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Well, you still haven't provided any proof of the "mis-translation," so as of now, Zoro has been called the First Mate by Oda through the Supernova.

And really? Leadership has nothing to do with it? Do you even understand what these ranks even mean!? Leadership has *everything* to do with it. Yes, every SH member has given out orders, but you have to think about in what context it was it. Every time when its a serious matter to be dealt with, that's when Luffy's orders (through his actions most of the time) are always followed, and Zoro when Luffy is not around.

You concentrate too much on what's being *explicitly* said. There's a lot being inferred and implied based on the actions of a lot of people.

Obviously Chopper is the first mate.

He never was. Luffy doesn't pick anyone to be his right hand or left hand or whatever.

No one's truly a leader.

If I had it my way, its this:

Nami
Robin
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Brook
Chopper
Ussop

That's how I see it. Other than that, no one's a leader or anything. They're a team.

I think Oda's not mentioning about the ranks among SH is because of the character of Luffy and the crew. there is one thing and it is the term nakama in the eyes of Luffy and the others so rank does not mean anything for them but having the 2nd highest bounty, the other supernova may have called him the first mate...

if it is who is stronger Zoro or Sanji, then I will say Zoro and I could say after seeing Rayleigh's haki, Zoro is the one other than Luffy who is standing more cooler while the collar is about to be taken out and I don't think Sanji could handle Luffy's pain during Kuma's first appearance...

It doesn't matter if there was a context. They all have followed orders from each other which proves there is no first mate.

So in other words you're being a stubborn dick, and not even accepting anyone's opinion? Well that's just great. Why did you make a thread if arguing with you was pointless? First mate or not (my opinion) the second strongest of any pirate crew is first mate. Also someone who has the strongest hold with the captain and takes care of business if the captain is absent. The supernova's even called him a first mate at one point. I don't see how you could argue he isn't. Even if it was true so what. You just keep recycling the same garbage but you've yet to prove a point.

>_> Sorry for my rant but I hate it when there are stubborn members who ignore logical answers and opinions of those suggested. @Vindemon: I would've thrown in some points there from your post but yours pretty much sums it up. I don't want to be a copycat.

The page in question:

What he says is: 2番手にして　「１億2千万」 which means along the lines of "Only in second with 120,000,000"

First mate would be: 一等航海士 or as vice captain: 副船長

Who says the second strongest is the first mate? There is no first mate because it has never been said in the series.

It isn't that it hasn't been said, its just that it doesn't need to be said. unlike other pirate crews, the strawhats do not conform to normal pirate etiquette. first off, they are a crew of only a few people therefore they tend to be much closer. whereas in most pirate crews, you got the captain his lieutenants and the underlings. in such a setting, it is kind of a given that you have a chain of command type of structure.

Luffy has expressed many times that all of his crew members are important no matter what. because of this, it may be the reason why there really hasn't been a need to state or even have a chain or command. everyone knows their roles and who to listen to when the situation requires it.

indeed, she is the one that takes care of:
~ navigating
~ making sure Luffy doesn't make a fool out of himself (and the rest of the crew)
~ ordering everyone around....
~ money management
.......Zoro just fights occasionally and sleeps

It has to be said for it to be true. By your logic that means Bellamy is dead.

So basically what all of you are saying is there is no first mate and never will be?

Well Straw hat pirates are little bit differet from the other crews..they are Family Y'know..who cares he is or he's not.. (and if you think of it he fits that first mate role)

there no first mate yet

they have a navagtor (nami)
a fighter (zoro)
a sharp shotter with ambitions of captain (usopp)
a doctor (chopper!)
a musician (brooks)
a shipwright (Franky)
a archaeologist (robin)
a cook (sanji)


first mate has never been assigned to anyone


though at times when the captain is away depending on the situation different people have taken up the spot

when it comes to fighting zoro and sanji will take the lead zoro seams to have the best advise for the others so is more of the leader type in these situations because of his cool head in fights

when traveling its obvious that zoro can have no say in the matter nami takes the leads in most of these times

but i think the closest person on the crew to ever bing called 1st mate would be usopp

when usopp joined luffy agreed that if he ever slacked off or anything that usopp could take ever

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/42/07/

1st mate is the person who is to take over if ever the captain were to fail or die so based off this page luffy has all but declared usopp first mate

The fact that there is seemingly no first mate yet doesn't mean a new member will take that spot. Besides it would be pretty strange to concede the first mate post to a new character. I agree with the Zoro theory. Though it hasn't been explicitly said it has been implied throughout the manga as people have already explained in early posts.

This. XD

Seriously...In the case of the straw hat pirates,it seems no member is more important than the other,so I doubt Luffy will ever assign a first mate himself...

But it's a different story for some fans XD (IMO Zoro seems more than suitable for the role :))

usopp is !!!!!!!!!

the others have no respect for him as a leader and he has never really lead them

but luffy said sure when usopp asked to be next in line for captain

Zoro is the first mate... he was the first person/mate to join the crew thats just if u want to be technical with the term... if u google one piece wiki and type first mate into the search engine u will find info stating the 1st mate is the 2nd strongest... zoro is the 2nd strongest, he is always the one fighting the 2nd strongest foes (mr.1, kaku, ohm, oz- who he fought one on one a couple times)

also check out this link with STRONG PROOF:

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Swordsman

and a lot of ppl on this forum say zoro is just the swordsman... ok then, well finally u got to see for yourselves what the swordsman is referred to as in one piece...AS THE FIRST MATE!

also on saboady archipelago Urouge states: only the first mate and he has a bounty of 120 million which is also what? the 2nd highest bounty in the straw hat crew and i know everybody is like its a mistranslation but guess what it translates to: The Second, and who is second in a pirate crew: a first mate... and zoro is the only supernova in the strawhat crew besides luffy and the same goes for killer in the kid pirates who is a swordsman as well and guess what: has the 2nd highest bounty and is also seen as the 1st mate, come on ppl stop fooling yourselves...

when Kuma was about to take luffy who was there to protect him: zoro, as the 1st mate its his obligation to do so and when sanji tried to offer his life what did zoro do: knocked him out cause it wasn't his duty, it was zoro's as the 1st mate to protect the crew and offer his life and before sanji was knocked out what did he say to zoro: tell the crew they will have to find a new cook... not a first mate... also whats the better dream/goal: be worlds greatest swordsman or find an ocean with a lot of different kinds of fish lol... the evidence is there, i think a lot of u just refuse to see it...END OF DISCUSSION!

make sure u check this link, it has ur answers:

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Swordsman

1) First mate never means first person to join a crew.

2) It was a mistranslation so it does not mean first mate. It doesn't matter if it translated as second because he was not actually called the first mate.

3) Your entire post is full of ignorance. It doesn't say that swordsman are referred to as first mate. It says "swordsmen are often found in positions of high respect, such as a first mate".

4) You entire paragraph makes no sense here.

I can see you never looked at the actual Zoro discussion page where he is repeatedly stated not to be the first mate.

1) I said zoro can be called the 1st mate because technically he was the 1st mate to join in a LITERAL sense, meaning he was LITERALLY luffys 1st mate

2) in the order of rank #1 is the captain... #2 is the 1st mate... answer who is the 1st and 2nd strongest of the straw hat pirates? and don't say sanji... if zoro cut his legs off then what can sanji do... watch one piece movie 5 if u want to see zoro tell sanji his major weakness in fighting a swordsman with his feet when he tries to take on zoro... also which straw hat damaged Kumas body: Zoro or Sanji?

3) my entire post is full of facts... make a list of enemies the straw hats have fought, i'll do it for u: barouqe works-sky island priest- cp9...now who is the 2nd in BW: Mr.1 (1 comes after 0, lower the # stronger the agent), the 2nd under Enel:Priest Ohm(who had a 0% survival trial), CP9: kaku (check his douriki as proof)

and who has been the one to fight all the 2nd strongest enemies who all happen to be SWORDSMAN also... and seem to hold the highest rank next to the leader: Zoro... who is the only straw hat pirate with attacks that effect luffy the most: zoro and his cutting attacks... during any of the fights who are the last two straw hats too finish their fights: luffy and zoro (e.g. Captain and First Mate) look at the Kid Pirates as well who is Captain Kids 1st mate: Massacre Man Killer, a what? A SWORDSMAN: a person who is OFTEN meaning THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME... FOUND IN POSITIONS OF HIGH RESPECT SUCH AS FIRST MATE... MAKE A LIST OF POSITIONS FOR PIRATE CREWS AND WHICH POSITION WOULD ZORO BE PUT INTO? REMEMBER IT HAS TO BE A POSITION OF HIGH RESPECT AND IN THAT DEFINITION I CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE HELMSMAN OR CABIN BOY...

4) it doesn't have to be stated zoro is the 1st mate, its implied, its obvious, oda is trying to give his viewers credit that he wouldn't have to spell it out for anybody... just use a little common sense... everybody is always critical about new characters joining the crew but there's only one position left: helmsman which means if zoro isn't the 1st mate then that would make 2 positions open meaning there would be more than 10 crew members luffy wanted and a position being available or not for someone to join doesn't matter anymore but we all know it does... BROOK IS A SWORDSMAN BUT IS HE THE 1ST MATE? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

and about this previous discussion page who said he wasn't 1st mate... I know who didn't ODA THE CREATOR OF ONE PIECE!!!!! THE WRITERS, THE STORY DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE PUT ZORO IN SITUATIONS WHERE THE FIRST MATE MUST UPHOLD HIS DUTIES OF PROTECTING THE CREW WHEN THE CAPTAIN CAN'T LIKE ON THRILLER BARK WITH KUMA... ADVISING HIS CAPTAIN ABOUT HIS SUBORDINATES LIKE THE FIGHT B/W LUFFY AND USOPP WHEN LUFFY WANTED TO BRING HIM BACK LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED...ZORO IS THE FIRST MATE OF THE STRAW HAT PIRATES...IF U STILL THINK NOT THEN TELL ME WHO IS BECAUSE EVERY OTHER PIRATE CREW HAS A FIRST MATE WHO ARE THE CAPTAINS PARTNER LIKE PIRATE KING GOL D. ROGER AND DARK KING SILVERS RAYLEIGH WHO BY THE WAY WE SEE FIGHTING USING A SWORD...OH MY GOD ANOTHER SWORDSMAN WHO HELD THE POSITION OF FIRST MATE IN ONE PIECE...SHOCKING!!! AND IF ANYONE HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE MANGA THEY KNOW WHO JUST JOINED THE BLACKBEARD PIRATES: SHIRYUU LEVEL 6 INMATE OF IMPEL DOWN, WHO USES A SWORD TO FIGHT, I WONDER WHAT POSITION HE'LL FILL ON THE CREW...WHY AM I LEANING TOWARDS FIRST MATE FOR SOME REASON.