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07-16-09, 1:29 PM

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Just got around to finishing this series up today. A clean ending, though there were plenty of plot holes that never got sorted out. Still a good show nonetheless, in my opinion one of the best shows of the past winter season. Though, I hate to prattle on and on and prefer to keep my posts short and sweet. What would have made this show a masterpiece is if it followed the rhythm and atmosphere of the first half. The second brought about many philosophical themes but once again I didn't feel they were touched upon enough or focused. Despite all of this it still garnered a solid B from me.

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07-17-09, 9:48 AM

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Maoh-Sama said:
Just got around to finishing this series up today. A clean ending, though there were plenty of plot holes that never got sorted out.


Just because something is left for a viewer to figure out, it does not mean that "there were plenty of plot holes".

Maoh-Sama said:

The second brought about many philosophical themes but once again I didn't feel they were touched upon enough or focused.


Really? I think the last episode cleared up all these things and clearly reinforced the message the show was carrying. ;)
 
07-19-09, 9:57 AM

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Fabienne said:

same question here...
any ideas guys???


No any idea, that's what we call a big plot hole.
 
07-31-09, 11:56 AM

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It seems as if I didn't have to reply on that one for hoohirai and the others to notice one of the plot holes I was mentionning (the biggest).

Fei while certainly a good show from a lackluster season it is by no means great.

*Sigh*

It has been over a week since I watched the last episode and well my memory on the show isn't perfect I missed the chance for a debate. I should check posts from this section more often in the future.

 
10-07-09, 3:45 AM

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roku11 said:
so after all the arguments im guessing that no one noticed that m.bison made an appearance in that last ep xd


ZOMG YES!!!! I totally said to my self...wtf M. Bison from street fighter!?! I know this is off topic as hell, compared to how much ppl are arguing about this and that *coughEmmanuelVR > close minded re-re'sCOUGH*...any way...

I THINK, the original NeoHuman Casshern thing from way back in the day -checks wikipedia- .. 1973-74, I think they had the whole look of Braiking Boss made, and that the last fight in Sins was a throw back to that. Meaning ZOMFG, Street Fighter copied off Casshern?! o-0 it wouldn't surprise me with how damn stereotypical nearly every charachter is, Guile being one of the worst.

Also, as for when someone said Lyuze was a kid so Ringo must not be special, I call B.S. bc it was happening during her acid trip like dream episodes, and I think it was symbolism, and she was never that little. It showed her sister as little for some parts as well, but as an adult she looked way more robotic and less 'advanced' compared to her 'sister' Ryuze. I dont think they were 'sisters' but rather nearly identical models, altho Ryuze was an upgrade..This is apparent in her superior fighting skills and being able to hold off the ruin so long.

And to break it down to you people, I think the most basic robots are the Mega Man like fighting ones. Then are humanoid but still all metallic ones like the Painter guy, then I think there is ones that emulate biological humans, but have mechanicall or cybernetic parts, like cyborgs, so maybe partially human, like Lyuze. I think at the time of Braiking boss this was as advanced as it got, until the humans created a 'lifeform' not clearly human or robot or cyborg or any thing, but made up COMPLETELY of nano-machines, which would be Luna. meaning she is tons of microscopic robots. This would explain how her blood can regenerate any thing, including giving her self and Casshern who got too much of her blood in and on him, Immortal. Also when their blood mixed, nano machines got spread to the wind ruining robot kind in some unforseen way. This is probably because Leda, Dio and Casshern were Braiking Bosses experiment to counter act Luna, the new next-gen thing, and they were vastly incomplete compared to how perfect in form and function Luna was. Also Leda and Dio or who impregnated her did work, but nobody knew it. I surmise this was due to fighting and the end of the world. I conjecture that Casshern and Leda and Dio were pretty much failed alglamations of all the technology's. I think Casshern had nano-machines to kill instead of heal, and that fucked up everything. And Dio and Leda were probably more biological than most robots, thus being able to create Ringo. Altho I am not saying Dio is the father, it could of been any one, and Dio may of had some other purpose not related to Leda or Casshern. Casshern having the opposite nano-machines compared to Luna makes sense, because the ruin got spread bc Braiking Boss and Oji fucked up and didnt complete their technology. You can even tell whatever scientist made Luna was far better than Oji and Braking, bc his 3 kids, Hote Hotie and w.e. were advanced as hell too. Also to further demonstrate why I think Casshern had killing nano-machines is the fact that some times he would BARELY fucking touch a robot and it would like explode and disintergrate. But stronger robots wouldn't perhaps because their armor or in Dio's case perhaps anti-nano-machines would counteract this. I am just talking run of the mill super old models like the mega-man like enemy fighter robots. FINALLY to get near the end of my post, much later after all this b.s. Oji found Ringo and she is the true next gen ANDROID. An Android being a fully biological robot. But being fully liviing you could say she is basically human or a clone. Its up to perspective. Also I think the metal things on her were just braces since as someone said in one of the episodes Casshern was freaked out as hell she was bleeding. The rust was probably just on her metal braces, maybe she was frail but grew out of them. A lot of people take the easy way out of this and dont THINK about shit could be explained and say oh it was artsy and there were plot holes. But if you think about advanced science and stuff from other games and anime, you can understand this. The ONLY plot hole I saw it that Oji said he was gonna study the thing the Hote and Hotie and the kid gave them, the nano-machine core rock thinger...then it was just brushed under the rug, due to a lack of funds and/or rating/popularity. I cant really blame them for that. Maybe they wanted more epic of a story but had a lot of things stopping them. Sorry to ramble on, but I wanted to get my thoughts out since some peopel here seem kind of close minded and lazy. x3 sorry to sound cocky and judgemental but I feel strongly for no real reason about this. Oh and I think EmmanuelVR is awesome xD

M. Bison Boss pwnz us all :X
 
10-07-09, 3:52 AM

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lzumi-chan said:

Also when Casshern was going to go kill Luna, his helmet was broken the same way as Dio's. When did that happen I don't remember it.

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When Dio was Fighting Casshern the last time, (possibly second to last, sorry)one of his punches knocked off his thing, then later he barely managed to dodge a punch casshern threw to his face, but his punch went thru INTO Cassherns chest. This is probably why he chose to say he 'defeated Casshern' and happily died or w.e. with Leda soon later after and wot not. I mean if Casshern wasn't immortal he would of beat him in terms of skill pretty much.
 
10-07-09, 3:56 AM

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Jarmel said:
Makes perfect sense. They summed up Ringo's specialness by saying that she was the daughter of a robot but it seems was also part human. The metal bands around her head means that she was half robot. The decay killed that part of her. However we know that she was part human because she grows up. The stone allowed Ouji to realize that Luna was death, that was its whole point.

Casshern became the devil to Luna's God. In the last episode we saw how Casshern totally rejected her philosophy of granting immortal life based on seeing that town(in which it almost seemed that people wanted death or some sort of destruction) and his past experiences. He didn't want to kill her though as he was sick of fighting. However Lyuze's final line showed him that people want or need life. He decided to became essentially the boogie-man and remind people(or robots) that they can still die as he can kill them. This allows people to truly "live" as they don't know if Casshern will kill them. You can see this in Luna's expression as she imagines Casshern as a monster.

They perfectly explained Breaking Boss and Luna as characters. Breaking Boss was somewhat a good guy as he felt human civilization was becoming corrupt and so decided too wipe it out. He however became fed up with death(partly due to the ruin) and so decided to help Luna. Luna never liked killing people and so her "death" early on was liberating for her. Instead of granting death she could grant happiness through life. It seems too much of her blood though is poison and will grant death or mutation as seen through Leda. Luna's blood was also really a temporary measure as it seems that robots would still rust even with her treatment(as seen by that robot graveyard) and if past a certain point Luna's blood wouldn't do any good. As Duke said the Sun doesn't give anything but has to continue to shine, so I guess they need Luna's blood multiple times.

Ending reminds me alot of BSG.

9/10 as this was a great psychological anime into the minds of a dying world. The art was great and created a very desolate world.. The plot didn't explain some small things but delved into its topic and theme very well. Characters developed pretty well and give some insight into their background.


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WELL SAID :X I wish I read this before going off. The Stone thing makes sense, I just dont get why three kids had to like do a ritual thing and make it seem super important just so he could study it to learn some thing semi obvious and obscure. I'll accept it tho. I was more being imaginative thinking it was nano-machines and if released the right way in the atmosphere could counter act the ruin so things could semi go back to the right way or all the way. Kind of like how in some movies when there is a disease killing everyone and there is no way to cure it, you find a person who has immunity and make an antidote or pathogen cure from the blood of the immune person. I thought it would be like that, but no, it was more like Devil vs God fuck-you fest xD Everything else you said was spot on! Good show man
 
10-07-09, 4:01 AM

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Shiny rock = part of some thing from the lab of the guy who made Luna (never shown in show, some old human scientist who died perhaps as far back as hundreds of years ago or at least 20-some.) Its probably some thing he used to make nanomachines which could attack pretty much anything on a cellular level. See my other ramblings for more info. It is pretty much a plot hole but as Jarmel said, it was just a plot device so they could learn more about Luna. I just wish it had been more important, and many people get confused bc it seemed so important when it really wasnt. It seems like the whole ep it was in was about it, but really it had under currents about Leda's past, and Ringo's which shows they are daughter and Mother etc.
 
10-09-09, 5:08 PM

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HooHiraiBunny said:
sick742 said:
Fabienne said:

same question here...
any ideas guys???


No any idea, that's what we call a big plot hole.


Can’t say I ever saw the shiny rock as a plot hole, since they gave you enough information by episode 21 to deduce what happened to it.

After saying it was worth studying, Oji stayed behind at Luna’s old home and presumably did that. He then returned in episode 21 and told Casshern and co. about Luna’s past. The rock was referred to as Luna’s ‘nano-cells,’ probably a key component in her make-up that would give a mechanic like Oji plenty of insight into her utility.

You just have to pay attention.
 
10-09-09, 8:20 PM

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basically what he said. I wish people would get more into this. I missed out by watching this 2 years too late I guess. Nobody gives a fuck about the hype no more >.<
 
11-29-09, 12:41 AM

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lyuze died, therefore it gets 7/10 instead of 8 =P, the ending could have been better but was sufficient, i liked the deep psychological aspect of this anime, however in my opinion ergo proxy beats it.
 
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ramensempai said:
Shiny rock = part of some thing from the lab of the guy who made Luna (never shown in show, some old human scientist who died perhaps as far back as hundreds of years ago or at least 20-some.) Its probably some thing he used to make nanomachines which could attack pretty much anything on a cellular level. See my other ramblings for more info. It is pretty much a plot hole but as Jarmel said, it was just a plot device so they could learn more about Luna. I just wish it had been more important, and many people get confused bc it seemed so important when it really wasnt. It seems like the whole ep it was in was about it, but really it had under currents about Leda's past, and Ringo's which shows they are daughter and Mother etc.


Just wanted to add one thing.
I think Ringo was given the shiny stone, which I agree is some sort of nano-machine technology based core, because that is how she can become the next generation of robots. She said herself, in her teen scene that "all the robots will eventually become like her" or something along those lines.
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04-05-10, 12:18 PM

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great anime. I agree that begining had deeper and more impressing atmosphere. Even drawing was better (atleast for me). I heard it had smth to do with sponsors and that stuff... That's sad. Anyway, I heard they are dubbing it for USA. I hope Casshern will succeed very well, that might mean that they create smth more like ova or even season 2 (dream on :)
 
04-30-10, 12:34 PM

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so casshern goes on last rampage; too bad oji and lyze had to die in this episode too
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05-15-10, 3:39 PM

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Finnaly finish this one. Great show with intense atmosphere, and nice animation and OST

The story itself seems have many plothole but if you analyze it, its not that bad

9/10 from me
 
06-14-10, 1:17 AM

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Love the show sure alot of questions weren't answered but at least it had awesome fights with casshern and dio heck even braiking boss :D i would love to see another tatsunoko franchise reboot. after seeing tatsunoko vs capcom casshern FTW :)
 
07-09-10, 1:29 AM

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There were some really great ideas that pretty much ran out after 12 episodes.
I agree with this. The first half of the series, where he was wandering the earth, meeting people was much more interesting than the whole thing with Dio, Braiking Boss and Luna.

Episode 5 (the one with Sophita) remains my personal favorite.

So Ringo survived? How? We knew she was partly human, but didn't she have robot parts? Perhaps those parts weren't all that important...

There is something I found distasteful. Casshern didn't let Luyze heal herself just because of his stupid (even if somewhat right) beliefs. And when I say let, I mean that he just let her follow him, he should have forced her. What would you do if someone you love is dying and he can be cured if he takes his medicine? You'd try to persuade him to take it, right? (I am not including Ringo, because she survived at the end, so it doesn't matter)

Although I want to, I can't give it more than a 7 or a possible 8. There were just too many flaws to call it a master piece...
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09-08-10, 11:24 AM

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Great series, you just have to pay close attention even though the pace is slow you can still miss important stuff.
The ending was a bit rushed but i seen worse and it was still great.


 
09-30-10, 2:57 PM

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This series was just a fantastic treat for the eyes! The art was absolutely wonderful and the music was spot on. This is one of those series I will never forget watching.

As for the story it could of been tightened up a little bit, a second season is not needed but it would of been nice to et those plot holes filled in.
All in all I really enjoyed watching this 9/10
 
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