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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- That was only guns practice, nothing much happening in this episode. Quite averages for me. Quite good shooting of Cals of her first time, he really actually don't want to her to hold a guns but becuase someone from Inferno going to revised whatever name is about her training. Lizzy somehow advice him to at least making her having guns training. ( Read me above) He want to free her from being Assassin, that's of course answering. I think that was Ein (Elen) on the elevators, I knew Scythe master would save her to make her a tools again, okay just my thought there. We all knew she would survive like Reiji did. Who are think that is Ein? Reply your opionens. Looking forward to next episodes. |
BlackbirdJul 9, 2009 1:58 PM
Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho |
| Haven't seen it yet (not subbed as of now). But I believe that would be Elen. After all, the next episode is called Reunion :) |
| There is every possibility that it is Ein in the lift, don't think she's going to die that easily. |
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| It is Ein, 100 % sure! woo.. Reiji appears TO not" care" as much anymore, according to the warehouse scene, where he picks up the bullet. he throws it away without hesitating which really dissapoints me. He didn;t go like OHH EREN i miss you. Yeah sorry* im fangirling_D |
| LET JUSTICE BE DONE; THOUGH THE HEAVENS MAY FALL |
| "Do you feel lucky today, punk? Well, do ya?" |
| I doubt we're that lucky, but hopefully Reiji will get rid of Cal for the return of Elen. Cal is just plain annoying with her da niro imitations and loliness. It is sucking the seriousness out of the show. Of course the best moment was the possible encounter with elen. The rest, not so much. Supposedly he has to train Cal in to phantom loli edition asap before they find out it is all a scam, but there is no sense of urgency. Claudia is up to her schemes again. While the training itself lacked the quality of Reiji's training, i liked the touch of going back to where he was trained. Overall, the 2nd story arc is finally starting to pick up a bit, but i have a feeling that the end result is likely to be predictable and unwanted. I'm guessing something along the lines of him having to choose between cal and elen, with him picking cal. Elen probably dying for real this time, if not killed by him, then killed by cal. Sounds like a pretty lame situation though so hopefully it won't come to pass. |
| Pretty sure that's Elen. It was hinted that she didn't die in the last episode. It would be interesting if it wasn't her and it was just a lookalike assassin with just as much skill. |
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| If not for the end sequence, I would have called the episode a bust. It's crazy to me that Reiji would drag Cal down this path and then not make sure that she can protect herself (I got the feeling that it had been about a week since the last episode), or even think that Inferno would want to see progress like they did with him. Regardless, it's clear that they are setting up Reiji being torn between Cal and Ellen since he couldn't protect that guy from Ellen because he was thinking about Cal. Hopefully this gets into some entertaining territory soon. |
| i liked the new music that kicked in with the whole elen chase part. i was getting kinda annoyed with zwei's new overused porno theme. |
| the masochist says "hurt me! hurt me!" the sadist replies "no" |
| Put the picture in spoil tag. Anyway, it was good. Cal wasn't all that lolli even though she was young(you know what i mean), which makes it less annoying. |
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| Even though it was a serious scene, I couldn't help but be amused by the Sweeney Todd-esque murder method xD ANYWAY, overall, a decent episode with some nice plot build-up (aided by some a solid soundtrack - finally, something other than that weird hip-hop theme that sounds too much like 50 Cent). I'm actually looking forward to seeing where they go with this and hope it doesn't turn into a let-down. I have to agree about what's been said about Cal, though. She's certainly cute, but it's the annoying kind of cute. |
| Cool episode TBH, I love Cal's voice, and I laughed so hard at the shooting scenes. So yeah, obviusly Elen is alive. |
Falatorx said: Overall, the 2nd story arc is finally starting to pick up a bit, but i have a feeling that the end result is likely to be predictable and unwanted. I'm guessing something along the lines of him having to choose between cal and elen, with him picking cal. Elen probably dying for real this time, if not killed by him, then killed by cal. Sounds like a pretty lame situation though so hopefully it won't come to pass. Makes me wonder if it will silence the complaining about predictability should nothing of this come to pass. |
noteDhero said: If not for the end sequence, I would have called the episode a bust. It's crazy to me that Reiji would drag Cal down this path and then not make sure that she can protect herself (I got the feeling that it had been about a week since the last episode), or even think that Inferno would want to see progress like they did with him. How can one make sure that Cal can "protect herself" against a criminal organization like Inferno? The sad truth is that once Inferno wants her dead, she is dead, regardless of whatever he might do. Unless you try to send Cal into hiding, and then it would be Reiji who is in peril. Hopefully this gets into some entertaining territory soon. I don't think the show ever left it ;) It should be mentioned that the anime is very much hurrying things along. In the original game, we get a significant time slice now where Reiji and Cal are gradually bonding over several weeks. However, the preview already indicates that things are going to blow up FAST now. |
bubbleboy352 said: i liked the new music that kicked in with the whole elen chase part. i was getting kinda annoyed with zwei's new overused porno theme. LOL," porno theme". You Sir, are awsome. For this ep, it's kinda boring & zwei daydreaming or rather nightdreaming about Elen while being on mission & get his target killed certainly does not ease the boredom either. Hope nxt week salvate this one. |
 If he's not with us, he's AGAINST us!!! |
| Fairly good episode with the training and all. lol @ the food Cal made. Claudia you slut you.xd.Yeah that was definitely Ein their. Reji, you better get on your game-_-. Can't wait for next week:) |
DreddJul 6, 2009 12:39 AM
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| The end was just awesome!! |
| I don't think it was actually Ein, in the first episode they showed us a girl with same hair color and she looked lot like Ein. I think, it's her again. |
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Falatorx said: hopefully Reiji will get rid of Cal for the return of Elen. Cal is just plain annoying with her da niro imitations and loliness. It is sucking the seriousness out of the show. I couldn't agree more. Overall, boring episode. Cal is annoying, and Claudia is crazy slut xD I like her :P |
| It happened: loli with a gun -_-. Next episode: silver pocketwatch. Let's move action to Italy and call it Noir 2. If not Elen, I'd drop this series. |
GuroFXJul 6, 2009 5:38 AM
| A good development episode, IMO. Knowing some spoilers concerning Cal lets me appreciate these episodes a bit more. |
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| It was an ok episode. So Cal is going to become Drei? And go after Ein for killing Judy? |
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| I dont think ein will leave her masters side and get back with zwai... |
I`M A MURDERER |
| i'd hope she would..but she even almost got killed for him.it'd take a long time of undoing that brainwashing for zwei to win her back |
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| I loved the part when Cal was doing her DeNiro references and shooting the gun. This was such a good episode, it went back to everything it was in the beginning. I loved Ein and it sucked when she was "killed". I was just starting to accept that she was gone and I'd have to live with Cal as the replacement then BAM she's on the elevator! I'm so excited for the next episode! :D |
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Mentar said: How can one make sure that Cal can "protect herself" against a criminal organization like Inferno? The sad truth is that once Inferno wants her dead, she is dead, regardless of whatever he might do. Unless you try to send Cal into hiding, and then it would be Reiji who is in peril. I don't think the show ever left it ;) It should be mentioned that the anime is very much hurrying things along. In the original game, we get a significant time slice now where Reiji and Cal are gradually bonding over several weeks. However, the preview already indicates that things are going to blow up FAST now. I meant at least being able to shoot a gun...instead of shopping for clothes. It felt like it had been weeks since the previous episode, but everything was done so quickly I just assumed that it was just one week. @Skeptic All of those things did happen though. Ellen and Reiji were torn Romeo and Juliet style because of Inferno and Scythe. Ellen was made to go against Inferno, and Reiji chose to go against Claudia and Inferno to run away with Ellen. That didn't totally work and the two were pitted against each other, and "died." Now that they're both magically alive after being shot in the heart and falling into the bay, it looks as though the same cycle could happen again with the added drama of Cal seeking revenge. It's amazing to me that someone can come into a discussion topic after being on a website for less than a week, complain about the "general temperament" of fans, and then not even discuss the episode. edit: as a side note, my crazy self is really starting to look at the first arc as a twisted Romeo and Juliet with equally ridiculous resurrection imagery. |
noteDheroJul 6, 2009 11:57 AM
| Ein is back! |
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| going with an overall view of the series so far, and I think it's pretty damn good, most certainly one of the better ones running at this point in time .. but some changes seem necessary, Less Cal, More Elen, and Alot More Phantom Awesomeness : D |
| Protip: I don't really check the forums anymore, so if you want something, take it on my profile. Is it time for my long-awaited return to the forums? щ(ﾟДﾟщ) Nope™, probably not. |
| hmm Ein ? looks like her and Cal being a genius that's interesting XD |
noteDhero said: I meant at least being able to shoot a gun...instead of shopping for clothes. It felt like it had been weeks since the previous episode, but everything was done so quickly I just assumed that it was just one week. Looks like hardly a few days, in fact. It's amazing to me that someone can come into a discussion topic after being on a website for less than a week, complain about the "general temperament" of fans, and then not even discuss the episode. He definitely has a point though. It boggles my mind to have people bitching about something they predict the anime to do - usually incorrectly - and not to learn a thing about it. I mean, if I started to diss you in the "oh lord, I can already predict this fool to be completely wrong about everything, like always - gawd, when will he ever learn" style, just to find out that I've been wrong and you've been right, then _I_ would be embarrassed about it and tone it down as a consequence. Instead, we have a couple of people who have been pretty much wrong about mostly everything right off the bat, and who still continue to diss the show for what it has never done and never WILL do. Which is pretty annoying. So, his point is - to let me translate it - like this: "Criticize the show for what it DOES, not what you think it might do. Oh, and don't diss it for things you want it to do, but it doesn't". Which I'll subscribe to immediately. |
| But you know, to me that's the heart of discussion: to talk about what could happen vs. what does happen. Especially since this is an ongoing series that has a bit of a mystery edge to it. Do I think that it's a little crazy to decry a show for what it hasn't yet done? Yes. But to discuss or disagree with the way something is done is a totally valid thing to me. Otherwise, what is being talked about if we aren't speculating or disagreeing with execution? It's just a circle jerk of "I loved this episode!" "Can't wait for next week" "Epic episode is epic." |
noteDhero said: But you know, to me that's the heart of discussion: to talk about what could happen vs. what does happen. Especially since this is an ongoing series that has a bit of a mystery edge to it. Do I think that it's a little crazy to decry a show for what it hasn't yet done? Yes. But to discuss or disagree with the way something is done is a totally valid thing to me. Otherwise, what is being talked about if we aren't speculating or disagreeing with execution? It's just a circle jerk of "I loved this episode!" "Can't wait for next week" "Epic episode is epic." Oh, I 100% agree with you about all that. In fact, extrapolating and guessing is what's making mystery shows fun. And I also enjoy debating on how certain actions of characters should be interpreted - what caused them to say/do this? Does this indicate anything? All that is definitely worthwhile and fun. My problem is when judgment is added, particularly in the speculative parts. This is really irritating stuff. Imagine this: You happen to know a movie inside out, and you like it alot. Now, you're watching this with your friends on TV. And there's this one guy, who laments in every commercial break how predictable all this is, since it's sure that THAT is going to happen, while you know perfectly sure that it's not. He complains how cliche it all is, but unfortunately he's getting his facts wrong. He nags about the illogical actions of the lead character, while you know that he has failed to notice certain facts and simply misunderstood what was happening. Ever had that happen to you before? This can be EXTREMELY irritating. So, as long as the discussion is kept neutral in the form of "hmm, I don't get why he's been doing this. Wouldn't it be more logical to do this" or "I think that this is gonna happen", then that's all perfectly peachy, and a good basis for discussion. See the difference I'm trying to outline? All I'm asking for is restricting "valuing" criticism to facts that HAVE happened. Not what people (all too often incorrectly) assume to happen. |
nina4life said: Falatorx said: hopefully Reiji will get rid of Cal for the return of Elen. Cal is just plain annoying with her da niro imitations and loliness. It is sucking the seriousness out of the show. I couldn't agree more. Overall, boring episode. Cal is annoying, and Claudia is crazy slut xD I like her :P Count me in the Claudia Fan club too !!! "LIKE ?", don't you mean "Love" ? LOL |
If he's not with us, he's AGAINST us!!! |
Mentar said: Oh, I 100% agree with you about all that. In fact, extrapolating and guessing is what's making mystery shows fun. And I also enjoy debating on how certain actions of characters should be interpreted - what caused them to say/do this? Does this indicate anything? All that is definitely worthwhile and fun. My problem is when judgment is added, particularly in the speculative parts. This is really irritating stuff. Imagine this: You happen to know a movie inside out, and you like it alot. Now, you're watching this with your friends on TV. And there's this one guy, who laments in every commercial break how predictable all this is, since it's sure that THAT is going to happen, while you know perfectly sure that it's not. He complains how cliche it all is, but unfortunately he's getting his facts wrong. He nags about the illogical actions of the lead character, while you know that he has failed to notice certain facts and simply misunderstood what was happening. Ever had that happen to you before? This can be EXTREMELY irritating. So, as long as the discussion is kept neutral in the form of "hmm, I don't get why he's been doing this. Wouldn't it be more logical to do this" or "I think that this is gonna happen", then that's all perfectly peachy, and a good basis for discussion. See the difference I'm trying to outline? All I'm asking for is restricting "valuing" criticism to facts that HAVE happened. Not what people (all too often incorrectly) assume to happen. I see the difference, but I see no reason why someone can't eat their words (myself included) when they're wrong, or being challenged on that opinion. I personally would say something to the person, since I have seen it before, and I'd be perfectly fine with dragging out the conversaition, pointing out every instance of brilliance or good execution (I would also talk about the parts that I don't like since there are very few things I find to be perfect). What it comes down to is the way people engage each other. If it's not in a disrespectful manner, then people just need to set their personal feelings aside because it's the internet and this is anime. That's my problem with skeptic, he comes in on his high horse and bashes those who are being (ironically) skeptical and jaded with what's going on. |
| Decent episode, picked up towards the ending. I liked the soundtrack used at the end. Doesn't look like Cal is going to need that much gun practice, since she's already so good at it. |
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| I guess they left over the internal decision making for Reiji? |
| No man fails if he does his best - Orison Swett Marden |
jay50000 said: i like this ep cal is a true genius whit a gun. i do not understand why all of you like Elen she is a stupid bitch and a slave to sm i hope cal kills her at the end.Claudia is a very smart woman. Hell yeah, finally somebody agree with me !!! Really like your "she is a stupid bitch" statement & Welcome to Claudia's fanclub, hope Reiji tap her ass again, LOL. |
If he's not with us, he's AGAINST us!!! |
| Good episode. Pretty sure assassin/elevator lady was Elen. Can't shake that suspicious feeling about Cal, especially given how easily she handled the gun, genius or not. |
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| O___o Elen.... By the way, I still hate the Loli. |
| There is something about this episode which irritates me to no end. I think it is Cal, seriously, I am beginning to dislike her. lol, wat are the odds that a genius (Reiji) is training another more genius (Cal) (the hell!?!)? |
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| $5 that's not really Ein. |
| @Skeptic God, get a f***ing job and stop wasting time on your wrong "easily" predictable outcomes. This show is great... get over it. But this was carrying it a little far, don't you think? ^^;; (and for the record, I have a job...) Regardless of all the predictions made in the past discussion threads (can't remember them...can't remember if they were right or wrong...can't be bothered to search through them), I have yet to really be "Wow'd" by Phantom. There has never been a real "Surprise!" moment for me, and I'm longing to find one, which is why I keep watching. Why is Phantom getting harped on about so much? To be honest, I'm not sure. It may just be that it has some outspoken viewers xD I can only speak for myself, but I suppose that shows before Phantom have done better jobs at the same things (e.g. strategic plans, assassination plots, character development, animation), so Phantom has yet to offer anything fresh or different. I realize it's difficult to be "different" nowadays, but like I keep saying, it's all about execution. There were numerous incidences in the past where Phantom let me down when I thought it had something good going for it (e.g. during that big cliffhanger where we were all wondering if Ein and/or Reiji were alive after being shot by the docks, they went into an unnecessary recap episode; or, after Ein and Zwei went on the run from Inferno, the director/writer could have really pushed the excitement and tension further, but nothing really happened and Zwei gets caught in a parking lot in broad daylight). Also, to be honest, I haven't fallen in love with any of the characters yet. This is huge for me. If I can't love at least one or two characters, it becomes really hard to care for the plot. I think this may be due more to a poor adaptation of the source material than with the characters themselves (if that makes sense?) Someone wrote a comment in another discussion thread about a line of Ein's thoughts that are present in the VN but not in the anime, and those thoughts made me understand her a whole lot more and, as a result, I felt an inkling of sympathy for her. I can't really say much of the same for the other characters, though. Admittedly, I did like Reiji in the first arc due to his struggle to choose between his Reiji persona (and thus, his humanity) and his Zwei persona (and thus, his life), culminating around episode 5, when he killed that kid. In this new arc, though, he doesn't seem to care as much and so, as a result, I've stopped caring, too. |
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