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Mar 10, 2011 2:32 AM

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Like most people, I read Monster, then 20th CB, then Pluto. After the first 2 I was really looking for a shorter series with the same style of storyline and themes. Pluto fulfilled most of my hopes, however I have the same problem with most, as to the character of the teddy bear. To me, he/she/it was one of the more intriguing and interesting characters, and the fact that the bear's story is non-existant was a big let down. I also thought it was stupid to show Gesicht's child in the last chapter, without explaining what happened to him. What's the point of showing him at all?
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Mar 29, 2011 4:30 PM

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It was a pretty good manga up until the end it left to many questions unanswered 7/10 imo.
 
Aug 6, 2011 4:49 AM

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Compared to most I actually quite liked this last chapter, it was ofc not perfect, the journey was definitely better than the destination but overall, I consider this a great manga and I won't lower my score just because the last chapter had a few problems. Also, I would have liked Urasawa to develop the Brau-1589 character a bit more, but oh well.
 
Sep 11, 2011 1:37 PM

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Huh so thats how it ends..........

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Oct 31, 2011 2:21 AM

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I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.
 
Nov 26, 2011 12:38 PM

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grandy_UiD said:
I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.

Totally agree. I was going to give it a 10/10 but Brau-1589 escaping from the Artificial Intelligence Correction Camp and crawling his way to Dr Roosvelt doesn't make any sense.
Regarding Gesicht's child: it is obvious that he was killed by Adolf's brother.
 
Dec 18, 2011 4:21 PM

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I cant understand why you guys complain so much. I can say the ending was good. I have to admit that its the best ending he ever made (i compare it with 20CB and Monster). You know who the teddy bear is, you know about gesicht child. So basicly you know every major thing about the manga. The only bad thing i can find is tha he dont deepen into Brau's back story (i would love to learn more about him and why he killed that human). And last the part that Brau escapes crawling is a bit strange.


I want to say what i believe about the reason that brau killed that human i believe that he killed him for similar reason that gesicht did. But i am not sure. Maybe Naoki already saw it to us and we just didnt get it. (sorry for my bad English)
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Jan 4, 2012 6:23 PM

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will never look at astro boy the same way again
also this story seems kinda inspired by the iraq war lol
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Mar 6, 2012 8:36 AM

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Only things I dont like is that we dont know how Brau knew so much and how he got to Roosvelt at the end. Still a 9/10 manga for me
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May 22, 2012 4:18 AM

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it was good, but it wasn't /amazing/. i didn't get the same adrenaline as i did from monster & 20cb. towards the middle the manga was good and picked up a lot, but i feel like it really fell towards the end. 8/10
 
Aug 2, 2012 10:04 AM

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Maybe the best sci-fi environment I've ever seen... o_o This manga was great! 10/10!
 
Sep 10, 2012 4:02 PM

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20th century boys,Monster and now Pluto!Urasawa is not a perfect Mangaka, cause there is not one!He is one of the best though!Amazing storylines to all of his works!I don't like robot-concept stories but I enjoyed every page of this one!

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Nov 4, 2012 11:49 AM

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Dr.Abra is controlled by teddy? . If so, in what chapter it is revealed?.
 
Jan 9, 2013 11:19 PM

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The last panel of the last page blows your mind
 
Apr 17, 2013 12:19 AM

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Urasawa still has his ways with obscure endings, although I didn't care much at all for this final chapter. I just wasn't feeling it with the whole Bora and bomb destroying the whole world. However, the rest of the manga was incredible. Urasawa is definitely a favorite of mine.
 
Oct 2, 2013 9:35 PM

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To all you people saying their were too many loose ends let me unloose them for you:

gesicht child: He finds a child in a junk yard. Raises it and loves it. Until the brother of that guy who trys to kill him kidnaps the child. The child is killed and mutilated by that guy. Gesicht gets extremely angry and kills the guy. The government tries to hide it by erasing gesicht and his wife's memories.

Brau- it is implied a couple times in the series that brau murdered probably in very similar circumstances as gesicht. They called him an "executioner" which is similar to what gesicht did, in that he executed someone who DESERVED to be killed. This is further illustrated by them saying multiple times in the series that "gesicht is the same as brau".
Also in his final meeting with atom a few things can be learned.
1. its very VERY likely that brau has some sensing abilities along the lines of the Uran. This is how he seems to know whats going on all the time. And how he sensed atom's "heart" at the end. They also mention all advanced robots can sort of sense each other.
2. it is likely he could have escaped at any time. The author plays a trick on us every time we see brau. He is seen as hyper frail with a weak skinny arm. But in the encounter with atom you learn through perspective that his weak skinny arm is actually EXTREMELY LONG and retractable! This along with the last scene to me implies that brau could have likely used this arm to escape AT ANY TIME. This is especially likely since he escaped without atom's help and he is seen THROWING the javelin that impaled him with this extending arm in the last chapter. He likely stayed there because he wanted to and possibly to avoid being chased. http://view.thespectrum.net/manga/Pluto/Volume%2008/pluto_v08_079.JPG
Has the creepy super long arm picture.
3. It might have been atom who captured (and kept brau alive) since he keeps called atom "an old friend" and seems to respect and owe atom a favor.

Brau also didn't likely KILL the evil teddy robot but simply impaled him with the stunning javelin. He also although seeming injured was probably very capable of fighting and being mobile because that extending arm, he also might have had some kind of flight ability that we didn't see or stole a flying car and other weaponry to assault the united states computer. I think its just heavily implied that brau was not as injured as he was leading on. Lastly, they very briefly mention robot stealth abilities so maybe brau has some.

Teddy roosevelt AI - to those that were saying he wasn't developed enough, he was developed plenty. He was a robot who was trying to manipulate the world into destroying the other mega-robots. He did this likely by starting the entire persian war conflict by forcing the united states to attack persia. This caused persia to try and end the world and caused persia to try and kill the other super robots. With the other super robots gone, and goji alive, there would be nothing stopping goji from destroying the world. But his plan failed when atom was revived and freed pluto from the control of goji (by pluto removing the horns). Anyway, he really didn't need to be fleshed out as he was the "evil super robot" role which is very simple.

Pluto - was likely controlled by the horns. Every time one of them is destroyed he starts to talk a lot more, and when both are destroyed by atom at the end he becomes completely in control of himself. Heracles also tried very hard to destroy the horns and said they were the key.


So ya I thought the series ended decently and was very sad and tear jerky throughout. 9.3/10. More brau would have been nice but wasn't needed.
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Oct 3, 2013 11:19 PM

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Not a bad ending. The manga was alright in my opinion but compared to the mangaka's more popular works it wasn't really on the same level.
 
Dec 11, 2013 10:02 PM

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sharp7j said:

You've already said everything I wanted to say.
This ending is just like Urasawa's style, he implies things, and gives many hints during the work, it's just up to us to form the bizarre puzzle.
So 9/10, it was indeed a great tribute to Tezuka.

I would've liked more about Brau and Gesicht alive but well, amazing nonetheless.
 
Dec 16, 2013 4:01 PM

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I don't quite see what everyone's problem with Roosevelt is. He was pulling the strings behind the scenes, manipulating people/other robots (Abra in particular) to destroy humanity and make earth a place for only robots to live in. He was a super computer that hated humans (or simply saw himself and robots as superior beings) and wanted to wipe them out. Simple as that. It's really a common theme in Sci-Fi. I think Urasawa didn't explore this character too much because there really wasn't much more to be said about him.

I agree about the Brau thing, though. no explanation why he did that (I can live with that, he was crazy) and especially how the hell he got there. Doesn't matter, awesome manga is awesome.
I agree to the first part but brau killed roosevelt because atom told him to in their final meaning, atom gave the last bit of hatred he was feeling and let it pass on to Brau.
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Feb 5, 2014 2:24 AM
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insan3Spectre said:
Great stuff, am I the only one to think that 20th Century Boys was weak compared to this and Monster?

No. I also think that.

For someone who's not fond of the sci-fi genre, I have to say this was a fantastic series! Better than 20th CB, imho.
 
Mar 25, 2014 10:51 PM

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Great manga overall. It was able to handle a science fiction setting much better than 20th century boys, but didn't have the same depth and scale as 20th century boys had. Nonetheless, still had great characters, a great story, and it's definitely one of the better examples of science fictions in manga.
 
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Brau having all those capabilities out of nowhere is an asspull, Pluto being controlled by the horns doesn't make sense, and Roosevelt's plan predicts something absurd, which would be that someone in Persia would launch an attack to conveniently kill humanity but keep robots alive, like he wanted. How the fuck would he predict that would be the outcome?

All in all, 8/10.
 
Oct 25, 2014 5:13 AM
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Engaging storyline with very interesting characters. Ending felt a bit underwhelming though but I thought it kept the momentum and balance well all the way from the very beginning. 8/10. Anime adaptation when?

Edit: I hope MAPPA adapts this in the future as I've heard that they plan to adapt something that is "old".
 
Oct 26, 2014 10:57 AM

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insan3priest said:
Great stuff, am I the only one to think that 20th Century Boys was weak compared to this and Monster?


I know this post was written long ago, but eh.

I feel the same way. I actually prefer Pluto over Monster, and Monster over 20th Century Boys. The key reason why is length. I felt that since Pluto only had 8 volumes of story, it felt far more focused. 20th Century Boys had some problems in that front, because it was just too long. Urasawa has a tendency to be too ambitious with his works, so the final acts of all of his manga tend to experience some collapse from all the characters and plot points he adds in.
 
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Very nice way to end it. Just about all of the main cast got ample time to develop and the cliffhanger with Brau-1589 was a fantastic way to end the manga. 9/10.
 
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Uh, what's with the people calling it cliffhanger, it's a perfectly easy to understand ending, as for the bear - it could have even been just an hypotethical existance and the manga would still be great.

But if you realy want someone as much as come and point a finger for you, I guess I can give it a go - from the last dialog between brau and bear, we can pretty much guess that they are acquaintainces for one reason or another - this leads to a conclusion that is highly likely to be:
They are originally similiar model of robot - specifically the 'perfect AI'

Don't forget the name Roosweld(can't remember exact wording, but something similiar at the very least) which the bear bears(I couldn't skip making that pun!)..this could be just for convenience, but it could also mean that he is similiar to Atom and Abra, as in someone else's consciousness was implanted into him.
And the idea behind that person was probably something along the lines of eden project prosperity, while at the same time - hatred for the rest of humanity.


As for the manga itself - I loved the plot, but it was not the thing that I enjoyed the most - most entangling was the unique world it had, it's realy an out of line view on how humanity could develop. I saw a tonn of sci fi settings, but none of them were ones I could take seriously, but this one had realy suitable policies, as in I could accept such world easily. It may not be perfect or too complex, but it shines in it's own way.

Even though it's not something as grand as monster or 20th century boys - it certainly is worth looking at.
I avoided this manga for a few years, since the reviews despite being highly ranked were uninspiring, and not discribing the most important details, which would actually promore the manga further.

A 9/10 from me.
 
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People can say what they like, for me this was better than 20th Century Boys, Urasawa's best piece of work.

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Mar 2, 5:22 AM

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People can say what they like, for me this was better than 20th Century Boys, Urasawa's best piece of work.


The same line of thought I've rated all of his works as 10.
 
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I didn't expect that ending to be honest. It does make sense though that Brau 1589 did something after that one on one with Atom
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A special Urasawa class 10 from me.

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