Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO 2: Gravity of the Battlefront Episode 3 Discussion - Forums

04-28-09, 5:34 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Epic battle is epic.

Rough sypnosis:

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Whole plot of the episode here as I have commented on Kaioshin Sama's blog:

I’ve watched the Chinese sub, and even with that it took me a little while to get the point of this episode – it’s about how this Ground Assault type Guntank (simply referred as Guntank) was a cancelled development after a spy close to Arleen (who was apprently involved with this Guntank’s development) has leaked it to Zeon and escaped. Arleen was supposed to be imprisoned for life, feeling that her life was doomed just like the fate of the Guntank, until one day she was called forth to participate in Odessa with the 3 only Guntank produced before the halt in development. Knowing that the spy will be somewhere in Odessa (i.e. in a Dabude), she wants to end this once and for all.

Recon aircraft has located the position of the Dabude that was causing the trouble for days. The Guntank team took the effort to destroy it. Despite it being destroyed, more artillrey shells pounded on the Feddies. Corematta thought it was a misfire from the Big Trays and Heavy Fork, but Arleen recognised that there’s another Dabude nearby (there’s also speculation that Elran from the original Gundam series was behind the misfire as well). She was confused whether the spy was in the first destroyed Dabude or in the second one, and Corematta ordered her not to attack the second one – which happens to be from an order from a higher command. Arleen gets even more confused, but the Shinigami guided her and told her that he’s there, and she went to face it. When her ruined Guntank ends up right in front of the second Dabude, the spy recognises the Guntank and guessed it right that the pilot was Arleen. He was glad that she didn’t die (executed) and was sorry to have to do this, but Arleen could not forgive him and wants to end this vengence once and for all. Right when she was about to activate the self destruction system, the Shinigami asks her whether she really wants to do it, and she went ahead, destroying both the Guntank and the second Dabude.

It was only until Arleen was dead when the Shinigami told her that the spy is actually a double agent – in order to get into Zeon’s command he had to sacrifice the Guntank’s project in order to gain trust with the Zeeks. Knowing that she’s killed someone she wasn’t supposed to kill, she cried as her vengence was all for nought.

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And wow RTX-440 is quite a crazy MS by OYW's standard. The number of armament it has made it quite close to the Kampfer from 0080, with the standard 220mm gun, Bopp gun, flamethrower, rocket pods, missile launcher, and some deployable explosives that can be released at once's notice. Besides it's really fast as well, making its predeccessor Guntank look like a colourful toy...

Just like the previous episode (and the first episode to some extent too), vengeance is a big theme to this episode or possible to the whole series in general. Arleen's fate is kinda unknown, as there is no mention of her being KIA like the other two.

With the episode ending with the end of Operation Odessa, the war on Earth is pretty much over. I wonder whether they will release another series involving space next.

Took me a while to understand the ending orz, but I will post it out once people have watched the subs of it.

Modified by quentinlau, 06-01-09, 2:36 PM

#2 05-06-09, 9:18 AM
zaj Offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 128	did GG drop this?

#3 05-06-09, 9:22 AM
quentinlau Offline Joined: May 2008 Posts: 108	zaj said: did GG drop this? Well, the status on their database does say "dropped" indeed, but I am not sure why it is the case.

#4 05-08-09, 8:11 PM
Anybody Offline Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 6	quentinlau said: zaj said: did GG drop this? Well, the status on their database does say "dropped" indeed, but I am not sure why it is the case. Ah fuck, i was really looking for his release

#5 05-12-09, 4:42 PM
kaminakun Offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1605	I have learned my lesson with GG ... I'll NEVER get any of their releases again

#6 05-26-09, 10:03 AM
Soulstrider Offline Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1039	Still no subs? :S

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05-26-09, 10:38 AM

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That's odd. Is gg the only group that did English subs for this series? I've watched the Chinese sub so I didn't know about the situation. Maybe for those who wants to watch this episode should go watch the raw ones first, then I can try my best to explain what the whole thing is about later.

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I've asked Kaioshin Sama about gg-subs, and that's his reply:

gg says they are dropping every series at least once during it’s run. It’s one of their trolling gimmicks and definitely the most overused one.

So expect them to come back with MS IGLOO 2 soon or later, like KyoAni does with Haruhi series recently?

Modified by quentinlau, 05-26-09, 4:30 PM

#8 06-01-09, 1:13 PM
Schabrak Offline Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 130	Saw the RAW right now. Pretty much the same "setting" as with the other Eps. Lady Vengence is talking to the heroine, she is losing her companions is getting desperate and tries anything she has on hand to stop the enemy. She actually succeeds and is alive somehow, but get's bombed away by her own men, that are just shooting randomly to the place she was standing.... sad.^^ ^_^ ^_^

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06-01-09, 2:39 PM

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Schabrak said:
She actually succeeds and is alive somehow, but get's bombed away by her own men, that are just shooting randomly to the place she was standing.... sad.^^

I think she did die - it'd be rather crazy for one to survive such massive explosion (and we're not talking about crazy guys like Heero Yui from Wing). The fact that there's an ethereal feel to it when she gets up from the ground kinda hints that she's a goner, and only her spirit remains.

Btw added the whole plot for the episode for all those who wants to know what has actually happened. (based on my view from a Chinese sub)

#10 06-24-09, 12:46 PM
Soulstrider Offline Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1039	Anyone knows where can I get the raws? I have looking everywhere but couldn't find them

#11 06-24-09, 12:47 PM
Red_Comet Offline Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1074	same here, at this point, i think i can settle with individual subbers.

#12 07-08-09, 6:52 AM
Android17 Offline Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 135	Soulstrider said: Anyone knows where can I get the raws? I have looking everywhere but couldn't find them Found the raw here Here But no subs :(

#13 07-08-09, 10:58 PM
Bigred2989 Offline Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 72	Fuck you, gg. Srsly. You'd think someone else would've picked it up, too. The hell's going on?

#14 07-17-09, 9:00 PM
kaminakun Offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1605	can someone post the link to the Chinese sub? I can understand it ^^

#15 08-21-09, 6:48 AM
Forever Offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1753	GG subs are out. The best episode of the 3 IMO with some really cool action. Overall it was a nice little OVA series showing the brutal face of war from a micro perspective.

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08-29-09, 8:16 PM

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The was pretty fucking Awesome. But alot of things didn't make sense. Like why did the guntank's arm cannon's virtually unaffect a Gouf, but totally ripped apart a Rick Dom 2? The dom has armor more then at least twice a thick as a gouf's. Also who did a flame thrower take out a Magella attack tank? I know it's a Magalla but seriously a flame thrower? An M1 Abrams tank is virtually fire proof, and Magella was built at least 150 years after that thing. Also if they had Guntanks like that why the balls did they discontinue those things and go with GMs? Hell those Guntanks could probably give Amuro and his RX-78 a run for his money, hell it might even beat it.

But anyways I'm glad they showed operation Odessa. Odessa was the biggest battle of the One Year War, and they hardly ever show what actually happened during it in any of the series. You can catch glimpses of it in some of the games but not much.

It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die.

#17 08-30-09, 5:41 AM
stAtic91 Offline Joined: May 2009 Posts: 1296	That was one awesome battle. Guntanks ftw!

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08-30-09, 3:32 PM

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Jigero said:
The was pretty fucking Awesome. But alot of things didn't make sense. Like why did the guntank's arm cannon's virtually unaffect a Gouf, but totally ripped apart a Rick Dom 2? The dom has armor more then at least twice a thick as a gouf's. Also who did a flame thrower take out a Magella attack tank? I know it's a Magalla but seriously a flame thrower? An M1 Abrams tank is virtually fire proof, and Magella was built at least 150 years after that thing. Also if they had Guntanks like that why the balls did they discontinue those things and go with GMs? Hell those Guntanks could probably give Amuro and his RX-78 a run for his money, hell it might even beat it.

But anyways I'm glad they showed operation Odessa. Odessa was the biggest battle of the One Year War, and they hardly ever show what actually happened during it in any of the series. You can catch glimpses of it in some of the games but not much.

Guntank were not suited fort space battles, even if they seem very efficient on ground battle since the war will gradually take place in space, developing Guntanks would not be the best choice.

Actually we can see in the original series that one Guntank fights on the White Base.

#19 09-04-09, 6:02 AM
Fabienne Offline Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 924	that was the best action part in this ova show. the 3 Guntanks ruled like hell,but the kamikaze was totally nonsense in my opinion. I also didn't liked extreme emo parts of the characters.

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09-07-09, 1:17 PM

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Moya said:

Jigero said:
The was pretty fucking Awesome. But alot of things didn't make sense. Like why did the guntank's arm cannon's virtually unaffect a Gouf, but totally ripped apart a Rick Dom 2? The dom has armor more then at least twice a thick as a gouf's. Also who did a flame thrower take out a Magella attack tank? I know it's a Magalla but seriously a flame thrower? An M1 Abrams tank is virtually fire proof, and Magella was built at least 150 years after that thing. Also if they had Guntanks like that why the balls did they discontinue those things and go with GMs? Hell those Guntanks could probably give Amuro and his RX-78 a run for his money, hell it might even beat it.

But anyways I'm glad they showed operation Odessa. Odessa was the biggest battle of the One Year War, and they hardly ever show what actually happened during it in any of the series. You can catch glimpses of it in some of the games but not much.

Guntank were not suited fort space battles, even if they seem very efficient on ground battle since the war will gradually take place in space, developing Guntanks would not be the best choice.

Actually we can see in the original series that one Guntank fights on the White Base.

Uh that's nonsense because the Federation made an entire line of Mobile suits that could only be used on the ground. The G series. The Zeons did too. Gundam G, GM G, Zaku G, Dom Trophen. Not to mention the GMs that where along side the guntanks in that OVA where actually GM G's but they where using Heavy shields.

It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die.

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4 out of 5: Liked it	3	27.27%
3 out of 5: It was OK	4	36.36%
2 out of 5: Disliked it	1	9.09%
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