| I don't know whether this is possible within the boundaries of the site's code, but would there be any way to enable an option to customize the titles of series entries, or at least to select one of the alternate titles that's already added into the site? There are several series on my list that I know by their translated/dubbed titles, and it's rather distracting to see some eight-word Japanese title instead of something like "Naruto Movie 1." (Heck, it took me a good ten minutes to figure out that the Mega Man series I was watching was listed under "Ryusei no Rockman.") Would implementing this be feasible? |
| What could 'maybe' be implemented, is something like: If said anime has an English title filled in, and you've chosen in your profile/list settings to 'show English titles when available', use the English title as the default anime title. What that work? This could be turned on for your list, and for browsing around the site (list would probably be implemented first though). |
| Yes, that would be very handy, if it's possible. |
| I completely agree with this. Xinil it would be awesome if we could edit the titles of the shows on our list. However I'd like to be able to completely edit the names of the anime on my list because i'd like it to be organized. If that is possible.. |
| While being able to choose one of the available titles for the series to display sounds reasonable, choosing your very own title is most definitely not going to happen. |
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| While exploring MAL (once again) I noticed under the Naruto anime section, that all the side stories have aweful long and confusing names in a mix between Japanese and English titles. The worst example I could find there is "Naruto: Dai Katsugeki!! Yuki Hime Shinobu Houjou Dattebayo! Special: Konoha Annual Sports Festival". The rest of the side stories are either of Japanese or English titles. My suggestion here is to convert all the entries into the same language so it doesn't cause this confusion among the titles - I'd propose the English titles for overall better understanding and then add their Japanese titles under "Alternative Titles" (just below the picture). I have not checked if this regards other sections as well, it just caught my attention when I passed by. Anyone in favor for this? PS: Just a few off-topic anime relation issues about Naruto: (nothing critical ^^ - I have no idea where else to "report" this) Lol a lot of links -.-' Thank you for your time. |
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| In the way the entries are set up is the name, the alternate names, the english version, and the Kanji version (at least, thats how the manga's are set up) When I approve Manga's, I tend to favor the language of choice (Japanese, korean, etc) because the english alt name is provided. You'll find though that most of the time the titles are in English anyway, so thats why it may be confusing sometimes. Im all for making it all original language. Not every anime/manga is translated officially into English, so you have to use the original names anyway. Its more official that way. |
| Besides most of english translations doesn't make much sense and often sound just stupid. But I guess entry title is mostly one of the most popular. |
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Antanaru said: Besides most of english translations doesn't make much sense and often sound just stupid. But I guess entry title is mostly one of the most popular. ^^ |
| I am in total support of this idea :D. Make it happen plz Xinil. |
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Antanaru said: Which would you prefer: A half assed translation or no translation at all?Besides most of english translations doesn't make much sense and often sound just stupid. But I guess entry title is mostly one of the most popular. And I'm in favor of this, with English titles being used as much as possible. |
| No translation at all. If you're going to screw something up than don't do anything. |
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| I'd rather titles stay (or default to) original, untranslated titles. Have regional translations as alternative titles, kinda like AniDB does. Or I guess maybe add an option for people to select default language (EN or JP, since I seriously doubt there are enough tertiary language titles in the db to warrant otherwise). But I most definitely don't want to see English translations as the default display. |
Asako said: I like this idea, a lot.I'd rather titles stay (or default to) original, untranslated titles. Have regional translations as alternative titles, kinda like AniDB does. Or I guess maybe add an option for people to select default language (EN or JP...) I really don't understand the inconsistency of using the "more commonly known title" since that's really a matter of opinion and it's usually the Japanese title these days anyway. The only real problem is the older series but I say screw it, make the default title English or Japanese but make it consistent. Since the Japanese title always exists I say that's the preferred choice. Then again, there's almost no turning back now since the system on MAL is so screwed up anyway. Also, IAUTX (It's all up to Xinil) |
Asako said: I'd rather titles stay (or default to) original, untranslated titles. I can agree to this as well. The main issue I presented was that the titles are a confusing mix of English and Japanese and that they should stick to the same language. Japanese only is also cool. List of entry names for all the Naruto-related animes:
Compare these titles and I think you'll see that it's not really 100% user friendly. |
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| Well first off I agree that most anime names are gonna sound shitty when they're translated. Most people know that Naruto's sequel is Shippuuden however translated would be Naruto Hurricane Chronicles which most people don't know and would be confused seeing. However I also agree that some titles are far to long. So I think the best bet is to make it optional or go by majority's opinion. First idea: 1) You could add a vote system next to each name under the show/manga's banner which would allow fans to vote up on a name they like more. You should only be able to vote once. Then just display the most popular name first. This way show titles like Naruto Shippuuden would most likely stay the same since majority calls it by such in English and in Japanese. Second: 2) Add an option so we can choose between the Japanese title, English title, or both. This solves most problems but also brings up others. For example if you select English then you would most likely be seeing names you're not used to like Naruto Hurricane Chronicles popup which could become confusing. So I'd go with a vote system or find a way of distinguishing popular titles that everyone knows the show by. |
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DeathfireD said: Most people know that Naruto's sequel is Shippuuden however translated would be Naruto Hurricane Chronicles which most people don't know and would be confused seeing. Yeah I know and I was thinking of it, but sadly I forgot to write it into my previous post ;) Its Japanese title is known world wide... I'm in favor of changing all titles to Japanese and in someway also shorten the titles (at least those bugged ones). |
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| I'm signing on for the "let people choose which language their lists display" option, as I think that'd be nice and I've occasionally wished I could swap out some of the English titles for their Romaji counterparts on my list. But truthfully speaking it doesn't seem like any of it would be worth the work. Maybe a little cleanup on certain specific entries like the Naruto special mentioned, but going in and coding the option to choose or even just going back through all the database entries and defaulting them to one language or the other seems far too involved for such a minor, mostly aesthetic issue. |
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| I was looking at the anime list settings in hope to find some way to make not the romanji names of an anime appear but the translated name for the anime appear however it does not exist. For example: Eden of the East is seen as Higashi no Eden. Personally, I would rather have all the titles shown as the translated title in my list. Although I understand that people would rather keep certain anime names in the romanji, I believe it would be a nice feature to allow them to choose which their personal lists would show. |
| I don't know how the DB is structured but wouldn't it require lots of updating/editing from the database mods? For instance, English names and Japanese romaji names are used interchangeably for various anime as its primary title and alternative title. If that's the case, maybe requesting it to the database mod is the possible solution right now. But it could be lots of work trying to keep them all organized - again I don't know how the MAL DB is structured. |
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| Sounds like a plan. I like consistency and having some shows on my list be the english title and others being the romaji titles is somewhat of a bother for me. |
chibuki said: I don't know how the DB is structured but wouldn't it require lots of updating/editing from the database mods? For instance, English names and Japanese romaji names are used interchangeably for various anime as its primary title and alternative title. If that's the case, maybe requesting it to the database mod is the possible solution right now. But it could be lots of work trying to keep them all organized - again I don't know how the MAL DB is structured. That's the problem I think. It doesn't seem there's specific ENNAME and JPNAME or anything in the db. Some stuff just has English title with Japanese alternative titles, and vice versa. Alternative titles also contain other language titles from time to time. It's probably impossible without a restructure and a shitton of work from the db mods who already can't keep up with their workload. |
| I've been wanting something like this for as long as I can remember. |
Asako said: chibuki said: I don't know how the DB is structured but wouldn't it require lots of updating/editing from the database mods? For instance, English names and Japanese romaji names are used interchangeably for various anime as its primary title and alternative title. If that's the case, maybe requesting it to the database mod is the possible solution right now. But it could be lots of work trying to keep them all organized - again I don't know how the MAL DB is structured. That's the problem I think. It doesn't seem there's specific ENNAME and JPNAME or anything in the db. Some stuff just has English title with Japanese alternative titles, and vice versa. Alternative titles also contain other language titles from time to time. It's probably impossible without a restructure and a shitton of work from the db mods who already can't keep up with their workload. ^This unfortunately, but would support otherwise |
| Another issue is English names are inconsistent. Especially with renamings that occur from time to time; eg Karin -> Chibi Vampire. Also Spice and Wolf/Wolf and Spice ordering. Makes it a pain in some cases. I would definitely support the addition of two specific English and Japanese name fields even if it takes a long time to go over the db and populate them properly. It'd be a big improvement to the site. |
Asako said: And not have it be just limited to English and Japanese.Another issue is English names are inconsistent. Especially with renamings that occur from time to time; eg Karin -> Chibi Vampire. Also Spice and Wolf/Wolf and Spice ordering. Makes it a pain in some cases. I would definitely support the addition of two specific English and Japanese name fields even if it takes a long time to go over the db and populate them properly. It'd be a big improvement to the site. Kineta said: llxwarbirdxll said: I'm assuming your problem is that is says Japanese? Nothing we can do about that. People have already suggested to Xinil to change it, but Japanese is the field name at this point.kasumisama said: http://myanimelist.net/manga/8586/The_Breaker/pics Alternative Titles English: The Breaker Japanese: 브레이커 It's actually in Korean. :| |
| I didn't even notice that someone had bumped this a few months ago, but I was thinking about it again earlier, and being able to select from the alternate titles for a series is still an option that I'd love to see. I obviously have no idea how the site's database is structured, but there are obviously alternate titles available for every series in the catalog, and said alternates have included the official English title (or unofficial translation, as the case may be) for every applicable case. If there would be a way to access them and let the user select which should be displayed on the list, it would be great. There are a few titles on my list (primarily the Inuyasha and One Piece movies) that I literally do not recognize at first glance and have to click on to identify, which seems to defeat the whole purpose of having a list in the first place. In a broader sense, I'm not really sure why some of these titles are chosen as the default displays in the first place. This is an English-language website that I would assume is primarily intended for English-speakers, and I feel like it'd be more useful to use the titles that would be most recognizable to said English-speakers. As a personal example, I took some tongue-in-cheek pride in the fact that the only manga I had listed on my manga list was "My Balls"...but for some reason, the listing was just changed to the Japanese title "Oretama," which means nothing to me as a word and kind of kills the comedic effect I had going. Or like dogtato said, the title "Higashi no Eden" doesn't mean anything to me as a phrase, but "Eden of the East" immediately conveys a certain message. I know there are people out there who like the whole "street cred" angle of flinging about multiple Japanese titles, but I'd rather have the easy readability and recognition myself. |
Top_Gun said: I know there are people out there who like the whole "street cred" angle of flinging about multiple Japanese titles, but I'd rather have the easy readability and recognition myself. I don't know about "street cred" but I recognise series by their Japanese titles, and that's how I refer to them because it's how I watch them. I have to do double takes on English release titles sometimes, because it's not actually a translation of the Japanese title (eg Karin -> Chibi Vampire) and I'm fairly sure MAL goes with US titles and naming when available (see debate over Horo vs. Holo). I'd love to see the option to set defaults to English, or Japanese, but I don't think the db is structured for it. Xinil would need to actually make specific JPTITLE and ENTITLE (call them whatever you will) fields separate to other aliases. Which is a trivial change as far as the db goes, however the db mods would then have to go through everything to set titles, which is a lot of tedious work. Certainly worth it in the end (and I'd volunteer to do it because it is verily worth it) but given huge backlogs that already exist on the db queues, I don't think any existing db mods would want to do it. |
Asako said: Having a backlog shouldn't discourage improvement; I'm all up for it. It'd take a while but we'd get there.Certainly worth it in the end (and I'd volunteer to do it because it is verily worth it) but given huge backlogs that already exist on the db queues, I don't think any existing db mods would want to do it. |
kuroshiroi said: It'd take a while but we'd get there. That's what I figure. Just do it like 50-100 entries a day (by simply starting at 1: http://myanimelist.net/anime/1/ and going up). I'd be happy to chew away at a chunk a day. It'd get done in a few weeks. Especially if others were also doing it. Be very well worth it in the long run. |
Asako said: Top_Gun said: I know there are people out there who like the whole "street cred" angle of flinging about multiple Japanese titles, but I'd rather have the easy readability and recognition myself. I don't know about "street cred" but I recognise series by their Japanese titles, and that's how I refer to them because it's how I watch them. I have to do double takes on English release titles sometimes, because it's not actually a translation of the Japanese title (eg Karin -> Chibi Vampire) and I'm fairly sure MAL goes with US titles and naming when available (see debate over Horo vs. Holo). I would be happy if this were the case, but it actually seems as though the opposite is true. As I mentioned above, one of the easiest examples are the four Inuyasha movies: though all four were licensed in the US and feature officially-translated titles, their MAL listings are in raw Japanese, e.g. "InuYasha: Tenka Hadou no Ken." As a result, just looking at my list, I literally can't tell which is which, even though I've seen all four. Heck, I'd even settle for "Inuyasha Movie 3," just so I could tell which one was being talked about. I do agree that shows that don't have a direct translation in English, like something along the lines of "Dennou Coil," should be left in the original Japanese, but for shows that have been released in English, or have an officially-sanctioned English title, or even have a completely-obvious translation (like "Michiko to Hatchin" to "Michiko and Hatchin"), I feel like most people would benefit from going with those titles by default. The obvious exception might be shows like "Karin," where the English title isn't really a translation of the original. (And by "street cred," I was mainly referring to those certain individuals that seem to take personal pride in titling everything in Japanese despite the English title being far more widespread, even when said Japanese title is nothing more than a romanji version of actual English words. I didn't mean people like yourself who legitimately know some shows by the original titles they watched them under.) Getting back to the original request, if it is something that would take an inordinate amount of database rewriting, or if it would be flat-out impossible under the current database structure, then I could just grin and bear the current setup. But if there is a chance that it could be done, even a long time down the line, I'd be a very grateful user. If it is something that could be done in people's free time, then definitely, take as much time as is needed. |
Top_Gun said: The official policy is to use the title that's more widespread or known. Hence, we go by Spice and Wolf and not Ookami to Koushinryou and we have The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya even though the Japanese is Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu.Asako said: ... I'm fairly sure MAL goes with US titles and naming when available (see debate over Horo vs. Holo). I would be happy if this were the case, but it actually seems as though the opposite is true. As I mentioned above, one of the easiest examples are the four Inuyasha movies: though all four were licensed in the US and feature officially-translated titles, their MAL listings are in raw Japanese, e.g. "InuYasha: Tenka Hadou no Ken." As a result, just looking at my list, I literally can't tell which is which, even though I've seen all four. Heck, I'd even settle for "Inuyasha Movie 3," just so I could tell which one was being talked about. We can't know everything though, which I suspect is the reason those InuYasha movies have Japanese main titles. Like I said, being able to choose which titles to use would be a major improvement and being the fag that I am, I'd choose Japanese over English. Anyway, this has been suggested many times before: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=83861 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=56387 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=41806 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=18440 One of these days, Xinil is bound to implement it. |
| Heh, it looks like those threads were made some time after I originally made this one, though it's certainly been buried for a long time. It's good to know that other people are interested in this sort of addition, though. Somewhat off-topic, something I noted in each of those threads (and in a few other suggestion threads) was the tendency for people--not Xinil himself, but a few mods and regular users--to respond to certain suggestions with something like, "That's a bad idea, since it'd take a lot of work to implement." I know that there are certain ideas that will never be implemented based on the massive amount of time and effort that they would require, but shouldn't a good idea be acknowledged as a good idea regardless of whether or not it'll actually happen? I think saying something like, "That would be a really cool thing to have, but unfortunately, it would take way too much work to implement, so we probably can't do it," would be better encouragement for people to keep posting new suggestions in the future. |
kuroshiroi said: One of these days, Xinil is bound to implement it. Hopefully. I'm not sure how MAL is really configured in the back end, but it -should- be a trivial change to add a couple specific DB fields and a few functions to display them and reference them, then it's just a matter of legwork to actually fill them all in. I assume it's the legwork required that has prevented Xinil from bothering so far; so if you get some more DB mods together willing to actually do it (or volunteers like myself willing to be a temporary DB mod just to make this happen) maybe he'll be more likely to implement the probably trivial change. He could even configure it that no JP or EN title displays if the fields are empty, so there's zero visible change until the updates are done by the mods, and also allows for titles that ARE in English to just be filled in once, and it will default to that since the JP field is empty, and vice versa for titles that have no real EN translation. Or just double up on them and waste more DB space, but I'm not a fan of such redundancy. But it would probably make things a tad easier. >.> |
| Well, the back end has an English field at the moment but not a romanization field. See here, http://myanimelist.net/panel.php?go=anime_series&do=add We could simply use the main field for the Japanese title and the existing English one for the English title. More ideally, we'd want a completely separate romanization field so we could still default to a more common one for the people that would prefer that. So we'd have 3 different options, Japanese, English or the most commonly known one. Like you said, the only thing's that required would be for Xinil to code this. He should be able to code this in a jiffy. |
| This is really similar to several suggestions that have been made in the past; essentially, people want to be able to have english titles display on their list so that they know what they are looking at. I'm going to merge all of these topics together, because they are all similar and essentially the same suggestion. *edit* Done; also, Xinil said this back in 2007: Xinil said: This has been suggested before I believe. It's planned for the future. |
| I'm just going to add a note here about how the db currently lists the titles. When adding manga to the DB (not quite sure how Anime is listed...I am assuming the same) there are several entries. We have the Default title, we have the Alt Titles, the Japanese Title (which is the kanji), and the English title. I'm assuming this 'adjustment' would take the English Title into account. Which would mean, ultimately, is that the Default title would always be the original language, and the English Title would be the equivalent. I am also going to assume this change would mean all or none. Meaning either all the names on your list would show English, or all the titles would show original language. Though, that is just an assumption. Not sure which would be easier to code. |
Xinil said: What could 'maybe' be implemented, is something like: If said anime has an English title filled in, and you've chosen in your profile/list settings to 'show English titles when available', use the English title as the default anime title. What that work? This could be turned on for your list, and for browsing around the site (list would probably be implemented first though). This would be really great. Hoping this isn't too off-topic, a related idea: I would love it if we could also choose which image is displayed for each entry, or perhaps have a voting system (a la the band photo system on last.fm) to allow users to vote on which images the approve or disapprove of, with the most popular one being the displayed pic. Being able to simply choose for oneself would be ideal, though. |
alidan said: if you are talking about putting that into the anime or manga list, im assumeing that is WAY to bandwith intensive, it would be like goring from 50-100kb to over 10mb for every list load. That is not at all what I was suggesting. I was only talking about choosing which image is displayed, if only for your favorites. Or selecting which one is displayed for each user, by the user, on favorites or when viewing the title's page. Not asking for images to be displayed for every title on the anime or manga lists. |
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