| No it doesn't need to be remade. It already was in a haphazzard way (from what most UC fans say) in SEED. If anything it needs a re-release on DVD in a boxset form where they re-polish the audio and visuals a bit but that's it. The show is a classic, a icon and one of the biggest milestones in anime history. It does not need a re-make Bandai won't release it again because they do not see a market for it, anime as a whole is very niche market and with a older title like that that caters to old anime fans or Gundam fans (which is not a big base of anime fans in America and elsewhere like it is in Japan) they probably don't see it as advantageous to re-release it again on a boxset but to me that's a load of bullshit. It is something that needs to be done. Overall, things in the entertainment media whether be Hollywood movies, anime, etc do not need to be remade when the original is something that is seen as a classic in it's medium. They can easily polish the audio these days with mixing, it's not in as bad of shape as they make it seem, they just don't see a market for it, like they don't with other classics like Lupin III |
| I haven't seen SEED but my assessment is just a general thought out sentiment by those who are UC Gundam fans that SEED is over hyped, and over popularized. It's not my thoughts as for now, I'm neutral on that issue but just saying that many fans of Gundam do say it gets unneeded attention because it's newer than the first one All in all, UC Gundam is not well recieved here in the west. Just a fact. The more action based, over the top shows of G, Wing, 00 and SEED are the most liked by the American anime fan base. Which is ironic because most Gundam fans from America or Japan will say SEED Destiny is easily one of the top 3 worst Gundams yet the market is saturated, SATURATED, with their dvds and boxsets. Also, Code Geass and Gurran Lagann have proved to be big hits here in the states as well when it comes to mecha anime. Robotech is probably another From the Japanese audio I have heard on online sites or downloaded from the original series, it's not in bad shape. And if it truly is seen as poor quality, the mixing and sound treatment process these days is several leaps and bounds ahead of 1979 and they can easily touch it up and fix any issues they see with it. Even if it can't be fixed, having the original audio would just be an added plus, having Japanese audio there is the target and if they can make that happen with the rather excellent English dub on there as well, it'd be a worthwhile buy for any Gundam fan Overall I do feel more UC Gundam should be released and recognized. Zeta and MSG catch a big shaft when it comes to marketing and promotion. They focus on the shows that did extremely well on Toonami and that was Wing and G and the newer releases. I don't think a modern set will be out anytime soon because like I said, they really do not see MSG as a profitable boxset release. Little UC Gundam interest here equates to that. The market for anime is already so small and fledgling, it would take a spark of interest in such older anime for it to even happen again |
| I really don't know anything about audio, but there's a fansub version of 0079 Gundam floating around, with (what I guess is) the original Japanese audio, and it sounds fine. You can understand what they're saying, and nothing is messed up. But I would kind of like to see 0079 Gundam remade, but probably not the entire series. A trilogy of movies would be nice, with updated animation. Just to let more people know about the original Gundam, since it is often ignored. Of course, it's not ignored by the Japanese fans, so they'd probably see no reason to do it. Still, I'm tired of everyone I know loving SEED and Wing and not even knowing who Amuro and Char really are. |
shaggyjebus said: I really don't know anything about audio, but there's a fansub version of 0079 Gundam floating around, with (what I guess is) the original Japanese audio, and it sounds fine. You can understand what they're saying, and nothing is messed up. But I would kind of like to see 0079 Gundam remade, but probably not the entire series. A trilogy of movies would be nice, with updated animation. Just to let more people know about the original Gundam, since it is often ignored. Of course, it's not ignored by the Japanese fans, so they'd probably see no reason to do it. Still, I'm tired of everyone I know loving SEED and Wing and not even knowing who Amuro and Char really are. But it doesn't need it. Classic films such as Casablanca and Citizen Kane retain their greatness even though they are older, not as great audio and film quality and are in black and white. It doesn't need an updated look. If anything, the mindset of people needs to be changed because their thinking is obviously obscured if they discount and can't find pleasure older quality animation and etc. Challenge people's mindset and not the work. It's not always the work that needs changing but I guess changing the ways people think is just too radical of an idea |
| I would love to see a remake of the original series. MSG is one of my favorite anime series, a classic, but why can't it be remade with newer animation? Were not talking about changing the stories, or the fight scenes, just a little update with how it looks. But i wouldnt want them to use the same animation they used for SEED or 00. Their "new" animation style. I'd want them to either do it in complete 3D, like the IGLOO's, or use the same animation as Turn A, which was the last series with hand painted cells. It looked beautiful. But about the audio thing, if Bandai doesn't want to rerelease/remake the series with the original audio, then there's going to be some problems. Bright Noah's voice actor died a little while ago. And i can't see them getting a replacement for him. But im sure if they touch up the original audio, it would sound fine. |
| Just forget it, cell-animation is hardly if ever used anymore. They just won't do that. About CGI, while it looked beautifully in MS IGLOO 2, it sucked in MS IGLOO 1. Producing a whole 43-episode series in CGI would be too expensive anyway. Digital animation would be the best option, but I do think newfags should watch the old series instead of whining about the animation. I guess the could use Heero Yuy's seiyuu for Bright, since Hikaru Midorikawa is also taking over Hirotaka Suzuoki's role of Tenshinhan in Dragon Ball Kai. |
GurennMay 21, 2010 5:31 AM
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Rambozo said: I would love to see a remake of the original series. MSG is one of my favorite anime series, a classic, but why can't it be remade with newer animation? Were not talking about changing the stories, or the fight scenes, just a little update with how it looks. But i wouldnt want them to use the same animation they used for SEED or 00. Their "new" animation style. I'd want them to either do it in complete 3D, like the IGLOO's, or use the same animation as Turn A, which was the last series with hand painted cells. It looked beautiful. But about the audio thing, if Bandai doesn't want to rerelease/remake the series with the original audio, then there's going to be some problems. Bright Noah's voice actor died a little while ago. And i can't see them getting a replacement for him. But im sure if they touch up the original audio, it would sound fine. I saw that the original character designer for the orignal Gundam series, Yoshikazu Yasuhiko did the Gundam Unicorn OVA character designs with an updated animation style, so if a Gundam 0079 re-make was done, they'd keep him as the character designer. Also the original seiyuu for Sayla(You Inoue) passed away years ago, so it would also be hard to replace her as well. It would be nice if Bandai could re-release the original series containing the original Japanese audio, restore the picture quality in HD, give the audio a 5.1 boost, and relaese it on DVD and Blu-ray. I'd be satisfied if Bandai could at least do that. |
| There's a question that has been bugging me. Last year Zeonic-Corps completed releasing the re-mastered 0079 series (which they did an amazing job of). I'm wondering why the original series doesn't have a blu-ray release (or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough) while both Zeta and ZZ got the BD treatment. |
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Rambozo said: I would love to see a remake of the original series. MSG is one of my favorite anime series, a classic, but why can't it be remade with newer animation? Were not talking about changing the stories, or the fight scenes, just a little update with how it looks. But i wouldnt want them to use the same animation they used for SEED or 00. Their "new" animation style. I'd want them to either do it in complete 3D, like the IGLOO's, or use the same animation as Turn A, which was the last series with hand painted cells. It looked beautiful. But about the audio thing, if Bandai doesn't want to rerelease/remake the series with the original audio, then there's going to be some problems. Bright Noah's voice actor died a little while ago. And i can't see them getting a replacement for him. But im sure if they touch up the original audio, it would sound fine. Again though, this begs the question, why does the animation need an update? You're not going to go back and add color to Citizen Kane just because black and white is not the norm. |
| ^ True. But i don't see why it would be bad if they just updated the animation. As i said before, MSG is one of my favorites, probably the best Gundam series of all time, except for maybe Zeta. But the thing that makes MSG so good isn't the animation, it's the story, and the concept; the idea. That being said, wouldn't the series just be better with updated animation? And I'm not saying the animation is bad. I, for one, actually like the animation. But you can't deny that MSG would be EVEN better with updated animation. Because i can't see how it would make it worse. Look at Unicorn for instance. Unicorn is beautiful. Now imagine MSG reanimated the same way they did Unicorn. It would completely blow people's minds. |
Rambozo said: ^ True. But i don't see why it would be bad if they just updated the animation. As i said before, MSG is one of my favorites, probably the best Gundam series of all time, except for maybe Zeta. But the thing that makes MSG so good isn't the animation, it's the story, and the concept; the idea. That being said, wouldn't the series just be better with updated animation? And I'm not saying the animation is bad. I, for one, actually like the animation. But you can't deny that MSG would be EVEN better with updated animation. Because i can't see how it would make it worse. Look at Unicorn for instance. Unicorn is beautiful. Now imagine MSG reanimated the same way they did Unicorn. It would completely blow people's minds. Unicorn is overproduced if you ask me |
| How can it be overproduced? A great budget is the least they can have considering the time it takes to release each episode. |
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Gurenn said: How can it be overproduced? A great budget is the least they can have considering the time it takes to release each episode. It can be overproduced by looking too flashy and clean cut which it is. Just like a movie or song can look and sound too slick, so can a piece of animation. That episode had no grit what so ever. |
| I'm afraid grit is something from the nineties and earlier. I pity it too. I don't think Unicorn needed it though. |
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Gurenn said: I'm afraid grit is something from the nineties and earlier. I pity it too. I don't think Unicorn needed it though. I think it does. War isn't that beautiful or shinny looking. The OVA is completely over polished but with people being animation whores these days and wanting just bigger boobs and shinier colors whether or not it fits the title it's being applied to, I'm not surprised the OVA has that 0079 wouldn't be better if it looked like that, in fact I think it would detract from it. That grit gave the show character that something like Unicorn can't have. |
| Unicorn definitely didn't need "grit". That's just your opinion, not everyone feels the same way. "Grit" doesn't work with the current animation style anyways. As Gurenn said, it's more of a 90's thing, when they still used hand painted cells. Then it would actually add something to it, and not make it look worse, like it would with Unicorn and other series with the same type of animation. But i thought it was an animation companies goal to make a film look as sleek and polished as possible. Give it the best animation possible at the time of its production. Why would they intentionally make something look worse? And i thought the combat scenes were supposed to be shiny looking? It is mobile suit combat after all. |
Rambozo said: Unicorn definitely didn't need "grit". That's just your opinion, not everyone feels the same way. "Grit" doesn't work with the current animation style anyways. As Gurenn said, it's more of a 90's thing, when they still used hand painted cells. Then it would actually add something to it, and not make it look worse, like it would with Unicorn and other series with the same type of animation. But i thought it was an animation companies goal to make a film look as sleek and polished as possible. Give it the best animation possible at the time of its production. Why would they intentionally make something look worse? And i thought the combat scenes were supposed to be shiny looking? It is mobile suit combat after all. You don't need to be all defensive if it's just others "opinions". UC Gundams always have had a certain edge and grit, Unicorn lacks that. And giving a show a more gritty look and feel doesn't mean that it's not top notch animation with it. There's a difference between solid, fluid, well detailed animation with grit and solid and fluid animation that is too sleek looking. There's a certain look and feel that every show, film, etc. must have to give a feel of that show and this applies to Unicorn. The photography and look are greatly important. Imagine a Noir film with overly sleek visuals, it just doesn't work with the mood, tone and setting of the show. And explosions aren't shiny looking therefore, combat sequences don't have to be shiny looking. I'm fine with the mecha units being shiny cause they're made of metal. But people do not have to be nor does space itself. Great visuals do not make a show great. The sleekness definitely could be toned down a tad. |
martin03345May 29, 2010 2:29 PM
| Like don't get me wrong, it does look great, mobile suits look amazing, especially the Geara Zulus looking absolutely phenomenal, but the overall color palettes and shininess to the show does give it less of a war time, this is Gundam feel. It definitely doesn't kill the show or overall mood and tone, just lessens the feel of what the series has already set place Edit: Guess he deleted is response post |
martin03345May 29, 2010 3:04 PM
| lol sorry, i didn't want to delete it. I edited it, but then i noted that the edit didn't go through. So i tried again and it still didn't go through. So i waited and tried to delete it, so i could repost it. But when i put the delete through the edit i made showed up, and it didn't delete. So i left it. Anyways, All my edit said was that i also get what you mean about the sleekness. They went a bit overboard with it. But ya i totally get what you mean now. They should have incorporated that classic Gundam UC feeling with the new animation they're using. |
Rambozo said: lol sorry, i didn't want to delete it. I edited it, but then i noted that the edit didn't go through. So i tried again and it still didn't go through. So i waited and tried to delete it, so i could repost it. But when i put the delete through the edit i made showed up, and it didn't delete. So i left it. Anyways, All my edit said was that i also get what you mean about the sleekness. They went a bit overboard with it. But ya i totally get what you mean now. They should have incorporated that classic Gundam UC feeling with the new animation they're using. In a way, they definitely are with the classic character designs and I applaud them for that. I saw people bitching about that for it not looking SEED or 00 enough which would look incredibly stupid like it did in those shows. Thus that adds the character and feel of UC but you have that countered with the over polish feel. I look forward to Unicorn, but unlike all the people that have watched it and have little to no UC Gundam viewing experience and praise it as "EPIC AND THE GREATEST THING EVER AND POSSIBLY THE BEST GUNDAM EVER", I felt it was a good start but nothing amazingly special nor epic. I mean Full Frontal hasn't shown up and nothing has even really been shown about the story yet so, the jury is definitely still in session |
| Rambozo, MAL is a bit slow at times and doesn't always do posts, edits, deletions, etc. immediately. One should keep in mind Unicorn is the first 2D U.C. Gundam of the 2000s, except for the Zeta Gundam: A New Translation, but those interspliced the old animation with new animation, which didn't work very well. They should have done everything with new animation. MS IGLOO was in 3D. 08th MS Team came before and was from the 90's. It still had grit. Gundam Unicorn seems like the first Gundam with hardly any flaws to me. Gundam 0079 had poor production values at times, but we can appreciate its raw spirit. Zeta Gundam is very good, but takes some time to get on its feet. Char's Counterattack and Gundam F91 had a way too rushed story, but looked darn pretty. Victory Gundam was boring and slow at times, but portrayed the grimness of war best. MS IGLOO is in 3D, which is a pity. 08th MS Team was the most realistic and had a good plot, but lacked cool Gundams. 0080 was very emotionally engaging, but lacked action. 0083 had story problems, but looked pretty. Turn A Gundam (technically a A.C., but whatever) portrayed the political side best and had two sides trying to work together instead of fighting each other, but could have had more action instead of the Turn A Gundam being used for washing clothes and transporting cows. This brings me to the A.C. productions. They have good production values, have a fast moving story (but not too fast), look pretty, have awesome mobile suits and action, BUT they don't portray real, gritty wars like U.C. does. There is no compromise with Gundam Unicorn. It is U.C. and portrays a real war. The plot is engaging, I love the BGM's, the animation is the best ever for a Gundam up until now, the BGM's are great and I'm looking forward to the appearances of Unicorn Banshee and Sinanju. One cannot predict how the next episodes will be of course, but if it keeps this up, I won't complain. |
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| The plot is engaging? Unicorn hasn't even done a damn thing yet to show how good it's going to be. Again that first episode was just a pure set up. There are easily some flaws in that episode plot wise. Example: Banhenger loves and wants to protect Audry after only knowing her for 5 minutes. That's too over the top. Plus you could argue Unicorn's pacing is going too fast and at a breakneck speed which not always a good thing. Unicorn is definitely going to have flaws and I doubt it'll top 0079, Zeta and Victory. 0079 production for the time wasn't that poor at all, in fact you have to look at the context the of the time period the series was produced. It is by no means a great detractor to the amazing story that it tells. Zeta still holds up amazingly well animation wise and looks beautiful still. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say it takes awhile to get on it's feet cause from the first episode on, that thing is on the ground and running. Char's Counterattack and F91 have amazing production values but they were more rushed plot wise which hampers them (especially F91) but CCA is still a solid finale to the end of the Amuro v Char conflict. Victory Gundam could be slow at times but it's a 51 episode series. You shouldn't expect the pace to be amazingly fast. Other than that little qualm, the story is the most poignant when showing war, it had great action sequences, cool mecha designs, beautiful, stunning animation for it's time period that still looks amazing, etc. 0080 is great cause it didn't need flashy actions sequences to be good. One death meant everything and was overall showing how a boy losses the notion that war is cool after witnessing it first hand and seeing his friend die even when the war was basically over. 0083 overall is just TopGun, all flash no substance. Again, some of the things you complained about are rather small when looking at some of those series but I really can't see Unicorn being this great leap forward and amazingly epic show that's gonna re-establish a time line that needs none of that. I think it could be good, but from the first episode, nothing was really shown, it was just an introduction. |
| I definitely didn't mean to drag down those Gundams. The only Gundam I didn't find particularly good is Gundam ZZ, and even that one got better in the second half. Maybe G Gundam too, because it subverts the whole point of Gundam being Real Robot, but it's too much fun to not call it good. I just pointed out flaws which I think Unicorn does better. I'm afraid Gundam 0079 really had shoddy animation at times, even for the seventies. I've seen Astro Boy (1980) for example and despite being only a year younger than Gundam 0079, the animation is A LOT better. But animation indeed isn't the most important thing and I love Gundam 0079's story. Zeta Gundam is very dense, I'd say it's got too much plot for a 50-episodes series. Although I'd actually had preferred if Victory Gundam went just as fast. I haven't got problems with Zeta's visuals though. |
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| I agree with ZZ as I have said...several times before, the first 20 episodes are just absolutely hard as hell to get through and atrocious. But the Dublin and Africa arc are simply amazing. 0079 I am willing to give a pass on the visuals cause you have to also remember, that show got canceled at episode 37. They had to claw to get sponsorship to just be able to wrap up the show with 6 more episodes. So obviously they didn't have as much faith in that show from the get go then say Astro Boy which already had an established fan base and is one of the starting shows of anime. I think as dense Zeta is, they give it a great pace and pack it in there so well that even if it had extra episodes to expand upon, they aren't really needed. I blame Victory's slow start, cause the start is a tad slow, on how Sunrise-Bandai wanted them to show the Gundam from the first episode even though it wasn't suppose to show up till episode 4. They had to re-jumble all of that and screwed up the fluidity of things for a few episodes. Other than that and them staying in Kasseraliea for what seemed like forever, it moved at a fast pace after that. |
| Sunrise is planning to animate Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin(hopefully soon since they're making us wait until next year to wrap things up with Unicorn), which will be basically like a re-make of the original Mobile Suit Gundam, with certain key differences, such as going into further detail of Char's background for example. However certain changes were made from the original, so I can't say as they are spoilers. |
| Yea, Origin is going to be bloody sweet. Just started reading the manga and so far it's the same story with the only really big difference being the WB going straight from north America to Jaburo, thus omitting Odessa and probably the Belfast thing too. Other than that, the Guntank and Guncannon are already mass produced and considered old suits by the beginning, and the very start is also better, showing the fate of the RX-78-1 for example. I just hope it's a high budget TV series and not another of these OVA series that take forever to release. cshin9 said: I'm not sure I get the point here, surely it is well possible to be gritty even with newer animation techniques. It's just a matter of the texture they use on stuff.About newer anime not having "grit", it's really a product of older animation techniques. Really, if you draw "grit" with current animation techniques, it only looks out of place. I think it's better not to force it in for the sake of having it. |
| I'd love to see 0079 with some Unicorn animation, and I think they can pull it off as long stick to the story and don't add a bunch of stupid things. I can't wait for Origin. |
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| 0079 sucks I don't like it the worst Gundam I've seen since SEED Destiny. Really hope The Origins will be leagues better and not boring and stupid like the original. I'm hoping it will have similar art to Gundam Unicorn and also be an OVA. I'd rather have TV series with a new universe and new characters while leaving the UC series as OVAs. |
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Roloko said: I'm hoping it will have similar art to Gundam Unicorn and also be an OVA. I'd rather have TV series with a new universe and new characters while leaving the UC series as OVAs. The Origin HAS to be a TV series, considering there's so much to cover from the original source material. Personally, I rather see The Origin as a TV series, my patience is spread thinly enough over having to wait for Sunrise to complete work on Unicorn. |
| Releasing it as an OVA series would probably take a long long time, since well, they'll need at least 20 episodes, 50 minutes long. One episode = one volume of manga. Or maybe if they release it like LoGH, one normal episode a month, and make 50 episodes, which would take 4 years to release. As an OVA series, it would at least have higher production values. If they release it as a TV series, it won't be that great. SEED had a lot of visual problems, 00 had a lot of visual problems. Funny thing is that the action part looked great, but the other scenes were really bad sometimes. Can't really blame SEED, since it's from 2002. It's rare for something to look great these days, and the good looking ones are either overlooked, or disliked for some minor so called flaws like being moe. Another problem is that they don't do 50ep series anymore (not counting kids shows), and if they do them, they are usually full CGI or have poor production values. Anyway, I kinda doubt that they'd release it right after Unicorn/AGE finishes. They'd probably take a little break, so I wouldn't expect it next year. |
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Roloko said: 0079 sucks I don't like it the worst Gundam I've seen since SEED Destiny.. Have you seen G and ZZ? They make Destiny look good. |
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DrunkenBlowfish said: Woa, really? I thought Destiny was generally seen as terrible, even for people that for some unfathomable reason liked Seed. Have you seen G and ZZ? They make Destiny look good. ZZ was terrible but I always thought Destiny was supposed to be even worse. |
Baman said: DrunkenBlowfish said: Woa, really? I thought Destiny was generally seen as terrible, even for people that for some unfathomable reason liked Seed. Have you seen G and ZZ? They make Destiny look good. ZZ was terrible but I always thought Destiny was supposed to be even worse. You're right about that. He's just delusional. Destiny is a steaming pile of crap. I think the sane mind would say Destiny makes ZZ not look quite as bad. OT: Still twiddling my thumbs, waiting on a date for airing. |
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DrunkenBlowfish said: Roloko said: 0079 sucks I don't like it the worst Gundam I've seen since SEED Destiny.. Have you seen G and ZZ? They make Destiny look good. He be trollin'...and just doesn't understand the school of the Undefeated of the East |
Sassymacha said: Why is this even a discussion, they're making Gundam: The Origin into an anime. Still waiting for the anime a year later after this post. >.> Probably coming a bit after unicorn ep7 |
ladyhaman said: Early 2014 was last thing I heard. Shit's gon be gudd.Still waiting for the anime a year later after this post. >.> Probably coming a bit after unicorn ep7 |
Baman said: ladyhaman said: Early 2014 was last thing I heard. Shit's gon be gudd.Still waiting for the anime a year later after this post. >.> Probably coming a bit after unicorn ep7 wooooooot! |
| I cannot stand "remakes" especially when we still have what...ZZ, X, V, TurnA....coughcough minus AGE to still be dubbed. I am however slightly interested in "The Origins" because <.< I'd heard/read some thangs thus making it different/having extra things enough for me to watch/praise it. |
| I think it will be great if they make a HD remade or something like that. i really want to watch the 0079, but i don't really like the old animation. |
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