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12-12-09, 8:32 AM

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I just had a 309 Chapter Marathon with this Series and this is the first time I am reading it. Frankly I haven't seen the story degrading at any point in time.

( I have no clue why I stalled this Epic series for such a long time )

The main problem is There are some really good Scenes in the Story that overshadow the rest. This makes it shadowed part look bland.
I mean if Gatts/Guts were to keep on hacking and slashing it would have really got boring as you get to see it every now and then. The fact that Gatts is a human being is respected a lot and hence we get some good chapters having to see Gatts out of action
 
01-12-10, 3:27 AM

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I believe most of us have a life outside of just reading manga so stopping every month or so to continue reading doesn't really seem like much of a bother.
 
01-15-10, 6:14 PM

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Kuroe_Kurose said:
I believe most of us have a life outside of just reading manga so stopping every month or so to continue reading doesn't really seem like much of a bother.
Make that half a year instead of a month.
 
01-18-10, 7:34 PM

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Yup. Most of us do have a life outside of waiting half a year for new chapters. Many of us even read other manga. But still, Berserk was my absolute fave up until the goal was in sight, but now...

Now waiting is a hassle, and the whole thing just drags and drags on. Guts is moving further away from his revenge and there is less and less gore to boot. It's pretty disappointing. I was expecting something amazingly gory and cruel done to Griffith as revenge. I have been waiting for that for years!

Truth be told, I don't wanna end up still waiting for new releases as a granny, so I'm looking for some other interesting, decently gory manga, and will forget about Berserk. Patience is a virtue and all, but that's as long as I'm willing to wait. Berserk was brilliant until it got made into a never ending story.

If it ever ends, someone poke me and I'll read the last chapter. And if Griffith doesn't end up being crucified or killed in any befitting way, I'll be very, very disappointed.
 
01-19-10, 9:37 AM

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well I'm almost same opinion as Beatnik told before,but I dun think it doesn't entertain anymore,berserk isn't an epic failure lol:D Especially I loved Kushans,it made manga more livelier,but it'd be more wiser not to prolong story anymore
 
06-24-10, 7:33 PM

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The point? The thing I've been waiting for most is to see Caska brought back to normal and for the God Hand to be destroyed. It looks like it'll be a long ass time before that happens though. I don't know how long it's gonna take to see them get to Elfhelm.
 
06-24-10, 8:11 PM

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I'm waiting for Caska to be umm Normal again?
And i will keep reading berserk till the day i die.
 
06-24-10, 8:21 PM

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Keep reading Berserk until the day I die....hmmmm....sounds like a good plan....I'm in ^^

I simply enjoy berserk that much....yeah it sucks to wait for about 3 months for the new chapter...but oh well, you can' have everything right?.....and a good friend of mine once said "shit happens".......

...rNr...
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10-30-10, 10:42 AM

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Beatnik said:
People who happen to have marathoned this up to chapter 300-ish, please chime in with your thoughts. Have you noticed degenerating quality in the story?

Nope. In fact, I thought it was pretty awful up until around volume 7 or so, it was just tremendously awful world-building and an uninteresting chain of "woe is them!", which served no purpose other than to force one to go "woe is them!", like some bleeding Clannad ripoff, only with less interesting characters. The rest has just gotten better and better. Different, but definitely better.

Considering the length of this, it's not exactly weird it changes massively as it progresses. It's going from dark fantasy to high fantasy, slowly but surely, I find that change pretty cool. Especially as it's fueled by the villain and not exactly a heartening change for your common man.
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11-01-10, 1:05 AM

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I hate the long wait as much as the next but the story is quit possibly one of the best written stories in manga.I love all the characters (Except puck I dont diss like him I just tolerate him).All the characters have substance to them.... and despite Muira being a extremely sexist person(You know if it has a penis it's going to rape something no matter what it happens to be) He writes good female characters. I liked Farnes after she stopped getting off to burning people.I liked the witch chick and I love casca ...if their is one thing I want to see as much as gutts horribly mutilating Griffith it is casca getting better.She is one of my favorite characters of all time I want her back badly.

As a aspiring artist and a fan of good story writing I will read this manga to the end of time.It is one of the few mangas that I read over again at least once a year....and in time I will own every volume.

Plus soon we will have a new anime so It will make the wait go by faster
But in tell then I will wait for nov 12 for ch 317 like every one else and I will most likely enjoy it
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11-07-10, 10:28 AM

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Anyone who says they prefer the state of the manga as it is now, with its degenerating shonen tendencies of featuring long extended scenes with kids and stupid berserker suits, compared to way back when Casca used to speak and not be fucking retard is A BALD FACED LIAR. This manga sucks donkey dick right now. Not even donkey balls, it doesn't even have the decency to go on its knees and suck balls, it's so lazy it just bends over and sucks donkey dick.

It's painfully obvious Miura is, whether by his own will or not, aiming at a younger demographic. Despite the violence on display, because everyone knows kids watch/read violent media all the time anyway, the publisher of Berserk is shrewd and cynically capturing high school kids' pocket money via the stupid kid characters and shonen-level bullshit on display in this failure of a manga.

Why do you think it's so popular now? It's even getting an anime remake! Because it's aiming at lowest common denominator. Miura has literally sold out, and is creatively bankrupt.
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11-07-10, 2:11 PM

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Yes, because things aimed at adults are obviously inherently better than things aimed at youngsters?

And because there's... What, exactly, in it now which was not before, which makes it more suitable for a younger audience?

Magic? Magic armour? The presence of kids? What the hell? I don't see any connexion between that and worse quality nor a different age demographic. Possibly a shift in demographic from people who get off misery porn to people who enjoy occasional misery porn and frequent fantastical elements.

It can't be the lack of violence or rape, as it is still present, and besides, anyone finding either as a sign of quality is quite juvenile to begin with.

Beatnik said:
Why do you think it's so popular now? It's even getting an anime remake!

Which as far as we know will include or possibly only be, just like the first anime, the Golden Age arc, the part I'll assume you did not think aimed for the common lowest denominator and therefore should not be popular?

People need to read all the preceding chapters to get to the more lighthearted arc it's in now, they can't presciently judge "oh there will be a bit less rape and some more silly side characters no one likes later on".

Also, violence and sex are the commonly most accepted lowest denominators, and they have been quite constant.

tl;dr you just mad 'cause you nostalgia
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11-10-10, 6:44 AM

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Beatnik said:
People who happen to have marathoned this up to chapter 300-ish, please chime in with your thoughts. Have you noticed degenerating quality in the story?

Degenerating quality in the story?......didn't feel like it.....it felt more of a transition from a dark fantasy to a high fantasy....or maybe that's just me.......anyways I'm just saying.....just like the golden age arc it's the main theme was about war...now we go to the Black Swordsman/Retribution arc and Hawk of the Millennium empire arc it's main theme was dark fantasy....and now moving on to the Fantasia arc you guessed it, it's main theme is high fantasy with a touch of dark fantasy here and there.....

so it's not really a degenerating quality in the story line...or maybe that's just me...anyways, I'm just saying.....
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12-01-10, 5:18 PM

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Beatnik said:
I see a lot of discussion about how annoying the chapter breaks are, but there are always defensive voices almost saying "it'll be good once you read it in one go."

I'm sorry guys, but I'm pretty sure reading this in one go isnt going to make any difference. You'll enjoy the story for about 10 volumes or something, then you're going to realise the plot is slowing down, then it's stopped, then a stupid witch girl has appeared, then people arent talking anymore...and....wait, WTF is a 'femto' again?

I mean it's one thing for an author to worry about how current readers are perceiving his work, and another to think about future readers, but at this point in time it looks like Miura is going to lose in both categories. Sure the art is fantastic, the plot hasnt been flushed down the toilet, but after 300 chapters who can honestly say they've been satisfied with how things have turned out?

When you were reading Berserk back in the good old days with demonic rape occuring, you were relishing the idea of Guts getting his revenge. Guys, we were in diapers when that infamous rape scene occured in the manga. I dont even remember how or why the fucking rape even happened, how can I relish a revenge for something I can barely remember? Why's Guts only got one eye open? I CANT FUCKING REMEMBER ANYMORE. Even if I marathoned the manga in a week, I still wouldnt remember, there's just too much lapse in storytelling.

People who happen to have marathoned this up to chapter 300-ish, please chime in with your thoughts. Have you noticed degenerating quality in the story? Or has Berserk been consistently entertaining? I just cant see myself re-reading this manga in the future, or if I do I'm sure the drop in quality will hit me like a slap in the face. (I'm talking about story, the art is perfectly fine)

/end rant


/applauds

This is exactly how I feel about the manga, I am in love with the original concept of the story and how it was worked out (the arc before the "infamous scene" was so amazingly done) but I just can't be bothered to read it anymore.
 
02-07-11, 5:54 AM

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You people who are criticizing berserk for the change in the whole way of storytelling can not absorb the fighting sequence very well and the idea behind each of the Guts journey

I checked Beatnik's posts about Berserk and he doesn't have any idea wtf is going on in berserk right now and he lost interest in Berserk ever since that stupid witch has appeared which I can not fathom in what basis you are calling her stupid as she fits in her role perfectly. Actually right from that time the action sequences became more intricate i.e. several things happen in one panel and so you have to pay more attention to ever panel to understand what is happening

And yeah I have read berserk 2 years ago and still and will remeber what happened to Guts and why he wants to take revenge cuz it is memorable and that berserker armor is epic in terms of enjoyment and added complexity in the character of Guts and the whole action makes you feel

The most epic moment was when that fire dragon besmirching Guts by saying him pathetic and just after wearing Berserker armor he kicked asses of that guy again. The whole fight was very well done and made adrenaline high

The main quality of berserk is, it makes you feel whatever condition the manga world is in and this manga is just damn perfect

And lol, just think how would Guts take revenge without these fights, opening a box having God's behlite and becoming and angel and killing all the evil forces in nature......no right?

And no, Miura had planned the whole story right from the start at least the magic part as you could see how well he has explained the whole thing behind Behliet, God hands and related that theory to magic......and if editors had that much influence then first thing for sure, they would have never allowed such slow releases
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02-07-11, 8:18 AM

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Whats the point in reading berserk? Well if the quality doesnt decline, we could get the best final battle in..well ever!! no matter how many decades it takes, isn't worth it to see the best battle ever. Guts vs Griffith. Holy Shit. Man. The Word Epic. Doesn't even come close.
 
02-09-11, 12:55 PM

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Haha this is why I will wait another 20 years when it is finished.
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07-05-11, 8:24 AM

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Beatnik said:
People who happen to have marathoned this up to chapter 300-ish, please chime in with your thoughts. Have you noticed degenerating quality in the story? Or has Berserk been consistently entertaining? I just cant see myself re-reading this manga in the future, or if I do I'm sure the drop in quality will hit me like a slap in the face. (I'm talking about story, the art is perfectly fine)

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I'm currently in the process of marathoning v1-34.

I'd break it down like this:

Pre-Golden Age (v1-3.5): Decent but unispiring monster-of-the-week-ing. Guts and the bleakness of it all held my interest, but Berserk would never have been anything special, had it remained the same. I've read at least one review by someone who felt compelled to drop Berserk before it truly got going because of its lackluster beginning.

Golden Age (v3.5-13/14): Had a bit of everything. Arguably the best character-focused story ever written. The back-stories of the characters, political intrique, violence, love, hate and wonderful art combined to form a masterpiece. From the very beginning of the arc, it was always building up to Griffith's fall from grace, and the climax will never be erased from my memory. Such astounding character growth and fast-paced progression only occur when everything is planned out in advance; not just created in a rush to keep the series going.

Fairy Apostle (up to v16/17?): As good as this arc was, what did it add to Guts' quest for vengeance and his relationship with Casca? Absolutely nothing. Like everything that followed, it could be described as filler. I'd rate the arc around the 8/10 mark because it stayed true to Berserk's dark tone and included some good new discardable characters, but the fact remains this arc is where the progression stopped.

The Heretic Arc (v17-21?): Why did Griffith need a repeat performance of the eclipse, reliant on Guts and Casca escaping from what happened, in order to be reborn and edge closer to his dream? It made no sense. The entire arc was a clever way of not adding anything but deceiving people into thinking it was important. I enjoyed the arc immensely because of the excellent fights and twisted nature of the story-telling, as well as more great new discardable characters, but AGAIN it added very little of value. How long did it take just for Griffith to reappear?

Traveling, Witches & JRPGing (v22-26+?): This is where Berserk started to come off the rails. The reunion with Griffith, fight with Zodd and breakdown of Guts relationship with Casca hinted at things finaly getting back on-track. But what happened after this? Guts formed his own little party of girls and kids. With so many characters around for comic relief on top of Puck now, and each of them receiving more and more panel time, the series will only continue to stray from how it began. The long-arse explanations about magic, spirtutal realms and a village needing to be saved from trolls/mythical creatures made it seem more likea JRPG than the Berserk of old. Even the raping shown was tame.

Sadly, I can only see things getting worse, now that Guts' JRPG party and comic relief are a permanent fixture. I don't dislike the characters but their continued existence only highlights how Berserk has changed for the worse.

Berserk started in 1990. That was before FFVII started a JRPG boom and the internet connected people. Berserk changing is probably as much to do with Miura being influenced by the times as it is to do with his editor's influence.

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As for stricking with Berserk, the slow Japanese releases may actually work in my favour. Currently, there are 36 Japanese volumes released. There are 34 English volumes released. Dark Horse will soon catch-up with the Japanese releases. And when they do, I'll be able to buy and read one volume a year, hopefully. With me following so many other series, it should work out quite well.

It'd be pointless to wait months for 20 or so new pages. Waiting a year for 200+ pages all it once is much more satisfying.
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07-06-11, 9:31 AM

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Haha this is why I will wait another 20 years when it is finished.
This is my plan too. Lol, I haven't even started this series yet, that's how much I'm following this plan. xD Of course, if I somehow hear that it is getting close to finishing, I'll probably pick it up and go through it.

And LOL at the people who bash others for having their own opinions. fyi, the world doesn't revolve around you :V

 
07-10-11, 7:16 PM

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Here are my post-v34 comments.

List tag abuse: c306: "Berserk's world has transformed into JRPGland. What happened to Guts' vengeance and Casca's love? Subplots within subsplots and Guts' kids & women harem mask a lack of progress since v13. Too much lightheartedness; too many needless characters."

I just don't know where the Berserk the anime made me love has disappeared to. The last time the manga was the dark fantasy epic with a sense of purpose I remembered it to be was at the beginning of Griffith's monster army arc; the reunion and Guts' mental collapse as he tried to protect Casca's retarded self. Since then, he's got himself a tweens + women + stoic boredom harem, fought monsters plucked right out of JRPGs, learned all about witchcraft... and that's about it. He's off to Elfland in a desperate attempt to make his beloved less retarded, while Griffith just finished fighting a needless/scripted battle against Arabian invaders, but just what exactly has changed since the infamous events of the eclipse? Griffith, as well as his four other Godly friends, are all alive and well and there was never any need for a long-arse (but very good) rebirth arc, or page after page spent on one of God's fingers showing his Godliness to a whole swarm of newbie characters.

The battling against the invading army might have been semi-interesting, if not for the there being prophecies/dreams revealing that the path to success was set long before. (Why does Birdman even need a medium when he's one with the script-writer of his newly created JRPG kingdom?...)

I'm already tired of, in every other panel, silly humour getting chucked in, all in the name of giving Guts' fanclub increased panel time. And, I swear, the series is becoming more and more like a shounen work as time passes by.

-- A monster within (...WHY CAN'T GUTS HATE WITHOUT CONVERSING WITH A DOG!?) needing to be internally fought; the monster powering-up the hero during his time's of need and the hero gradually losing himself to the darkness within.
-- Everyone the hero encounters changing after viewing the straightforward manliness of the hero, time after time; becoming better people.
-- The hero finding himself with a harem of girls/ladies; the lot of them finding themselves in love with his heroic self but never takingtheir feelings beyond the realm of purity.
-- The hero and his nemesis never actually fighting, until the series ends, but occasionally sharing meaningful moments of eye contact together.

...Man, I'd rather just catch-up with Naruto - at least that never started out nasty before making its lead wear an orange jumpsuit. And Sasuke's betrayal/transformation into a weird lady man wasn't anywhere near as rage worthy.

I'll keep buying the releases. I'll keep reading them, too--the art is too tasty to say no to. But the story is never going to end. All the author is intent on doing is keeping the money rolling in with slow releases. Not even the big bad dragon was killed, during the whole witch saga, so God knows how long it'll be before Guts even kills the all-new mid-bosses.

PS: Casca's dirty looks as Guts keeps saving her retarded arse are starting to make me dislike her. You just know she's going to betray Guts for her demonic baby/the rapist, once she retains her memories, so it's seriously pissing me off how much the leading man is suffering for her. I DON'T CARE IF HE BIT HER BOOB; SHE DESERVED IT!

PS2: I liked Farnese more when she got aroused over people buring to death/inflicting pain. Did her sexual desires vanish once she became mother to Casca?
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