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| Wade is always hurt. |
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| That's what happens when you throw a hissy fit when you don't get every call you think you deserve. I'm shocked no one is giving William Buford a shot. |
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