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Onegai said: sugarplumfairy said: Anyone see the possible connection between the mobile shot of the apple and the apple in the ending song theme? There were red apples in death note to, but in the end the author revealed that they had no meaning .. anyway, pretty confusing episode, i think i'll have to watch it again tomorow when im more awake :P.. would love it if they could describe the eden program more, like a little more about how its working etc. how can it set notes on people? ok, i can understand that it can put notes on bridges and famous stuff like that and i can even buy that it can recognize different stuff like TV's etc. but how can it put notes on people? i mean, someone must have put the information on there and i find it unlikely that people themselves would put personal information for everyone to see with just a camera. and if anyone can uploud anything to the network the program is using, then its worthless. The apple could be a reference to the apple from the Tree of Knowledge that got Eve/Adam exiled from the Garden of Eden in Genesis. Maybe it means Akira's search for knowledge might get him and Saki screwed over at the end, or just like you said the apple could end up meaning nothing at all. |
Brian333 said: To the above two users, Akira didn't kill the NEETs. He gathered them up and dropped them off in Dubai... where he prompted them to fend for themselves and learn to live a forward moving life. Ultimately, judging from Akira's encounter with one of those NEETs near the beginning of the last episode, it seems as though they're better off now. While gratitude wasn't verbally expressed (atleast not from what I remember), you could tell the NEET he ran into was thankful for the push Akira gave him. He was never trying to kill people or reduce the population. You could speculate that he's working towards the exact same goal he was working towards before -- it's just that his means to that end are different (but perhaps not totally so). o wow thanks a lot , i guess it's my error on that part so... i may be thinking too much into this but "does history repeat it self then?" regardless of who or wat actions, it end up on the same conclusion? cuz if so it would be like 2 stories at once , the life of the old Akira and the new one |
| Oh wow. You gys have some pretty intense senses xD I didnt even see the pple o__o Well know I know what Eden is. But I can't believe only 5 more ep left! |
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| Oh, now this is getting exciting... |
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| This episode was so good, interesting, and dynamic that it brought up the last episode in significance. I suppose I wasn't expecting for last week and this week to be so closely tied together, so that was most of my negative reaction to episode 5. I want to point out that "John" is slang for a hooker's customer, so maybe they used "Johnny" to make it lighter and basically call her a maneater. I think the use of "Johnny" is entertaining and clever since the word is used in english (maybe only America?) so much for a variety of different things. Also, while a lot of the stuff with Eden of the East was confusing, by the end of the episode I think I have a clear idea of what was going on thanks to Akira's "not understanding." I think EoE was created as a startup company (like Google, if you will) to employ the younger generation. That's why Akira said that the two of them were trying to do the same thing. With EoE (wonderful plot device by the way) Akira can probably get a quicker grasp of what he has forgotten (I'm guessing that the special thing that Saki added was giving the relation of the object to the user); not to mention that with proper funding now, EoE can hire more youths looking for jobs. It seems that I underestimated much of what was presented in the last episode. Saki's job was meant to set up the theme that the youth are responsible for the future (some people said that last week) and now that that is set, along with the revelation of Akira's dealings with the NEETs, we know that he is trying to make Japan a place where young people (ie. the future) don't feel lost about their place in society and fail to take the reigns. I feel like Akira is the only one so far who is using this method. Kondou probably used his money to fund aid the police in solving crimes, Dr. Hajime wanted to save old people from despair, and Shiratori seems to only rid society of "useless men." On top of that we got new insight into Akira and Saki as characters. Saki seems to be a very disciplined woman who handles responsibility well (making this escapade with Akira all the more interesting) and possesses some very essential skill for EoE. Akira treats Mittchan in much the same way as he treats Saki, so while there is a special bond between the two, I think this does slow down the perception that they are moving quickly towards marriage. I really am loving this show more after this episode. |
| so that woman is a president of a company, and also shes a "johnny taker" who has had almost 20,000 victims... thats just wrong in so many ways |
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| Poor Ohsugi... Imagine this guy in the afterlife: "Hey man, how did you die?" - "My precious was cut off by some psychopath called 'the Johnny Taker'. " Anyway this episode might seem slow and filled with too much introduction of new people and other things, but there are some pretty interesting details concerning the plot, and I'm sure some of them will be crucial later on. I'm quite disappointed though that Akira's goal is to simply help a bunch of young NEETs rebel against old bastards. The generational conflict theme is so stereotyped, but then again this is Japan where society is more hierarchic. At least the other Selecaos seem to have more interesting methods... Save the world, cut off their Johnny today! |
| Shiratori is awesome I hope she doesn't fall pray to the supporter I gave this a 3/5 meant to give it a 4/5 I guess it was kind of a passive aggressive episode more Shiratori please ^.^ |
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| Hahaha. Fuck. I hate Kamiyama. I may have to redo my scores if he puts out ambiguous shit like this as they aren't bad (production murders the other garbage which sits at 5-7 anyhow) but not better. Either way it's not done yet... It's rather confusing at present (well not quite) but ... ??? Who knows. I like that this isn't some show for retards where they spell everything out for you, at least. This all said, not a weak episode. PLOT DEVELOPMENT. |
hznuMay 16, 2009 8:07 PM
| I'm still pretty confused. Wtf are NEETs? I've completely forgotten. Also, have we been shown Mittan before? I don't remember her. And...yeah, what's the deal with this 'club' thing. I seriously don't get half of what's going on. I should have waited until this finished airing and then watched it all in one hit. |
BigSimo said: No Education, Employment, or Training.I'm still pretty confused. Wtf are NEETs? I've completely forgotten. Also, have we been shown Mittan before? I don't remember her. And...yeah, what's the deal with this 'club' thing. I seriously don't get half of what's going on. I should have waited until this finished airing and then watched it all in one hit. we saw mittan/micchon in the car stuck in the traffic jam leaving the airport with the other Eden people a few eps ago. |
DeathNotice said: I'm still curious. How the hell has Shiratori killed 20,000 people? If she killed one person a night, she'd have to be doing it for sixty years. The only explanations I can think of is that the "Johnny Taker" is actually multiple people, or she somehow got a hold of the NEETs Akira had exiled. I think you are the only one to point this out so far. Good job! No really. But anyway maybe she kills 57 ppl a day for 1 year. Yeah that would add up... theres just no way without help. |
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| I highly doubt she has TWENTY THOUSAND DICKS stored away somewhere. Do you guys even pay attention? I don't. And I still got that in some earlier episode there was mention of some number (I think 20k) NEETs being killed off. But, you know, this has to be a coincidence and completely unrelated to the claims made on some internet forum. (The internet is always right, after all!!!) |
| Oh shit, the Johnny Taker? That was intense, she's pretty hot too. Oh my goodness Mittan was so fucking adorable. I wanted to eat her up, and Saki was as cute as ever too. I loved that outfit on her, you could see her waist. It was great. And Akira was perfect, as usual. I'm pretty sure I understand most of what is going on here, at least what the show is trying to let you know. The apple there with Ohsugi or whatever his name is, definately made me think of the ending. Poor kid, I think he still has a big chance of getting his wang cut off and dying. This all leads me back to the damn hallucination Akira had, he called them Johnny's. What the hell lol, but anyway nice episode. Loved it as always. |
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| After this episode, my hunch of an unpleasant ending just went up a notch. |
| yeah, was i the only one who totally couldn't follow what was going on? i had to look on wikipedia for the episode summary just to get a handle on the plot in this episode. it felt like characters - and things (the 'eden of the east' program) were just introduced very quickly, in rapid succession, with very little explanation. what was the thing about the neets at the end, anyway? i didn't really understand. |
| It was fine but there wasn't really much excitement in this episode. Truthfully, I kept pausing it XD Now I'm just even more curious about this Shiratori who's a 'Johnny Taker'. And also the identity of the supporter.. |
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noteDhero said: this made me laugh because it's so true.EoE (wonderful plot device by the way) i enjoyed reading your post. |
windy said: Ah right. Thanks windy.BigSimo said: No Education, Employment, or Training.I'm still pretty confused. Wtf are NEETs? I've completely forgotten. Also, have we been shown Mittan before? I don't remember her. And...yeah, what's the deal with this 'club' thing. I seriously don't get half of what's going on. I should have waited until this finished airing and then watched it all in one hit. we saw mittan/micchon in the car stuck in the traffic jam leaving the airport with the other Eden people a few eps ago. |
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Brian333 said: And even this definition doesn't do enough in terms of its context and relevance to the Japanese culture and society. I suggest reading a little about NEETs. Some people in this thread have said that they're disappointed with how cliche or one-dimensional the new focus of Akira's story is but the problem with NEETs runs very deep through Japan's socioeconomic framework. I've read the article on Wikipedia (yeah I know, there are better sources) and it still seems to me to be a generational conflict, with mostly young people unable to accept the old working culture of Japan (lifetime employment, personal sacrifice, etc...), that might have worked before but not in today's economic context. So they withdraw entirely from society. I still think it's a cliche problem, but this social issue is probably far more important in Japan than in western countries. So Akira trying to change the whole economic culture in Japan is surely something significant for his goal as a Selecao. But that doesn't make it less exciting than, say, cut off people's johnnies. xD That makes me think, maybe Shiratori is only killing off men that work all day, than get drunk at night in bars and restaurants with colleagues instead of returning to their family, like what employees have been doing in the old economic model. So that would make her goal the same as Akira's. Haha just theorycrafting, it's probably not that. :P |
AlexstratzMay 17, 2009 5:42 AM
| Nice episode. About an apple, showing here and there, I think it some kind of game between authors and the wiever - the last one fave fun in finding apples in random scenes. It's like when Akira talks about films - for ex. I find scene, when they enter the supermarket and he said "I feel like in "Dawn of the Dead" " really funny. I still think it's a cliche problem, but this social issue is probably far more important in Japan than in western countries. Hikkikomori (NEET) got pretty popular in manga/anime nowadays. From only what I've seen, I found them in Chaos;Head, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Welcome to NHK. I don't know, maybe it became a really big problem? |
Snowley said: Hmmm I don't think hikkikomori and NEET are exactly same thing...so I don't think we can really use the terms synonymously. I thought that NEET is more referred to people who are unemployed? I guess hikkikomori can be considered as a NEET since I'm assuming that most of them aren't employed, but that doesn't necessarily meant that every NEET is a hikkikomori..Hikkikomori (NEET) got pretty popular in manga/anime nowadays. From only what I've seen, I found them in Chaos;Head, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Welcome to NHK. I don't know, maybe it became a really big problem? I mean, Hirasawa referred to himself and the rest of the group as a NEET, but they aren't a hikkikomori.. About your comment about hikkikomori, rather then it being a bigger problem (I think it's always been around), it's more like people are more aware of the problem |
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robbydesu said: Snowley said: Hmmm I don't think hikkikomori and NEET are exactly same thing...so I don't think we can really use the terms synonymously. I thought that NEET is more referred to people who are unemployed? I guess hikkikomori can be considered as a NEET since I'm assuming that most of them aren't employed, but that doesn't necessarily meant that every NEET is a hikkikomori..Hikkikomori (NEET) got pretty popular in manga/anime nowadays. From only what I've seen, I found them in Chaos;Head, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Welcome to NHK. I don't know, maybe it became a really big problem? I mean, Hirasawa referred to himself and the rest of the group as a NEET, but they aren't a hikkikomori.. About your comment about hikkikomori, rather then it being a bigger problem (I think it's always been around), it's more like people are more aware of the problem its exactly as you say. a Hikikomori is always a NEET, but a NEET is not always a hikikomori. While a NEET may have a social life etc. a hikikomori does not and avoids contact with other people. |
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Evilyn said: LOL I noticed it in the 2nd episode, I think that may be part of the reason why I like Takizawa so much XDI think Takisawa sneaked into L's closet. |
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dbaranyi said: More talk, no action. I'm getting the feeling that we may well not get a full resolution of the mystery of Selecao in this short TV anime series. Agreed. I'm afraid that all of this time spent saving *ahem* "Private Johnny" will hurt this series in the long run. |
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| I'm interested to see what happens when Eden goes live. This could potential make everyone equals and totally destroy privacy lol. I can see how this tool will come in handy for Takizawa when he wants to learn more about the other 11 members with phones. |
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| WOW this episode was sooooooooo boring. I can't believe that was an episode. What a waste considering how fantastic this series had been. Next episode better rock to make up for this. I hope Oosugi survives |
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mcjazzman32 said: Are you serious? O_o how was it boring? We learn so much....for example the meaning behind "Eden of the East". Plus we get to have the other characters interact with Takizawa o__o..WOW this episode was sooooooooo boring. I can't believe that was an episode. What a waste considering how fantastic this series had been. Next episode better rock to make up for this. I hope Oosugi survives |
| 9001/5. Best episode IMO. Explained various things about the plot... i had to watch it twice, though. =B |
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| I don't argee with mcjazzman that it was boring but it is understandable.... he is comparing this episode to the others and it is not as hard hitting in comparison, like I said earlier it was on the passive side but still great ^.^ |
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| great eps... found stuff out that needed to be explained.... but at the same time, getting a bunch of other questions i wish theyd follow up on the kiss from last eps tho!! >_< |
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ClearSinz said: that is possible but we'll just have to find out in the coming episodes.interesting seems like they have met and kinda a bit of ironic Akira (b4 memory swap) gathered neets into his building and killed about 20000 of them i think , and now the current one is planning to help them so wouldnt it be bad if they found out that he killed Neets and could possibly think that Akira would backstab them? o wells looking forward to next episode =D |
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ShanaFlame said: ClearSinz said: that is possible but we'll just have to find out in the coming episodes.interesting seems like they have met and kinda a bit of ironic Akira (b4 memory swap) gathered neets into his building and killed about 20000 of them i think , and now the current one is planning to help them so wouldnt it be bad if they found out that he killed Neets and could possibly think that Akira would backstab them? o wells looking forward to next episode =D as have been mentioned here before, Akira did not kill those NEETs he gathered.. |
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| Does anyone know what the hell a NEET is? |
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Shadow_Strider said: Go read some of other people's posts, some do a good job at discussing about it, especially in previous threads for previous episodesDoes anyone know what the hell a NEET is? |
Evilyn said: Exactly what I thought XDI think Takisawa sneaked into L's closet. Poor Oosugi :/ |
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| 5 more episodes. I hope things straighten out by then. |
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canephalanx said: Oh wow you're right :O, it went by so quickly! I totally forgot it's gonna be short, I hope it ends well too5 more episodes. I hope things straighten out by then. |
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