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07-16-09, 1:29 PM

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Just got around to finishing this series up today. A clean ending, though there were plenty of plot holes that never got sorted out. Still a good show nonetheless, in my opinion one of the best shows of the past winter season. Though, I hate to prattle on and on and prefer to keep my posts short and sweet. What would have made this show a masterpiece is if it followed the rhythm and atmosphere of the first half. The second brought about many philosophical themes but once again I didn't feel they were touched upon enough or focused. Despite all of this it still garnered a solid B from me.

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07-17-09, 9:48 AM

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Maoh-Sama said:
Just got around to finishing this series up today. A clean ending, though there were plenty of plot holes that never got sorted out.


Just because something is left for a viewer to figure out, it does not mean that "there were plenty of plot holes".

Maoh-Sama said:

The second brought about many philosophical themes but once again I didn't feel they were touched upon enough or focused.


Really? I think the last episode cleared up all these things and clearly reinforced the message the show was carrying. ;)
 
07-19-09, 9:57 AM

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same question here...
any ideas guys???


No any idea, that's what we call a big plot hole.
 
07-31-09, 11:56 AM

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It seems as if I didn't have to reply on that one for hoohirai and the others to notice one of the plot holes I was mentionning (the biggest).

Fei while certainly a good show from a lackluster season it is by no means great.

*Sigh*

It has been over a week since I watched the last episode and well my memory on the show isn't perfect I missed the chance for a debate. I should check posts from this section more often in the future.

 
10-07-09, 3:45 AM

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so after all the arguments im guessing that no one noticed that m.bison made an appearance in that last ep xd


ZOMG YES!!!! I totally said to my self...wtf M. Bison from street fighter!?! I know this is off topic as hell, compared to how much ppl are arguing about this and that *coughEmmanuelVR > close minded re-re'sCOUGH*...any way...

I THINK, the original NeoHuman Casshern thing from way back in the day -checks wikipedia- .. 1973-74, I think they had the whole look of Braiking Boss made, and that the last fight in Sins was a throw back to that. Meaning ZOMFG, Street Fighter copied off Casshern?! o-0 it wouldn't surprise me with how damn stereotypical nearly every charachter is, Guile being one of the worst.

Also, as for when someone said Lyuze was a kid so Ringo must not be special, I call B.S. bc it was happening during her acid trip like dream episodes, and I think it was symbolism, and she was never that little. It showed her sister as little for some parts as well, but as an adult she looked way more robotic and less 'advanced' compared to her 'sister' Ryuze. I dont think they were 'sisters' but rather nearly identical models, altho Ryuze was an upgrade..This is apparent in her superior fighting skills and being able to hold off the ruin so long.

And to break it down to you people, I think the most basic robots are the Mega Man like fighting ones. Then are humanoid but still all metallic ones like the Painter guy, then I think there is ones that emulate biological humans, but have mechanicall or cybernetic parts, like cyborgs, so maybe partially human, like Lyuze. I think at the time of Braiking boss this was as advanced as it got, until the humans created a 'lifeform' not clearly human or robot or cyborg or any thing, but made up COMPLETELY of nano-machines, which would be Luna. meaning she is tons of microscopic robots. This would explain how her blood can regenerate any thing, including giving her self and Casshern who got too much of her blood in and on him, Immortal. Also when their blood mixed, nano machines got spread to the wind ruining robot kind in some unforseen way. This is probably because Leda, Dio and Casshern were Braiking Bosses experiment to counter act Luna, the new next-gen thing, and they were vastly incomplete compared to how perfect in form and function Luna was. Also Leda and Dio or who impregnated her did work, but nobody knew it. I surmise this was due to fighting and the end of the world. I conjecture that Casshern and Leda and Dio were pretty much failed alglamations of all the technology's. I think Casshern had nano-machines to kill instead of heal, and that fucked up everything. And Dio and Leda were probably more biological than most robots, thus being able to create Ringo. Altho I am not saying Dio is the father, it could of been any one, and Dio may of had some other purpose not related to Leda or Casshern. Casshern having the opposite nano-machines compared to Luna makes sense, because the ruin got spread bc Braiking Boss and Oji fucked up and didnt complete their technology. You can even tell whatever scientist made Luna was far better than Oji and Braking, bc his 3 kids, Hote Hotie and w.e. were advanced as hell too. Also to further demonstrate why I think Casshern had killing nano-machines is the fact that some times he would BARELY fucking touch a robot and it would like explode and disintergrate. But stronger robots wouldn't perhaps because their armor or in Dio's case perhaps anti-nano-machines would counteract this. I am just talking run of the mill super old models like the mega-man like enemy fighter robots. FINALLY to get near the end of my post, much later after all this b.s. Oji found Ringo and she is the true next gen ANDROID. An Android being a fully biological robot. But being fully liviing you could say she is basically human or a clone. Its up to perspective. Also I think the metal things on her were just braces since as someone said in one of the episodes Casshern was freaked out as hell she was bleeding. The rust was probably just on her metal braces, maybe she was frail but grew out of them. A lot of people take the easy way out of this and dont THINK about shit could be explained and say oh it was artsy and there were plot holes. But if you think about advanced science and stuff from other games and anime, you can understand this. The ONLY plot hole I saw it that Oji said he was gonna study the thing the Hote and Hotie and the kid gave them, the nano-machine core rock thinger...then it was just brushed under the rug, due to a lack of funds and/or rating/popularity. I cant really blame them for that. Maybe they wanted more epic of a story but had a lot of things stopping them. Sorry to ramble on, but I wanted to get my thoughts out since some peopel here seem kind of close minded and lazy. x3 sorry to sound cocky and judgemental but I feel strongly for no real reason about this. Oh and I think EmmanuelVR is awesome xD

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10-07-09, 3:52 AM

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lzumi-chan said:

Also when Casshern was going to go kill Luna, his helmet was broken the same way as Dio's. When did that happen I don't remember it.

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When Dio was Fighting Casshern the last time, (possibly second to last, sorry)one of his punches knocked off his thing, then later he barely managed to dodge a punch casshern threw to his face, but his punch went thru INTO Cassherns chest. This is probably why he chose to say he 'defeated Casshern' and happily died or w.e. with Leda soon later after and wot not. I mean if Casshern wasn't immortal he would of beat him in terms of skill pretty much.
 
10-07-09, 3:56 AM

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Jarmel said:
Makes perfect sense. They summed up Ringo's specialness by saying that she was the daughter of a robot but it seems was also part human. The metal bands around her head means that she was half robot. The decay killed that part of her. However we know that she was part human because she grows up. The stone allowed Ouji to realize that Luna was death, that was its whole point.

Casshern became the devil to Luna's God. In the last episode we saw how Casshern totally rejected her philosophy of granting immortal life based on seeing that town(in which it almost seemed that people wanted death or some sort of destruction) and his past experiences. He didn't want to kill her though as he was sick of fighting. However Lyuze's final line showed him that people want or need life. He decided to became essentially the boogie-man and remind people(or robots) that they can still die as he can kill them. This allows people to truly "live" as they don't know if Casshern will kill them. You can see this in Luna's expression as she imagines Casshern as a monster.

They perfectly explained Breaking Boss and Luna as characters. Breaking Boss was somewhat a good guy as he felt human civilization was becoming corrupt and so decided too wipe it out. He however became fed up with death(partly due to the ruin) and so decided to help Luna. Luna never liked killing people and so her "death" early on was liberating for her. Instead of granting death she could grant happiness through life. It seems too much of her blood though is poison and will grant death or mutation as seen through Leda. Luna's blood was also really a temporary measure as it seems that robots would still rust even with her treatment(as seen by that robot graveyard) and if past a certain point Luna's blood wouldn't do any good. As Duke said the Sun doesn't give anything but has to continue to shine, so I guess they need Luna's blood multiple times.

Ending reminds me alot of BSG.

9/10 as this was a great psychological anime into the minds of a dying world. The art was great and created a very desolate world.. The plot didn't explain some small things but delved into its topic and theme very well. Characters developed pretty well and give some insight into their background.


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WELL SAID :X I wish I read this before going off. The Stone thing makes sense, I just dont get why three kids had to like do a ritual thing and make it seem super important just so he could study it to learn some thing semi obvious and obscure. I'll accept it tho. I was more being imaginative thinking it was nano-machines and if released the right way in the atmosphere could counter act the ruin so things could semi go back to the right way or all the way. Kind of like how in some movies when there is a disease killing everyone and there is no way to cure it, you find a person who has immunity and make an antidote or pathogen cure from the blood of the immune person. I thought it would be like that, but no, it was more like Devil vs God fuck-you fest xD Everything else you said was spot on! Good show man
 
10-07-09, 4:01 AM

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Shiny rock = part of some thing from the lab of the guy who made Luna (never shown in show, some old human scientist who died perhaps as far back as hundreds of years ago or at least 20-some.) Its probably some thing he used to make nanomachines which could attack pretty much anything on a cellular level. See my other ramblings for more info. It is pretty much a plot hole but as Jarmel said, it was just a plot device so they could learn more about Luna. I just wish it had been more important, and many people get confused bc it seemed so important when it really wasnt. It seems like the whole ep it was in was about it, but really it had under currents about Leda's past, and Ringo's which shows they are daughter and Mother etc.
 
10-09-09, 5:08 PM

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HooHiraiBunny said:
sick742 said:
Fabienne said:

same question here...
any ideas guys???


No any idea, that's what we call a big plot hole.


Can’t say I ever saw the shiny rock as a plot hole, since they gave you enough information by episode 21 to deduce what happened to it.

After saying it was worth studying, Oji stayed behind at Luna’s old home and presumably did that. He then returned in episode 21 and told Casshern and co. about Luna’s past. The rock was referred to as Luna’s ‘nano-cells,’ probably a key component in her make-up that would give a mechanic like Oji plenty of insight into her utility.

You just have to pay attention.
 
10-09-09, 8:20 PM

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basically what he said. I wish people would get more into this. I missed out by watching this 2 years too late I guess. Nobody gives a fuck about the hype no more >.<
 
11-29-09, 12:41 AM

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lyuze died, therefore it gets 7/10 instead of 8 =P, the ending could have been better but was sufficient, i liked the deep psychological aspect of this anime, however in my opinion ergo proxy beats it.
 
01-18-10, 5:17 AM

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ramensempai said:
Shiny rock = part of some thing from the lab of the guy who made Luna (never shown in show, some old human scientist who died perhaps as far back as hundreds of years ago or at least 20-some.) Its probably some thing he used to make nanomachines which could attack pretty much anything on a cellular level. See my other ramblings for more info. It is pretty much a plot hole but as Jarmel said, it was just a plot device so they could learn more about Luna. I just wish it had been more important, and many people get confused bc it seemed so important when it really wasnt. It seems like the whole ep it was in was about it, but really it had under currents about Leda's past, and Ringo's which shows they are daughter and Mother etc.


Just wanted to add one thing.
I think Ringo was given the shiny stone, which I agree is some sort of nano-machine technology based core, because that is how she can become the next generation of robots. She said herself, in her teen scene that "all the robots will eventually become like her" or something along those lines.
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04-05-10, 12:18 PM

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great anime. I agree that begining had deeper and more impressing atmosphere. Even drawing was better (atleast for me). I heard it had smth to do with sponsors and that stuff... That's sad. Anyway, I heard they are dubbing it for USA. I hope Casshern will succeed very well, that might mean that they create smth more like ova or even season 2 (dream on :)
 
04-30-10, 12:34 PM

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so casshern goes on last rampage; too bad oji and lyze had to die in this episode too
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05-15-10, 3:39 PM

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Finnaly finish this one. Great show with intense atmosphere, and nice animation and OST

The story itself seems have many plothole but if you analyze it, its not that bad

9/10 from me
 
06-14-10, 1:17 AM

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Love the show sure alot of questions weren't answered but at least it had awesome fights with casshern and dio heck even braiking boss :D i would love to see another tatsunoko franchise reboot. after seeing tatsunoko vs capcom casshern FTW :)
 
07-09-10, 1:29 AM

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There were some really great ideas that pretty much ran out after 12 episodes.
I agree with this. The first half of the series, where he was wandering the earth, meeting people was much more interesting than the whole thing with Dio, Braiking Boss and Luna.

Episode 5 (the one with Sophita) remains my personal favorite.

So Ringo survived? How? We knew she was partly human, but didn't she have robot parts? Perhaps those parts weren't all that important...

There is something I found distasteful. Casshern didn't let Luyze heal herself just because of his stupid (even if somewhat right) beliefs. And when I say let, I mean that he just let her follow him, he should have forced her. What would you do if someone you love is dying and he can be cured if he takes his medicine? You'd try to persuade him to take it, right? (I am not including Ringo, because she survived at the end, so it doesn't matter)

Although I want to, I can't give it more than a 7 or a possible 8. There were just too many flaws to call it a master piece...
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09-08-10, 11:24 AM

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Great series, you just have to pay close attention even though the pace is slow you can still miss important stuff.
The ending was a bit rushed but i seen worse and it was still great.


 
09-30-10, 2:57 PM

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This series was just a fantastic treat for the eyes! The art was absolutely wonderful and the music was spot on. This is one of those series I will never forget watching.

As for the story it could of been tightened up a little bit, a second season is not needed but it would of been nice to et those plot holes filled in.
All in all I really enjoyed watching this 9/10
 
11-10-10, 12:26 AM

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style over substance

 
01-10-11, 12:05 PM

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I thought the ending was great. I cried when Oji and Lyuze died. Now Casshern is all alone. But, I'm glad that he got to experience happiness. Seeing Casshern's smile is like heaven!
 
08-12-11, 2:57 PM

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Is it possible that it will be more shows about Casshern in the future, since he left Ringo and Friender behind?
 
09-04-11, 9:48 AM

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I wasn't happy with the end. I think Episode 23 should have been the last episode, because even though it leaves more questions unanswered, it was more human, if that makes any sense. I basically mean that the whole "become a god of death" thing is too over-the-top for me. It goes from a personal and intimate feeling to a superhero ending that feels a bit contrived.

Still though, I really liked this series a ton!
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12-07-11, 1:38 PM

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What a great series, I'm truly glad that I discovered this gem. This anime doesn't only shine in the art department but also story- and characterwise. It definitely left a huge impression on me.
 
01-17-12, 8:03 AM

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I absolutely loved the art and soundtrack in this anime, both were amazing and the fight scene were epic. The story was also great, although it felt to me that some of it could have been executed and explained (more back story etc.) a bit better I guess. The ending kind of left me a little unsatisfied but only a little. But overall a great series, and a great feel to it.
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03-05-12, 8:36 PM

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Well. That felt very rushed.
 
07-25-12, 9:24 AM

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I think that the main message is the problem is not about "Hot" being better than "Cold" but having a balance point between both.

When Luna rejected Dune,Ringo ran away from her and cassher said "Ringo can detect what is unnatural".

On my opinion the whole plot of the show is resumed when Luna talks that eternal life is a spring,and Cassher says that this is not the only truth,that people that was ruining was more like a Blaze,so ignoring Death was ignoring a part of life,and being incomplete. Ringo as the next generation would be able to choose when to die,and when to live because she was aware of this contradiction between immortality and mortality.

Putting it on a simple way,the more intelligent you become on a game,more predictable and boring it becomes.So you slowly stop to loose your appreciation for it,and living without appreciation is worst than living like a blaze,but obviously if you understood this contradiction,you would realize that the other extreme would also be unnatural.
 
08-02-12, 11:52 PM

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Personally I think this episode is great and I gave the show an overall 10/10.
 
08-23-12, 8:10 PM

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The point of the ending was.. death is a part of life.
Without death there is no life. He even gives them a warning, if they forget about death.. he will come back and kill.

Ringo can detect what's un-natural. Ringo ran away from Luna. Luna = unnatural because they reject death, and through that.. people have no value in life.

Consider you being alive forever.. you wouldn't live your life to the fullest. People forget that they can die, and they waste away their lives. The purpose of this ending was to show that death has come, and death can come to the weakest, and to the strongest. That the point of living.. is to live and not waste your time.

In the show.. the ruined robots huddled together and lived together, and such. They were taught total vulnerablility that they can't "live forever" that way.. they appreciate life.
They then get ruined and it's natural. But the robots that go to luna.. live forever. They don't die.. but they don't exactly get to live because they don't have an ending and they don't use up their time the way they should have.

But all-in-all.. a great show in total. The message is clear and it just had stories to go along to the message.
 
08-31-12, 9:15 PM

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I was not happy at all with this episode. I hated the facts that Lyuze died, Casshern wander the Earth and be the "God of Death",leaving Ringo and Friender behind, and Lyuze died!-_- they killed the best female character on this show. And then that obviously ends the greatest anime relationship ever. Damn this episode sucked.
 
10-02-12, 5:39 PM

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So Ooji dies just like that? Meh.

Geezus, psycho-Luna's actions are so strange. She heals some robots one day and the very next day, she'll order out a murderous rampage.

What. WHAT. Lyuze dies just like that also? No kiss? I was seriously expecting some form of a kiss before she died.

That was mighty quick of Casshern to throw away the creed he made last episode of not killing/fighting anymore. Also seems like his horn won't regenerate.

So Braiking Boss was only trying to atone for what he did? Somewhat rushed way to tell us.

Felt kind of cliched when Casshern became the God of Death.

So...Ringo's headband fell off. Is she human or what? I'm amazed she matured so quickly and that the deaths of Ooji and Lyuze had a rather positive impact on her.

That was a good show. Dat soundtrack and art.
 
10-30-12, 6:29 PM

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On the Luna note:

She as Ohji states granted death not life originally. She did this by granting normal life spans to humans (robots also began worshiping her) . This is because she originally thought death gave life meaning. Yes throughout the beginning she is referred to as the savior of life but this is referring to true life with the understanding of death.

(It should be noted. Luna was created by humans as a savior because they were nearing extinction due to the persecution of Braiking Boss. He was persecuting the humans because they had found a way to live eternally and he disliked this due to his controlling ambitions)

Since Braiking Boss was selfish/arrogant he did not appreciate his victims and eventually his own flocking to Luna as their savior rather than him. Thus he ordered her death. Ironically this causes the death inside her to pretty much contaminate the land, ultimately rendering Braiking Boss' plans useless with the now present ruin.

This explains why Braiking Boss is so angry at Casshern originally, he does not accept his sins or responsibility for causing the ruin. Instead he places the blame on Casshern even though it was his order.

"Killing" Luna causes her for some reason to repulse death when she returns. Thus becoming a morally ambiguous character compared to how she was painted originally. On one hand she wants eternal life and people that have it to enjoy it. But on the other hand, anyone who is too far dead (or reeks of death as she puts it) she heartlessly casts aside. Essentially she has gone from actually caring about the lives of others (and meanings of them) to rather selfishly only caring about her fear of the death that surrounds her.

This brings us to the ending, Casshern realizes it was his fault Lyuze died as she chose to follow his set of beliefs about the importance of death (even though he cannot die). He now realizes not only the importance death has on someone actually living out their life, but also the cruel nature of death at the hands of the ruin. He finally appreciates Luna's ability to give life, even if he disagrees with eternal life.

SO he promises to return if people begin to abuse eternal life and lose sight of the possibility of death. Making him a God of Death (interestingly enough what Dune was referred to as) and Luna a giver of life.

The only thing left in the open is really if Luna will continue to remove those she views to reek of death.

Sorry for the novel. Hope someone finds it useful or wants to have a convo about it. Definitely not claiming to be the end all on this. Overall 9.5/10 very Terrence Malick like in the understated dialogue, philosophical questioning, and beautiful settings
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11-04-12, 9:03 AM

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On the Luna note:




This is pretty much how I interpreted it.

I also think, without the threat of death, Casshern could never fully understand the fear and emotions of the robots who actually faced death. I don't think it was until the very end, the last moments he was able to spend with Lyuze and the rest of his adopted "family," so to speak, that he was able to make that full connection. He also felt the true pain of losing life to the ruin because it was someone he cared so deeply for who had died.

By essentially becoming the Grim Reaper he could ensure that no one would forget that death always looms around the corner. He's kind of like a boogie man now, ensuring kids behave themselves, or in this case, ensuring life is never taken for granted.

The one thing that really bugged me was the lack of info on the stone Ringo received. Is that what completed her so that she could live out life like a human? I took the old rusted headband as a symbol of her breaking away from the ruin, but how? Did it have to do with her outlook on life and become a psychological thing? That would explain how others like her would come, although it contradicts the full lives lived by robots who did die from the ruin. Or was it the stone? Or maybe it's because she was a second generation robot like other people have mentioned that she survived the ruin?

All in all, the anime itself was beautiful, though I felt the series became less clear as it progressed. It certainly gets you thinking, though. 7/10
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The one thing that really bugged me was the lack of info on the stone Ringo received. Is that what completed her so that she could live out life like a human? I took the old rusted headband as a symbol of her breaking away from the ruin, but how? Did it have to do with her outlook on life and become a psychological thing? That would explain how others like her would come, although it contradicts the full lives lived by robots who did die from the ruin. Or was it the stone? Or maybe it's because she was a second generation robot like other people have mentioned that she survived the ruin?

All in all, the anime itself was beautiful, though I felt the series became less clear as it progressed. It certainly gets you thinking, though. 7/10


Yea maybe I missed something as well but it totally felt like they had this idea with the stone, and then just completely scrapped it. They never really did anything major (or anything at all if I recall correctly) with it after that episode.
 
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Yeah I'm all for artsy styles, but I feel like this story was going in one direction, then changed their minds more than midway through and ended with a convoluted mess with its fair share of plot holes (rainbow stone?).

Casshern and Lyuze I thought were very well fleshed out characters as was Ohji, but I thought the villains needed more like Dio Luna and Braiking Boss. I thought they came across as either shallow or confusing motivations.

Again maybe its just me.

Final score 5/10. This had so much potential, but I thought it was just executed terribly.
 
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sudosamurai said:
Luna was created by humans as a savior because they were nearing extinction


So Luna was created to save humans from extinction...By taking away their immortal lives and enabling their extinction.

Might want to rethink that...



At the time of Braiking Boss' rule, humans had become immortal. It's more likely Luna served as a means to escape an eternity of Braiking's oppression by rendering them mortal again.
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I thought they came across as either shallow or confusing motivations.


That's because their motivations WERE shallow. It's deliberate. Dio just wanted to beat up the guy that always one-upped him. Luna just wanted to get rid of this thing (death) that she didn't like. Motives like children.

And Braiking Boss just wanted to end the Ruin, same as Casshern. But where Casshern's motive came from guilt, his motive came from wanting to re-establish his empire, which he couldn't effectively do in a ruined world of rusting henchmen. Again, a shallow motive, but deliberately so because he was a shallow, selfish tyrant.
 
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Xatok said:
sudosamurai said:
Luna was created by humans as a savior because they were nearing extinction


So Luna was created to save humans from extinction...By taking away their immortal lives and enabling their extinction.

Might want to rethink that...



At the time of Braiking Boss' rule, humans had become immortal. It's more likely Luna served as a means to escape an eternity of Braiking's oppression by rendering them mortal again.



Yea you are right lol completely flubbed that sentence.
 
01-10-13, 1:20 PM

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This serie was well I don't really know

It was deep black interesting but....weird.

A very good lesson on life, death, immortality, shortness of life and carpe diem.

I enjoyed it, though there is lots of questions unanswered at the end.

It's definitely not for everyone but still good.

7/10
 
01-14-13, 10:41 PM

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The show was meant to leave you with questions.

It's kind of interesting, the dynamic between Luna and Casshern is sort of like a God and a Grim Reaper.

Casshern will return to kill Luna if they forget the people who died before them.

I still think the ending was underwhelming, the show was good but definitely not perfect. 8/10.
 
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Good show, too bad it is underrated
 
02-22-13, 4:53 AM

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First half was following a pattern that delivered pretty much the same message over and over. Casshern finds a girl, helps her, fights some robots, girls falls in love with him (or drops hints of that), they part. Second half was better but it felt as if it expected us to have prior knowledge of several events what looks like plot holes since it was never explained. But I still really liked the fact that Casshern found Dio one of those who lived to fullest and I also liked that they realised that death is natural and should happen. I also liked that they didn't pretend life doesn't suck but they emphasised that every one should find something that will make it worth living.

Still, several loose ends left hanging and a messy ending "moral". So, the whole 24 episodes we are taught that death is normal and that people should live their life to the fullest not trying to be immortal yet at the very end Casshern goes like: "Sure, just make everyone immortal if they like, whatever." after killing tens of robots for no apparent reason (since he just wanted to chat with Luna). For a guy that hates fighting and killing that feels... weird. The rainbow-y stone had no meaning considering what a big deal it was, it was never really explained how there will be "born" robots, considering that the only 3 robots that could have children were out of the picture, the whole thing didn't really get a conclusion, Luna's behaviour was left just like that, Casshern acted as if he learnt nothing during the whole thing and we have no idea what happened to him, where he went or what he did (considering that we were following him and his point of view for 24 episodes it's just... uhh...). All in all weak ending for a slightly over average anime. 7/10
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02-27-13, 10:45 PM

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From what I can recall of the ending, Luna is meant to elongate the lives of robots affected by the Ruin for a while, not give them eternal life per se. Casshern on the other hand, is meant to be a martyr for teaching robot's how to value their own lives by acting as the god of death to help them acknowledge that they should live their lives with purpose for it will eventually expire. Both of their existences serve to better the ephemeral lives of robots by perpetuating their deity-like existences and purposes. If Luna were to die, all robots would lose hope and resort to wanting to eat Casshern in lieu of the series' 1st episode. The presence of Luna is meant to serve as a symbol of hope while Casshern is meant to intimidate so that the robots don't misinterpret Luna's patronage and over-indulge and perhaps cause anarchy thus grounding their views and ensuring longer (but not endless) lives with more happiness and purpose. Given that Luna is blessed with the power of healing whereas Casshern is not, the latter takes it upon himself to be death while telling Luna to fulfill her duties of giving a gleam of hope. So if Casshern died in some way, people would be abusing Luna's power and if Luna died, the world would attempt to eat a god and subsequently cause a chain of robots seeking absolution with them all vying for eternal life. Sure it's selfish that Casshern chooses to continue living, but he does so at the cost of being the center of hatred and fear, only to help people live more meaningful lives. Think about it; if some people lived for eternity they would either bide time and use minimal effort on everything, abuse their power and/or get fed up with everything, but with death looming over, we try to make the most of what little time we are given.
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03-27-13, 5:55 AM

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Should have ended in episode 23, the last episode ruined the very well done rest for me.
 
05-21-13, 5:38 PM

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Good Riddance to this garbage: 3/10.

On the plus side, I did like some of the visuals, Friender, and Jin. Shame that we didn't see more of Jin.

Lyuze should have died 24 episodes ago and Luna was a horrible character as well.
 
12-24-13, 5:15 PM

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Another disappointment for me, as the first part was brilliant and the second part felt like a wasted potential. It all went downhill when the show abandoned its episodic structure in favor of some unneeded characters' development... And in the end all this buildup led nowhere. Man, this show is like DRRR...

Too bad all the characters from the first part were never shown again. I wanted to see Sophita so much...
And poor guy Friender, he remained useless till the end without any development.
 
02-21-14, 6:49 PM

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So well that was the end, I wasn't expecting too much from this anime but it was somewhat decent I guess. The overall anime was okay, the pacing was horrible and some episodes were just pure boring but then others had great story or character development that with the unique art style and story line does gave us a pretty decent anime!

All by all I was not a huge fan but I can't deny that this is a pretty decent anime!

Let's see what the alternative settings have to offer us!
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03-06-14, 5:35 AM

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I'm a bit dissapointed to be honest. The art was beautiful, characters stylish, the soundtrack is good and they did a great job of creating a believable setting, with the all pervasive feeling of ruin surrounding the characters. And the story drew me in for the most part of the series, but then it all came undone. Characters contradicted themselves or lost their meaning completely, questions were made and never answered and sometimes some latter episodes felt as repetition of things that had come before. A triumph of style over substance for me.
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05-03-14, 12:10 AM

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This anime is just one big meh.somethings not explained and it just feels like it ends.It was long winded as well with its talking.Only thing that was good that kept me coming was the animation,fights and I like that 1 song that the lady sang.If you want a good robot anime that deals with questiioning life and such try to find android kikaider it curb stomps this anime.
 
09-25-14, 12:29 AM

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You know, it's bad to say "plot hole" all the time, everywhere, just because you didn't understand, because that's basically what CASSHERN Sins was: hard to understand.

Confusing.

Either because the messages they wished to convey were almost always implied, or because people use the wrong logic in approaching the events at face value.

My balls just busted when I watched the ED for the last time, because I realised something in the lyrics. I'm sure that this was planned, otherwise they wouldn't just have a random song with such lyrics as the ED. The guy sings about wanting to change, and staying the way he is; wanting to be happy, and wanting to be unhappy; not wanting to be alone, and wanting to be alone.

"For the living contradiction that I am, please forgive me."

Casshern says he will never kill again, and eventually kills all those robots when they went for him in the next ep (this ep). And although this is absolutely unrelated as I am just stringing up some things from other references: there are certain lyrics in the OP of Kuuchuu Buranko that go like "aimai wa tsumi ni naru" or translated, "ambiguity is a sin." Yes it's random, but I was just thinking that maybe there's a whole culture that we aren't aware of that really doesn't receive being ambiguous too well. The lyrics of CASSHERN Sins' ED perfectly describe this anime's conclusion.

And because of that realisation, I've decided that CASSHERN Sins may actually be MUCH, in fact, infinitely deeper than we all may have thought. I am not content because the series has been rather confusing and I may be missing a lot of points, such points like:

"Was Ringo a human all this time? Or was she of the likes of Casshern? She said at the end that she's probably the 'first to gain a life that will someday end in death' or in other words, the first robot to die naturally. But I recall in an earlier episode, when she and Ouji were atop a giant rock with a bed flowers, she had to wear a helmet which I believe aided in her breathing. Why would a robot need a breathing aid?"

"Is she Leda's daughter? If she is, was Ringo born human? Or was she born a robot like Leda, a robot who can breed? I don't really think she IS Leda's daughter. The only 3 robots who are capable of reproduction are apparently Casshern, Dio, and Leda, and taking into account how Leda said she wanted to have a child with Dio, it seems unlikely that she'd choose those words if she already had a previous child. Casshern was a killing machine, so he couldn't possibly have been the father either."

"What exactly was Luna's role? Is she another robot like Casshern who was created in lab (which explains the crystallised cells, which also explains why she "came back to life (regenerated like Casshern)")? What exactly does she think she has been doing all this time? What's this thing that was mentioned about the blood of life and death mixing? Is THAT what caused all shit to fuck up? Just because their blood happened to have made contact with each other? Is there some sort of mystical force in the universe that decided Luna is God who grants life, and Casshern is Satan who grants death? Why was Luna choosy with whom to give healing to? What does her blood do, exactly?"

Shaiza, man........

Though I really liked Jarmel's post as it seemed to have connect things sensibly (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=73434&show=60#msg2990763), I still want to know the specific details about the things I questioned.
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