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Jan 28, 2014 11:49 AM
#151
chipathy said: Fai said: insan3Spectre said: Fai said: Tengai said: Alright, I should probably watch the other Fate series first before I watch this. Both the deen ones and the upcoming ufotable one are shit. GO for visual novel instead. I envy your ability to tell whether something is bad before a single episode is released. I admit to initially being a bit disappointed at this news, but damn man at least give it a shot. All we know is vague info, and even if it does have some differences, it could still be a quality series. Its an anime original bullshit. it WILL Suck. HaXXspetten said: Fai said: those aren't VN adaptations thoughNucksen said: i love, how ridiculously rabid some Visual Novel Fanboys tend to be. Nothing will ever please them and they always expect AT LEAST everything from the VN with no changes at all. Newsflash: that would be a very crappy anime. Because Fate/Zero and Kara no Kyoukai were crappy?~ And there's barely any difference in this case because FSN doe snot exaclty have true "routes". chipathy said: insan3Spectre said: Fai said: Tengai said: Alright, I should probably watch the other Fate series first before I watch this. Both the deen ones and the upcoming ufotable one are shit. GO for visual novel instead. I envy your ability to tell whether something is bad before a single episode is released. I admit to initially being a bit disappointed at this news, but damn man at least give it a shot. All we know is vague info, and even if it does have some differences, it could still be a quality series. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this right here. i wont deny i was disappointed at first but for fucks sake. its still ufotable, type moon, and stay night. just think of it as a 4th route. ufotable hasnt disappointed yet/ Ufotable so far rides off PROPERLY adapting Type Moon works (KNK) or "decently" adapting type moon works (F/0). The common factor? Sticking to the damn source material. This will have nice animation, color gradients and fights, but will be atrainwreck if the news are accurate. ufotable has other original works outside of type moon that are good SO GOOOD, that before KNK no one even heard of ufotable and a lot of people were worried about KNK adaptation. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:50 AM
#152
chipathy said: fai stop acting childish its pathetic |
Jan 28, 2014 11:51 AM
#153
SO GOOOD, that before KNK no one even heard of ufotable and a lot of people were worried about KNK adaptation. maybe people should stop being so worried because we know how good knk came out. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:52 AM
#154
Forgetfulness said: Somehow this turned from Unlimited Hype Works to Unlimited Rage Works Did you honestly expect anything else? Its as bad as if J.C.Staff would decide to adapt Tsukihime.. chipathy said: SO GOOOD, that before KNK no one even heard of ufotable and a lot of people were worried about KNK adaptation. maybe people should stop being so worried because we know how good knk came out. KNK came out good because it stuck to the damn source material damn closely for the m ost, not getting any BRILLIANT ideas to do anime original bullshit. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:52 AM
#155
What is with people saying this is a disappointment for a upcoming series? |
Jan 28, 2014 11:53 AM
#156
Progeusz said: Stop trying to discredit us by spouting groundless lies. I never talked about you. I used FanboyS because i know, there are a lot of guys like Fai(just look up the thread for more or less any VN adaption ever. The amount of bitching is incredible), but if the shoe fits you, you can wear it of course. Just to clarify: I'm not very happy with this news either, because it indicates a direction that seems wrong to me(changing outfits), but bitching about an anime you've never seen, just because it's not 100% like the source material is just bs |
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Jan 28, 2014 11:53 AM
#157
DarknessOfEmo said: What is with this mess people saying this is a disappointment for a upcoming series? Because its yet another non-canon filler series |
Jan 28, 2014 11:54 AM
#158
ona said: Hurray! and tsubasalover said: It will be a new story outside of the original work, so people can stop arguing now about what route will be adapted now, I guess. It is now the harem route... with Goldie and Kirei in the herd. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:54 AM
#159
Fai said: Forgetfulness said: Somehow this turned from Unlimited Hype Works to Unlimited Rage Works Did you honestly expect anything else? Its as bad as if J.C.Staff would decide to adapt Tsukihime.. chipathy said: SO GOOOD, that before KNK no one even heard of ufotable and a lot of people were worried about KNK adaptation. maybe people should stop being so worried because we know how good knk came out. KNK came out good because it stuck to the damn source material damn closely for the m ost, not getting any BRILLIANT ideas to do anime original bullshit. we still literally know nothing about the story so whos to say its going to be good or bad? if you declare either as fact you're retarded |
Jan 28, 2014 11:57 AM
#160
Are people really raging at the character designs? This is almost as bad as raging over Sonic's green eyes in Sonic 4. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:58 AM
#161
Anyway, going by twitter there's no confirmation on it being anime-original route. It does not tell the route Nasu simply participates in writing sessions, dropping background info about events being talked about. So yet again: we either get a new route or a proper adaptation but with some new scenes to connect to f/0. Yet again we still know nothing. MC-sama said: Are people really raging at the character designs? This is almost as bad as raging over Sonic's green eyes in Sonic 4. FSN character designs are as important as story herself. They reflect personality and past. |
Jan 28, 2014 11:59 AM
#162
Fai said: insan3Spectre said: Fai said: Tengai said: Alright, I should probably watch the other Fate series first before I watch this. Both the deen ones and the upcoming ufotable one are shit. GO for visual novel instead. I envy your ability to tell whether something is bad before a single episode is released. I admit to initially being a bit disappointed at this news, but damn man at least give it a shot. All we know is vague info, and even if it does have some differences, it could still be a quality series. Its an anime original bullshit. it WILL Suck. With that kind of attitude this series doesn't stand a chance of proving you otherwise. It could end up being one of the best anime around and it seems like you wouldn't like it. I think I'll try to give it a fair shot, though. I am not as confdent as you that this is doomed from the start. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:03 PM
#163
i'm just glad there's another fate series i don't care what it will be about just as long as i enjoy it :P. to be honest i haven't even played the visual novel ...yet :D |
Jan 28, 2014 12:04 PM
#164
For what I can especulate, this anime will try to tie all the loose ends with F/Z, So: 1) Dark Sakura and Angra Mainyu will be the plot device. 2) Shirou going all cynical hero with Archer trying to stop him from becoming a cynical hero. 3) Kotomine final antagonist 4) Sakura may die 5) Illya may die in a really tragic way,(Not the VN way) 6) Rider wouldn't be a central character 7) Gilgamesh will toy with all the Angra Mainyu thing and won't kick the buck until at least half way the story (probably fighting something like Avalon Saber or Dark Saber. 8) Lancer's outfit will be Fate/ccc's one 9) No Kojiro Extra, If they go all Bad Ending feel: 10) Shiryu will kill Saber and/or Sakura. 11) The Hero Who Nobody Knows Route. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:05 PM
#165
People need to understand that the reason Stay/Night isn't that good is because the source material isn't that good. Fate/Zero is good because of Gen Urobuchi, so I hope this is more of a sequel to Fate/Zero than it is a remake of Stay/Night. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:07 PM
#166
Nucksen said: Oh, okay then. I didn't notice many in this thread. I admit I might have been too hasty with calling it a trainwreck but the info about new content got me really worried for several reasons:I never talked about you. I used FanboyS because i know, there are a lot of guys like Fai(just look up the thread for more or less any VN adaption ever. The amount of bitching is incredible), but if the shoe fits you, you can wear it of course. Just to clarify: I'm not very happy with this news either, because it indicates a direction that seems wrong to me(changing outfits), but bitching about an anime you've never seen, just because it's not 100% like the source material is just bs 1) It's almost certain they won't do Illya route 2) It suggests there will be just one anime, not the separate adaptations of three routes, probably mix with fillers to connect the parts from different routes 3) Saber is by far the most popular character (and Takeuchi's waifu) so it's likely there will be more Fate than UBW or HF in this new anime 4) It reminds me of how DEEN did the adaptation Fate/Zero, or to be exact its second cour, proved ufotable isn't as great as people make it out to be. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:07 PM
#167
Fai said: MCAL said: Fai said: Except Kinoko Nasu is writing the whole thing (If the leak is to be believed of course). So why are you blaming the director again?Why does anime industry get filled up by megalomaniac auteur directors who believe they can "improve the original work" Because its his idea and he got nasu to write this. I don't care that Nasu writes this(He does not, HE FUCKING SUPERVISES). God himself can write this. THIS IS NOT FSN. NAME IT SOMETHING ELSE. FSN is a multi-route story anyway, in which no single route is canon, so saying this about FSN, of all things is silly. The premise, the characters, and the thematic elements centering around Shirou's ideals are what make FSN FSN, regardless of whether the plot line it follows is from UBW, Fate, one of the dozens of equally canonical Bad Ends, or from something else entirely. I was looking forward to HF, largely due to the presence of Kotomine and Ilya, but since Nasu's writing this as a sequel to Zero, I'm going to end up with tons of Ilya, anyway, probably more than I would have gotten from an adaptation of HF. Ditto with Kotomine, and since this is being written after Fate/Zero, Nasu now has a chance to clear up much of the weirdness that comes from Zero coming after FSN. ex. No mention of Kariya, Saber doesn't seem to remember Ilya |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:13 PM
#168
Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:13 PM
#169
I'm ok with this. Unlike most people, i've never played the VN, so i'm not biased towards one route or another. As long as the story is awesome, I don't care how much they screw with the original material. As long as it's awesome, who cares? If it's a darker, more mature anime like F/S, then that would be great. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:16 PM
#170
Chinensis said: Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. This is exactly what I am hoping. The yaraon blog is vague enough for the travesty of anime original route to be an misunderstanding. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:17 PM
#171
"It will be a new story outside of the original work" er...what ? =/ |
Jan 28, 2014 12:19 PM
#172
Jan 28, 2014 12:20 PM
#173
ssjokg said: HaXXspetten said: Interesting yes,satisfying no.ssjokg said: That would actually be interesting if you phrase it like that :3Bakura said: A Fate Stay/Night whiteout Shirou is not possible? :( Not possible. Unless if you want an actual tragic "world's end" ending, with all characters not named Gilgamesh and Kirei suffering throughout the story. silversaint said: i hope this time we get some good action unlike Zero which even though it had some well animated fights none of them was particularly amazing Implying that Fate/'s selling point is the fights. And there is Kirei vs Kiritsugu,Berserker vs Gil,Kiritusgu vs Kayneth..... It may be not, but you have to admit is pretty damn awesome at that. Is it a Ilya route or... Shirou becoming Archer? People say that Archer is the Shirou of Ilya route, but nothing is really explicit mentioned. Maybe she takes a major role, but who knows... |
Jan 28, 2014 12:23 PM
#174
Fai said: FSN character designs are as important as story herself. They reflect personality and past. While with Caster, The Monk/Priste/What-have-you, Sakura and Gilgamesh that's true. I don't see how Lancer's Blue Spandex reflect his character better than, say, his Fate/ccc version. Kotomine got the colors right, but he doesn't look like a Neutral Priest-Supervisor-Cospirationist as much as he looks suspicious. Rin doesn't look like an old-fashioned arystocrat wizard too much to me. Rider leather outfit is altmost a non-sense. Herc should've had his Nemean Lion fur. Casual Saber doesn't really have a purpose, she should wear man (like in Zero) clothes according to her background. Shirou's clothes doesn't say a thing about him. Kojiro: WHY PURPLE SAMURAI!!! So no. What you say is an overstatement. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:28 PM
#175
OnionSoda said: Fai said: FSN character designs are as important as story herself. They reflect personality and past. While with Caster, The Monk/Priste/What-have-you, Sakura and Gilgamesh that's true. I don't see how Lancer's Blue Spandex reflect his character better than, say, his Fate/ccc version. Kotomine got the colors right, but he doesn't look like a Neutral Priest-Supervisor-Cospirationist as much as he looks suspicious. Rin doesn't look like an old-fashioned arystocrat wizard too much to me. Rider leather outfit is altmost a non-sense. Herc should've had his Nemean Lion fur. Casual Saber doesn't really have a purpose, she should wear man (like in Zero) clothes according to her background. Shirou's clothes doesn't say a thing about him. Kojiro: WHY PURPLE SAMURAI!!! So no. What you say is an overstatement. Lancer outfit is a reference to the warriors of that time. It was rumored that the Celtic warriors painted completely in blue before going to fight... if they were nude while doing this I don't really know. But if it is true, then they decided to put a spandex than nude lancer. Imagine someone jumping all over the place with his dick bouncing. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:28 PM
#176
Fai said: Chinensis said: Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. This is exactly what I am hoping. The yaraon blog is vague enough for the travesty of anime original route to be an misunderstanding. I'd rather have an anime original route than an adaptation of UBW or Fate, and if Nasu can write a dark, Fate Zero toned fantasy on the quality level of Tsukihime, HF, or Kara no Kyoukai, then I'd much rather have that than an adaptation of HF, as well. I've already read HF; I'd enjoy seeing it animated, but I'd much rather see Type-Moon put out some genuinely new content, instead of seeing Nasu go back to something he wrote in 2003. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:30 PM
#177
LunarMoon said: Fai said: Chinensis said: Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. This is exactly what I am hoping. The yaraon blog is vague enough for the travesty of anime original route to be an misunderstanding. I'd rather have an anime original route than an adaptation of UBW or Fate, and if Nasu can write a dark, Fate Zero toned fantasy on the quality level of Tsukihime, HF, or Kara no Kyoukai, then I'd much rather have that than an adaptation of HF, as well. I've already read HF; I'd enjoy seeing it animated, but I'd much rather see Type-Moon put out some genuinely new content, instead of seeing Nasu go back to something he wrote in 2003. People actually want HF animated more because of the few fight scenes than the story itself by what I know of. I mean, Sparks Liner High, Nine Lives Bullet Revolver and things like that. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:38 PM
#178
BeyondDestiny said: ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Actually Fate route has the highest chance before the Realta Nua's Ending. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:38 PM
#179
RyanSaotome said: It will be a new story outside of the original work So its filler then. God Damnit. Isn't it written by the same guy? Either way they said it would keep the feel of Fate/Zero which to me sounds fantastic. In any case I'm sure it's going to be much better than that 2006 version which I thought was hilariously bad. I'm looking forward to it, I loved Fate/Zero definitely will want to watch this. I'm actually glad it's a new story that way I'll be completely blind to the events. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:38 PM
#180
012yArthur0 said: Lancer outfit is a reference to the warriors of that time. It was rumored that the Celtic warriors painted completely in blue before going to fight... if they were nude while doing this I don't really know. But if it is true, then they decided to put a spandex than nude lancer. Imagine someone jumping all over the place with his dick bouncing. I know the whole Rune-magic thing, but with the VN oufit I first thought I was watching a SuperSentai Villain. Let alone the fact it barely had any runes to it. 012yArthur0 said: Sparks Liner High. I'm pretty confident it will end up happening, but with the mind-destroyed-thing being some sort of intermission between round 1 and 2. Why I say this? I don't really know. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:41 PM
#181
tsubasalover said: [...] and some of the characters' outfits will also be modernized from their original designs. So they will probably look like garbage -_- |
Jan 28, 2014 12:43 PM
#182
Darth_Caedus said: A similar tone to Fate/Zero?! That kills all hype. They are just trying to appease to casual Fate/Zero only fans. Now we get another cynical and overly serious Fate story. If Nasu writing it maybe it will be more idealistic like Stay Night, hopefully. Fate/Stay Night is vastly superior to Zero from the characters to the story to the perfectly balance tone and atmosphere, yet they give us some stupid Zero-ish thing. I wanted them to make a proper anime adaptation of the routes so the casual Zero anime only fans could see the real Fate in all it's glory :( Just because FSN had too many kitchen scenes it doesnt mean it wasnt cynical or serious. Progeusz said: ssjokg said: You mean the atrocious QUALITY in Batman world with shitty soundtrack? That was one of worse fights in F/Z. Ugly and wasted potential.Implying that Fate/'s selling point is the fights. And there is Kirei vs Kiritsugu, Berserker vs Gil,Kiritusgu vs Kayneth..... Well, not exactly shitty music, but compared to any random Emiya remix this fight was basically screaming for, the track used indeed sucked. I am calling it good for what it was not what it could have been.I too wanted Emiya Time Alter and a room full of fire and even the goddamn bullet punch.It would be great if it was more like the Sound Drama.But what I got was still good. ovoon7 said: Fate/Zero is vastly superior to the original Fate Stay/Night in every way. The problem lies not just with the bad Deen adaptation, but a very overrated and dated visual novel. It's still a "good" visual novel, but it doesn't live up to the legendary precedent that Zero has begun. Rage on friends, I'm loving this news. Yeah...no... Nucksen said: i love, how ridiculously rabid some Visual Novel Fanboys tend to be. Nothing will ever please them and they always expect AT LEAST everything from the VN with no changes at all. Newsflash: that would be a very crappy anime. There's no problem with it being a new story, as long as it still keeps the FSN feeling and atmosphere. It could easily be superior to anything one could make out of a direct adaption( the failure of the first FSN anime wasn't just because of DEEN. TM Visual Novels are very bound to their medium. You just can't adapt that easily in any other medium, e.g. anime. Everyone would've failed). You mean the one with the CAPS LOCK MODE? SomeonesReviews said: People need to understand that the reason Stay/Night isn't that good is because the source material isn't that good. Fate/Zero is good because of Gen Urobuchi, so I hope this is more of a sequel to Fate/Zero than it is a remake of Stay/Night. Yeah.That is why only 4 chars and some fights were the only actual thing that Gen wrote by himself...Everything else wasnt already made by Nasu..... Chinensis said: Even the anime had connections to FZ....even without counting the original fillers...Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. BeyondDestiny said: What does that have to do with what I am saying?ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Archer DID win the war when he was a teen and he didnt by turning Kiritusgu like in Superhero. What I am saying is that even if Shirou wins and some of his loved ones die it could still be a good/normal end. None of the ends in FSN are actual happy ones anyway. All routes in FSN have equal chances of THAT happening. 012yArthur0 said: BeyondDestiny said: ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Actually Fate route has the highest chance before the Realta Nua's Ending. It makes no sense.How would Archer escape from his contract? Yes I dont accept the RN ending as real. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:45 PM
#183
012yArthur0 said: BeyondDestiny said: ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Actually Fate route has the highest chance before the Realta Nua's Ending. Wrong Fate Shirou has dedication to never regret. Nasu said himself that Illya-route idea would have been closest to Archer because Shirou loses everyone. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:45 PM
#184
Uriel_The_Fourth said: No, it's only supervised by the guy who wrote F/SN. Yeah, it does sound good. Hopefully that means the anime will be closer to HF than UBW or Fate.Isn't it written by the same guy? Either way they said it would keep the feel of Fate/Zero which to me sounds fantastic. In any case I'm sure it's going to be much better than that 2006 version which I thought was hilariously bad. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:45 PM
#185
ssjokg said: Darth_Caedus said: A similar tone to Fate/Zero?! That kills all hype. They are just trying to appease to casual Fate/Zero only fans. Now we get another cynical and overly serious Fate story. If Nasu writing it maybe it will be more idealistic like Stay Night, hopefully. Fate/Stay Night is vastly superior to Zero from the characters to the story to the perfectly balance tone and atmosphere, yet they give us some stupid Zero-ish thing. I wanted them to make a proper anime adaptation of the routes so the casual Zero anime only fans could see the real Fate in all it's glory :( Just because FSN had too many kitchen scenes it doesnt mean it wasnt cynical or serious. Progeusz said: ssjokg said: You mean the atrocious QUALITY in Batman world with shitty soundtrack? That was one of worse fights in F/Z. Ugly and wasted potential.Implying that Fate/'s selling point is the fights. And there is Kirei vs Kiritsugu, Berserker vs Gil,Kiritusgu vs Kayneth..... Well, not exactly shitty music, but compared to any random Emiya remix this fight was basically screaming for, the track used indeed sucked. I am calling it good for what it was not what it could have been.I too wanted Emiya Time Alter and a room full of fire and even the goddamn bullet punch.It would be great if it was more like the Sound Drama.But what I got was still good. ovoon7 said: Fate/Zero is vastly superior to the original Fate Stay/Night in every way. The problem lies not just with the bad Deen adaptation, but a very overrated and dated visual novel. It's still a "good" visual novel, but it doesn't live up to the legendary precedent that Zero has begun. Rage on friends, I'm loving this news. Yeah...no... Nucksen said: i love, how ridiculously rabid some Visual Novel Fanboys tend to be. Nothing will ever please them and they always expect AT LEAST everything from the VN with no changes at all. Newsflash: that would be a very crappy anime. There's no problem with it being a new story, as long as it still keeps the FSN feeling and atmosphere. It could easily be superior to anything one could make out of a direct adaption( the failure of the first FSN anime wasn't just because of DEEN. TM Visual Novels are very bound to their medium. You just can't adapt that easily in any other medium, e.g. anime. Everyone would've failed). You mean the one that with the CAPS LOCK MODE? SomeonesReviews said: People need to understand that the reason Stay/Night isn't that good is because the source material isn't that good. Fate/Zero is good because of Gen Urobuchi, so I hope this is more of a sequel to Fate/Zero than it is a remake of Stay/Night. Yeah.That is why only 4 chars and some fights were the only actual thing that Gen wrote by himself...Everything else wasnt already made by Nasu..... Chinensis said: Even the anime had connections to FZ....even without counting the original fillers...Why that director? KnK sixth movie was the most inferior. And by new story, I hope they mean to add ties to F/Z that were nonexistent in F/SN not some entirely new route. BeyondDestiny said: What does that have to do with what I am saying?ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Archer DID win the war when he was a teen and he didnt by turning Kiritusgu like in Superhero. What I am saying is that even if Shirou wins but some of his loved ones die it could still be a good/normal end. None of the ends in FSN are actual happy ones anyway. 012yArthur0 said: BeyondDestiny said: ssjokg said: Forgetfulness said: hyperknees91 said: Uh, wouldn't that be a bad end though?Anyone thinking they might show how shirou turns into archer Shirou did win the war although he lost many things. In HF's normal end he even died and it wasnt a bad end... Superhero Ending has never implied that Shirou becomes Archer. Shirou takes on Kiritsugu's mentality and its simply implied that he wins the war by brutally crushing his foes. Archer and Kiritsugu have different ideals - One who realizes the flaws of trying to save everyone is not possible while the other one that already knows of this and tries to maximize the number of lives saved. An Archer route has never been made. UBW's ending (besides Shirou's mindset to continue pursuing his ideals because they were beautiful and right for him to do so) is the closest to him becoming Archer in the future. Actually Fate route has the highest chance before the Realta Nua's Ending. It makes no sense.How would Archer escape from his contract? Yes I dont accept the RN ending as real. Nasu declared it canon. However, since it is a multi-layered world canon, so it means that both ideas of ending of Fate are canon. So chances are that Shirou did created his contract on Fate |
Jan 28, 2014 12:45 PM
#186
Fai said: As I said in the thread in the entry - Prepare for trainwreck of shittiest proportions. Why does anime industry get filled up by megalomaniac auteur directors who believe they can "improve the original work" It seems Ufotable did not learn ANYTHING from DEEN's mistakes and if they do this, I don't want those fuckers ANYWHERE NEAR TSUKIHIME ADAPTATION EVER. I REFUSE to believe this till actual magazine comes out. This is suicide to ufotable's credibility. RyanSaotome said: So its filler then. God Damnit. Yep. Some idiotic abomination thought htis was A GREAT IDEA " PREVIOUS ADAPTATION WAS SHIT BECAUSE OF ANIME ORIGINAL BULLSHIT? LET'S MAKE A REMAEKE OF ONLY ANIME ORIGINAL BULLSHIT!~" I won't drop it but I will sure as hell make fun of the bullshit trainwreck that is bound to happen. If this anime turn outs to be superior to F/Z, somebody please, immortalize this rant!! |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:51 PM
#187
ssjokg said: SomeonesReviews said: People need to understand that the reason Stay/Night isn't that good is because the source material isn't that good. Fate/Zero is good because of Gen Urobuchi, so I hope this is more of a sequel to Fate/Zero than it is a remake of Stay/Night. Yeah.That is why only 4 chars and some fights were the only actual thing that Gen wrote by himself...Everything else wasnt already made by Nasu...... Source? Fate/Zero is better than Fate/Stay Night in every single way, so I'm very happy they've decided to make a sequel to it rather than just remaking Stay/Night with prettier animation. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:51 PM
#188
Lucumo said: tsubasalover said: [...] and some of the characters' outfits will also be modernized from their original designs. So they will probably look like garbage -_- I don't really get why some people are afraid of this. Is it for the fanservice menace? May I remember that F/Z had 0 fanservice (unless you count Gil's nude, whicht did make sense. So, to me, is not fanservice) |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:53 PM
#189
Progeusz said: hyperknees91 said: Aniamtion isn't everything. Fights in VN can last more than whole episode but it doesn't stop them from being as exciting, if not more, as best scenes in F/Z anime.They weren't really epic in terms of fights. I mean the strategy and thought processes were cool, but other than that a book can't hold a candle to actual animation in portraying the movements of a fight. For a physical fight...it's kinda important though. I don't think people like FSN fights for what went on physically during the fights. Just what the emotions the characters have. That's a little different. I mean for example in HxH 2011 vs HxH 99. The "fight" part is handled much better in 2011. But the actual emotional bit is handled much better in 99. I think that's more what you guys are leaning towards. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:56 PM
#190
I'm unsettled by this news, but I'd be stupid to call it outright bad when so little is known about it and it's being written by Nasu himself. But if it's suppose to be like Fate/Zero, there is one ray of hope I'm holding up: Waver might come back, since he wasn't even in the F/SN VN, this is his chance to be a main again. Hell, he might even be a Master |
Jan 28, 2014 12:56 PM
#191
Zzzz... somewhat disappointed that its not following the visual novels. But since it says its important to the storyline. I wonder how this will go. I expect big things from Ufotable. |
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Jan 28, 2014 12:57 PM
#192
012yArthur0 said: Nasu declared it canon. However, since it is a multi-layered world canon, so it means that both ideas of ending of Fate are canon. So chances are that Shirou did created his contract on Fate That doesnt stop it from been just a dream for any of the two. Even if somehow Shirou did a 180 degree turn and started to regret that he lost her, he still would have to NOT be Archer That he cant escape that fate was one of the points of UBW. |
Jan 28, 2014 12:57 PM
#193
BeyondDestiny said: OnionSoda said: Lucumo said: tsubasalover said: [...] and some of the characters' outfits will also be modernized from their original designs. So they will probably look like garbage -_- I don't really get why some people are afraid of this. Is it for the fanservice menace? May I remember that F/Z had 0 fanservice (unless you count Gil's nude, whicht did make sense. So, to me, is not fanservice) People are forgetting that F/SN was first introduced as an visual novel intended for adults while F/Z originated as an LN written by Urobuchi. Bath-scenes be canon bro. That's true, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't update their character designs. Fate/Stay Night's character designs aren't that good anyway, so I'm happy they're bringing them up to modern day standards. |
Jan 28, 2014 1:03 PM
#194
So is this canon? |
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Jan 28, 2014 1:03 PM
#195
SomeonesReviews said: BeyondDestiny said: OnionSoda said: Lucumo said: tsubasalover said: [...] and some of the characters' outfits will also be modernized from their original designs. So they will probably look like garbage -_- I don't really get why some people are afraid of this. Is it for the fanservice menace? May I remember that F/Z had 0 fanservice (unless you count Gil's nude, whicht did make sense. So, to me, is not fanservice) People are forgetting that F/SN was first introduced as an visual novel intended for adults while F/Z originated as an LN written by Urobuchi. Bath-scenes be canon bro. That's true, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't update their character designs. Fate/Stay Night's character designs aren't that good anyway, so I'm happy they're bringing them up to modern day standards. Do explain those modern day standards. Not that I have a problem with new designs but I am reading bs here since even in FZ we didnt have any "modern designs". |
Jan 28, 2014 1:05 PM
#196
Raven-kun said: So is this canon? No. |
Jan 28, 2014 1:11 PM
#197
Just stop it Fai. 1.You have no idea how it will turn out even if it is a new route. 2.Everyone else except you is hyped EVEN NOW,even thought a little disappointed. 3.You yourself said that we dont actually know anything new so acting like this makes you look stupid. |
Jan 28, 2014 1:13 PM
#198
Jan 28, 2014 1:13 PM
#199
Raven-kun said: So is this canon? Technically, all is canon. Even the works yet to be created, even the FanFics as long as they condradict the inherent logic of the Nasuversu. That's what happens with adding the multiple timelines+parallel worlds thing to your work. |
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Jan 28, 2014 1:18 PM
#200
OnionSoda said: Raven-kun said: So is this canon? Technically, all is canon. Even the works yet to be created, even the FanFics as long as they condradict the inherent logic of the Nasuversu. That's what happens with adding the multiple timelines+parallel worlds thing to your work. No that's just retarded. Is it made or recognized byType Moon and has actual connection with what is called NAsuverve?If yes then yeah it is canon. |
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