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Jun 10, 2012 1:01 PM

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Amaya-no-Hime said:
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wowww. is there a need for shirt-open-touga to troll everyone at this point?
Yes. Touga will not rest until he strips shirtless for everyone he knows.

Renato said:
Why Ruka wasn't in the Rose Bride dress? I think it would look nice on him
Seriously :)

Hahaha, you guys are hilarious lol
Putting the jokes aside, I also believe this episode was very good. There were some things that I wasn't really expecting. I love this series.
Sep 6, 2012 10:39 PM

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Great episode. I liked how the duel between Utena and Juri was intermixed with Juri and Ruka's duel. Also, Ruka's comment during their duel about how hidden feelings must hurt certainly takes on new meaning in light of that ending.
Dec 14, 2012 5:56 PM
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That was a great episode... I hated Ruka for most of the time he was there, but the ending changed my opinion of him completely. Too sad :(
Jan 28, 2013 2:04 PM

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Everyone says Miki is the only nice guy in the series, but aren't we forgetting Tatsuya, the Onion Prince? Mikage even rejected him because he was too good a person to become one of his duelists.
Feb 8, 2013 2:19 PM

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Not a bad episode, but still insanely repetitive. The character development is nice, but the plot hasn't moved anywhere.
Mar 6, 2013 7:26 PM

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WOW!
This was a fantastic episode.
It was my favorite so far.
The ending was very sad and the symbolism throughout the episode was neat.

I hope Juri is able to move on... She deserves so much better than Shiori.
Though Ruka's intentions ended up being for the good of Juri, I can't help to think he was too forceful.
I understand it was the only way to help Juri since she is so stubborn, but the way he controlled her and pinned her was extreme.

Jun 3, 2013 3:28 PM
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I also noticed with the chair stuff how Jury's chair faces Shiori's, which faces Ruka's, which faces Jury's, forming a literal love triangle. But at the very end, after the shadow girls talk about Ruka's death, the chairs are shown again but Ruka's chair is missing. So it seems like he definitely dies in the anime. But Shiori's chair has finally turned to face Jury's, but Jury's chair is not quite facing Shiori's and seems tilted to where Ruka's used to be. So Shiori finally accepts Jury but Jury has only just come to love Ruka when it is too late!
Noticing the details really made this my favorite episode so far!
Aug 19, 2013 3:52 PM
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Juri/Ruka forever! Though, I know she probably would never return his feelings T_T

I don't know why many people hate him and ship Juri/Shiori. Shiori is more of a bitch that Nanami would ever be, Juri is noble and Ruka risked his life to free the woman that he loved; he deserves her. At least Juri is now over her.

Ruka is not dead. Juri's words at the end make it obvious that the shadow girls had trolled us into thinking that he was. Besides, who would Juri be addressing at the end if it wasn't an alive Ruka?


Nope Sadly Ruka did die. It's implied from the small dialogue between the shadow girls in the clinic hallway. You can still speak to /refer to a dead person you know.
Sep 23, 2013 3:39 PM

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Why didn't they just have a threesome.
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Juri/Ruka forever! Though, I know she probably would never return his feelings T_T

I don't know why many people hate him and ship Juri/Shiori. Shiori is more of a bitch that Nanami would ever be, Juri is noble and Ruka risked his life to free the woman that he loved; he deserves her. At least Juri is now over her.

Ruka is not dead. Juri's words at the end make it obvious that the shadow girls had trolled us into thinking that he was. Besides, who would Juri be addressing at the end if it wasn't an alive Ruka?


Nope Sadly Ruka did die. It's implied from the small dialogue between the shadow girls in the clinic hallway. You can still speak to /refer to a dead person you know.


You're forgetting Juri's statement after she hears the Shadow Girls and how she says "how have you been" and "there's something I want to ask you when we meet again", as though she's writing a letter and the one she's addressing it to can be none other than Ruka, who was no longer at Ohtori.

The topic of Ruka's fate has been discussed a lot on the Ohtori.nu forums, while some believe he's dead some think that was one of the times that the shadow girls trolled us and that Ruka is actually alive.
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Jan 1, 2014 8:44 PM

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I'd like to believe that Ruka died. It's a nice form of closure, at least, something better than just "he never showed up again". And if I let myself think that, this episode gets a lot more creative and amazing, so much so that I give this a 10/5.
Jan 16, 2014 6:57 AM

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Man, Shiori is one of The Most Unlikable Characters I've ever encountered in a series, or anywhere really.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the whole broken locket scene + Jury not acknowledging Shiori following her was some symbolism for basically moving on
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Jan 23, 2014 11:57 PM

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Great episode.

bururu said:
Keeping my fingers crossed that the whole broken locket scene + Jury not acknowledging Shiori following her was some symbolism for basically moving on


Ditto
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Jun 28, 2014 10:00 AM
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Hayatempest said:
Carrottop11 said:


Nope Sadly Ruka did die. It's implied from the small dialogue between the shadow girls in the clinic hallway. You can still speak to /refer to a dead person you know.


You're forgetting Juri's statement after she hears the Shadow Girls and how she says "how have you been" and "there's something I want to ask you when we meet again", as though she's writing a letter and the one she's addressing it to can be none other than Ruka, who was no longer at Ohtori.

The topic of Ruka's fate has been discussed a lot on the Ohtori.nu forums, while some believe he's dead some think that was one of the times that the shadow girls trolled us and that Ruka is actually alive.


I like to think that the "when we meet again" is in death. People often make small talk at graves of some sort like the person that's dead is still alive. I like to think that this refers to that.
Jul 31, 2014 5:30 PM

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'Wish as hard as you can, and they will know your feelings.' (last sentence in the episode) ... Does that mean that Shiori and Juri got together? Or that Juri realised Ruka's feelings for her? My head hurts.
Aug 26, 2014 5:45 AM

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Holy shit the end of the episode
The way we learn about Ruka's death and what he really wanted to do was just brilliant and left me speechless, then I got teary eyes.
Oct 28, 2014 4:17 AM
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Yup. A truly splendid ep. I can confidently say I loved it.
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Mar 20, 2015 8:22 PM

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a wonderful episode, wish Ruka wore the Rose Bride dress though ;)

was really sad how Ruka died (I'm assuming), can't wait to see how Juri's story resolves
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May 23, 2015 2:41 AM

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Not really a fan of Juri but this was a solid episode
Aug 2, 2015 10:38 AM

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Wow it seems that Miki(and Mikage to an extent) wasnt the only boy that wasnt a complete asshole. The ending was tragic and completetly changed my views on Ruka. His actions are questionable but he did it all to free Juri from her delusions and force her to grow up.

Tragic love story and when i think about i feel like crying, still dont like Shiori. Ruka knows hes dying but still sacrifices himself to save the girl he loves(whilst making her despise him in the process),a t least Juri knows the reason Ruka did what he did .

Shes my favorite character so far, great episode.
Sep 29, 2015 8:06 AM

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I started skipping every sequence where Utena goes up the tower.

4/5
Feb 17, 2016 3:52 PM

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I'm still not the biggest fan of Ruka but if he really did manage to make Juri get over Shiori than he'll be alright in my book.
Apr 12, 2016 10:58 AM

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Seems like Juri can never get a happy end.
May 27, 2016 11:33 AM

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That was an amazing episode. I love Ruka so much. He did all this for Juri. In the end of the episode when the 2 shadows speak about the boy (Ruka) i was speechless. Best episode of Utena <3
Jun 29, 2016 9:15 AM

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I loved this episode, Jury is definitely one of my favorite characters of the show!

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Though Ruka's intentions ended up being for the good of Juri, I can't help to think he was too forceful.
I understand it was the only way to help Juri since she is so stubborn, but the way he controlled her and pinned her was extreme.
I strongly agree
Jul 3, 2016 10:50 AM

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I don't think it's a bad thing, but it is interesting to me how pretty much every male character but Miki is a violent lustful brute and inevitably a villain. Ruka show his nasty side in this episode, in what is probably it's most visceral scene, when it's revealed Jury is the one he's really interested in and he essentially forces himself on her before she repels him. The whole sequence is brutal to watch, especially when he takes her locket and she dives over it as if expecting a barrage of punches and kicks from him as retribution for denying him love. It was a pretty savage episode with Jury and one can't help but wonder how she'll fair going forward.

As I expected, while last week focused on the hitherto unseen male part of their love triangle, this week Jury is the one to duel Utena. One thing I liked about the Black Rose and Student Council Saga, I don't see here, is how it was very clear within the plot why each person wanted Anthy and thus to fight Utena. I think with most of the characters in this arc it's been pretty clear why they want her. But I have to admit I was left a little puzzled with Jury. Beyond the basic desire they all have to obtain eternity and seize their own happiness, I'm not sure why she would want Utena.

Still her fight with Utena was one of the best of the series. I don't think the battles themselves are that bad, but they're not exceptional either. What I mainly liked is how genuinely floored I was by the ending. It was set up earlier with the aforementioned Ruka scene, but damned if I saw her locket getting destroyed being how that fight would end. I'm also pretty confident Jury is the first one to not be defeated but destroy her own rose. We understand why she feels defeated, but you can't help but feel the weight in Utena sadly asking "why?"

The ending to the episode was perhaps the most confusing part. We miss our typical timing of the shadow puppet aside, and instead it show up after the fight to deliver some exposition. It seems Ruka has died, and all he wanted to do was make a girl he liked believe in miracles. I can kind of see what they were going for here, but I also have a hard time feeling too much sympathy for Ruka who was just kind of a dick. The final shot of the episode is Shiori chasing after Jury as she leaves the hospital. If this means she's giving Jury a shot, I hope the two don't end up together. Jury should respect herself more.

In closing this was a pretty good conclusion to a mini-arc with the last episode. I think it progressed Jury's personal story a lot more than the last one and concluded Ruka's appearance more satisfactorily. Also Ruka basically saying "Hit it Touga" actually made me laugh kind of hard. I'm curious to see where this show goes next because I'm in the dark. Now it's just a matter of time before Akio's exposed, and Anthy and Utena come together to defeat him.
Dec 30, 2016 3:29 PM

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Wow, I found this episode to be the most powerful yet!

I genuinely loved how I mislead to think Ruka was selfish and only wanted to use Juri as a tool for his own ambitions... but damn, he wanted to FREE her of that emotional baggage all along. Impressed.

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May 27, 2017 1:36 PM

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This was truly the best episode so far. The character development worked perfectly. Before I thought Ruka is a twisted guy but in the end it turned out he wasn't that bad.
He was just helping her for her own good but in a wrong way. At the end it is unclear weather Ruka is alive or dead. I think he's dead. Whatever the case may be i wish Juri to move on. Shiori clearly isn't the girl she deserves.
May 31, 2017 2:40 PM
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So that sacrifice Ruka was talking about was himself. I definitely like him more than Shiori. Sad that he had a tragic ending. ;-;

The car scene with The End of the World was kind of meh this episode.
Jun 4, 2017 7:50 PM

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So long story short, Ruka forced himself to go back to school to help the person he loved, Jury, move on and move past what was tying her down, Shiori. That's why he was okay with her not winning the duel against Utena.

I can't say I agree with his methods, but it does make me much more sympathetic toward him. I'm definitely glad to see Jury finally get closure and move past all that.
Aug 14, 2017 2:13 PM

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Ruka is a real dick, trying to force himself on Juri and playing with both her and Shiori's emotions. I kinda get it was to help her move on from Shiori, but...come on, there are better ways of doing that.

I'd really like to know what on earth Anthy is trying to tell Utena already.

I'm going to agree with others in that I'm going to choose to believe that the shadow girls' story should be taken literally and that Ruka died at the end. Makes it more powerful.
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Aug 16, 2017 5:40 PM
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Can't say I felt sorry for Shiori; from what I know of her she was trying to use public pressure to get Ruka to take her back.

Spoiled, pushy, self-centered and a liar. Sounds like Shiori all right. Honestly no idea what Jury sees in her.

Guess we'll to chalk Jury challenging Ruka to anger as he was already doing exactly what she wanted him to do.

Hopefully she'l have finally moved on after the locket was destroyed.

How often are we going to have the scene of Anthy almost telling Utena?
Sep 10, 2017 9:08 AM

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I don't really get why anyone would be surprised about Ruka having feelings for Jury. From the start, Shiori has been saying that he had only had eyes for Jury. I was also fooled into thinking that Ruka was as sociopathic as Touga and Akio, but you gotta admit this reveal wasn't really all that shocking. I appreciate Ruka much more as a character now; his motivations make a reasonable amount of sense, unlike Touga and Akio, where I don't really have a grasp on what they want, or rather, why each of them wants the power of revolution.

This one is a nice little scummy love triangle. I get that Ruka was trying to help Jury, that's cool and all, but maybe he could have done that without forcing his tongue down her throat... Still, it would be tragic if he were really dead. I can only hope Jury can start climbing out of her rut now. Well, I even wish Shiori good luck. She may be a vindictive, petty person, but maybe there's hope for her, too.

Watching some of the scenes again, the way Ruka behaves makes more sense with this knowledge in mind. For example, when Jury slaps him, right before protecting her locket, his face is more stoic in a sad way, rather than in a cruel way. I don't know if that makes sense, but I like the attention to detail.
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Shiori following Juri... please, leave her alone already! Some other girl would make Juri happier ;(

Touga words start to get my nerves... ugh

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Jan 7, 2018 1:13 PM

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Damn. Amazing episode. Juri's episodes are way too strong...while Touga and Saionji (the episode aroudn Touga with Saionji just being a pawn, at least) are my favorite 'arcs' still, Juri's arc is heartbreaking and well done.

Glad to see Ruka had a purpose too... the shadows girls at the end really hit home that he's not just the same breed of character as Touga, but much different.
Mar 14, 2018 2:14 PM

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Wow, Ruka that sure isn't the way to get closer to the girl you like.

Juri is great and all the developement she's getting isn't enough tbh.

I have to mention the lightning looks fantastic at some points, I love how everything looks when it's about to rain.

Anthy and Utena kissing under a tree <3
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Apr 12, 2018 2:02 PM

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This episode was way too sad. Can't believe my girl Juri has such a bad luck with love, and that ending with Shiori following her..what a curse :(
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Probably the best episode at the moment, heart-breaking
Sep 22, 2018 7:21 PM

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It strikes me that Ruka is a mirror of Jury. Like Jury, his motivation is a reaction to unrequited love and like her, he receives hatred from the person he loves. Unlike her, who we see aloofly angst about her problem endlessly, he attempted an (ill-advised, failed) gambit to benefit the one he loved.

It almost seems like a rebuke to Jury for feeling so sorry for herself. Unrequited love is a pain many experience, after all.
Jan 20, 2019 1:41 PM

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Wow, isn't this the first complete story-arc in this series, which wasn't all about symbolism and supernatural stuff? I loved it SO MUCH!

Did not expect Ruka doing these cruel things to Jury, so she can be freed from her unhealthy obsession, and he does it despite being seriously ill, just before ending up dead in the hospital... Okay after that ending scene I feel just broken T^T
May 30, 2019 4:36 AM

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This as such a beautiful and sad episode ;_;
It's heavily implied that Ruka died, and I don't think that it's reasonable to think otherwise (that he just changed schools). The story is complete with him being dead, and I guess it's better this way, although very sad, too.
Jun 7, 2019 12:21 PM

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Felt many kinds of emotions this episode..
Unrequited love and death from serious illness at the end, just sad..
Thus far I'm very fond of Jury the most.
Well, 10 episodes to go, I have no idea how this might end, can't wait to see.

Jul 14, 2019 3:21 AM

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Good episode. I simply love how the duel scene in this ep was mixed up with a flashback. Also, it becomes more and more obvious to me how etherial all the locations are (car in the school hallway :D).
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Shiori's sudden infatuation with Ruka must be the most forced thing this show has offered so far.

So in the end it was revealed that Ruka's actual final goal was to free Juri from the jail of feelings that was her blind love for Shiori, huh? Noble but his approach to the matter at hand couldn't have been worse. In the end, I can't blame Juri for disliking the dude when all his actions were more than misleading.

And that final sequence... seriously, Shiori is such a damn plague. A guy had to die for Juri to finally move on and now it seems Shiori started looking her way. Give me a break...
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Juri/Ruka forever! Though, I know she probably would never return his feelings T_T

I don't know why many people hate him and ship Juri/Shiori. Shiori is more of a bitch that Nanami would ever be, Juri is noble and Ruka risked his life to free the woman that he loved; he deserves her. At least Juri is now over her.

Ruka is not dead. Juri's words at the end make it obvious that the shadow girls had trolled us into thinking that he was. Besides, who would Juri be addressing at the end if it wasn't an alive Ruka?


Juri is a LESBIAN, and ruka literally boarderline sexually assaulted Her?? Why tf would u ship them. I agree that shiori/juri is no good either as juri deserves better … but that doesn’t mean u should just erase the fact that she doesn’t like men- especially him! Why r u watching such a gay show if ur not even gonna respect their sexualities
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Man, Shiori is one of The Most Unlikable Characters I've ever encountered in a series, or anywhere really.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the whole broken locket scene + Jury not acknowledging Shiori following her was some symbolism for basically moving on


She rly isn’t that bad..? So many characters said bad things in the black rose arch not just her … she was being manipulated. Just like utena’s best friend no?? And yeah she not nice to juri, snd i defo don’t ship them and think she deserves better, but she was really heartbroken and also jealous of juri. Touga, and saonji r so much worse. (And I suspect akio is awful too)
Mar 27, 2022 2:28 PM

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What's with all the guys in this anime being creeps?.. The only one who wasn't is Miki and he's still not that likeable.. I'm not sure if he actually is but I can't say I'd be sad if Ruka was dead. He just felt like a carbon copy of the other freaks

Other than that not a fan of Shiori either, Jury deserves better too
Jul 15, 2022 5:00 PM

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It was (obligatory) Juri turn this time to duel a second time.
I'm so sick of this car scene already, so annoying and repetitive. :/
Oct 15, 2022 5:11 PM
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So, still don't really like Juri. This episode just further cements how demented Shiori is. I don't feel bad for Juri - she chooses to pursue someone as unhinged as Shiori (maybe Shiori would be diagnosed with borderline personality disorder).

I will give the episode this though - the argument between Ruka and Juri was very entertaining.
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only 10 episodes left finally.... the comment section has been keeping me company even if most comments are from over ten years ago, it's fun to see others feeling bored but still pushing through, but also reading the comments from people who are genuinely enjoying this show and making me see it with new light

now for the episode: i wish utena could stop trying to make everyone around her happy with her hero's complex... i love my preciosu tomboy but i wish she could realize how much juri is hurting and help her instead!!! she's such a hopeless lesbian when she's in love, she really needs some friends to take care of her whenever she can't hold herself up :( anyways, i was excited to see juri and ruka duel but then she was forced in that stupid sex car and i started to lose hope.... and they juri lost her hope that was SAD </3  (but the car windwipers working while it rained was funny heheheh)

also wtf does "i'll reveal the end of the world" *does back flip and sit on the hood of the speeding car* meaaan????
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