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pkKodama said: Spirai said: I feel like they shouldn't have gone into the 5th District like that to begin with. Yes, they were curious and yes, injustice was being done there, but they're living in a foreign country. As peculiar and immoral as another nation's practices may appear to you, that doesn't mean you insolently barge in with your idea of justice and impose new rules based upon your flimsy will. You have NO right. Although the three of them may be young students- I expected them to know better. What did they think powered those magical tools? Didn't they ever wonder how people with little magoi could use such an array of magical devices and never become exhausted? Did Aladdin learn nothing from the case with the pirates' magical tools? This trio is laughably naive. Nevertheless, they act as though they deserve some sort of honorable medal for 'saving Marga'. They have the audacity speak out against the established jurisdictions of the nation's government with absolutely little to no knowledge about the history behind the district itself! How DARE they just stroll right in and start throwing a whiny fit because things aren't functioning according to their specific moral standards! How impertinent can you be to trash years of effort because in your head, it makes you the 'good guy'? Government is not a throwaway game you play whenever you feel like it, son. You'd have to be an impudent, self-centered brat to be able to so easily disregard the fundamentals of a society from which you benefit without even attempting to understand the reasons behind specific undertakings. I realize Titus may be more emotionally unstable and possess personal reasons that lead him to cling onto Marga like a pet (him being Scheherazade's tool and all) and that Aladdin and Sphintus- as intelligent as they are- required some experience to serve as lessons for the future, but seriously, they have no idea how freaking LUCKY they are to get such lenience for their disrespect! If this had happened in any other powerful country of today, they'd be exiled at the very least. Instead, they get a grand lecture from the head of Magnostadt himself. It was certainly moving and even convincing in some aspects- nevertheless, it is clear that not all 'goi' are greedy animals as the headmaster has labeled them as. It is possible for magicians and non-magicians to coexist, but the first step towards that will involve the eradication or updating of magic tools. I doubt that Mogamett would even consider that- in fact, he seems rather eager to go to war to prove his newly founded nation as indestructible. This ought to be an interesting moral clash for Aladdin and possibly Sphintus- though I doubt Titus will pay much attention to it seeing how disposable he feels already- so the next episode ought to have some interesting reflection. Do you know something called "principle"? Aladdin, Sphintus and Titus do, and have all the right to be against that stupid system. I never said they had to change their opinions and act as though they agreed with the system. I said they had no right to start rioting without knowing all the facts. It was idiotic for Titus to say he'd get all the people in the 5th District out when he didn't even KNOW that most of them CHOSE to be there. That's being unreasonable. Instead, if they had logically requested to hear the ideology lectures as insistently as he whined to have visiting rights to Marga- they would have gotten in the legal way. Even if they had been denied any legal way to get in, that doesn't mean they didn't try. Only then would I tolerate their breaking in and wrecking havoc on the place. Overall, I do realize this is an anime and the best way to intensify the plot line is to have our protagonists barge right in and struggle with their perspectives later, I'm just adding what I think isn't right onto there for those who think this may actually work in real life. |
Shangetsu said: Erzaa said: But to those who don't, they shouldn't have to be forced to live like that. They aren't forced. Goi can live on the level 4 district which have very good condition for Goi, more than in most other country in Magi. Children are forced to follow their parent's path but it's the same in every other country so it's not fair to blame only Magnostadt for that. Actually, that's partly correct. Anyone who can't pay tax will automatically get thrown down into the 5th district. So getting to the 4th district isn't as easy as it may seem. |
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IronLobster said: Actually, that's partly correct. Anyone who can't pay tax will automatically get thrown down into the 5th district. So getting to the 4th district isn't as easy as it may seem. If you work, you have the money to pay taxes. If you choose to be unemployed, you don't have money and go to 5th district, when you can eat, drink and f*ck for free. I have a feeling, that in manga this system was described better and it was obvious there, that only lazy bum's are in 5th district and they are free to go out of there. But they don't want to. Seriously, I think Magnostadt's system is perfect system with just one flaw. They need to build schools in district 5th and give children from that schools magical tools that prevent them from Magoi loss until, let's see, 16yo, when they can decide to go outside, or to stay here. |
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| Good episode, that back story mad me sympathize for the old man but blaming every human for the faults of few is like blaming every magician for the faults of few and by doing what he did to those humans underground, he is at fault. |
| I can't wait for Aladdin to destroy all the shit but of course he won't do that... I have noticed that Aladdin didn't commit a single mistake yet. I mean, he didn't say a single wrong thing, he didn't do anything that can be considered "bad" or "evil". It is like if he was some kind of saint, or, a perfect person. Not sure if I like that... But if my theory is correct, then Aladdin will actually fight for the old man. I still don't trust the old man. I mean, one of the most powerful wizards in the whole world, more than 80 years old, would open his heart for a bunch of students and reveal his true intentions? I think he is hiding a huge plan deep inside his heart. Aladdin is so naive. And I still wonder about what is happening with Alibaba and Morgana. But thinking twice, I don't even want to see them. Their training is so boring (especially Morgana's one) |
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| Feeling that Mogamett is just trying to brainwash the students in his "ideology lesson". 1st step in starting a war - Tell a very sad story that will make the magicians hate gois Somehow I have a feeling that Aladdin might actually follow his ideals |
| I mainly see the animes... so don't blame me for not knowing about the Manga/LN |
| Damn what a way to weave a story, even I started to take his side. Mogamett has turned out to be an interesting character, he reminds me of Makishima from Psycho-Pass in the sense that he truly doesn't believe that what he does is wrong. That end scene with the nobles turning into swine and beast was just an incredible allusion to the reality that humanity is filled with those who lust for dominion over others and aim only to please their own base desires. |
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Minagatachi said: Probably already one of my favorite villains in Magi. Villain? I think that old man is a good guy doing the right thing by the wrong way , which neutralized the badness of him :P He got his reason...poor old man.. |
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| Magicians received such a cruel treatment.. When the principal's daughter died, the feels... |
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| Amazing episode. The biggest problem here is that Moga is NOT evil, not really. He's not doing it for the evulz, he's not taking revenge, he's not torturing goi for fun. He truly believes he's doing the right thing. And that's what makes him so dangerous... |
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| This was a good episode. This second season continues to be superior to the first. I'm glad there's more to this city and its discrimination than meets the eye |
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| Wow, really moving, what a past the nation has. . . |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Damn what a way to weave a story, even I started to take his side. Mogamett has turned out to be an interesting character, he reminds me of Makishima from Psycho-Pass in the sense that he truly doesn't believe that what he does is wrong. That end scene with the nobles turning into swine and beast was just an incredible allusion to the reality that humanity is filled with those who lust for dominion over others and aim only to please their own base desires. Makishima's goal really wasn't wrong actually. His methods on the other hand can take some consideration but still no way to bring down a system without getting your hands bloody. Anyway this headmaster guy really just fell in to the generalization trap. No not every human lusts for power, it's just that those who do will be the ones with the power abusing everyone since they are free to get such power because all those who don't want it let them get it since they don't need it. |
Monad said: Anyway this headmaster guy really just fell in to the generalization trap. No not every human lusts for power, it's just that those who do will be the ones with the power abusing everyone since they are free to get such power because all those who don't want it let them get it since they don't need it. Well his point was that magicians aren't motivated by such things and that they only seek knowledge. I guess this is my favorite episode so far, really enjoyed it. |
dragonshade said: In real life's term, Scientists should rule instead of ignorant and corrupted politicians Unfortunately, scientist and scholar are also too interested in knowledge and learning than to try grabbing power and wealth to rule. As a result, the most power hungry and corrupt people often get their way into power. |
| is it just me or does the mages story seems kinda like the jews |
| This is one of the best series of this season. Really powerful!! |
| Shockingly good episode! The events that took place were really brutal to watch but it's just another example of Magi rising above my expectations once again. |
| And sometimes, we get good episodes. |
| In the flash back they talk about how magicians were used to do menial things, like conjure water, build houses and heal those that are sick. But when they wanted to they had a lot of them killed. Then they had to serve in the war. Now even though its really sad (especially when his daughter died in the war D=), what they are doing now is just oppressing those that are non magic users, how are they any different? |
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Hannah_Ana said: I am just...speechless. A powerful episode. ^ |
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| holy shit that was HUGE Jump in quality, the 14 last episodes were pretty average but this one is just on another level. |
| just started watching the 2nd season of magi, and daym the previous epi and now this. totally moved by it, that at times its no longer about right or wrong its about taking a path and doing something about it.nothing goes right in the world so why bother doing things right, what's right for you will be wrong for others. just do what you chose to do -right and wrong the division created by people for self satisfaction, so as to name themselves right and thus believe to correct the wrong- |
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| I feel bad for mogamett's life. |
| If you want everything you'll end up with nothing. |
| Best episode of Magi so far, and I'm not even joking. 10/5 |
| I loved the episode. Really tense and catching. I feel for the old man. Though I HATED the choice of the ending theme in the last seconds, that was horrible. |
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| Pretty dark information and backstory this episode, pretty nice development though! |
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UnbornMVs said: This episode left me speechless. It was splendidly done. |
| I guess I really am coldhearted. I felt nothing :/ |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| A lot of people are assholes, you can't deny that. But there are a lot of non-assholes inside the 5th area, which makes it wrong. |
| The music that started playing at the end was so nice - was that the ending song? It sounded nice over the voices. |
| Powerful episode. Am I the only one who relates the "Goi" meaning to today's "gaijin"? I wonder if the writer was secretly xenophobic and was subtly hinting at their current prejudice feelings? lol I'm thinking way too much into this. |
| i felt like that episode turned into an intense philosophical depiction of the book Animal Farm. weird |
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| What an amazing episode! Easily one of the best episodes of the series. God, I love this show so much. |
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| I still don't see how they are any better, they saw Goi as livestock and "goi" saw them as tools . . . Both subjugated one another however the magicians did it on a much grander scale. If anything the head mage is nothing more than a hypocrite. I'm disappointed that the entire city goes along with his hypocrisy and not one person realizes it . . . Bleh. |
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giamon said: The FEELS! You end up pitying the old guy for what he's been through. Pretty much that, this anime likes to play with my feels. IronLobster said: 5/5 This adaption is everything I hoped for so far. The last scene was done so well with the nobles turning into beasts. That ending T_T, this series is really awesome though. |
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| I know that it sounds strange but... I´m agree with this "dumbeldor impostor", Magicians should lead the world, but i don´t feel necessary to use humans as cows or pigs are used... |
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| What an intense ending! I'm liking the new ED theme. I get the argument and symphatize somewhat on the magician's side, but it all boils down to faux Dumbledore's preconcieved notions about how gois are. It looks like he had to hang with a horrible bunch. So maybe it's okay if they become a sort of magicians' haven, however if they are expanding the borders his argument fails imho. Anywhoms, cool ending. |
| Unexpectedly powerful episode, hopefully more to come :D |
| Wow... The emotion at the end... Just amazing, Sana dying... And everything that has happened to Mogamett... What an episode, not a lot happened but the intensity of the ending wow. 10/5. And the ending music playing while he was speaking and seeing the humans turn to pigs... It was an amazing scene. |
| Magoi underground resource facility . Ideology of Magicians and Non-Magicians . Truth of the known entities called Magicians . Changes we can only thought for the better, became significantly overpowering . Lust to Dominate . This is why Harmony wouldn't be that easily achieved . Which is why Realization needs to be establish . Truly a Powerful Episode . |
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| I'm really speechless. The whole Mogamett's speech about the past of the mages was really well done, and the performance of his seiyuu just made the whole thing even more powerful. The best thing is that despite how brutal the condition of the gois of the 5th Level is, Mogamett is not really evil, just extremely racist and blinded by his bias and belief that mages are superior to the goi, as he let the goi the posibility to ascend to other levels to be useful for the society. The great flaw of his system is that he should give a chance to all the children who born in the missery of the 5th Level and that want to be useful, like Marga. The ending scene when the nobles turns into beasts in Mogamett's eyes along the ending gave me shivers. Really liked how they approached this kind of issues about who should have the power and how even the people who the best intentions don't necessarily do the best actions to achieve the peace, who also happens in real life. So far, this second season have been best than the first. Hope the series maintains this level to the end. |
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| I don't understand Mogamett... He seems to be good, but he's second half is bad. White rukh shows his good intentions, but not only good intentions count, sometimes the effects turn out to be bad. Waaaah, I don't want Titus's death!!!!!!!!  |
| Funny how people were commenting that Mogamett reminds them of Hitler, when whole Magnostadt is actually more based on (((Our Greatest Ally))). A state that used to be Musta'sim (Palestine) is now taken over by the formerly oppressed Magicians (Jews). Except that the part where the Magicians are forced to work for the Goi reminds me more of WW2 Germany. The Magicians wore badges, just like the Jews wore yellow stars, and they were worked to the bone and discriminated, which is exactly like how Jews were treated in Germany back then. Even the word Goi comes from what Torah calls non-Jews (Goy, Goyim), and some extremist Jews actually think that everyone who doesn't have Jewish blood in them is as lowly as cattle. |
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