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Apr 21, 2009 9:51 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I am pissed that they didn't do Hawk's plea to shake hands in his Engrish. I always thought Ueda Yuuji would make a great Hawk, but I guess Akio Ohtsuka is ok

 
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Apr 21, 2009 1:12 PM

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Sound direction in this ep was great, as was the fight overall. The sheer excess of Takamura calling himself -sama twice in the same sentence was the cherry on top of it all.

This series seems to have hit its stride in the last two episodes. I'm totally looking forward to the Battle of the Hawks without worries about bungling now.
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Apr 22, 2009 4:30 PM

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wasn't a bad episode but i didn't think it was handled too good either. The pacing is just far too fast, i know the episodes are only 20 minutes long instead of 25 minutes now but the director needs to learn that he doesn't need to rush through shit tons of material and place it into one episode, i feel this has been ruining the emotion and drama portrayed in the scenes throughout this second season, the same for this fight as well, when i read this fight in the manga i thought it was a proper tense situation, whilst in this i just felt it was rushed so quickly, even takamura's ring out just failed to get a rise out of me.

judging by the pacing the next episode will cover
and i suspect by episode 19 the fight will begin and the anime will end with
which if it does is incredibly rushed, oh well here's hoping it works out in the end.
 
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Apr 23, 2009 3:10 AM

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I knew there was no way that fight could last more than an episode. Takamura's comeback is so retardedly GAR as is the comment following the match. Nothing like the always pompous Takamura referring to himself as ore-sama as well. We love you, Taka. So glad to see they didn't tone down Hawk either, ahahahaha. I love that crazy bastard. I was gonna say they shoulda borrowed someone from the Eden of the East English crew to voice Hawk, but that was magnificent. Can't wait for the interview scene now, that was so ridiculously intense, hope it adapts well.

callmeagnew said:
judging by the pacing the next episode will cover
and i suspect by episode 19 the fight will begin and the anime will end with
which if it does is incredibly rushed, oh well here's hoping it works out in the end.


Course, maybe it'll slow down and we'll get season five >.>

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Apr 23, 2009 6:26 AM

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one of the better episodes of this season! hawks grin is lulz and the VA fits 100%!
 
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Apr 23, 2009 6:44 AM

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HAHAHAHAHA
Fucking G.

 
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Apr 23, 2009 9:03 AM

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I was surprised how fast the fight went. It felt a bit longer in the manga for some reason. But I did like how they did a montage through the fight like a classic Rocky movie which I thought was cool.

Anyway


After playing some Street Fighter IV in Japanese, Akio Ohtsuka as Seth has convinced me he can do some menacing voices.
 
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Apr 23, 2009 12:20 PM

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I wasn't really impressed by the episode. It wasn't bad, but it definitely had more bravado than it could put up for.
 
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Apr 23, 2009 12:57 PM

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it was ok nothing special yet but that hawk guy is crAzy!
 
Apr 23, 2009 2:09 PM

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Tasty Japanese women, don't really see the significance of it. I thought Takamura would be pissed that Hawk wasn't there to scout.
 
Apr 23, 2009 3:31 PM

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Bakayaro said:
I knew there was no way that fight could last more than an episode. Takamura's comeback is so retardedly GAR as is the comment following the match. Nothing like the always pompous Takamura referring to himself as ore-sama as well. We love you, Taka. So glad to see they didn't tone down Hawk either, ahahahaha. I love that crazy bastard. I was gonna say they shoulda borrowed someone from the Eden of the East English crew to voice Hawk, but that was magnificent. Can't wait for the interview scene now, that was so ridiculously intense, hope it adapts well.

callmeagnew said:
judging by the pacing the next episode will cover
and i suspect by episode 19 the fight will begin and the anime will end with
which if it does is incredibly rushed, oh well here's hoping it works out in the end.


Course, maybe it'll slow down and we'll get season five >.>


It is also one of my favourite bits too next to the hawk fight, i just hope the director doesn't fuck it up, but honestly when this season ends i hope they wait for nishimura to finish with the trigun movie so he can resume his position as director of ippo again before making any new seasons/episodes
 
Apr 23, 2009 3:45 PM

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Hawk has good taste in clothes and women it seems.
 
Apr 23, 2009 4:41 PM

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It is also one of my favourite bits too next to the hawk fight, i just hope the director doesn't fuck it up, but honestly when this season ends i hope they wait for nishimura to finish with the trigun movie so he can resume his position as director of ippo again before making any new seasons/episodes


And also bring back Imahori Tsuneo
 
Apr 23, 2009 5:11 PM

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whole heartedly agreed
 
Apr 23, 2009 5:47 PM

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So, uh. What was so creepy about that last scene? Why was everyone freaking out?

Unless Hawk is confessing to be a cannibal or something (which would be...odd), what's wrong with saying that you like to eat Asian women?
 
Apr 23, 2009 7:12 PM

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naikou said:
So, uh. What was so creepy about that last scene? Why was everyone freaking out?

Unless Hawk is confessing to be a cannibal or something (which would be...odd), what's wrong with saying that you like to eat Asian women?


Exactly, i was confused on why everyone was so shocked as well.
 
Apr 23, 2009 7:48 PM

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naikou said:
So, uh. What was so creepy about that last scene? Why was everyone freaking out?

Unless Hawk is confessing to be a cannibal or something (which would be...odd), what's wrong with saying that you like to eat Asian women?

Cuz japanese media is used to boxers being humble and respectful? So slight sexual reference shocks them. We are talking about a country that censors porn, remember?

That's how i understood it at least, i don't know.
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Apr 23, 2009 7:55 PM

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Yeah, basically Hawk is a giant pervert and has no respect for the sport, that's what pissed Takamura off. He doesn't train and he spends more time screwing around with some women than bothering to even focus on the game, so when he came in and said he came for the delicacy of Japanese women, Takamura was infuriated. Also, it was the disrespect that Hawk showed towards Japan as a nation by saying the only reason he came was to indulge in sexual pleasure of their women. Do also keep in mind Ippo is still 20ish at this point, which puts this about 15 years behind us. Couple this alongside the fact Japan is still a semi-racist nation in the sense that they wish to keep everything internal(their superior genes in particular >:( ), it doesn't help.

In my previous post I mentioned the press conference scene, and this side of Hawk is HUGELY fleshed out there, haha.
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Apr 23, 2009 8:04 PM

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but in some weird ways, takamura and hawk are a lot alike.
 
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but in some weird ways, takamura and hawk are a lot alike.

That's the delicious irony of this fight/match up, neither of them wants to admit it though, obviously.

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Apr 23, 2009 8:48 PM

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Yeah, I think Bakayaro has it right - it's probably a nationalist/racist thing. If Takamura had said those exact same lines, no one would have batted an eyelash.
 
Apr 24, 2009 2:31 AM

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Takamura actually mad...now there's something new.
I liked how they made Takamura weak this time,
so that next time we can actually see the difference in
a half-@ssed fighter and the true Mr."Ore-sama no punchi wa dainamaitou"
(at least I think that's what the makers were getting at and what I also hope to see).
Can't really argue with Ippo, I do enjoy every episode so...no bad things from me.

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Apr 24, 2009 4:05 AM

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Bakayaro said:
ParaParaJMo said:
but in some weird ways, takamura and hawk are a lot alike.

That's the delicious irony of this fight/match up, neither of them wants to admit it though, obviously.


But shortly after this episode, Aokimura did say


But in the end, I think they do acknoweledge they are alike, but yes, they won't publicly admit it

as for ippo's age at this point in the anime, he's still 20 (and he's almost 24 in the manga). right now in the anime, it's been almost one year since he beat sendo.
 
Apr 24, 2009 10:16 AM

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damn takumura actually pissed thats sumthin new and hawk that nigga dont let em fool u dude got some skills.
 
Apr 24, 2009 12:37 PM

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ParaParaJMo said:
Bakayaro said:
ParaParaJMo said:
but in some weird ways, takamura and hawk are a lot alike.

That's the delicious irony of this fight/match up, neither of them wants to admit it though, obviously.


But shortly after this episode, Aokimura did say


But in the end, I think they do acknoweledge they are alike, but yes, they won't publicly admit it

as for ippo's age at this point in the anime, he's still 20 (and he's almost 24 in the manga). right now in the anime, it's been almost one year since he beat sendo.

Hahahaha Aokimura, love that still.


Thanks for the tip off on Ippo's age. It's something I've never been able to keep up with, I think I did the math a month or two back and just forgot all of it, heh.

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Apr 24, 2009 1:47 PM

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No matter his age, ippo still tends to act like a 12 year old, especially with Kumi, which is a bit frustrating.
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M_A said:
No matter his age, ippo still tends to act like a 12 year old, especiallt with Kumi, which is a bit frustrating.

Yeah I gotta agree. It`s note cute or anything, just stupid. Though, the humor is godlike.
 
Apr 26, 2009 9:01 AM

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The knocked out seance was EPIC!
 
Apr 26, 2009 11:34 AM

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Haha, epic episode ! I guess the world championship match will be fun to watch too in some episodes.

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Apr 26, 2009 12:38 PM

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Takamura coming out to ultraseven always rule

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6wRNkf8mE0
 
Apr 26, 2009 11:36 PM

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Not as great as the last episode, but wow Hawk is just awesome. I'm looking forward to his fight with Takamura even more now.
 
Apr 27, 2009 5:34 AM

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M_A said:
No matter his age, ippo still tends to act like a 12 year old, especially with Kumi, which is a bit frustrating.


Yeah about time he crow up.

So if i ever go to Japan i better not say that i like their women because they are gonna get pissed off. Strange because in my country they consider it a compliment.

Anyway the theories that some of you guys said have a point but i have another one about this delicious women thing. Maybe they have a really big problem when a foreigner(especially when he is a big black guy) says something like that because they have a complex on how small there penis is compared to us(maybe they are afraid we are gonna steal their women). Really every time i saw a Jap porn movie or something that showed Japanese men naked i couldn't stop laughing on how small they are down there. And the thing that makes it really funny is not just the size but the fact that the women were screaming and staff, like they were fucked by Godzilla or something. I was wondering how did they even felt anything.
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Apr 27, 2009 9:16 AM

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I don't think he's black...just ridiculously over tanned.
 
Apr 27, 2009 10:25 AM

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Just wait until the press conference. Hawk will really be a riot.

As for Hawk's skin color, I do agree that he's overly tanned as hell. Then again it's later revealed
That may give some indication about his skin color.

I hope they use his trunks colors from the games and not change them like they did with Arnie and Itagaki.

 
Apr 29, 2009 5:25 AM

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After that ring-out punch, I was slack-jawed and bug-eyed. Moments like that are the reason I am glad I never read the manga (bigger shocks when they happen in their animated form)

Then, Hawk's racial tendencies just made for even more epicness. Going to a country just for sexual favors of their women... Can't wait to see this guy even more. Im sure he is going to do/say even more things that will provide much shock value. I LOVE IT!
 
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So I guess that this would be Takamura's most difficult fight we've seen yet on the show. His condition was really terrible. The fight itself was nothing special though, which left me a little disappointed. However I really enjoyed that music with the electric guitar that played in the middle of the match! I felt that it really fit with the mood perfectly (Can't say the same for the rest of the music).

Now it wasn't until the end where things actually got a little interesting as *gasp* Brian Hawk is in Japan...in the audience...and looking as arrogant as ever with two girls hanging off of him! I mean my god this guy has got to be the biggest sleezeball ever (and remember....he's American -_- ). I can definitely see how Takamura was motivated by this, so motivated that he actually starts winning his exchanges with West and them KOs him with a ring out!....a freakin ring out!

My favorite part has to be after the match though when Hawk meets with Takamura and says that his favorite food in Japan is Japanese women! I wonder if he'll pay for saying that in the next episode. I also find it interesting that the show made it so we don't actually hear Hawk when he speaks in English, and honestly I think that was a really good move. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that if we did hear him it would be nothing but some of the worst Engrish we've ever heard.

So all in all this episode was alright, but not great. I'll be watching the next episode soon.

3/5
 
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Even though Hawk is the same race and nationality as me I gotta say hes a slimy bastard through out the whole episode. I mean his slimy smile and attitude is what really pissed me off about this guy. So I hope Takamura knocks that cocky smile off his face.

 
May 19, 2009 9:44 AM

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if you think hawk is bad, wait until you see
 
Aug 20, 2009 8:12 PM

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yakyuu-addict said:
Tasty Japanese women, don't really see the significance of it. I thought Takamura would be pissed that Hawk wasn't there to scout.


Same here, I thought Takamura would be pissed about Hawk just coming for 'Japanese food'. *Shrugs*
Guess we'll be hearing more about Hawk now.

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Even though Hawk is the same race and nationality as me I gotta say hes a slimy bastard through out the whole episode.


D: I wept.
 
Aug 27, 2009 5:22 AM

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I wonder when this show is going to start focusing on Ippo's career again. he's pretty much stopped moving forward and isn't even trying to learn new techniques anymore.
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but in some weird ways, takamura and hawk are a lot alike.

the biggest difference is that Hawk is a successful pervert and Takamura isn't, which has got to be pissing him off more than all the rest of the crap Hawk is doing combined.
 
Sep 16, 2009 2:44 PM
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Holy fuck. That was the most epic KO so far in this series, and Hawk is a mad man. I had to go an spoil myself by stumbling across Takamura's world title match on ippo.wikia though didn't I! That match is going to be insane! So pissed off I already know the outcome. -_-
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Oct 28, 2009 4:25 AM

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Woah a ring out O_O but that Bryan Hawk guy is just asking to get his ass handed to him Takamura is pissed!
 
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"I didn't come to see you fight! I came for your Japanese vaginas!! HA HA HA!" (liberal translation)

What a giant a-hole! I swear if he and Takamura met in a bar they'd either be best buds or they'd fight over a bar stool. This guy is ridiculous.

 
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It's hilarious to see Takamura in this shrunken form haha I like the twist with Bryan Hawk in the crowd which really motivated Takamura to win.. otherwise I really think he would lose the fight..
In the end with all the interviewers.. I think in the next episode there'll be some brawling hehe
 
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Bryan Hawk is the Floyd Mayweather of Hajime no Ippo. I was expecting for him to win after he brought West to the center but I was actually expecting a KO like that because I just wanted him to showoff infront of the world champ.
 
Jul 31, 2013 8:47 PM

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as i expected, hawk is insane xD that was a good episode and the fight was great
Takamura is Boss
when i saw hawk in the hall and Takamura been kicked xD i laughed to death, and somehow sensed takamura's anger xD
 
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Man, Takamura really pulled through in that fight and messed up that dude, just imagine if he was at his normal condition, the fight would've end in the first round. Also, Hawk is a pretty perverted dude, he's almost like Takamura, just to a bigger extreme, I can't wait to see their fight.
 
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This guy really pisses me off >,>
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So am I feel to free to assume that the dude at the end of this episode might be psychotic?
 
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Smooth as fuck Takamura, smooth as fuck.
 
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