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Jul 27, 2014 4:20 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tJk-xKkRk


this whole video is just insane
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Jul 27, 2014 4:39 PM
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I wouldn't care if gun ownership was mandatory... as long as someone else pays for my gun that is.

Forcing people to shell out cash is not cool.
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>Gun ownership being mandatory in the US

Oh dear, if that happened, America would be unlivable.


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I wouldn't care if gun ownership was mandatory... as long as someone else pays for my gun that is.

Forcing people to shell out cash is not cool.
you'd still technically be paying for it through your tax dollars
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mattbenz99 said:
DerpHole said:
I wouldn't care if gun ownership was mandatory... as long as someone else pays for my gun that is.

Forcing people to shell out cash is not cool.
you'd still technically be paying for it through your tax dollars


Taxes would only be boosted for a short time I'd assume, once everyone has a gun it could go down again.
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DerpHole said:
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you'd still technically be paying for it through your tax dollars


Taxes would only be boosted for a short time I'd assume, once everyone has a gun it could go down again.
but still that would be billions of dollars wasted which could of been used for oh i dont know treating all the gun shot wounds that would be the direct cause of this
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mattbenz99 said:
DerpHole said:


Taxes would only be boosted for a short time I'd assume, once everyone has a gun it could go down again.
but still that would be billions of dollars wasted which could of been used for oh i dont know treating all the gun shot wounds that would be the direct cause of this


It'll never happen anyway so it doesn't matter.
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DerpHole said:
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but still that would be billions of dollars wasted which could of been used for oh i dont know treating all the gun shot wounds that would be the direct cause of this


It'll never happen anyway so it doesn't matter.
i know but the fact that the NRA can say this and have adults still take then seriously says a lot about america
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if i was older i wouldnt mind gun ownership being mandatory
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Billy said:
Our founding fathers believed that we did need guns. That's why they codified our access to guns into the constitution. But idea of a gun policy that does justice to their intention sounds ridiculous. What does that say about us?
It says that we are evolving, you twat.

Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.
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Sinyan said:

Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.


As long as the environment is highly controlled and supervised I don't see a problem with it. Would result in less deaths as a result of kids stumbling upon guns in their houses closets and not respecting the guns power.

Could you imagine visiting a gunrange on a field trip and getting to fire something? Best fucking field trip ever lol.
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DerpHole said:
Sinyan said:

Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.


As long as the environment is highly controlled and supervised I don't see a problem with it. Would result in less deaths as a result of kids stumbling upon guns in their houses closets and not respecting the guns power.

Could you imagine visiting a gunrange on a field trip and getting to fire something? Best fucking field trip ever lol.
It sounds like the best fucking field trip at first. But that's only because kids are immature and they think "coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool guuuuns!!!" The next thing you know, they'll be playing cowboys or cops and robbers and that will be the end of the next generation.

Besides, most sane human beings already understand the power of guns and most gun homicides do not result from the reason of "not knowing how to properly use it." We don't need to teach kids on how to shoot a gun, just need to teach to them that it is a weapon.
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why do people care what this right wing idiot sayd but then again the us love it right wingers right
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why do people care what this right wing idiot sayd but then again the us love it right wingers right
because he is representing the NRA (national rifle association) and they are a major lobbying power in america.
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mattbenz99 said:
FGAU1912 said:
why do people care what this right wing idiot sayd but then again the us love it right wingers right
because he is representing the NRA (national rifle association) and they are a major lobbying power in america.

i know what the NRA is imo it sould be called a terrorist organization but that just this one liberal who says that
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Sinyan said:
It sounds like the best fucking field trip at first. But that's only because kids are immature and they think "coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool guuuuns!!!" The next thing you know, they'll be playing cowboys or cops and robbers and that will be the end of the next generation.


lol ok. Part of the curriculum (I assume, I hope) would be to tell them that it isn't a toy.

A mandate that has any actual chance of passing would also have an age limit of sorts, that says that the mandate doesn't apply to those under 21 years of age, so that elementary school students aren't packing heat rofl.


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Besides, most sane human beings already understand the power of guns and most gun homicides do not result from the reason of "not knowing how to properly use it." We don't need to teach kids on how to shoot a gun, just need to teach to them that it is a weapon.


People would be a lot more hesitant to whip out their guns and go on sprees if they knew all of their potential victims held a piece as well.
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FGAU1912 said:
mattbenz99 said:
because he is representing the NRA (national rifle association) and they are a major lobbying power in america.

i know what the NRA is imo it sould be called a terrorist organization but that just this one liberal who says that
i agree to some extent but the problem is that the NRA has a lot of power. if a politician goes against them directly odds are they wont be reelected


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People would be a lot more hesitant to whip out their guns and go on sprees if they knew all of their potential victims held a piece as well.
most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.
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As a gun rights advocate, I found the video pretty stupid.

(I'm pretty pissed about bummer signing an executive order banning Russian Kalashnikov rifle imports, but I already got the ones I wanted)

Anyways, the most I would support is some sort of gun safety/competency education is public schools. Just something to comprehend and understand something that is so pervasive in US culture.

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most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.


Then why do all the mass shootings happen in "Gun Free" zones?
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DerpHole said:
Sinyan said:

Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.


As long as the environment is highly controlled and supervised I don't see a problem with it.

Iknorite?

I'm still pro-gun, but the idea of mandatory ownership is stupid.

And Matt, you need to find a better use for your time rather than trying to take Kyuu's place.
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DerpHole said:
People would be a lot more hesitant to whip out their guns and go on sprees if they knew all of their potential victims held a piece as well.
most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.


A person who's determined enough to go on a shooting spree will obtain a gun with or without a mandate.

Having everyone with a gun would be troubling though because a lot of people can be mentally unstable, even if only just for a few moments due to life changing events, like walking in on your lover with a cheater, or a stock market crash where you lose everything. That's all it takes to end someones life with a gun. I know a lot of people that I wouldn't trust with a gun.

People are just too damn crazy lol.

The only real pro to everyone having a gun would be to level the playing field and preventing the all out massacres that the media loves. It falls on you to defend yourself in the end I guess.
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Thats dumb just because of cost but im still all for gun ownership.

As ive always said the problem in America is not that everyone has access to guns. Its that Americans have access to guns because no offense but a large percentage of the American population are fucking nuts and dislodged from the ideas of reality.

But I dunno much about Murica perhaps kids will be less inclined to go shooting up schools if all the teachers were packing heat and could level them as soon as they show's up with a weapon.
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As a gun rights advocate, I found the video pretty stupid.

(I'm pretty pissed about bummer signing an executive order banning Russian Kalashnikov rifle imports, but I already got the ones I wanted)

Anyways, the most I would support is some sort of gun safety/competency education is public schools. Just something to comprehend and understand something that is so pervasive in US culture.

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most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.


Then why do all the mass shootings happen in "Gun Free" zones?
that has nothing to do with it. the reason shootings happen in gun free zones is because gun free zones are usually where large groups of people gather. i mean many of the mass shooters kill themselves in the end and it is almost unheard of any of them not being at least arrested afterwards if not shot by a cop. a gun free zone wont help a mass shooter get out alive.
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As long as the environment is highly controlled and supervised I don't see a problem with it.

Iknorite?

I'm still pro-gun, but the idea of mandatory ownership is stupid.

And Matt, you need to find a better use for your time rather than trying to take Kyuu's place.
im not being kyuu. heck i havent been active on this subject for a couple of months.
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i fear im too liberal to talk here mal is quite full of right wing leaning people and there pro gun propaganda irks me so much il say somthing that would get mre banned
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DerpHole said:
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most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.


A person who's determined enough to go on a shooting spree will obtain a gun with or without a mandate.

Having everyone with a gun would be troubling though because a lot of people can be mentally unstable, even if only just for a few moments due to life changing events, like walking in on your lover with a cheater, or a stock market crash where you lose everything. That's all it takes to end someones life with a gun. I know a lot of people that I wouldn't trust with a gun.

People are just too damn crazy lol.

The only real pro to everyone having a gun would be to level the playing field and preventing the all out massacres that the media loves. It falls on you to defend yourself in the end I guess.
yes because 3 people all having a shootout with each other is so much better and will cause less damage than 1 person with a gun.

the problem with guns in this situation is that no one will be able to tell who the original shooter is or if it was a group of shooters. so everyone will just shoot each other.
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i fear im too liberal to talk here mal is quite full of right wing leaning people and there pro gun propaganda irks me so much il say somthing that would get mre banned


If anything I'd say most of mal hates guns. I don't really lean one way or another, I just like conjecturing about it lol.

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yes because 3 people all having a shootout with each other is so much better and will cause less damage than 1 person with a gun.

the problem with guns in this situation is that no one will be able to tell who the original shooter is or if it was a group of shooters. so everyone will just shoot each other.


I remember reading a story awhile ago about how a bunch of cops surrounded a vehicle and opened fire. The reverberation of so many guns going off ruptured some of their ears, and they didn't know when to stop shooting because over the noise of their guns they couldn't tell if the suspect had stopped shooting lol.

Anyway, if you want to figure out how shootings start and end, then invest in security cameras. I'm sure the NSA would get behind that line of thinking. George Orwell would turn in his grave though.
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DerpHole said:
FGAU1912 said:
i fear im too liberal to talk here mal is quite full of right wing leaning people and there pro gun propaganda irks me so much il say somthing that would get mre banned


If anything I'd say most of mal hates guns. I don't really lean one way or another, I just like conjecturing about it lol.


every gun toopic that comes up here show hoe deeply deeeepppllllly red mal is im so far of to the left im happy i dont live in the us cause when have you guys ever voted in a True die in the wool progressive Japan has not eiher but at lest we have socialist and workers parties with seats in the diet

un like the US id say only person who iv seen who come close to ganing anything is Nader Obama is not a real progressive is he was he owld not have done the shot that hes done
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If anything I'd say most of mal hates guns. I don't really lean one way or another, I just like conjecturing about it lol.


every gun toopic that comes up here show hoe deeply deeeepppllllly red mal is im so far of to the left im happy i dont live in the us cause when have you guys ever voted in a True die in the wool progressive Japan has not eiher but at lest we have socialist and workers parties with seats in the diet

un like the US id say only person who iv seen who come close to ganing anything is Nader Obama is not a real progressive is he was he owld not have done the shot that hes done
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This is bad. The NRA is no longer on the defensive, it seems.
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lol ok. Part of the curriculum (I assume, I hope) would be to tell them that it isn't a toy.

A mandate that has any actual chance of passing would also have an age limit of sorts, that says that the mandate doesn't apply to those under 21 years of age, so that elementary school students aren't packing heat rofl.
Of well of course it would have an age limit. But if everyone 21 and up owned a gun, then kids would no doubt have a significantly easier access to guns. If the point of the age restriction is to prevent elementary school students from packing heat, then expect way more of them to be packing heat simply because guns will be more commonplace.

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People would be a lot more hesitant to whip out their guns and go on sprees if they knew all of their potential victims held a piece as well.
That's a very popular argument among those supporting gun rights. But the fact of the matter is, guns escalate a situation. For example, if a single gunman was the only one possessing a gun, he would feel in control and would feel less inclined to shoot simply because it is unnecessary. There would be no reason to get in even deeper shit with the law by killing someone if he was already in control of situation.

But if both parties have a gun, now he is no longer in control. He now experiences fear and eventually desperation. He is now more inclined to shoot because now he has a gun pointed a himself and he is now more dependent on his gun more than ever. Not only does he have to think about taking back control of the situation but he has to think about self-defence as well. His judgement is clouded because now he also fear for his own life. The same can be said for the other party. One gun can possibly result in gun violence, and two guns will make it all the more likely.
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if a single gunman was the only one possessing a gun, he would feel in control and would feel less inclined to shoot simply because it is unnecessary.


Ha what? there's a reason gun killers go on a quick spree shooting anyone they can find without any real rhyme or reasoning before topping themselves. Its because they are trying to get as many victims as possible before been taken down, what the hell made you think that these gun men don't shoot people because they are not armed? the gun men are never in control, they are panicked and single minded.

Ever heard of a school shooter not killing a class of students because they weren't armed?
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Ever heard of a school shooter not killing a class of students because they weren't armed?


Most campuses don't allow their students to carry weapons = easier targets.

It's one of the reasons shootings happen so often at schools.

I think I misread you... maybe. My brain is farting right now lol
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DerpHole said:
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Ever heard of a school shooter not killing a class of students because they weren't armed?


Most campuses don't allow their students to carry weapons = easier targets.

It's one of the reasons shootings happen so often at schools.
no shootings happen in schools because there are so many people there. it has nothing to do with how armed they are
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MAL is definitely not "deeply" red.
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Most campuses don't allow their students to carry weapons = easier targets.

It's one of the reasons shootings happen so often at schools.
no shootings happen in schools because there are so many people there. it has nothing to do with how armed they are


Annnnd because schools make easy targets, a lot less likely to contain anyone who could stand up to the shooter or stop them. Children and students are vulnerable, you ever heard of a shooter going into a gun owner association meeting any trying to shoot it up?
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no shootings happen in schools because there are so many people there. it has nothing to do with how armed they are


Annnnd because schools make easy targets, a lot less likely to contain anyone who could stand up to the shooter or stop them. Children and students are vulnerable, you ever heard of a shooter going into a gun owner association meeting any trying to shoot it up?
name me one mass shooter than went into a school and survived afterwards. gun free zones dont keep mass shooters alive.
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Sinyan said:
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Our founding fathers believed that we did need guns. That's why they codified our access to guns into the constitution. But idea of a gun policy that does justice to their intention sounds ridiculous. What does that say about us?
It says that we are evolving, you twat.

Did this guy just seriously talk about integrating gun training into school curriculum? Real fucking smart.


They do this in Russia already...my nephew (who is only two years younger than me) in his Second year of Russian High School (the equivalent, at least), learned how to mantle and dismantle an Assault Rifle [the Kalashiknov] within a minute, and then trained to so in less.

There is also firearms training, such as shooting...but that is another story.
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name me one mass shooter than went into a school and survived afterwards. gun free zones dont keep mass shooters alive.


Im not sure you know what you're talking about. A mass shooter isn't looking to survive I mean seriously you think they do this for a reason with an escape plan? most shooters top themselves afterward. They target masses of people to cause an impact so they will be remembered not for any cause they need to live through. Its a one way mission for most of them, notice I say most I cannot speak for every mass shooting.
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Most campuses don't allow their students to carry weapons = easier targets.

It's one of the reasons shootings happen so often at schools.
no shootings happen in schools because there are so many people there. it has nothing to do with how armed they are


It does though. It's like a feast to them, lots of people + nobody (except a few security maybe) is armed

To say " it has nothing to do with how armed they are" is ignorant. gunmen choose places where there is likely to be close to nobody carrying munitions aside from themselves.
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name me one mass shooter than went into a school and survived afterwards. gun free zones dont keep mass shooters alive.


Im not sure you know what you're talking about. A mass shooter isn't looking to survive I mean seriously you think they do this for a reason with an escape plan? most shooters top themselves afterward. They target masses of people to cause an impact so they will be remembered not for any cause they need to live through. Its a one way mission for most of them, notice I say most I cannot speak for every mass shooting.
yes but and arming everyone wont help lower the number of casualties. it will cause a large shoot out in which no one will know who the original shooter is.
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Of course, the video is just one person's opinion, but any conservative who would agree with it is being intellectually dishonest. The idea that the U.S. government could require a particular purchase of its citizens was the primary Constitutional argument against Obamacare, and it was a correct argument that was upheld by the Supreme Court, only allowing health care to get by creatively labeling it as a 'tax'. Whether it be a gun, a car, a cell phone, or a pack of chewing gum, a government making your buying decisions for you (with your post-tax earnings) is a scary thought. Socially liberal to the extreme. Any conservative who would even entertain supporting this should be ashamed.

But then again, it's worth remembering that the NRA isn't exactly the grass-roots organization that it likes to portray itself as, since it gets millions in funding from the gun manufacturers themselves. And who, incidentally, would benefit if such a law were ever passed? Who always benefits when the NRA wins? Be sure to ask these types of questions.
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OP, stop trying to take mah freedoms away!

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Of course, the video is just one person's opinion
but it is on the NRA's youtube channel
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Of course, the video is just one person's opinion, but any conservative who would agree with it is being intellectually dishonest.

>Implying conservatives are intellectually honest to begin with!
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Iri said:
Of course, the video is just one person's opinion, but any conservative who would agree with it is being intellectually dishonest.

>Implying conservatives are intellectually honest to begin with!


The upper echelons of the Republican Party is filled with corporate tyrants, no wonder why they want smaller government, they don't want the Feds looking into their misdeeds. It's like they don't hide that they are guilty.


Jul 27, 2014 7:08 PM

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most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.

Which is why they always go to places where people will be heavily armed... right?

It wasn't the Sandy Hook gun show that got hit...
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StopDropAndBowl said:
mattbenz99 said:
most people who go on shooting sprees dont care about their own life.

Which is why they always go to places where people will be heavily armed... right?

It wasn't the Sandy Hook gun show that got hit...
that shooter went to that school because his mother worked there. i am sure even if there were guns in the school he would of still went.
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if a single gunman was the only one possessing a gun, he would feel in control and would feel less inclined to shoot simply because it is unnecessary.


Ha what? there's a reason gun killers go on a quick spree shooting anyone they can find without any real rhyme or reasoning before topping themselves. Its because they are trying to get as many victims as possible before been taken down, what the hell made you think that these gun men don't shoot people because they are not armed? the gun men are never in control, they are panicked and single minded.

Ever heard of a school shooter not killing a class of students because they weren't armed?
That's true since deranged gun killers are unpredictable. The situation usually only applies to normal people who actually care about their lives like someone robbing a bank. But when they're past the point of reasoning like your average school shooters, why should we make guns more accessible? It may increase the number of people armed in order to defend themselves but anyone of those can be a deranged killer.
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