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I don't think anyone is annoyed per se or hasn't already realized that. Most of the responses in this thread so far just seem to be expressing amusement. If you don't think it's amusing to see a character who contrasts so exquisitely with the typical anime fighting protagonist (who despite superior skills always has to engage in pointless long drawn out battles or be barely on the edge of winning, etc.), you need to take this series a bit less seriously. ;)

lol can't wait for next ep :) chibis ftw, the ep, atleast there was some fighting.

Unfortunately I agree with most of the people here.
I just can't see the bigger picture.
I just watched the episode, came to this site to update my watching list, and realized that this is 14th episode, and I still don't have a clue what's the point of this show or main story. I guess it's Layfon and, well, his past and his present.

I actually liked the "fight" between fonfon and that other guy.
It just once again proved that almost no fighter is a match for heavens-blade wielder, even for a former one.
Now I would like to see some story, but seeing how this show proved not to care about it's own development (Nina & Layfon...I just can't forget that...), I don't see how this can turn into something good...

Such a shame, I loved first 3-4 episodes.

The big picture is Layfon's adventures and his relationships in Zuellini and Grendan. What else do you expect? If you want an epic journey, I think you are looking at the wrong show here.

Also it seems that the ultimate conflict is between Grendan and Layfon and the filth monsters. That's the big picture. Simple isn't it?

That is why I hate big pictures. People need to learn to enjoy the details more.

Ok, if the big picture is Layfon's adventures...then he's only technically had one: to the lost city. If it's about his relationships, then barring his relationship with Felli, they're inconsistent (Nina), nonexistent (Sharnid), cliche (every secondary character), or not understandable due to lack of info (everyone from Grendan, except maybe the girl who gets fondled).

What I expect is clear storytelling from a show that is nothing more than your run of the mill "boy with powers and 'hot chicks' around him." But we don't really get that. We get little bits of information about turtle cities and fairies and haikizoku tossed in with bad English that, so far, has not proven to have anything to do with the show centered around a terribly mediocre high school slice of life set up.

more episodes go by more i'm afraid that this will be another great miss as many others animes where they begin changing story from manga.

in manga was told that all happened because of money and when he showed his real face all betrayed him so noone wanted him to stay because they wanted hero not something less. ("all happened because of one misstake")
to bad that there isn't any more translated chapters.

How is his relationship to Nina inconsistent? They hold a co-worker/ leader-soldier relationship. Just because their beliefs are different does not mean it will shatter that type of relation. Also, she already forgave him for his act in the lost regios ep (That was a misunderstanding between them so they made up).

Also, his relation to Sharnid is only as a teammate. They rarely talk except maybe about girls or Felli.

The Bad English parts are not part of the story. They are part of the Prequel to Regios (That is how the world as we know it ended and how humans became reliant on Regios).

What I do agree with is that there are lots of holes. The anime refuses to give the rich backgrounds the light novel includes.

However that is understandable if this anime is not planning on a second season. There are way too many characters to cover in depth in so little time.

What you are complaining about is not the big picture but the details. A plot can be easily summarized; however, the execution of it and the use of details are what makes it great. =P

Please use accurate terminology lest you confuse people like me.


I believe the light novel had too much information that cannot be shown on screen without forcing viewers to read or listen through a history lesson. That is not something the directors may want.

That is why, most novel to movie adaptations suck TBH. The major reason is, you cannot fit details into an anime if the novel is not made for screentime.

One of the most successful light novel to anime adaptations is full metal panic. (However, even that anime lacked many of the great details in the light novel but those details are minor which is a major contrast here. Regios's history is actually very rich and essential).

So that is why, I will probably look forward to Baka-Tsuki's translation of this light novel as a sort of supplement to the anime. It will make understanding certain actions much clearer.

Nope



This is exactly my opinion. This show has no direction whatsoever. And that bothers me, yes. I did enjoy first 3-4, even up to 7-8 episodes. But than it all started going in circles and repeating same stuff with different characters.

This show had such a great potential to develop characters, AND to develop story, and it started just like that. Nina acting strong, but still just being a naive girl(she still is), Felli being awesome and consistent, and now...now I don't even know any more which character is like what. Nina hates Layfon, she likes Layfon, Nina disagrees with Layfon, Nina forgets, Nina wants Layfon out, Nina forgets, Felli being jealous on Layfon going with another girl, Felli not even getting screen time lately...I guess they need explanation why she will forget everything.

This show is just happen-forget. What's the point?
I do enjoy small stuff, I enjoyed Casshern sins even after 18 episodes of just meeting new people and progressing as slow as turtle, but the characters had consistency. If they developed, there was a reason why, if they had an argument, they remembered it. And that show was FAR away from perfect.

Meh, just another show on my list that turned from great to under average...

It's such a shame to have Felli in this kind of show.

Not to mention that it's such a shame to waste so much time and money on something that had the potential to be great, but instead the show drops the soap and guess what happens. ****ed in the ass.

They ended that arc with Nina basically saying "You don't understand how much I hate you." If I remember correctly, then the next episode was a filler where she is basically blushing in half jealousy that Layfon is touching Felli so "intimately." Then we get back to this arc where things are like they were before they were in the lost city. That to me is the definition of inconsistent. Does she hate Layfon? Does she see him only as a teammate and not a friend? Does she see him as a friend? Does she have romantic feelings toward him?



I'm sorry, but if you believe character relationships and competent direction are details then, besides a lame synopsis, what are detail elements and what are big picture elements. I think big picture elements are charcters, plot, and direction. Details are scene specific happenings, music, pacing within episodes, etc.

What I think is happening is that you are filling in holes because you are previously familiar with the work. For those who aren't this show is grasping at trying to be all things to all people while loosing sight of any of the good elements it contains.

Agree'd with above ranting, show is falling greatly. I personally loved the strategical battles platoons between, and while it was pretty lacking I hoped for better. Instead we got predicable battles.

Well I hoped for character development. No, we just see Sharnid and whoever-that-blonde-with-crazy-hairstyle-was tossing totally subjective philosophies against each other.

Well at least we go Fe-
Oh wait, her petals tends to appear more often than herself.

For love of god, while I hate dropping shounens this one is getting on my nerves.

Are you an idiot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5b69TYrDw&feature=related go to the 8 minute part. Felli tells Nina that Layfon is willing to do anything to survive and protect the person he cherishes. Nina finally understood that Layfon was not GREEDY, so she runs down the elevator. Also when she says she hates Layfon at the end, she means she hates how Layfon is always vague with his words. You can obviously see that if you connect the scene before to this. So, if put in context, Nina makes a lot of sense. I do not see any problems with her character. Nina is a naive honest, knight-type person so she would obviously hate Layfon's white lies.


So noteDhero and nina4life, you're pretty wrong there.

You guys are the ones who are forgetful

Look, I don't think that there is any reason for you to call me an idiot. That said, click on the part three from that video set and go to 1:23 mark. She clearly says "I hate you." I thought I was pretty clear in saying that at the end of the episode she says "I hate you." But I suppose you just wanted to try and end the argument thinking I wouldn't go and try to prove my point.

And what about the other points I raised?

Try to be more mature in the discussion forums. Name calling is uncalled for.

I already addressed the "I hate you" part in the previous post.

Also, there are no problems with the big picture as far as I am concerned. The characters' personalities are consistent and the story revolves around happenings in Zuelini so far and the development of Platoon 17.

The details such as the plot pacing and scene specific happenings are what is pretty bad in this anime.

I am not filling in holes technically. I am unfamiliar with the work actually. I have only read the first chapter of the light novel translated by baka-tsuki.

The rest of the background I gathered were mostly about Layfon's past in Grendan and the history of the Regios. But that's the extent of my knowledge.

Also, I don't mean to call you an idiot. Just that you are forgetful or are trying to put words out of context/meaning. No offense intended. >.>

Don't worry, it was my quote to which he answered by calling me an idiot, not you ;)

btw, about character consistency. I am still trying to find an answer why is fonfon still in 17th platoon. She clearly said she doesn't want him in the team anymore.

What happened to Layfon and that school girl anyway? She was so interested in him, they showed her for a few episodes, only to completely shut her down lately.
What happened to Felli? From one of the main characters to completely irrelevant (in a way, she still does things...kind of...).
What happened, what happened, what happened, what happened, what happened....I hate having so many what happened..

I'm not taking anything out of context. My argument was that Nina is inconsistent in her feelings toward Layfon, and I pointed to those places in particular to prove my point. I think calling Nina forgetful is accurate because from episode to episode, and sometimes scene to scene, her treatment of Layfon is vastly different.

Are their personalities consistent? Yes. Are their interactions growing in any way? No. If this show is about Platoon 17 developing, then we don't really see that. It's still Layfon doing the brunt of the work with Nina doing next to nothing and being angry while Felli and Sharnid are on the sidelines. The team has not grown as a whole, and this past arc was a good spot for it to happen, but instead, Sharnid went lone wolf, and Layfon still has next to no understanding of him.

Fonfon is still in the platoon because Nina realized she misunderstood him as I pointed out. She hates him because he caused her to misunderstand him.

I know that I often use "I hate you" figuratively. It's a figure of speech to show that you misunderstood a person because of his white lie so you hate him. It shouldn't be taken as meaning that you never want to talk to him again. There are many meanings to "I hate you." In this context, Nina is not using the vile meaning.

Isn't the school girl appearing next ep?

And the rest of your questions. There is something called limited time. I think the thrust of the anime so far is to show the growth of platoon 17. (Showing Felli cares for the city, Sharnid cares for the city, and Layfon cares for the city) You get the point. Once everyone in the platoon has a reason to fight, I am guessing the real plot starts to move.

So instead of a main character who becomes really strong. This story seems to be about a weak platoon that becomes really strong.

Also, I really don't mean you are an idiot when I asked that question. It's in a joking, rhetoric manner. No offense really.

*edit* to address the previous post: Humans have unstable emotions and apparently Nina has really bad control over her emotions. She is very self-righteous and hardheaded. This can be seen in the previous ep, where she just goes to tell Dinn how she feels without letting the police know that she is blowing their cover.

She just has a strong sense of self-justice + emotion. Is there something wrong with that?

Also, Sharnid wanted to clear up his relationship with Sheena (Not sure of the name, the blond lance girl lol). So he wanted no one to go with him. Also, he was seriously fighting for once, which is unlike him. I think that shows character development no? He went lone wolf because he wanted it to be a part of the team strategy. (He knows the blond girl best).

Not to mention we don't get to know why those mercenaries wanted that burning lion (I didn't bother remembering its name).
(correction, we do...sorry about this one :) )

Not to mention that thing "left", and it wasn't explained what it wanted with Layfon in one of previous episodes (probably same as with Diin, but does Layfon have same desires as Diin did?).

Is Nina developing? Yes, she is. She learned a few things about life in general, and about fighting in general.
Is her relationship with Layfon developing? Nope, I wouldn't say so. I don't know whether they're friends of leader/member, or potential romance(there were even hints of that).

About hate thing. She does hate him, why the smile on his face. Because he knows her better than she knows him. She is just very naive person, and having naive look on life. She tells him she hates him, and he knows she doesn't really hate him for what he is, but because of his life ...what's the word...moral standards?
And he knows it's funny, but she is like that, perfectionist, and there is no doubt she is consistent when it comes to life, but it's their relationship that's long way from consistent.

Oh whatever, I have nothing smarter to do anyway, I'll keep watching it till the end, hopefully something changes, but I seriously doubt it.

I think the burning lion thing will come into play in the future and be clearer.

The thing wanted to possess Layfon but Layfon was too strong to be possessed. Think of it has a vengeful spirit that failed to protect the city as explained in the latest ep.... (Layfon has the same desire but he is already so strong he doesn't need the vengeful spirit. But uhh, the thing will be explained further later on, I think it was intentionally left vague).

Nina knows Layfon better since the lost regios ep. She knows he is unwilling to delve into his past and will do anything to protect what he cherishes (e.g. the survival of the orphanage he was born into). And I think from the later eps. we can infer that she is coming to terms with Layfon's sneaky ways. (She is always watching him doing some mission without telling her).

(Oh and the romance seems to be down to Felli and Leerin =P ). (Mei-shen is way too shy and the only foundation she has for liking Layfon is knowing that he saved her; which is a pretty shallow reason compared to Leerin or Felli's. They at least understand Layfon's struggles. Felli knows what it feels like to be overpowered lol and Leerin knows how it feels like to grow up in an orphanage).

I don't remember Layfon telling her what he needed money for.
Sure, he did mention it was for orphanage, but for him for orphanage(whatever that means).

But all she knows about him is that he was in underground battles, he cut the guys hand to protect himself, and is willing to do anything to protect himself and those he cherishes.
HOWEVER, that goes completely against her moral standards, and that's why she said she hates him. Clearly difference in opinions.
I can even overlook the facts about hating and leaving pl17., but only if they had a talk about it.

As I stated in one of the previous episodes, those things are serious, you are likely to get in life threatening situations with team mate who is willing to do anything to live, how can you trust that person with your life?
Now, if they had a talk about it (5 minutes from one episode is nothing for something as important as this), and she agreed for him to stay on some terms (dunno now), it would have been ok.
Instead, they completely forgot everything.

You know, what would happen if they going to "another lost city"(just example)?
It's not that I don't like Nina, I just don't understand that someone can get over something as major as that. They are not kids who had a fight over something small so they can forget it later.
I know this is show, but in their context, it's life and death when it comes to battle against filth monsters. In that case, you can't forget something like that....unless you're an idiot not caring for your life...