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05-30-09, 9:52 PM

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i think this was probably the best episode so far by comparison, but i wish this show weren't so obsessed with Johnnies. seriously, stop it!

if the next episode is made of utter fail though, i might drop it, i've been contemplating it or a while, if i were marathoning it, i probably would've dropped it long ago, but at one episode per week, it's a nice distraction while i wait for the new Basquash! to come out.
 
05-30-09, 11:52 PM

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I really hate Ohsuji. I wish got his Jonny chopped off. I really like Akira, i dont things to go badly for him. >:[
 
05-31-09, 12:51 AM

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nice progression, too bad it stopped just as things were getting started, insterested in seeing where this will go
 
05-31-09, 4:08 AM

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Saki lied and said there was no one at the hotel when she got there. Very interesting.
 
05-31-09, 6:55 AM

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Yutaka "Panties" Itazu

Hiyama, Nobuyuki


Has anyone noticed this seiyuu thing? :D
 
05-31-09, 7:00 AM

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Another Wtf is happening? episode.
 
05-31-09, 9:30 AM

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Eh, I love the show's concept and the world of the selacao. But i'm losing interest in the story they're telling and the characters they're concentrating on. I'd much rather have it be more about the selacao and Akira. I'm uninterested in the EotE project and Saki and her friends etc
 
05-31-09, 10:22 AM

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Bahasuke said:
Yutaka "Panties" Itazu

Hiyama, Nobuyuki


Has anyone noticed this seiyuu thing? :D


o lolz nice spot didnt see that coming
does any one else know other instances like this one? =D
 
05-31-09, 12:26 PM

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looks like ohsugi is dead set on finding out who takizawa really is, and just wants to get rid of him, that all there is to it
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05-31-09, 3:40 PM

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I don't really see how people think this was a slow episode. This was "quintessential" EoE where they manage to be pretty contained within location while spewing out lots of plot development from dialogue and characters. Just that first scene with Akira on the couch efficiently squared away all of the questions with Ohsugi in a competent manner. Not to mention the fluid introduction of Pantsu and a little progression on finding out who Akira is by using Ohsugi.

So I am a little bit worried about what's going to happen in the next 3 episodes and movie, but from a storytelling perspective, they've done a really, really good job, and the only thing that should be particularly worrisome is the intrusion of fantastical elements.
 
05-31-09, 3:48 PM

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Perhaps the 11 episodes is some sort of "question arc", like it builds up the story, and the movie will conclude everything? if the movie is going to be 1.5 hours, then thats about 4 episodes so it could be done.
 
05-31-09, 7:01 PM

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So Ohsugi didn't get kidnapped (too bad), and Shiratori isn't that bad after all.
 
05-31-09, 7:26 PM

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How can this series possibly end after only 13 episodes????????????? IMPOSSIBLE I say!

Still loved this episode even though i have no idea whats going on.
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05-31-09, 9:00 PM

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I'm bracing for hardcore plot development on next episode, like on ep 6.

Looking forward to it.
 
05-31-09, 9:42 PM
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not one of the better episode; a lot of talking but it was still good.
 
05-31-09, 9:50 PM

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I don't really see how people think this was a slow episode.


1.) This was the 'slowest' and most uneventful episode of the series thus far (based off my memory... since I don't have the episodes in front of me right now). There is no argument for episode 1, 6, or 7 being slower than this one. Episodes 3 and 4 cycled through the life and death of 1 selecao each and explained the game. Episode 5 introduced a new Selecao, reintroduced I, and ended on a significant note. Episode 2 did a lot for establishing Akira and Saki as characters and as a relationship.

I think it's quite easy to see why people would call this episode slow. Pacing is largely dependent on action or information and this episode didn't really deliver in either. We already knew about Akira's different identities (episode 1). They explained what happened to Ohsugi (though, if you were paying attention, you could've already came to the same rough conclusion). They introduced Pantsu but it was just a rough introduction and they didn't really work him into the overall picture yet. They did a bit of work in establishing Ohsugi's rivalry with Akira... but again, the previous events already set the table. This episode was really just stating the obvious.

2.) Context. We're approaching the end of the series and since episode 5, the events of the story have been progressing with increasing momentum. Episode 8 was a drop off and whenever you have such a change-up, it sticks out like a sore thumb. At this point, we were expecting a lot with only a handful of episodes left and a lot of ground to cover and we didn't really get something on par with the expectations created by the mounting intensity of episodes 5, 6, and 7. I think most of us including you are developing a sense of urgency that this episode really didn't share.

So I am a little bit worried about what's going to happen in the next 3 episodes and movie, but from a storytelling perspective, they've done a really, really good job, and the only thing that should be particularly worrisome is the intrusion of fantastical elements.


Well, we kind of had this argument before but I disagree here. I think they've been inconsistent in their pacing and in their story-telling ability. I thought they did a wonderful job of establishing certain things but a pretty crappy job in detailing other aspects of the anime. The subtlety of certain things in this anime has really made me happy since even some of the most complex animes are horribly blunt but things have also seemed very contrived at times.
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05-31-09, 10:47 PM

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Damn Johnnies. Lol.

But overall, quite a good episode, though I liked 6 and the previous one bit better.
 
05-31-09, 10:55 PM

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this episode shocked me... star trek was played in the middle of the episode,,,, gah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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05-31-09, 10:56 PM

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this episode shocked me... star trek was played in the middle of the episode,,,, gah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Lol. ^^ Nice.
 
05-31-09, 10:58 PM

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"johnny hunter" episode is the wackiest episode!!!! hahaha lol
 
06-01-09, 2:09 AM

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Lol. I wonder what he meant by that.

Also at the start of the episode 'johnny hunter' was calling takizawa, did he miss the call or what ? I wonder how they are gonna end this with so few little episodes left and a movie ofc. Hope they don't rush it and is actually well planned.
 
06-01-09, 2:23 AM
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How can this series possibly end after only 13 episodes????????????? IMPOSSIBLE I say!


11 episodes you mean.

But we still got the movie.
 
06-01-09, 11:04 AM

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I don't want this series to end soon T_______T
 
06-01-09, 4:25 PM

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ok episode. And what's up with Star Trek trailer? The plot still isn't perfectly clear to me, I hope next episodes sum something up.
 
06-01-09, 4:40 PM

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chie_oink said:
"johnny hunter" episode is the wackiest episode!!!! hahaha lol


Yeah, this show and its natural affiliation with johnnies is very WTF indeed.
 
06-02-09, 1:15 AM

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May the real Ohsugi please die.
he's a pain in the ...
 
06-02-09, 2:32 AM

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Fabienne said:
May the real Ohsugi please die.
he's a pain in the ...


for real, I hope he either changes or... disappear!

 
06-02-09, 10:20 PM

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Is there going to be a second season or is this it?
 
06-02-09, 11:04 PM

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I wonder how they'll wrap up the story in only 3 remaining episodes.
 
06-03-09, 5:51 AM

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noteDhero said:
I don't really see how people think this was a slow episode. This was "quintessential" EoE where they manage to be pretty contained within location while spewing out lots of plot development from dialogue and characters. Just that first scene with Akira on the couch efficiently squared away all of the questions with Ohsugi in a competent manner. Not to mention the fluid introduction of Pantsu and a little progression on finding out who Akira is by using Ohsugi.

So I am a little bit worried about what's going to happen in the next 3 episodes and movie, but from a storytelling perspective, they've done a really, really good job, and the only thing that should be particularly worrisome is the intrusion of fantastical elements.


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06-03-09, 6:14 AM

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I think there's nothing to fear about fantastical elements: the winged XI was just a joke played by the authors on us, and so far the crazy feel of the series is coming from the absolute power Juiz seems to hold only.

Other than the "Eden of the East" system and "money-->done" (which is actually a very solid rule of our contemporary world), it looks all very realistic to me.
 
06-03-09, 6:31 AM

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Welll, I don't mind them either, but some people certainly have a problem with it. They were fine when it was relegated to the Johnnys that were hounding Akira in a delusion, but they were angry when it was basically the same kind of thing (with a better explanation) with Saki.

@Brian333
I agree with you for the most part, but I still think that overall, this episode kept the on the ground running when it could have stayed stagnant with harping on what happened to Ohusugi and talking about (not introducing) Pantsu. Even though the set up of Ohusugi's rivalry with Akira had begun before he got kidnapped, this is the first time that Ohsugi is taking action "against" Akira, leading to the possibility that we get to know who Akira is (since Akira himself seems to not really care)

I agree about the sense of urgency, but at the same time, I understand that as a story, everything can't build up from one thing to the next. Good storytelling allows for denoument and proper pacing, which, while we as viewers get impatient with, keeps everything in the show from becoming a total mess of fanservice.
 
06-03-09, 6:36 AM

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Is there going to be a second season or is this it?


As of now, nope. But there will be a movie.
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06-03-09, 6:42 AM

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noteDhero said:
... when it was basically the same kind of thing (with a better explanation) with Saki.


I can't seem to remember what you are talking about... ^^"
Is it about the illusion?
 
06-03-09, 9:09 AM

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Yeah. When Akira went off the side of the highway and those creepy white Johnnies were all over him. In presentation, the execution was very similar, and with Shiratori we at least got the footnote on the phone.

With Akira's little trip, it was completely out of nowhere. Did he bump his head? Was it a random thought? Was he on drugs? I have no clue, but most everyone liked it and found it funny.

I guess because there was no humor in the wings people are more "WTF this is bad," but honestly, those Johnnys are much more WTF since there was no explanation at all.
 
06-03-09, 11:47 AM

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Yeah. When Akira went off the side of the highway and those creepy white Johnnies were all over him. In presentation, the execution was very similar, and with Shiratori we at least got the footnote on the phone.

With Akira's little trip, it was completely out of nowhere. Did he bump his head? Was it a random thought? Was he on drugs? I have no clue, but most everyone liked it and found it funny.

I guess because there was no humor in the wings people are more "WTF this is bad," but honestly, those Johnnys are much more WTF since there was no explanation at all.


I see your point, and I must agree with it. I have a little theory about those Johnnies (I completely forgot he called them that way lol) concerning NEETs and Akira's link with them, but it's too faint right now.

I hope we see more puppet Johnnies next ep. :P
 
06-03-09, 4:22 PM

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Jason Bourne?

 
06-03-09, 10:17 PM

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I still greatly enjoy this series. Still the best this season in my opinion but like many here I'm getting worried on how they will wrap this up. Granted there is three episodes and a movie due to conclude it but right now with all the stuff that's going on that remains unresolved and the fact they keep adding onto it, it's gonna take some good writers to work their way out of this "hole" they seem to be digging.

I don't think the story is bad at all so don't get the wrong idea but I do think with the time that is left that they seem to want to tell this story in, it seems rather hard that they will be able to do it in a manner that will truly do the series justice and not either be so watered down or rushed or nonsensical or everything that can go wrong with an ending. This is one of the few times I will stay optimistic about how something might wrap up instead of fearing the worse but we'll just have to wait and see.

A thing I will say is that like Kira mentioned with all the mixing up, I'm starting to think some of these incidences like the thing with the 20,000 NEETS might be either a misleading over blowing of what happened or something of the like because with little explanation of it and with a lot of people unsure about the events, it makes sense that some of these events got either somewhat distorted on what either really happened or combined with other news stories like the Johnny Hunter and shootings. I think because of they might be throwing some false hints out there to take you down the wrong path to later unveil everything so they have you thinking one way but do something else. Might be an odd guess on my part but just a thought
 
06-04-09, 9:42 AM

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I disagree... for one thing, only two Selecão have been killed, 4 and 5 (Kondou and Hiura) up to now, the dead ones' symbols on the Selecão phones are not illuminated anymore. So there weren't Selecão going around just gunning down others, and Takizawa can't be the Supporter, because he did not kill either of them, not even the one where the killer was not identifiable.

For another, the (supposed) NEET recognizing Takizawa near the shopping mall indicates that Takizawa actually helped those people by forcibly relocating them to Dubai. I don't agree with the methods, but I am of the opinion that the writers intended to show that he didn't do bad by that, so he isn't as such a dangerous person, but a person who uses unconventional means to achieve a goal.

Edit: Another thing are the missiles. They reportedly did not cause casualties until No. 11 hit, and I have an inkling that it was not Takizawa who ordered that one (could be wrong on this). While again, I do not agree with the method, it was shown in the anime that some, especially young people, considered the missile hits an almost-good-thing (regardless of property damage, apparently). Another one for the 'means well, uses excessive means' characteristic I surmise to have been present in the Takizawa before the memory erasure.
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06-04-09, 5:39 PM

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Micchon gets even better and better.
 
06-05-09, 10:04 AM

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Awesome. I kinda like this Pantsu guy.
Also Micchon is absolutely adorable.

Nice to know that everyone's safe after last episode but I'm now quite confused as to what was real and was wasn't from there.
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06-05-09, 4:37 PM

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This episode was more on the humorous side, I really enjoyed it! If it's not Johnnies they're talking about then it's panties lololol. With the introduction of "Panties" *LMAO his nickname just kills me* I'm sure he'll be able to get Selecao IV cell phone working again and then we can get some answers and maybe more information about Mr. Outside. Panties already seems to know alot about and is following the Selecaos requests as Juiz performs them so he's the ultimate ally.

Question: Everyone seems to be fascinated with Mr. Outside but what about Juiz? I want to know more about the person or intelligence as the voice over the phone.


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06-05-09, 9:45 PM

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interesting. the series moves a bit too quickly for me, but that's alright i guess.

whose phone did he have? was that IV's, or did he actually find it in his mall? i don't remember anything about him finding a second phone.

He got it from the one detective guy that got stabbed in the early episodes.

Anyways things are getting exciting again since they introduced that new character named "Panties" and he'll somehow find out something about Akira that the audience doesn't know about. But I kind of disliked the cliffhanger and the "supernatural" illusion thing made by that serial killer woman. The latter doesn't make still doesn't make sense to me yet...
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For all due respect sir, that's pretty screwed up right there.
 
06-07-09, 1:42 PM

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Pantsu = Itazu.

Now if i changed the kanji in my name, it would be something messed up.
 
06-16-09, 12:40 AM

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Haha, Pantsu is a nice name.
God Ohsugi is annoying.
 
06-18-09, 5:15 PM

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Wow, that was the first time I ever heard of someone with the name "pantsu." Well I gotta say, this series is losing it's luster for me. Just not as good as how it started.
 
06-19-09, 4:32 PM

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I didn't like this episode, nothing interest (IMO) has happened in this epi...

Also, I wonder how the story will end
 
06-20-09, 3:48 PM

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While this episode is little boring, I don’t know if this series would be end in a nice way because there’s few episodes left, so I hope these episodes don’t rush at all. Oh, Ohsugi is annoying.
 
07-02-09, 2:41 AM

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Geez, Ohsugi, Akira tried to save you...
 
07-19-09, 10:00 PM

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um, if students from the University are all identifying Takizawa (albeit by different aliases), doesn't that mean he's been hanging around or attending their school?
 
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