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1) You honestly don't know anything. First person joining a crew does not mean first mate. It means FIRST CREWMEMBER.

2) Like I said it doesn't matter since he was never actually called first mate. Also you fail for trying to use filler as canon.

3) Doesn't matter if he is in a position of high respect. He was never called the first mate so he will never be the first mate unless Oda states it.

4) There is no first mate on their crew. They are more like a family than a crew.

Thanks for your time. Your ignorance was entertaining.

As was your stupidity...since u don't understand the words LITERALLY or TECHNICALLY (look it up) because I'm aware of that fact like the person to most likely be 1st Mate of BB Pirates is Shiyruu who wasn't the 1st recruited... but the fact remains that even yourself has agreed that a SWORDSMAN in one piece is held in high respect such as a first mate... what other position can a SWORDSMAN and the level of strength Zoro has fill on a Pirate Ship... and i don't disagree that there like family but that has nothing to do with what were talking about because the WB Pirates are like family but they still have a hierarchy and positions that they fill

Here's some more facts that also help prove Zoro is the 1st Mate:

On the Straw Hats, some people believe this position belongs to Zoro as Luffy refered to him as his 'champion' and 'partner' early on in the series. Also, he usually fulfills the duties of one and often takes charge when Luffy isn't around, sometimes even when Luffy is there....

go head and check the link below where i got this info and i challenge u to find me a credible link, website, article, paragraph, sentence or anything that can fully dispute Zoro being 1st mate besides Oda didn't state it...

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/First_mate

also, what fillers are u talking about because everything i stated happened in major story arcs none of the fights or characters i used as example are recorded as fillers/filler fights and i can get proof of that just say the word...

at the end of the day you can't disprove any of my examples your only defense is Oda didn't state it but there's a lot he hasn't said because the series isn't over yet and don't you know the saying "don't state the obvious"...and then u say it doesn't matter he's in a position of high respect, it doesn't matter that nearly every swordsman in one piece has been 2nd in command such as a First Mate on a pirate ship and Zoro is what? A PIRATE WHOS A SWORDSMAN, it doesn't matter he fights the 2nd strongest foes in major battles, it doesn't matter that zoro has the 2nd highest bounty of the crew, it doesn't matter he's been called 1st mate by Urouge because it was mistranslated but whats the difference between the correct translation: not a damn thing because 2nd in command or second is exactly what a first mate is... all u can do is say: "Oda didn't state it"...maybe because he has shown enough for intelligent people that can read between the lines and comprehend the simplest of things to figure it out on there own...SO THANK YOU FOR UR TIME... UR IGNORANCE BROUGHT A LOT OF LAUGHTER TO MY DAY!

first wiki of any type is a user made information source they do not require any prior knowledge of the subject they are not held accountable for false information

first mate is not the first crew member

its not the stongest member

its the person the captain nominated to take over when he is no-longer capable of commanding the ship

usopp got permission from luffy to take over when luffy scewed up

but no crew member has been called the first mate

currently the crew is pretty small so theres no need for the formalitys of crew ranks

even luffy isnt a captain persay he runs his ship more like a democracy then a dictatorship

Honestly the only reason that they even mention something like that on the wikia was to prevent edit wars. You said movie 5 which is not canon therefore a filler. Oda did not state it and only ignorant people call him the first mate when obviously there is no first mate on their crew.

I used one piece movie 5 because sanji tries to fight zoro and zoro shows him how easily he can beat him so anyone that believes sanji is the 1st mate can put that to rest he has his own position and has never carried the weight that the captain has to...good example of this is during the thiller bark arc when zoro had to absorb all the pain and fatigue luffy suffered, he did exactly what a first mate was suppose to do: protect the crew when the captain is unable to.... but it's crazy how everybody can see Usopp being first mate over zoro who has upheld every duty that a first mate would have to do and is shown time and time again fulfilling the duties of a first mate... and like i said before i'm aware the first person to join isn't the first mate, re-read what i said about shiryuu whos also a swordsman and learn what literally and technically means before commenting or you'll continue to make yourself look stupid... its whatever though, u can stay blind to the facts that have been placed before your eyes...ur even starting to say luffy isn't the captain of the straw hat pirates, wow... just because luffy respects his crew doesn't dictate them like other captains doesn't make him any less than the leader because at the end of the day his decisions are final and the WG and entire world and Oda have made it known he is captain, so why even say a stupid comment like luffy isn't the captain, its just the type of pirate he is

there's even a section with info on the types of pirates in one piece

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pirate

for all those who still are unaware once again i challenge anyone to post a credible link stating otherwise that zoro isn't the first mate, because i understand Oda hasn't said he is but, he also hasn't stated he's not but there's a lot of proof i've given, there's a lot of proof shown in episodes and manga to support my theory... how bout your theories i'm still waiting for something, anything with some strong evidence to disprove what i'm saying... and about the wiki site i got my info from go head and find something on those pages that are false and completely untrue if u can... and i can vouch for everything on that site because i have seen every episode and read every chapter of one piece manga and so far everything on the site i use as my sources are 100% correct the ppl that post the info on that site follow one piece very well and do a great job with keeping the site honest to true intelligent fans such as myself...but if u can prove me wrong or anything on that site, be my guess and do it.

thats gotta be the bumbest way to discuss things

im not gonna prove my point but unless u can find the exact words from the creator saying im wrong i wont accept anything

thats basically what you just said


luffy and his crew have never ever said that zoro was first mate

zoro and sanji always fight non stop ppl that say either are first mate are daft

first mate couldnt possibly be some one who is always fighting with the other crew members

zoros only goal is to be #1 swordsmen

zoro doesnt care about bing a pirate and has said if luffy wasnt his captain he would not be a pirate

so how can zoro be first mate if he refuses to continue to be a pirate after the captains death??

i think that enough to disprove u you have no facts to support your conclusion and facts have been presented to counter

sanji on the other hand did the same as zoro in thriller bark but when he stated his value he made it as a pirate

they are equals in the straw hat crew

the only person ever ever ever given any right to take over after luffy was usopp that is the only person given the right to take over if luffy fails no one else was ever given that right which is an important part of bing 1st mate

even at his execution he didnt name a first mate

his crew is small and has no real ranks

they are all equally ranked under the captain depending on the needs at the time some1 will take more responsibility temperately

if we can all agree on that as a fact (all same power of decision)

then the only person who qualifys as first mate is usopp because of the condition he made with luffy while joining the crew

no matter who has talked about zoro its never been first mate with the miss translation aside

wiki is not the end all of knowledge nor does it state its content is factual it is a compilation of user input

Yeh, that's why Zoro risked his life at TB against Kuma. He was willing to give up on his dreams so that Luffy and the SH could survive...he would not have done so if his only goal was #1 swordsman, why would he risk is only dream otherwise?

part of bing a swordsman is the honor to be #1 u must not only be the most skilled but the most honorable wouldnt you agree?

he doesnt care about bing a pirate as he says over and over but he does care about bing #1 swordsman and to be that he has to fight the current #1 who just happens to be in grandlane the best chance to meet him is to be a pirate

in addition hes sworn loyalty to luffy and as a swordsman that isnt taken lightly

theres no way he would be a pirate after luffy dies or under any other

its documented that even luffy would give up his dream of being pirate king to save his friends, zoro was ready to and sanji as well so just because zoro has a goal of being the greatest swordsman he wouldn't abandon them for it... none of the SH have ever shown that degree of selfishness, they have their dreams but none of them are more important than each other... i doubt u disagree with that... and about the question u asked: how can zoro be first mate if he refuses to continue to be a pirate after the captains death? my answer to that would be to take Rayleigh into account... he no longer is a pirate but was Gol D. Rogers first mate, the fact that Roger died and the crew disbanded never changed that title because he was and forever will be the only one known as the Pirate Kings Right Hand such as zoro is luffy's in my opinion

^^^ Good point on the Rayleigh thing...even if none of the SH (Luffy included), Zoro is still thought of as the first mate by everyone else.

Is it really that important what rank/position Zoro is in the Straw Hat Crew? :|

gol d. roger disbanded the crew he didnt die while bing thier captain

About the creator comment your whole defense against what i'm saying is the creator never said zoro was the first mate so my response to that is the creator never said he wasn't the first mate, then i give example after example that would strongly imply that zoro is the first mate... if u can give me proof that zoro isn't the first mate besides saying Oda didn't say it and saying I'm dumb for thinking so then I will accept what u have to say but as of now i can't because your not saying anything that proves my conclusion false... u just sound mad and bitter that I won't agree with your statements that have nothing where i can go see it for myself like i have done for you, so u can see why I'm saying zoro is the first mate, I'm just asking for something solid that will suggest otherwise...

the zoro and sanji fights are never serious, zoro has a trademark when he fights seriously and thats when he puts on his bandanna which he has done when he has fought luffy but never sanji, their fights are like brotherly squabbles, if zoro was serious and killed sanji he would be as bad as BB who intentionally killed a crew mate, zoro wouldn't do that to sanji they have a rivalry like siblings but respect one another but will never admit to it out of stubbornness and pride... and u say a first mate can't be someone who is always fighting with the crew but time and time again we see pirate captains kill their own crew like Don Krieg, so that statement is far from the truth, its common knowledge in real life history that first mates stage mutinies against there captains so what are you talking about... pirates are not saints or share the same level of respect luffy shows his crew... also how can u honestly say i've never stated any facts when everything i use to support my conclusion comes from the anime and manga itself... i wouldn't post info that's false because I'm proving my point, basically ur saying Oda is a liar or your just not comprehending the information he has given you... when usopp made the statement if luffy messes up than he will be captain and luffy saying ok is called SARCASM... Usopp as captain will never happen... when usopp left the crew and wanted to come back as they were leaving him behind he was screaming: Guys I'm coming back as the Vice-Captain but did luffy extend his hand to bring him back? NO, Usopp had to get on his knees, cry and beg luffy for forgiveness before he was let back on the ship, is that how u see the captain of the straw hat pirates? by calling usopp the first mate your basically saying he can match luffy strength wise but he doesn't even have super strength, so how can he protect the crew when they look to him for help if he's suppose to be captain, how can he be captain of a crew that nearly everyone in it is stronger than he is, how can he be captain when he usually has to be saved by someone else in the crew, how can he be captain when he is constantly afraid (i give him credit for overcoming it tho when the time comes)... then luffy has fought and beaten Usopp with one hit, can u honestly believe usopp can handle the same opponents luffy has... and usopp has already turned his back on the crew once what kind of captain turns his back on his crew? a bad one... give me some examples where Usopp has shown traits that he would make a good first mate or future captain... also go back and read or watch episodes of the enies lobby arc, because zoro is constantly mistaken by galley la men and the franky family to be the captain because of his immense strength... it also happened at whiskey peak with the 100 bounty hunters he defeated... name a situation where someone mistakes Usopp to be captain or as a first mate

and when on thriller bark why was it not Usopp to protect the crew from Kuma? why didn't he step up to fight? why wasn't he conscious after Kumas attack to absorb all the pain and fatigue luffy suffered? why wasn't he the one to offer his life in exchange for luffy's?... reason why is because he is the Sniper/Gunner of the crew and that wasn't his responsibility, it was zoro's, the first mate, luffys partner, his champion... the one person luffy depends on and holds to a higher standard than the rest...remember back to the skypeia arc when luffy escaped the snakes stomach and saw his friends defeated... he went up to zoro and said: how could this happen? how could this happen with you here? he says this because luffy knows zoro is as strong as himself and expects him to defeat anyone thats a threat to the crew...the time luffy gave Usopp an order to protect a fellow crew mate from death was on Saboady Archipelago when zoro was about to be killed and he failed miserably another time was when he had to get one of the keys to robins sea stone cuffs from a CP9 agent and once again failed miserably and during the time of those battles he was protected by zoro being handcuffed to his arm at the time, once he was seperated he nearly was killed having to be saved by sanji... Usopp captain of the straw hat pirates, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

It's not. Honestly whether or not Oda had it officially stated in the manga doesn't matter either. If you think he's first mate or consider him then good for you. Don't see how arguing with the same guy over and over again when he'll say you're either ignorant or retarded defeats the point. It's also a waste of time.

His opinion stands that's really how it is. It's like giving a mouse to a snake. He's just gonna feed on it.

im not making an arguement that usopp deserves to be captain or that hes strongest im make the point that he is the only person ever mentioned as having the ability to take over after luffy even if its sarcasm its the only time any 1 is mentioned as having anything to do with 2nd ranked crew member by the straw hat crew

im not saying that zoro isnt strong but he is not the strongest crew member

sanji hasnt really fought seriously yet either and in most of his fights he doesnt even use 1/3 of his power

never ever has zoro been ranked by a crew member he has always been called the swordsman even when fighting silver fox they just called him the swordsman not the first mate

most of sanjis fights he even keeps his hands in his pockets which would reduce his ability to move he rarely does his special move

when luffy asked zoro what happened it wasnt cus he was the best crew member but he was the only crew member present that he believed in as fighting ability goes

only robin, nami, and zoro were with in sight sanji and usopp were down below and chopper was around the corner

where does oda imply that zoro is first mate? why havent you provided any evidance of that all you have said is hes the strongest (debatable) and that he can lead

but who is it who always does plans behind the seance and saves the day?
sanji is the only crew member to do side plans and back up plans that always aid some how (enel's ship gears, c9 fight gets on train, little garden unluckies,closing gates of justice)

who always does the commanding while sailing?
nami always tells every1 what to do while on the ship

so as far as leading ability goes zoro does not compare to nami at all

as for having his own schemes sanji far out thinks zoro

as far as responsibility goes zoro has the least

all zoro ever does is work out and train

sanji is all over the place getting needed supplies

when they go out for supplies who do they always turn to ?

nami is in-charge of all the money if that isnt a heavy responsibility i dont know what is

honestly the person with the most responsibility and sway in decisions is nami

zoro is a swordsman he believes in upholding honor thats why some of his comments seem like commands (chopper in silver fox fight)

when usopp was coming back the only thing they wanted to hear was an apology nothing else mattered dont act like they were saying no to everything he said they obviously werent saying no when he asked to stay friends and o have good times again

zoro has been in luffys crew longer and has had a bounty longer then sanji thats why his is higher no way they would give a first offender a higher bounty then a repeat offender of the same crew in fact sanji's first ever bounty is double what zoro's first bounty

zoro does not alway fight #2 ranked person

sanji took on the first mate and second mate of the Don Krieg's Pirates and the flying fish riders boss, also he took out the top of all but 2 of c1-8

zoro didnt fight the 2nd ranked c9 luffy did get your facts str8

about ur argument that zoro was gonna take luffys place so he was trying to save the capt so hes the 1st mate

what about sanji jumping in the water when luffy has the cement on his feet? and he also offered his head to replace luffys but zoro attacked him

i cant think of a fight sanji has lost that wasnt against a women
zoro has lost

facts have references not just "it was implied like duh" you want to say you know the truth the reread the manga find a spot where it strongly implies (from a crew member!) and post it

Nobody ever thinks of him as the first mate.

All the supernovas think he is cause he has the 2nd highest bounty in the crew. All the supernovas were captains or 1st mates....its only natural to assume regardless of SH politics.

wrong

killer is not stated as first mate either

Except none of them ever called him a first mate.

The strongest crew member is Luffy hands down but being that Luffy is rubber and his weakness being piercing attacks zoro is the only straw hat that can do some serious damage

Sanji is a strong fighter very powerful but not as strong as Luffy and Zoro... Sanji fights without his hands because that is the style of Red Leg...because he is a cook he believes that a cook shouldn't damage his hands in a fight therefore he really doesn't use them unless setting up for an attack with his feet that would require it and the only time he really fought with hands was against CP7 Agent Wanze and that is recorded as a loop hole because they were in a kitchen and his opponent used food to fight... also there really isn't a way to say he only uses 1/3 of his power... i guess that's just what u think which is cool but when he uses his devil leg I'm pretty sure it's more than 1/3 his strength and he's pretty serious by then

I don't disagree that the crew has ever called zoro the first mate but they certainly never called usopp first mate...usopp is always just joking about being captain and first mate and the crew knows that is how usopp tries to make himself seem stronger than he truly is... I hope ur not still waiting to see Usopps 8000 followers lol... his lies of being captain and 1st mate are just a confidence booster for himself which is one of the reasons he developed a split personality who is pretty bad ass in my opinion, can't wait for sniper king's character to be developed more and i will admit his theme song alone is captain worthy lol but I'm not saying he will ever be but it would be funny tho... but I repeat he is not the 1st mate I'm just joking about the theme song

Also, I don't disagree that Oda never said zoro was first mate...I just responded he never said he wasn't and a lot of the things zoro does is worthy of first mate status and that Swordsman in one piece are ranked in the highest positions after the captain respectfully so the only other rank that could entail would be first mate

Zoro isn't the strongest, Luffy is but Zoro is close in strength... the whole Luffy and Zoro thing is like Goku and Vegeta, Vegeta constantly trains but Goku seems to get stronger just because he's the main character like luffy is in one piece... and zoro is the only straw hat that can take luffy one on one... I doubt sanji can really because u know how he will attack, actually if luffy was to tangle up sanji's legs than how could sanji even attack luffy lol...and sanji's physical attacks wouldn't hurt luffy because he's rubber unless he imbued his attacks with Haki which he can't do yet ... Zoro on the other hand can attack long range and is extremely deadly in close combat with those swords... and if u want to say if luffy takes zoro's swords away than zoro can't attack but that's not completely true because he also knows 0 sword style u can check it out on the website and in the episodes during the groggy ring fights

Sanji is the guy to use his head besides nami and both these characters are ranked as the third and fourth smartest from east blue in one piece... #1 is Ben Beckman (first mate of Red Hair Pirates) and #2 is Captain Kuro of the Black Cat Pirates... how many people do u think are smarter than luffy in general but have lost to him in the end... but luffy is intelligent in his own right especially when it comes to fighting, he's a genius in that area... his fighting style is improvised to adapt to his opponents like when he fought Crocodile, Enel and Magellan...but yes sanji is one of the smartest and cunning of the crew but that doesn't make him stronger than zoro or luffy who are intelligent fighters as well

Zoro does have responsibility, ship wise: it's raising and lowering anchor, being on guard duty from time to time and lookout duty... this is stated a lot on the website I've posted before and shown a lot in the anime and manga

zoro doesn't give orders his comments are influenced by the way of the samurai (bushido)... nobody but nami really gives orders but this is for comic relief, thats why she is always yelling but in the end she knows luffy's decisions are final... like when he wanted to explore little garden and thriller bark and nami didn't really want to, u see they didn't leave right... decisions on where to go is in luffy's hands but as i've said before luffy respects his crews opinion but they usually go along with whatever luffy feels strong about

About usopp apologizing, they were ignoring him until they got what zoro stated they should get from him which was an apology cause they never acknowledge him when he stated "I'll be vice captain"... I was just saying what he did won't be forgotten... zoro made this point to luffy when he and nami wanted to go and get him to come back to the crew but zoro stopped luffy stating that they couldn't trust someone that would disrespect and challenge the captain on a whim when usopp knew the fate of the ship himself but refused to accept it and turned his back on his friends... and doing something that makes him unworthy of the title of captain or first mate on that ship

About Sanji being all over the place getting needed supplies is because he's the cook... how can he cook with no supplies... I'm aware he can whip up a gourmet meal out of scarce resources but gathering supplies falls under his job detail as the cook... all cooks have to prep their kitchen before cooking a meal right?

About nami and money of course she handles all the money... they would be broke otherwise... remember when they got the treasure from sky island all the crew wanted to buy unnecessary things but she wanted to put it to good use and fix the going merry... also her character loves money, who better suited for the job, certainly not luffy

Regarding zoro being in the crew longer... this is true and the reason his bounty is higher but not completely... zoro's first bounty was 60 million for defeating 100 bounty hunters at whiskey peak and Daz Bones aka Mr.1... Sanji's first bounty was and is 77 million only the 4th highest bounty of the crew (robin being third but in no way am i saying robin is stronger because she's far from it) so sanji's first bounty wasn't twice zoro's first bounty maybe u were mistaken by luffy's 1st bounty of 30 million

It's true that sanji fought the 1st and 2nd mate of the Don Krieg Pirates but zoro couldn't fight because he was recently defeated by Hawk Eyes Mihawk one of the seven warlords of the sea and luffy told him to go after nami who was leaving with their ship so he wasn't present to fight... also sanji lost to the 1st mate Gin, it was only the fact that sanji fed Gin when he was on the verge of dying that kept Gin from delivering the final blow... watch that fight again but of course sanji wasn't gonna die because that would defeat the purpose of luffy wanting him on the crew and the storyline itself... Sanji fought duval because of the grudge over the bounty poster... I'm talking about the epic major battles that last more than 2 or 3 episodes, that fight was apart of the plot so they would gain there help for when caimie is kidnapped...

And Zoro did fight the 2nd Strongest CP9 Agent... It was Kaku...the facts that u said I don't have straight is on the link below and also check out the episode when the CP9 come together in spandam office and check one anothers power levels Jyabura was fusing at Kaku because Kaku became stronger than him... Zoro fights Kaku the one that transforms into a Giraffe and zoro was fighting the 2nd and 3rd strongest CP9 Agents at the same time with usopp stuck to his arm and fighting handicapped is a recurring theme with zoro, that also is documented

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Douriki

and it should be Episode 267 watch it at the link below if u want to see it for yourself

http://www.watch-onepiece.com

And I never said Zoro will take Luffy's place as captain so thats the reason zoro saved him from kuma... u completely misunderstood everything about that comment... He saved luffy because it was his responsibility to protect the crew when luffy could not, being he is the first mate, its his duty and luffy is apart of the crew and he is loyal to luffy so why wouldn't he... I'm not saying zoro is the first mate because he is the only one capable to replace luffy, no one can replace luffy... if luffy died the crew would most likely disband thats why i told u to compare it to the Roger Pirates... Gol D. Roger disbanded his crew because his illness was gonna kill him but Rayleigh never said fuck that I'm captain now lol... Rayleigh was Gol D. Rogers partner as Zoro is Luffy's... thats why zoro picked up where luffy left off when Kuma appeared, thats why he knocked out sanji, because it wasn't his place to make such a sacrifice... I'm about to refer to non-canon but an example of this type of situation happened with the phoenix pirates when Vigaro the first mate sacrificed himself to save the crew when they entered the new world and came under attack but I'm just using that as an example of a similar situation so don't blow up like u fail for mentioning non canon like last time, its just another example of a similar situation

about the fights sanji has lost those are: Gin and Kalifia and the only fight zoro has lost so far is against Hawk Eyes Mihawk a warlord... oh yeah u can say both zoro and sanji lost to Enel but sanji got the worst out of all the straw hats

About my facts, they all have references... look up what a reference is cause I don't think u understand the word but I don't mean that in an offensive way... All the examples I give come from the show itself, u just seem to ignore them for some reason... my guess: DENIAL