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Jan 19, 2014 4:25 PM

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Veronin said:
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Yay.

Kineta addressed that in her post.


"Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again.

The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed.
That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise.

Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed?
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Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed?


For attention.
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IntroverTurtle said:
Veronin said:
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Veronin said:
Yay.

Kineta addressed that in her post.


"Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again.

The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed.
That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise.

Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed?


A review is written for an audience. A blog or a journal is written for yourself. It's natural to want to share your opinion with other people, and when you put three, five, or even ten hours into writing a review, don't you want at least a tiny reward for it? I'm in university now and can't really justify spending hours per review when one child has the power to destroy it a day later. My only option right now is to wait a few more weeks and hope that he'll have gotten bored by the next time I write one.
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Veronin said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Veronin said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Veronin said:
Yay.

Kineta addressed that in her post.


"Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again.

The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed.
That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise.

Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed?


A review is written for an audience. A blog or a journal is written for yourself. It's natural to want to share your opinion with other people, and when you put three, five, or even ten hours into writing a review, don't you want at least a tiny reward for it? I'm in university now and can't really justify spending hours per review when one child has the power to destroy it a day later. My only option right now is to wait a few more weeks and hope that he'll have gotten bored by the next time I write one.


Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion.

If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not.

If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means.
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TallonKarrde23 said:
Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion.

If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not.

If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means.


It eliminates any point in writing a review when your review reaches nobody. People write reviews because they want other people to see it. Reviews are inherently a form of consumer protection. Without an audience, there is no review. If that is attention-seeking to you then feel free to believe so.

And MAL has designed the reviewing system in such a way that helpfuls/unhelpfuls determine whether or not your review is seen by anybody. When one kid comes and votes down all your reviews 15-20 times over night, you have a damn good reason to be pissed. Reviews are very personal. It's like an author writing a book and not caring if it succeeds or fails. Doesn't happen. Every single reviewer on this site cares how their reviews are received. They would write on a blog if they didn't want feedback.
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Veronin said:
TallonKarrde23 said:
Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion.

If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not.

If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means.


It eliminates any point in writing [...] when [it] reaches nobody..


Better start working for Kotaku with that kind of thinking. Rev up that click bait.
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TallonKarrde23 said:
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It eliminates any point in writing [...] when [it] reaches nobody..


Better start working for Kotaku with that kind of thinking. Rev up that click bait.


Right, because the only articles with high traffic are worthless clickbait.
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    Veronin said:
    It eliminates any point in writing a review when your review reaches nobody. People write reviews because they want other people to see it. Reviews are inherently a form of consumer protection. Without an audience, there is no review. If that is attention-seeking to you then feel free to believe so.

    And MAL has designed the reviewing system in such a way that helpfuls/unhelpfuls determine whether or not your review is seen by anybody. When one kid comes and votes down all your reviews 15-20 times over night, you have a damn good reason to be pissed. Reviews are very personal. It's like an author writing a book and not caring if it succeeds or fails. Doesn't happen. Every single reviewer on this site cares how their reviews are received. They would write on a blog if they didn't want feedback.

    I agree with everything you said. Only reviewers from MAL (or other websites with an up/down voting system) would understand that feeling. Reviews take time and effort, and it would make sense for all votes to be honest in order to have their rightful place on the anime or manga's page. I dislike the downvote raids as well, but all we can do is be patient include of complaining about something that's currently being addressed. In the meantime, the only rec I have is to post reviews on other websites (like Anime-Planet and Hummingbird) in addition to MAL. They aren't any as active and interactive as MAL imo, but it's the only option besides posting to see if trolls get bored.
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    I'm trying to have my expectations as low as possible, to be honest.


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    Xinil, working on code? Heresy!

    Well, finally. I should be able to expect some progress on quality control now.

    Of course, congratulations to all the new mods.
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    Mod Note: Cleaned and reopened.

    Feel free to join in congratulating the new moderators who have made a significant commitment of their time to help improve your experience on MAL.

    If you have concerns, please express them in a private message to Kineta.

    If you have suggestions for improving MAL, please post them in the suggestions forum.

    Do not use this thread to attack other MAL users!
    rodacJan 19, 2014 8:28 PM
    Please don't feed the trolls!
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    I'm glad we were able to find some gullible qualified users who want to help keep the reviews and recommendations clean. The anime database here on MAL is one of the most important site features and flippant or trolling content shouldn't be cluttering it. Welcome all the new mods and I hope to see you around.

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    I'm glad we were able to find some gullible qualified users who want to help keep the reviews and recommendations clean. The anime database here on MAL is one of the most important site features and flippant or trolling content shouldn't be cluttering it. Welcome all the new mods and I hope to see you around.

    Just letting anyone reading know that the review community is far from having trolls and constant abusers only at the creation of various reviews. Really, far from that.
    Most come from the review voting waves, and that hasn't got anything to do with the anime and/or manga databases. The votes are done fast, so it's done from the Panel. Every other raid is done through that specific user's profile.

    On short, why is it a hell zone and much worse than you say? Because approximately 5% of the votes cast overall are from actually visiting the page in the database. Everything else is fake. Therefore, having less troll, and generally incorrect reviews in the memory overall by having them removed ASAP is a minority. Compared to the whole picture, issues, philosophy, as well as actions that the users take for the worse, it is basically nothing.

    Why? Because various troll/spam reviews are far from being an intelligent issue. They come, and will now get deleted fast, hopefully. How about those who are a bit more? Those, that know how to abuse the system much more heavily? Those circles that do that, are much bigger and effect other reviews over some random troll/spam reviews that get dealt with anyway, just faster now.
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    Have "fun" being a mod. ;)
    Keep those reviews clean.
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    Alooo~!

    Thanks for the congratulations :3 We'll do the best we can :D

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    Have fun, guys.
    I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard.

    Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P
    Steel Ball Run anime when?
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    Have fun, guys.
    I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard.

    Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P


    I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and written properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <:

    And please, let it be hard! xD
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    Maffy said:
    Nidhoeggr said:
    Have fun, guys.
    I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard.

    Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P


    I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and writen properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <:

    And please, let it be hard! xD


    I just wonder how Seo will end it...

    Will he troll until the very end?
    It's getting a 9-10/10 from me though.. >_>
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    Maffy said:
    Nidhoeggr said:
    Have fun, guys.
    I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard.

    Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P


    I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and writen properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <:

    And please, let it be hard! xD


    I just wonder how Seo will end it...

    Will he troll until the very end?
    It's getting a 9-10/10 from me though.. >_>


    You sure you are the right guy for the job? :P
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    Since I can't post links to the guidelines on user's profiles anymore, I'll be bugging the heck out of all of you with these reports. Lol, I hope explanations like "This user is unaware of the Review/Rec Guidelines" is good enough.
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    Since I can't post links to the guidelines on user's profiles anymore, I'll be bugging the heck out of all of you with these reports. Lol, I hope explanations like "This user is unaware of the Review/Rec Guidelines" is good enough.

    I've been posting "Too early" since most of them are like that.
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    Since I can't post links to the guidelines on user's profiles anymore, I'll be bugging the heck out of all of you with these reports. Lol, I hope explanations like "This user is unaware of the Review/Rec Guidelines" is good enough.

    I've been posting "Too early" since most of them are like that.

    Really? I've been skipping those. As far as the "Too Early" ones, I thought they were automatically removed anyway.
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    Demi_V said:
    Zelot said:
    Demi_V said:
    Since I can't post links to the guidelines on user's profiles anymore, I'll be bugging the heck out of all of you with these reports. Lol, I hope explanations like "This user is unaware of the Review/Rec Guidelines" is good enough.

    I've been posting "Too early" since most of them are like that.

    Really? I've been skipping those. As far as the "Too Early" ones, I thought they were automatically removed anyway.


    Please continue to report as you like. Though I'm sure I can speak for all review moderators when I say that more specific report explanations are always appreciated. Though you are not required to write anything and we can work with whatever you give us. To put it simply, being able to read a report description that gives us clearer info as to why it should be removed/edited always helps.
    Anything point form is great. Specifically quoting the guidelines the review was not following is a bonus.

    Reviews which are written for anime before their allowed time (episodes currently aired) are not automatically removed from MAL. Please continue to report them. If you report one of these reviews stating that it was "too early" or "written before its allowed time" that is enough information as we will be removing such reviews regardless of any other review guideline related content. Of course we can easily find that out ourselves too. :P

    Hope that insight helps.
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    Snakes said:
    Demi_V said:
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    Demi_V said:
    Since I can't post links to the guidelines on user's profiles anymore, I'll be bugging the heck out of all of you with these reports. Lol, I hope explanations like "This user is unaware of the Review/Rec Guidelines" is good enough.

    I've been posting "Too early" since most of them are like that.

    Really? I've been skipping those. As far as the "Too Early" ones, I thought they were automatically removed anyway.

    Please continue to report as you like. Though I'm sure I can speak for all review moderators when I say that more specific report explanations are always appreciated. Though you are not required to write anything and we can work with whatever you give us. To put it simply, being able to read a report description that gives us clearer info as to why it should be removed/edited always helps.
    Anything point form is great. Specifically quoting the guidelines the review was not following is a bonus.

    Reviews which are written for anime before their allowed time (episodes currently aired) are not automatically removed from MAL. Please continue to report them. If you report one of these reviews stating that it was "too early" or "written before its allowed time" that is enough information as we will be removing such reviews regardless of any other review guideline related content. Of course we can easily find that out ourselves too. :P

    Hope that insight helps.

    It does help. Thanks, Snakes. Thanks to you, too, Zelot, for reporting. :)
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    Guys and gals, allow me to be so bold and add up to what Kineta has said in her opening post.

    Kineta said:
    If you are interested in the position, I suggest that you keep reporting reviews/recommendations with useful comments illustrating your knowledge of the guidelines and perhaps there will be a place for you on the team sometime in the future.

    Although the main focus was on possible future recruitment, that doesn't really matter. Give useful and specific comments in your reports, regardless if you are aiming to one day become a Mod or not. It's generally a good observation and judging exercise, as well as training the expression of a specific issue through text. If nothing else, it's at least that.

    In other words, keep the reports rich, but on-topic. At all times. :)
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    Congrats Joker and lpf.
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    You sure you are the right guy for the job? :P
    lol my scores matter not.
    I did have to take tests you know. Hopefully I am.

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    lpf is master race. Congrats, dude.

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    Wow Kineta, you actually picked competent users. I'm surprised.


    That's the nicest thing anybody has ever said about me...

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    Wow Kineta, you actually picked competent users. I'm surprised.


    That's the nicest thing anybody has ever said about me...

    :')


    I like how you took the compliment out of that lol.
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    Wow Kineta, you actually picked competent users. I'm surprised.

    I hope this doesn't sound too negative, but we have yet to see and determine that.
    Everything is neutral as for now. The pre-set potential is hugely different between the ones that were picked, bringing quite a question mark to that statement.
    Regardless, we'll see through action. Better give it your best shot, peeps.
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