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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
32 51.61%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
18 29.03%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
8 12.90%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
3 4.84%
1 out of 5: Hated it
 
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03-10-11, 2:32 AM

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Like most people, I read Monster, then 20th CB, then Pluto. After the first 2 I was really looking for a shorter series with the same style of storyline and themes. Pluto fulfilled most of my hopes, however I have the same problem with most, as to the character of the teddy bear. To me, he/she/it was one of the more intriguing and interesting characters, and the fact that the bear's story is non-existant was a big let down. I also thought it was stupid to show Gesicht's child in the last chapter, without explaining what happened to him. What's the point of showing him at all?
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03-29-11, 4:30 PM

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It was a pretty good manga up until the end it left to many questions unanswered 7/10 imo.
 
08-06-11, 4:49 AM

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Compared to most I actually quite liked this last chapter, it was ofc not perfect, the journey was definitely better than the destination but overall, I consider this a great manga and I won't lower my score just because the last chapter had a few problems. Also, I would have liked Urasawa to develop the Brau-1589 character a bit more, but oh well.
 
09-11-11, 1:37 PM

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Huh so thats how it ends..........

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10-31-11, 2:21 AM

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I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.
 
11-26-11, 12:38 PM

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grandy_UiD said:
I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.

Totally agree. I was going to give it a 10/10 but Brau-1589 escaping from the Artificial Intelligence Correction Camp and crawling his way to Dr Roosvelt doesn't make any sense.
Regarding Gesicht's child: it is obvious that he was killed by Adolf's brother.
 
12-18-11, 4:21 PM

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I cant understand why you guys complain so much. I can say the ending was good. I have to admit that its the best ending he ever made (i compare it with 20CB and Monster). You know who the teddy bear is, you know about gesicht child. So basicly you know every major thing about the manga. The only bad thing i can find is tha he dont deepen into Brau's back story (i would love to learn more about him and why he killed that human). And last the part that Brau escapes crawling is a bit strange.


I want to say what i believe about the reason that brau killed that human i believe that he killed him for similar reason that gesicht did. But i am not sure. Maybe Naoki already saw it to us and we just didnt get it. (sorry for my bad English)
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01-04-12, 6:23 PM

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will never look at astro boy the same way again
also this story seems kinda inspired by the iraq war lol
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03-06-12, 8:36 AM

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Only things I dont like is that we dont know how Brau knew so much and how he got to Roosvelt at the end. Still a 9/10 manga for me
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05-22-12, 4:18 AM

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it was good, but it wasn't /amazing/. i didn't get the same adrenaline as i did from monster & 20cb. towards the middle the manga was good and picked up a lot, but i feel like it really fell towards the end. 8/10
 
08-02-12, 10:04 AM

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Maybe the best sci-fi environment I've ever seen... o_o This manga was great! 10/10!
 
09-10-12, 4:02 PM

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20th century boys,Monster and now Pluto!Urasawa is not a perfect Mangaka, cause there is not one!He is one of the best though!Amazing storylines to all of his works!I don't like robot-concept stories but I enjoyed every page of this one!

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11-04-12, 11:49 AM

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Dr.Abra is controlled by teddy? . If so, in what chapter it is revealed?.
 
01-09-13, 11:19 PM

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The last panel of the last page blows your mind
 
04-17-13, 12:19 AM

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Urasawa still has his ways with obscure endings, although I didn't care much at all for this final chapter. I just wasn't feeling it with the whole Bora and bomb destroying the whole world. However, the rest of the manga was incredible. Urasawa is definitely a favorite of mine.
 
10-02-13, 9:35 PM

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To all you people saying their were too many loose ends let me unloose them for you:

gesicht child: He finds a child in a junk yard. Raises it and loves it. Until the brother of that guy who trys to kill him kidnaps the child. The child is killed and mutilated by that guy. Gesicht gets extremely angry and kills the guy. The government tries to hide it by erasing gesicht and his wife's memories.

Brau- it is implied a couple times in the series that brau murdered probably in very similar circumstances as gesicht. They called him an "executioner" which is similar to what gesicht did, in that he executed someone who DESERVED to be killed. This is further illustrated by them saying multiple times in the series that "gesicht is the same as brau".
Also in his final meeting with atom a few things can be learned.
1. its very VERY likely that brau has some sensing abilities along the lines of the Uran. This is how he seems to know whats going on all the time. And how he sensed atom's "heart" at the end. They also mention all advanced robots can sort of sense each other.
2. it is likely he could have escaped at any time. The author plays a trick on us every time we see brau. He is seen as hyper frail with a weak skinny arm. But in the encounter with atom you learn through perspective that his weak skinny arm is actually EXTREMELY LONG and retractable! This along with the last scene to me implies that brau could have likely used this arm to escape AT ANY TIME. This is especially likely since he escaped without atom's help and he is seen THROWING the javelin that impaled him with this extending arm in the last chapter. He likely stayed there because he wanted to and possibly to avoid being chased. http://view.thespectrum.net/manga/Pluto/Volume%2008/pluto_v08_079.JPG
Has the creepy super long arm picture.
3. It might have been atom who captured (and kept brau alive) since he keeps called atom "an old friend" and seems to respect and owe atom a favor.

Brau also didn't likely KILL the evil teddy robot but simply impaled him with the stunning javelin. He also although seeming injured was probably very capable of fighting and being mobile because that extending arm, he also might have had some kind of flight ability that we didn't see or stole a flying car and other weaponry to assault the united states computer. I think its just heavily implied that brau was not as injured as he was leading on. Lastly, they very briefly mention robot stealth abilities so maybe brau has some.

Teddy roosevelt AI - to those that were saying he wasn't developed enough, he was developed plenty. He was a robot who was trying to manipulate the world into destroying the other mega-robots. He did this likely by starting the entire persian war conflict by forcing the united states to attack persia. This caused persia to try and end the world and caused persia to try and kill the other super robots. With the other super robots gone, and goji alive, there would be nothing stopping goji from destroying the world. But his plan failed when atom was revived and freed pluto from the control of goji (by pluto removing the horns). Anyway, he really didn't need to be fleshed out as he was the "evil super robot" role which is very simple.

Pluto - was likely controlled by the horns. Every time one of them is destroyed he starts to talk a lot more, and when both are destroyed by atom at the end he becomes completely in control of himself. Heracles also tried very hard to destroy the horns and said they were the key.


So ya I thought the series ended decently and was very sad and tear jerky throughout. 9.3/10. More brau would have been nice but wasn't needed.
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10-03-13, 11:19 PM

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Not a bad ending. The manga was alright in my opinion but compared to the mangaka's more popular works it wasn't really on the same level.
 
12-11-13, 10:02 PM

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sharp7j said:

You've already said everything I wanted to say.
This ending is just like Urasawa's style, he implies things, and gives many hints during the work, it's just up to us to form the bizarre puzzle.
So 9/10, it was indeed a great tribute to Tezuka.

I would've liked more about Brau and Gesicht alive but well, amazing nonetheless.
 
12-16-13, 4:01 PM

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I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.
I agree to the first part but brau killed roosevelt because atom told him to in their final meaning, atom gave the last bit of hatred he was feeling and let it pass on to Brau.
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Great stuff, am I the only one to think that 20th Century Boys was weak compared to this and Monster?

No. I also think that.

For someone who's not fond of the sci-fi genre, I have to say this was a fantastic series! Better than 20th CB, imho.
 
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