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06-27-09, 2:13 AM

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renas explaining was pretty cool. the compare between a flower and a human.
a really deep ep, you shall not wish for a world which doesnt exist, and be happy about the happiness you gain in this world, is what i understood.
so next one is finally the last ep, doesnt looks too serious for me so its probably a joke ep.


 
06-27-09, 3:25 AM

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Ublah~ A dream? Oh well, I didn't like that world anyways D;
 
06-27-09, 7:22 AM

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The Episode was full of dialogues XD But I love the Ending. The Preview is .. strange o_o Aren't there some "Mad Rena" eyes?
 
06-27-09, 8:45 AM
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Spade said:
I thought dream-endings are forbidden? Isn't that already in the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions as well as in the Bible?

"Thou shalt not have an "it was all a dream" ending."

Oh well, at least it was good, it could have turned out a lot worse.


But it technically was a dream since Hanyuu herself said that she created that dream-world for Rika
 
06-27-09, 10:14 AM

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lol i dont mind the "Dream Ending" it was nice, i loved the dialogue. I love Higurashi Day Break the PSP game! lol its kinda awesome that they're making an episode about it! woot, can't wait to watch it..

Though..i feel like this is the end for Higurashi, i'm going to miss it T.T
 
06-27-09, 10:17 AM

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it wasn't a dream, tho.

hanyuu just seemed to tell her that to reassure her.
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in your nostromo.

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06-27-09, 12:39 PM

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I thought it was great! :)
It makes me sad though as you can feel is nearly ending.
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06-27-09, 12:58 PM

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tentacle_raep said:
it wasn't a dream, tho.

hanyuu just seemed to tell her that to reassure her.


Rewatch the last part, please. Hanyuu explained it in detail and it was a dream.
 
06-27-09, 1:03 PM

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Dream ending? I feel like I was lied to. *sob*

It was nice to see Ouka (and a Bernkastel reference) though. (:


 
06-27-09, 2:36 PM

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Ehm.. Talk about anticlimatic episode. These OVA episodes have been a real disappoint to me and have done nothing but bore me.

I don't know, maybe it's because I haven't read the manga or played the VN or whatever.
 
06-27-09, 3:32 PM

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Bah, disappointing episode. I expected a lot of blood. But no, I didn't get even tiny bit.

Anyway, this Rei OVA doesn't live up to all hype that original series earned. But still I'm being a Higurashi tard and will give to this OVA 8/10. Next episode is just random, so I'm rating from early.

Lol, I'm already planning to rewatch Higurashi two seasons.
 
06-27-09, 5:57 PM

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Well, Rika did admit she is the "Witch of Bernkastel"

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Awwww, Frederika was mentioned ~ ♥ yeye ~
Overall this episode was pretty nice. Though I'm gonna re-watch this after the subs are out so I can understand every line 8------D
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06-27-09, 6:43 PM

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I'm a bit confused xD was it really a dream? Or was it a dream because Rika choose her original world, and since she's human and can't imagine both worlds the other one was a dream? o.0 did that make sense.. that's what I got from it xD..
 
06-27-09, 9:03 PM

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For a "it was all a dream" ending, this episode was pretty good, and

;lajkdfl;sd Bernkastel! Good job in getting me psyched again for Umineko in a few days.
 
06-27-09, 11:43 PM

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wow that was fast, but i think it was good
just one more to go
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06-28-09, 1:52 AM

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AntiDentite said:
Some of you guys are really misunderstanding the ending.

The whole dream thing was Hanyuu's way of dismissing Rika's guilt, and telling her to live as a human, and to stop concerning herself with the alternate worlds.

It was as much a dream as any of the other worlds we've seen.

So all the other worlds were just Hanyuu punishing Rika as well? Cause sheesh, for there to be 100 years of punishment, I just gotta wonder what Rika did to deserve that, other than getting sliced and diced by Takano a billion times.

Dallas ending was meh. How can it be a Higurashi arc if nobody dies?
 
06-28-09, 4:52 AM

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Spade said:
tentacle_raep said:
it wasn't a dream, tho.

hanyuu just seemed to tell her that to reassure her.


Rewatch the last part, please. Hanyuu explained it in detail and it was a dream.
I did.

Unless the fansubbers screwed it up, it didn't seem to be that way.
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06-28-09, 10:00 AM

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It's a dream because as a human she can't properly conceive two separate realities. That was the whole reason behind Hanyu's dismissal, Rena's flower metaphor, and Rika's closing of the episode.

They were very explicit in getting that point across since they spent the whole half of the episode discussing it. Fansubbers didn't screw it up. I think they did a good job.
 
06-28-09, 1:44 PM

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Ah, one more episode left. Mahjong?
 
06-28-09, 3:19 PM

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noteDhero said:
It's a dream because as a human she can't properly conceive two separate realities. That was the whole reason behind Hanyu's dismissal, Rena's flower metaphor, and Rika's closing of the episode.

They were very explicit in getting that point across since they spent the whole half of the episode discussing it. Fansubbers didn't screw it up. I think they did a good job.

That point was all fine and well until Hanyuu went and ruined it by saying that she fabricated that world as punishment for Rika.

 
06-28-09, 3:27 PM

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Ahh, I just remembered that part. Now I'm fuzzy as to what happened, but wasn't Rika still harping on trying to wrap her mind around it all? I assumed that Hanyuu was saying this to try to ease her mind, take the blame away from Rika, and place it on herself. Something more concrete that Rika can understand.

Either way, I do think that that world was a punishment for Rika (who carelessly threw her life away in the second episode) to get her to understand the gravity of her life and realize how hard she had worked to get to that point.
 
06-28-09, 6:21 PM

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I really didn't enjoy this episode. Higurashi doesn't have to go the buckets of blood route for me to be happy, but an episode of almost pure exposition is just poor writing, especially as a finale. These feelings and meanings to the worlds should have become apparent from Rika's experience, not just been talked into neat little packages by Hanyuu and Rena's respective speeches. Show don't tell, you know?

Hanyuu's past and the sudden Bernkastel mention are almost interesting, but they're just too isolated. They have almost no meaning to someone like me who's stuck to the anime, and clearly aren't going to receive any further development this season. Seems like a rather artless appeal to the fans of the outside material, but that's probably me being cynical.

Next episode looks rather fun, at least. I'd look forward to it, but I'm probably better off forgetting about it for now with the wait as long as it is.
 
06-28-09, 9:38 PM

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I like this episode because of the point they were trying to make even if "it was a dream". Rika has to stop looking at different realities as a god and only look at one as a human as Rena mentioned. The Bernkastel reference may raise a few eyebrows to anime only fans, but at the same time like someone mentioned earlier, give them anticipation for Umineko.

I know some Higurashi fans only like Higurashi because of the psycho horror but that's only in the first season, real Higurashi is the one that gives you a bunch of information and up to you to decide what's really going on, that's what I like about Higurashi the most.
 
06-28-09, 10:26 PM

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But Rika had already been world-hopping for 100 fricking years.

She should perfectly understand the disconnect between the worlds.

It made no sense.
 
06-28-09, 10:40 PM

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She never needed to understand the disconnect because to her it was one shitty world to the next. She clearly never considered her place in one world to another because it was all the same to her. You forget just how taken aback she was with all of the differences in that world. There were always a few variables, but much of the plot points were the same. So of course when she is confronted with the choice between a seemingly perfect world from the get go and a world that took hard work to get to a good place, she needed to consider (for the first time) her and Hanyuu's place in the whole thing.
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06-28-09, 10:56 PM

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I can absolutely understand her choice regarding her own feelings.

But don't you remember when she was back with Keiichi & gang, and she explained the "perfect" world, she behaved like she had wronged them by robbing them of the sinless life they had and re-burdened them once more, which is just retarded, since the Hinamizawa and its people in the perfect world is completely isolated from that of the world where Rika and gang fought so hard to attain.

And that whole feeling of Rika's regret is something I just can't comprehend.
 
06-29-09, 1:58 AM

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Can anyone explained about the name "witch of Bernkastel", please? Since I never play VN and so I kind of lost here. I dont get why Rika mentioned this name.
 
06-29-09, 5:19 AM

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Few things You may like to think about.
Remember when she woke up? Well, she thought that she did killed her mother. What does that mean? Whether she actually did it or not is irrelevant, but what's important is the fact that she considered her choice to be that way. Why did she willingly choose an imperfect world? The answer is simple, isn't it? And I don't blame her. After all, she's only a human.

Also, Hanyuu seemed a bit reluctant when answering if it was a dream or not... maybe it's true that her explanation was just a white lie to let off Rika's guilt? Even if it's not, along with above interpretation, it makes Furude Rika much more interesting character than I've ever expected.

Overall, I loved it just as much as I loved the whole series.
 
06-29-09, 7:06 AM

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Hmm... I dunno why, but I had a feeling that Hanyuu's daughter may be Bernkastel. Haven't played Umineko, so I don't know very much about her.

I really liked this episode. Found it very meaningful, and Rika learned a lot.
 
06-29-09, 5:40 PM

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Ohh Higurashi I love youuuu <3

This was nice. Rena had some deep words, Rika and the whole world choosing was amazing. I don't mind the lack of blood although that would've been the Higurashi I came to love and fear, but overall I've enjoyed this OVA and I can't wait for the next silly one it seems.
 
06-29-09, 9:11 PM

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I have a friend who's a huge fan of Higurashi as well (she's the one who pulled me into the series, hehe), and she has the VN knowledge; she's given me tidbits here and there: like the whole broccoli versus cauliflower thing (which is green).

So, the Berncastel thing was exciting to see, but not having played the games myself, I'm still a little hazy on that... Otherwise, I thought that this ep was a good close on the anime. I'm looking forward to the next episode, The Daybreak Chapter.

By the way, the episode has been subbed, the subs are just pretty bad. Check Youtube to find it.
 
06-30-09, 12:11 AM

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Prepare to be shocked. This is the worst single anime episode I have ever seen ever. All that happens in this episode is walls and walls and dreary boring text. Whatever message they were trying to convey could have been summed up in 5 minutes, but no. We are inflicted with a solid half hour of nonsense that ends up being entirely inconsequential to the story. All they do is prattle on about how both worlds are subjectively equal. I got the message right away. They kicked that dead horse till time was up. I thought this OVA was going to answer a lot about Himizawa mystery. Guess it was just filler.
 
06-30-09, 6:43 PM

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Does the visual novel have an english translation? If yes where can I download the translated game?
 
07-01-09, 5:27 AM

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Prepare to be shocked. This is the worst single anime episode I have ever seen ever. All that happens in this episode is walls and walls and dreary boring text. Whatever message they were trying to convey could have been summed up in 5 minutes, but no. We are inflicted with a solid half hour of nonsense that ends up being entirely inconsequential to the story. All they do is prattle on about how both worlds are subjectively equal. I got the message right away. They kicked that dead horse till time was up. I thought this OVA was going to answer a lot about Himizawa mystery. Guess it was just filler.


Sheesh, then you definitely wouldn't enjoy reading the Higurashi VNs.
Either that, or I must have a godly long attention span (I've been known to play VNs for hours upon hours without losing interest).

I really liked this episode, personally. It gave you a lot to think about and I'm a sucker for long-winded speeches.

Also, about Bernkastel: (spoiler because you won't find any of this out until you read ALL of Umineko)

 
07-01-09, 9:19 AM

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I was slightly looking forward to Rika killing her mother...rofl, but this OVA was surely worth watching. One more episode and we won't see these characters in anime ever again? I really hope not, but at least we get a slight lead in to Umineko ;D
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07-01-09, 8:08 PM

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Good episode, I guess. One thing that bugs me though: what happened to Hanyuu? Didn't she become real (i.e. possessing a physical body) during the final arc in Higurashi Kai?
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07-02-09, 2:33 AM

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well for all those who pass by i thought i'd just leave this here

http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/Higurashi+no+Naku+Koro+ni+Rei#watch%3Dv186838353EJ2hqFx

for ep 4 of season2 guys :)
 
07-02-09, 6:41 AM

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When I first saw Higurashi Rei Ep 4 without subs as soon as it came out and saw a conspicous lack of matricide or any violence at all I was disappointed. Episode 3 had gotten me excited for what would be Higurashi's last violent psycho murder. when I heard that the only way Rika would be able to return to the world she had spent more than a century trying to bring about was to kill her mother I thought we'd be getting a nostalgic return to season 1. What else was the point of Rika's rather gratuitous pummeling of her longtime best friend besides to establish how much of a toll this new world was taking on Rika's already taxed sanity? Maybe even insinuating that it might be enough to let the Syndrome to start taking hold. Rika was freaking SCARY the way she was talking to her after beating her. But no, after all that all we got was a lot of dialogue and then an "It was all a dream" ending.

But after I had gotten a chance to see what was in those 25 minutes of almost pure dialogue and that it wasn't a true "it was all a dream" ending I didn't feel so betrayed. It's still not Higurashi the way we anime only fans know it as, but that doesn't mean it was a bad ending. The seasons have progressively grown to be more and more about Rika with the first season where Rika just a main character, the second the protaganist and finally in the third Hinamizawa and the rest of the characters cease to matter. Season three is simply how Hanyuu rehabilitates Rika so that she can live in the Hinamizawa that she had created with all it's imperfections. Rika needed to get over having temporarily granted some of the powers of a god . Because she had spent the past 100 years trying to fix Hinamizawa by using her knowledge of the future, which from her point of view was the past, she would continue to try doing so in her new life because she didn't have any experience being a normal human.

Normal humans learn from memories. Dreams are memories that come from worlds we create with our unconscous mind. Neither the worlds Rika creates with her unconscous nor the worlds she had been to with Hanyuu existed in her new world. So Hanyuu's explanation of her trip to a different world as a dream was to discourage her from trying to apply memories which were essentially dreams to her life the same way she would real memories, because if she did then her vision of reality would be hopelessly skewed and she'd go crazy.

The choice Hanyuu gave Rika was a test to see if she could give up the pride and aloofness that having the powers of a god inevitably gave her. In the world with the dam Rika was a pariah because of her cold demenor. This is what Rika's life would have become like if she were reborn and had to relive her life. Hanyuu wanted to see if Rika could give up what the way she had been living: trying to correct every problem to create a perfect world. The best case scenario if she tried to live that way is that she would somehow succeed but at the cost of everyone shunning her for acting arrogantly and interfereing in their lives.

Of course, that would lead Rika to the conclusion that doing anything would just result in more problems and that isn't a very healthy attitude. So Hanyuu's condition that she must kill her mother to return to the new world showed her that by staying in her new world Rika had created she had killed all the people who were not alive in it like Satako's parent's and her mom whether she did it by acting or not acting.

So ultimately Hanyuu's goal was to teach Rika that from now on her actions or lack of actions would have permanent consequences and that she would not be able to depend on Hanyuu to reset things if she messed up or her memories of alternate worlds to accurately predict the future anymore. There are multiple meanings to this episode which is why I like it even if I was disappointed that they cut out the scene of her killing her mother. I would have at least liked to hear more about it than one sentence after she woke up. I dont know why they didn't show it, They truck scene was just as bloody as any other Higurashi episode so it's not that they are trying to censor the blood.
 
07-02-09, 1:03 PM

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You gave it a lot of thought, didn't You?
Quite a nice explanation.

The only thing I would like to add is what I thought about few minutes ago.

"She had to kill her mother"
If You think about it, it can be interpreted in this way: she woke up in a world where her parents were alive, where she could have a perfectly normal life as a kid. To return to previous world she had to kill her own parent... who was in fact already dead in her original world, right?

To kill her may also mean to leave the past behind. She had to forget about her mother and accept that she is already dead. Even if she was happy seeing her in this world, if she want to return, she have to accept her death. Had to kill her in her own mind.

Adds yet another interesting element to the interpretation of this dream-like world Hanyuu created for her, don't You think?
 
07-05-09, 6:13 AM

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Decent ep, not great, not terrible really, but it seemed a little too full of exposition. I got the point of it, but I wanted to see something actually happen.

One point of confusion though: I get more or less who Fredrika Bernkastel (sp?) is, but is the episode implying that Rika is related to her, or is she just comparing herself to Fredrika?

Looking forward to ep 5 though, seeing the Daybreak arc get animated was pretty much the reason I watched this OVA.

 
07-05-09, 9:56 AM

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Oh man, Rika got totally trolled by Hanyuu in the end.

I like this ep though. I give it a 4/5 for explaining a few questions that I had about Higurashi for some time.
 
07-07-09, 12:36 PM

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You gave it a lot of thought, didn't You?
Quite a nice explanation.

The only thing I would like to add is what I thought about few minutes ago.

"She had to kill her mother"
If You think about it, it can be interpreted in this way: she woke up in a world where her parents were alive, where she could have a perfectly normal life as a kid. To return to previous world she had to kill her own parent... who was in fact already dead in her original world, right?

To kill her may also mean to leave the past behind. She had to forget about her mother and accept that she is already dead. Even if she was happy seeing her in this world, if she want to return, she have to accept her death. Had to kill her in her own mind.

Adds yet another interesting element to the interpretation of this dream-like world Hanyuu created for her, don't You think?


Is pretty much how I intrepreted it, it wasnt a case that Studio Deen didnt want to animate another killing, the point is Rika DIDNT actually kill her mother, when she wakes up in the imperfect world she assumes she did the act, but its never confirmed.

Hanyuu's interpretation is she 'killed' her mother by choosing to return to a world where her mother was already dead.
 
07-08-09, 6:01 AM

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looks like the next episode is the last and lol rena is gonna be a playgirl

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07-09-09, 10:13 AM

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I liked this episode. I thought it was a really brave choice to go for an actionless, line-heavy episode after all the build up from episode 3. The witch comment was strange to me, but besides that, really awesome.


Yep, it was a very straightforward and hard choice to make, but the result is on par with the risk. One of the best Higurashi episodes ever, by far, and a masterpiece scenaristically speaking. A worthy ending for this wonderful saga.

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07-09-09, 7:20 PM

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All of these episodes have been pretty horrible and I am thoroughly disappointed; I feel like I've been wasting my time on these. Way too much explanation of the same thing over and over again, hugely anti-climactic, absolutely nothing going on action-wise, blah :(
I still love Higurashi to death so sadly, I'll be watching the last OVA even though it also looks like a complete waste of time as well, but my rating will probably hit a 5 for these.
 
07-09-09, 7:22 PM

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Here is what I think.

Rika DID kill her mother, and Hanyuu is only telling her it was a dream to try and preserve her sanity.
 
07-09-09, 7:37 PM

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Here is what I think.

Rika DID kill her mother, and Hanyuu is only telling her it was a dream to try and preserve her sanity.


I don't think that the sanity of Rika would goes off with that because of everything she had endured this far. I do think that Rika did kill her mother and that Hanyuu told her that all of this was a dream so that Rika feel more at ease, as a friend I think Hanyuu did well.
If Hanyuu would have told Rika that she had kill her parent she would have regret, that would mean that the peace she have now has come with the price of her mother and she would always have this on her concious.
Now Hanyuu did took this opportunity to teach a lesson to Rika
 
07-10-09, 6:29 AM

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So after all that .. turned out that its only a dream ...

oh well .. great episode .. quite touching xD


 
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There is so much philosophy in this episode, which is very good. It shows that I am not the only one crazy out there.....

In other words, suppose Rika lost her power to go between worlds. Then, whatever happened in the other worlds become completely MEANINGLESS to her, as if they were a dream. This is simply because what happened in these world never happened in the current one, they remain as "what if"s but never actually realize.

To compare one world to the next is something only an entity that can travel between them can do, such as the witch Bernkastel, and to some extend the witch Beatrice (although it's a bit different). Man, want to finish Umineko already......
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07-13-09, 5:29 PM

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I watched Higurashi (2 seasons and OVA) after 2 episodes of Umineko and... the references in this episode got me more hyped for the latter. ^^

So next OVA episode will be some random comedy?
 
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