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Dilly29 said: midnightsymphony said: Well, then. As for this episode, it was very slowly paced. I know that the whole series has been up to this point, but dragging this thing out to two episodes (or whatever it has been) is really pushing it. But yea, I was totally thinking the exact same thing as you! Dragging this out to the point it's put into two episodes was unacceptable! I don't see such benefit from doing that. Gaaah blah~ - - - Overall, I enjoyed this episode a lot especially since I've waited for this damn episode for more than a month (since I started reading the manga at episode 2), which was longer than necessary since we all know that they squeezed in two crummy fillers. I love how visual they were at the distinct changes in Mikage. The tears part was nice, although I remember it being more sad in the manga. I was impressed with the apparance of the eye of Mikhal, he looked really cool! I hope people didn't miss him~! (20:46 :P) Things I don't like? Errr where do I start XD? I think it just really sucks how the anime loses out a lot of the awe factor because of the way they presented the plot and characters in previous episodes. Zehel's "official" (he technically appeared for a split second in episode 4, but I don't think any non-manga fans noticed) first appearance? I don't think anyone has made any comment about him in this thread so far other than people who read the manga. I remembered going "wtf?!" in the manga when it came to Zehel. In this episode, they made it so obvious that it was Frau because of that moment where he sorta whips out his scythe. What ever happened to the dummy Frau?! I was looking forward to that, it was so funny (he was drooling right?). Nonetheless though, I'm still glad that he finally showed up XD I think the awe factor with the eye of Mikhal is also taken away because of the previous two episodes :(... *sighs~* I guess I should be glad that they are back on track with the manga XD. But something tells me that this isn't going to last for very long... |
robbydesuMay 28, 2009 1:45 AM
| finally..stupid..chains..gone..thats all i care about..lots of complaints..maybe i should read the manga |
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sailorlitakino said: this episode was extremely boring and confused the heck outta me : Dropped. |
YuaLaurant said: That's too bad :(sailorlitakino said: this episode was extremely boring and confused the heck outta me : Dropped. |
| they seriously DO have an issue with pacing I wanna stick with this so bad (and to do that I'd probably have to avoid the manga or I'd otherwise drop this so quick cuz it DOES feel too slow...) ...and they do have a bad habit of sticking cliffhangers at the end...do they think cliffhangers will hook more people or something? ....sigh... Well this episode was nice in that the Eye of Mikhail awakened (yay it possesses him! Not just spontaneously pops out like the previous eps---that's just plain BORING--- ) And the ghost from Frau was cool but.....he just had to wander around looking like a lost idiot afterwards ._.; Frau...your cool factor dropped a bit there.... And I so LOLed at the "Let's trade your chains for an eyeball collar!" ....Made Teito look like he couldn't take his chains off by himself <__< |
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| Embarrassing, if i was the writer for this series, i would be clearing out my desk right about now. With untold years worth of materials to draw from when making an "friend betraying friend against will" scene, that is the best they could do, with that... dialogue? I never read the manga so i can only go by what i see. Why am i supposed to care that they're now fighting? the series did an unacceptable job of showing (rather than him just constantly telling us that mikeage is his friend which is nice for information uses i suppose, but not much more) the relationship between the two of them so it comes as little surprise that a moment like this has people waiting for it be over rather than agonizing over friend having to fight friend. The lack of humanizing our main characters also leads to the lack of a real "arch enemy" since Ayanami is a rather bland character whom is totally undeveloped except he did some stuff to mikage. I'll probably watch the next episode to see what is up with teito's awakening, but since this series is infamous for having poor combat and dialogue, i'm not expecting much. |
Sporkness said: Me too XD anyway, I'm glad that he's finally rid of the chains. Why didn't he ever ask anyone if there was any other way to get them off? Why didn't anyone offer? Sleeping with them on must have really sucked D= Anyway, I just found this anime and I'm I glad I did. Lots of shonen-ai potential ^_^ and I like the main characters, which isn't common with me. Can anyone who reads the manga tell me if there's any more scenes that might appeal to a BL fangirl in the future? A lot of sites list the series as 'romance' but not as 'shonen-ai' so I was wondering if a girl appears in either boy's life in the future? *hopes not* |
| so it takes 8 episodes for someone to TAKE THE FRAKNG CHAINS OFF... and the yaoi crap is really starting to bug the hell out of me, not to mention the snail's pace, hell I think the Bleach episodes are moving faster than this show. |
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WolfWood37 said: Haha yeaa it's really sad how all the majority people care about when they watch this anime are the damn chains. Really goes to show you how Studio DEEN isn't doing a very good job :(...so it takes 8 episodes for someone to TAKE THE FRAKNG CHAINS OFF... and the yaoi crap is really starting to bug the hell out of me, not to mention the snail's pace, hell I think the Bleach episodes are moving faster than this show. So yea, I can't resist in bringing this up again. But where's the yaoi? XD *dodges the tomatoes* I know there will always be a person who gets the term wrong...but I can't help it ><!! Xephia said: Hahaha don't put too much hope on the theme of shounen-ai sweetie :P There is no indication of any romantic love between any guys. There's more shounen-ai in Kyou Kara Maou than in here XD.Anyway, I just found this anime and I'm I glad I did. Lots of shonen-ai potential ^_^ and I like the main characters, which isn't common with me. Can anyone who reads the manga tell me if there's any more scenes that might appeal to a BL fangirl in the future? A lot of sites list the series as 'romance' but not as 'shonen-ai' so I was wondering if a girl appears in either boy's life in the future? *hopes not* Although it's very easy for a shounen-ai fangirl/fanboy to interpret friendship between guys as something more like Mikage and Teito :P.. But who knows~ the manga isn't finished so anything is possible XD Spoiler for Manga Chapter 37 And don't worry, there aren't any important female characters that show up at this point~ The only important "female" character would be Razette.....but does she even have a specific gender? I'll just assume she's female ^^; |
robbydesuMay 29, 2009 1:33 AM
| Finally, the fucking chains are off. |
| I loved it! And i also liked that üpart when mikage says:I love you teito(i was almost crieng:D) [I guess that that part was in ep /] |
| Finally!!! Teito will show his true strength! Beauty of episode! :) |
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| The pacing was off and the music was unusually bad. The reveal about Mikage was handled poorly and the episode was just sub-par. Interested in the next episode, though. |
| Finally the chains are off xD I hope that Mikage wont die like everyone says T__T |
| Woo i think the show has finally finished wiht this arc and the real interesting bits are coming now. I guess the death of mikage was somewhat sad *cough* but now we get Burupya (woot!). I hope they slug this slow start off =) |
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Pyrrhus said: Spoiler tags please :)Woo i think the show has finally finished wiht this arc and the real interesting bits are coming now. I guess the death of mikage was somewhat sad *cough* but now we get Burupya (woot!). I hope they slug this slow start off =) |
| Good episode even though it was a little slow. Looking forward to the next one^^ |
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| I loved it! ^_^ When Mikage said, "I love you." I was really wishing he were facing the screen. That way this little fangirl could imagine him saying it to her. LOL Anyway, I'm very worried about Mikage's fate. T_T BUT I screamed outloud for joy when Teito's chains finally came off. ^_^ |
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| Haha I sse people are really excited teh chians came off. Same! xd |
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| Very good Episode. |
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| Pros: moe church impersonification, something finally happens (red eyes etc...). Cons: everything else. It's all so artificial, fake, tiring, boring... Furthermore in this ep there was a riddiculous amount of anmations compared to the other: tons of zoom-in/zoom-out still scenes, and way too many crappy CG attacks. 17 to go. Gah. |
| The las ep was soo cool~ Man do i love Aya-tan <3 he`s so evil ^_^ i can`t wait for the next ep <3 |
| so slow paced and still too much bromance wth |
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mystik said: so slow paced and still too much bromance wth well it does have bromance and mangaka is woman so, it more made for girl then guy, which i'm not 100% sure yet. I see so many guy drop ths anme , which I understand why. And i'm sorry for my grammar/ |
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KuroTsuki14 said: I know you mean well, but what you said really bothers me. Just because a manga has a specific genre stuck to it it doesn't necessarily mean only girls can read it, or only guys can read it, etc. etc. Why can't it just ever be the story itself and who likes what sort of storyline? I'm a girl and I like reading shounen stuff. Therefore I don't believe on such a rule that dictates which gender is supposed to read which genre of manga.mystik said: so slow paced and still too much bromance wth well it does have bromance and mangaka is woman so, it more made for girl then guy, which i'm not 100% sure yet. I see so many guy drop ths anme , which understand why. And i'm sorry for my grammar/ And the gender of an author does not have complete control over the content of a manga. I'm sure there are male mangakas out there who create shoujo/josei manga and female mangakas who create shounen manga. Also to mystik, I hope you'll have enough patience to stick around a little more :) It is quite a shame that the pace is slow (imho I don't think they are going to quicken the pace XD) but I hope this "bromance" (I don't agree with this though) won't deter you away from the series :P |
| Just because an anime has boy love, doesn't excuse it from severely failing at forming a competent story filled with interested and developed characters that viewers can empathize with. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these problems would not be solved for many people dropping the show if mikage was some school girl and the people caring for mikage were all attractive nuns. I don't mind that Mikage and Teito are obviously more than just friends (in fact it cracked me up when mikage asked teito if there was any girls he liked at the church), but other serious problems do bother me. I can even deal with the church basically being a male model agency if they give the characters some life. I hate how this anime is all about telling us about things rather than showing them through the use of effective and emotionally charged scenes (mikage is my best friend, white haired guy is my big enemy, everyone treated me like a slave except mikage, isn't it horrible how this girl got possessed by a kor, etct etc). The girl possessed by kor is my favorite example because it was done extremely poorly to introduce a major force in the story and if you're watching Pandora Hearts there is an extremely similar scene that was instead done VERY well. They need to put the show on hold until the writers can watch Blood+ or something that gives them an example of how to make good characters and good enemies. For example, i would have MUCH MUCH MUCH preferred if they spent 3-4 episodes at the school before the incident to ground viewers with teito and show how everyone treated him like crap until he met teito. then they could pass various trials together until finally events get out of hand and mikage is forced to make his mistake. Now the viewers have an idea of how their lives are thrown in to a disarray over what is happening and how/why they miss each other. They've also grown attached to both characters so their fight is something that is trying for them and looks realistic. Doing something like that wouldn't make the show look like it is just about teito moping around in a church for half of the series. |
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Falatorx said: I completely agree with you on this. I mean Studio Deen really did a terrible job at showing the important things. I mean, they tried to emphasize the strong friendship between Teito and Mikage with that episode with Mikage's sister and that other episode about the random kid (epi 6 & 7) and extended this odd atmosphere between the two. I mean they say they are great friends, but those two extra episodes did absolutely nothing but make everything worse. Dragging it out longer without giving a substantial representation of the love (friendship love) between those two is just damaging overall. As much as I love the manga, when I watch this anime it just feels a bit different...my attachment is just not there.Just because an anime has boy love, doesn't excuse it from severely failing at forming a competent story filled with interested and developed characters that viewers can empathize with. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these problems would not be solved for many people dropping the show if mikage was some school girl and the people caring for mikage were all attractive nuns. I don't mind that Mikage and Teito are obviously more than just friends (in fact it cracked me up when mikage asked teito if there was any girls he liked at the church), but other serious problems do bother me. I can even deal with the church basically being a male model agency if they give the characters some life. I hate how this anime is all about telling us about things rather than showing them through the use of effective and emotionally charged scenes (mikage is my best friend, white haired guy is my big enemy, everyone treated me like a slave except mikage, isn't it horrible how this girl got possessed by a kor, etct etc). They need to put the show on hold until the writers can watch Blood+ or something that gives them an example of how to make good characters and good enemies. I might have mentioned this a tad bit in the beginning, but even Teito's character seems a bit different. Maybe it's the seiyuu (I can't get wolfram's character out of my head :P) but Teito just seems bratty and a tad bit self-centered. And that's disappointing to me because I really like Teito in the manga. The only thing I don't agree with is this whole "bromance/shounen ai/boy love" thing that people have been spewing about once in a while. As much as I enjoy shounen-ai, and as much as I want to imagine a shounen-ai thing going on (I probably do once in a while) in this series - but this isn't shounen ai people. Just because the majority of the characters are male and they show a strong friendship between two guys and say "I love you" (what, you don't say "I love you" to your same sex friend?) doesn't mean it has to be a shounen-ai series. I think this is why people aren't enjoying this series so much. When Studio Deen likes to abuse there control into creating this not so great adaptation and when people misunderstand/misinterpret something so important to this series (the friendship between these two guys) ....it really is no wonder why people just complain about the series. I mean, amongst the many posts I read in the the threads about this series, what is the most common comment I see? The stupid damn chains that Teito has. I means seriously?! Really guys, if all you get from this series is the damn annoying chains, and you can't just bare yourself to ignore it. Then...I dunno what else to say. I really apologize for such a long and rude post. :( |
robbydesu said: KuroTsuki14 said: I know you mean well, but what you said really bothers me. Just because a manga has a specific genre stuck to it it doesn't necessarily mean only girls can read it, or only guys can read it, etc. etc. Why can't it just ever be the story itself and who likes what sort of storyline? I'm a girl and I like reading shounen stuff. Therefore I don't believe on such a rule that dictates which gender is supposed to read which genre of manga.mystik said: so slow paced and still too much bromance wth well it does have bromance and mangaka is woman so, it more made for girl then guy, which i'm not 100% sure yet. I see so many guy drop ths anme , which understand why. And i'm sorry for my grammar/ And the gender of an author does not have complete control over the content of a manga. I'm sure there are male mangakas out there who create shoujo/josei manga and female mangakas who create shounen manga. Also to mystik, I hope you'll have enough patience to stick around a little more :) It is quite a shame that the pace is slow (imho I don't think they are going to quicken the pace XD) but I hope this "bromance" (I don't agree with this though) won't deter you away from the series :P I'm ok with anime/manga that doesn't have specific genre. Meaning by no ecchi or yaoi. Like um it safe for an genre to see it. Its kind of hard to expland. When i think of shoujo I think stuff that girls theme( bl,magic,romance, cute stuff) and some with shounen theme (ecchi,girls, yuri, fights, and so on). Its like tell some one what inside the manga, without open it. And I know there some Shounen stuff that girl like and shoujo stuff boy likes. I also like shounen with out to much girl and ecchic scene. |
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| The chains coming off....best part of the episode lol well that and seeing Mikage possessed....poor Mikage. |
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| omg i liked squealed when those bloody chains came off! LOL why couldnt he do it like ages ago?? O.o anyways OMG RED EYES!!! .... what the hell is he?? LOL |
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robbydesu said: I might have mentioned this a tad bit in the beginning, but even Teito's character seems a bit different. Maybe it's the seiyuu (I can't get wolfram's character out of my head :P) but Teito just seems bratty and a tad bit self-centered. And that's disappointing to me because I really like Teito in the manga. I also keep thinking Wolfram when I hear Teito and his green eyes doesn't help. It's funny how anime!Teito acts a bit like him... robbydesu said: The only thing I don't agree with is this whole "bromance/shounen ai/boy love" thing that people have been spewing about once in a while. As much as I enjoy shounen-ai, and as much as I want to imagine a shounen-ai thing going on (I probably do once in a while) in this series - but this isn't shounen ai people. Just because the majority of the characters are male and they show a strong friendship between two guys and say "I love you" (what, you don't say "I love you" to your same sex friend?) doesn't mean it has to be a shounen-ai series. I think this is why people aren't enjoying this series so much. When Studio Deen likes to abuse there control into creating this not so great adaptation and when people misunderstand/misinterpret something so important to this series (the friendship between these two guys) ....it really is no wonder why people just complain about the series. I mean, amongst the many posts I read in the the threads about this series, what is the most common comment I see? The stupid damn chains that Teito has. I means seriously?! Really guys, if all you get from this series is the damn annoying chains, and you can't just bare yourself to ignore it. Then...I dunno what else to say. I really apologize for such a long and rude post. :( Totally agree. As much as I like shounen-ai and whatnot, I'm glad that this show isn't. I like the whole strong friendship and tight bonds that the guys make; we don't get it a lot of it in other shows. I, too, am surprised how how much people complained about the chains and are super glad they're off. A huge hint that a show isn't entertaining the watchers enough (though a plus for the anime is that it showed how they came off, exactly. I didn't get it in the manga). Anyways, the next episode would probably be the best for me. I'm too scared to see how they handle Hakuren. |
Sakarii said: I'm hoping he'll be okay...he's voiced by Fukuyama Jun...so it should be alright..right?*sighs heavily* :(. But I'm really glad to find another shounen-ai fan who appreciates this anime for what it is, and not what it looks like it is :) I really look forward to your posts in future threads :D!!Totally agree. As much as I like shounen-ai and whatnot, I'm glad that this show isn't. I like the whole strong friendship and tight bonds that the guys make; we don't get it a lot of it in other shows. I, too, am surprised how how much people complained about the chains and are super glad they're off. A huge hint that a show isn't entertaining the watchers enough (though a plus for the anime is that it showed how they came off, exactly. I didn't get it in the manga). Anyways, the next episode would probably be the best for me. I'm too scared to see how they handle Hakuren. |
| so that frau guy turned into some weird skeleton thing, and turns out he popular with the spirits; and now tieto has his chains removed finally, but now is now wearing a collar that knocks him unconscious, but that eye thing shows up and now hes possessed, what in the world?! |
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| FINALLY! The @#$%^ chains are off! However, Mikage is still around. (I'm starting to be reminded of Peter Sellers in the beginning of "The Party".) And just what were those flying girl-spirits who wanted to fool around with Frau? |
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| It's about time those chains FINALLY came off. The ending was getting intense. I'm glad the storyline is finally coming along. Hopefully it keeps on moving. |
| that stupid doll of fest's waited until mikage turned to tell the others about their locations... ah teito awakened, he looks evil with those eyes. next ep should be fun. |
| mikage dying.....that was just sad.............want to hate ayanami but really cant...hes too evil and hot...i liked him even before watching the anime.... |
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| Lololol, he took the chains off. Mikage finally admitted it. (I think you know what I mean.) Was this also in the manga? Is it really that shounen-aish? ...And man, Mikage makes a hot villain *___* Enough to make me keep watching this anime at least till the next episode. |
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| Okay, for sure next episode is going to break my heart in a million sad pieces. Not like this one didn't already. Why must they break apart such a strong friendship!? WHY??? Dx Cenedess said: Mikage finally admitted it. (I think you know what I mean.) Was this also in the manga? Is it really that shounen-aish? No, he never said it in the manga and it only has minor hints at shounen-ai (its more like shounen-ai fanservice: nothing too severe but if you read between the lines and if you think "that" way, its definitely there--and of course they still stick to the plot. Its not like all or nothing). But I still fangirled when he said "I love you, Teito" SQUEE xD I know its not that kind of love, but hey, a girl can dream, can't she? lol In other news, Teito's tramp stamp is super special awesome. |
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Selkaine said: Okay, for sure next episode is going to break my heart in a million sad pieces. Not like this one didn't already. Why must they break apart such a strong friendship!? WHY??? Dx Cenedess said: Mikage finally admitted it. (I think you know what I mean.) Was this also in the manga? Is it really that shounen-aish? No, he never said it in the manga and it only has minor hints at shounen-ai (its more like shounen-ai fanservice: nothing too severe but if you read between the lines and if you think "that" way, its definitely there--and of course they still stick to the plot. Its not like all or nothing). But I still fangirled when he said "I love you, Teito" SQUEE xD I know its not that kind of love, but hey, a girl can dream, can't she? lol In other news, Teito's tramp stamp is super special awesome. I really went all "Awwww" when Mikage said that. Nuff said x3 |
| Poor Mikage... He really doesn't want to hurt Teito. I really hate Ayanami for possessing Mikage's body. And Teito will be really sad if Mikage died. |
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| The whole Teito and Mikage friendship keeps sending out yaoi vibes to me, haha... it's creepy |
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| Finally a decent episode, the chains get off and some hopeful plot progression. At least it's been interesting enough to keep me from dropping it, even with the yaoi vibes the animation gives me |
| I feel sorry for Teito n Mikage Ayamami needs to get his ass kicked seriously but i just have a strong feeling that I am feel more like that in the next ep. |
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dbaranyi said: FINALLY! The @#$%^ chains are off! Just as excited. Now, I just want that damn collar off |
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