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01-11-10, 11:55 PM

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this series just proved that any1 with the name Rei can not be trusted....
 
02-21-10, 7:03 AM

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Tsunami said:
I just marathoned it and this is my thought proccess:
It's Rei!
{Rei is crucified}
Can't be Rei!
It's Eiji!
{Possibility remains}
{Eiji dies}
It's Haruka!
...
{Haruka was kinda left out}


It's Mizuki!
{Mizuki becomes very ill, it can't be her}
It's Hajime!
{Everyone dies except for Mizuki, Yuu & Hajime}
Mizuki is insane..
...
It's Rei.
WHAT THE FUCK.
well yes, that's about it.
Although I enjoyed it, it had loads of holes.
- Mizuki healing.
- Rei .. alive?
- Mizuki hanged and stabbed..



you forgot the yuu part.
where everyone thought it was him cause he didn't have a barcode and lied about it
 
03-05-10, 8:44 PM

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this series just proved that any1 with the name Rei can not be trusted....

lol
 
03-25-10, 7:56 PM

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I knew Rei would be the one behind everything. Sort of reminds me of the theories that Battler had in Umineko about someone faking their death and then going on to murder the others.

I hated the ending though. I was hoping that at least Hajime (my fav character in this series) and Yuu would live. And wth is up with Rei's hypnotism? Mitsuki was in a coma, but she woke up from healing the hypnosis through a phone. Ridiculous.


 
03-31-10, 2:24 AM

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hmm it was fine :| but too bonal nano desu >.>
 
05-08-10, 4:17 AM

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I love when evil defeats good.<3
Average story, perfect ending.Yay for Rei.
 
06-02-10, 6:32 PM

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God damn. Ending pissed me off. But I have to admit, the twist was well done and I'm glad that there's still some stories out there that have the bad guy winning...
but, really? I wanted Mitsuki to be released, bad Rei go to jail, and Hejime survive. I also wanted, obviously, Yuu to survive. But that didn't happen... :(

In all, I really enjoyed the story. Really creeped me out. It should be an anime(:
 
06-19-10, 3:47 AM

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I like the story at first but characters died so quickly and the wolfs founded so easy.
Ending was very bad and hypnotism is so cliche. I was hoping more interesting end. It was going to an 'awesome manga' to end. 'Cause the wolfs are randomly and how Eiji can sleep? Really? A guy captured you, and you are going to die but do nothing?

By the way why Rei killed Yuu?
 
06-27-10, 2:34 AM

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i also marathon'd this today :DD
From the biggining, when they said about the hipnotism, i new the wolf was rei, i dunno how, but i had a feeling, and when she died, i was like UHU! nao she can kill the people easily!

and then with the whole mutzuki thing at the end, and i was like damn! D: i thort i was right T.T

BUT THEN I WAS RIGHT! and now i feel accomplished :D

and this reminded me of saw :| but all in all it was pretty great :) i dont ussually read this kind of thing, but i enjoyed this :D
 
07-07-10, 9:54 PM

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I was right about Rei being the culprit :), I don't mind if the antagonist wins, but I didn't like her that much. Once they found the first wolf the tension went down witch was disappointing.

6/10 It was fun, but nothing special.
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08-15-10, 4:54 PM

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Marathoned this as well, I had a feeling it would be Rei, but there were moments where I went back on that and considered Yuu-what if he had a split personality?

Their motives were kind of stretching it for me, at least, but I guess if you really consider one's stability..
 
09-04-10, 12:15 AM

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The ending was ok.

Well I am bored of all that story's where the good ones win,here won the "wolf".
I was from the begining on sure it the wolf is Mitsuki.....but?????? xD
Rei??Rei????Well I was sure she is dead ( and I think everybody thought the same)


 
10-18-10, 6:01 PM

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i'd give it a 7 for keeping me entertained, but from the very beginning it was obvious what was going to happen. as soon as i saw the cover page of rei holding the rabbit head, i already made my prejudgment of her being the culprit, still it was an interesting read, i just wished that the ending would have been thought out more
 
11-16-10, 1:43 AM

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oddly enough...this manga reminded me of saw!
"In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same."

 
11-19-10, 8:33 AM

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You know, I find it interesting how many people say they like this because the bad guy won, which, according to them, makes it unique. Uhh, as someone who's a big-time horror fan, in American culture at least, it's the norm for the villain to win. Think about all the classic horror movies. Does the evil guy ever really stay down and out? No, in fact it's a staple of American horror cinema for the good guys to think they've won and then only realize they haven't really at the last moment. So I think it actually makes this way more cliche to have the wolf come back at the final moment after the good guys think they're safe than if they'd just flat out won/gotten out alive, the end. So maybe all those people saying that aren't fans of the horror genre usually, or maybe they come from Asian horror or other nation's horror, but to an American fan, this ending is the definition of horror cliche.
 
12-12-10, 10:02 PM

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HOLY SHIT YANDERE WAKES UP
HOLY SHIT CONVENIENT FRUIT KNIFE
HOLY SHIT PAGE SHROUDED IN DARKNESS
HOLY SHIT SHOCKED FACE OF IMPENDING DOOM
i lol'd
 
12-30-10, 2:11 AM

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oddly enough...this manga reminded me of saw!
I was just about to say this!! And really the fact that they both use the same plot device of the actual bad guy pretending to be dead really adds to this similarity.. I wish it was more mafia-like because I really like the game mafia but it ended up being more like saw :c
Still pretty good though.

Though I'm confused how Eiji died if Mitsuki was shown to be in the bathroom then? Did they explain how that happened because if they did I missed it... or did they say for sure that Haruka had killed Eiji? *was marathoning and so probably just missed some detail*

 
01-19-11, 2:01 PM

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wow... that ending was certainly interesting. I don't think there's that much more to say


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02-09-11, 6:45 PM

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Lame ending! >:(
 
07-29-11, 6:00 AM

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Well, I knew it would be Rei since someone spoiled it for me.
Um, honestly, I expected such an ending because I have yet to see a horor manga which ends well (I haven't read many of those though) so I'm not surprised. It still sucked though.
 
09-01-11, 10:40 PM

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Wasn't a bad ending. Just...What the hell. The hypnotism thing was insane.
 
10-02-11, 6:46 AM

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Predictable and ridiculous plottwists. The ending was okay. Still, overall pretty stupid. Not sure yet whether I'll give this a 5/10 or 6/10.

Also why does MAL say it has 21 chapters?
 
10-24-11, 8:35 PM

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How is it that Mitsuki, who is under restraints and on death's door, suddenly break through her bonds AND gets a weapon AND evades hospital security AND knows where Yuu's room is?

I agree with you, but the only thing that you forgot is that Yuu was in Mitsuki's hospital room when he was talking to Rei.
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10-29-11, 9:44 PM

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It says in the database here that it is 21 chapters but it seems like there are only 20? Where does the extra 1 come from?
 
12-13-11, 6:39 AM

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it was awesome till the latest chapters..
it's good that it turned out to be rei in the end.. however, i just don't really like the whole theme about hypnotism..
i mean the WHOLE time everything was like so "REALISTIC" and then you get some kind of supernatural-troll-ending..
while the "ending" is not even an ending and one could easily add a sequel..
(which is kinda ridiculous.. since i really doubt (hehehe) it will ever get one..)

it wouldn't even surprise me if the new mastermind in her new manga (judge) is rei
i don't know, but i'm kinda disappointed.
 
12-13-11, 5:26 PM

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It says in the database here that it is 21 chapters but it seems like there are only 20? Where does the extra 1 come from?


It's a chapter to celebrate the release of the drama CD, ti's a prelude. It has nothing worth reading...
 
12-22-11, 4:22 PM

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This was pretty obvious until the troll ending oO When I first started reading I thought "Yeah the killer has to be a woman, and its most probably the first woman thats introduced."..and she was the most suspicous throughout. but the ending...it was hypnosis, yeah, right..wouldve prefered the yandere ending.
 
01-11-12, 7:57 PM

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Hate the ending, Love the story. I was really hoping that the last 3 would be alive or all the things were a joke or some kind of TV show but it not.......and seriously?
Hypnotism?...............the one who uses was so crazy.
 
03-19-12, 10:56 AM

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Love the story, but like everyone else, the ending was disappointing. Hypnotism really was no good. I wish in the end there would have been only one wolf. But, I guess it was a really good series up until the end, so it's not like I can complain too much.
 
05-01-12, 7:33 AM

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Went bad after rei appeared again, lame ending.


good read still.
 
05-29-12, 7:45 AM

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Hypnotism is op.
 
06-19-12, 8:32 AM

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Wait , is it over oO ?
 
07-11-12, 6:52 PM

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I agree. What a gay ending. Hajime was my favorite character. =_= I don't understand how he got there so fast though and wasn't he in a wheelchair? Why should he be investigating in that condition? Anyway, I'm glad this story ended. It wasn't much of a thrill to read, just more of an OK/meh feeling.
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07-14-12, 5:56 AM

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Absolute Cock block of an ending.
This is NTR level.
 
09-16-12, 3:43 AM

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Hey guys, sure was lucky they didn't try and get Rei off that makeshift cross, huh? Or look particularly closely at the body and realize that her wound wasn't fatal and she was breathing. Or, you know, go back to that room for any reason at any point in time after everybody had discovered her. For instance, if they had thought to try her bar code.

Hell, what if they had stayed in that room for a while, in order to stay safe with the killer on the loose? Then Rei wouldn't have been able to do anything, and would have been found out really quickly. She really underestimated the ability of shock to paralyze a human and not be able to do anything. The fact that this particular group was incredibly quick-witted saved her.

Also, why did Rei stay on the makeshift cross long enough for the second group to discover her? How did that help her in any way?

Oh, and it's certainly lucky that apparently in hypnosis what happens is that the memory just makes shit up for what happens while you're under the hypnotic spell. Because if she was having blackouts or (worse yet) her consciousness was aware of what she was doing but she had no control over it, there would have been a clear sign of such, if she didn't outright say anything, or even try to.

I'll be generous and assume that Mitsuki was told to be there via hypnotic request, so her even being a part of the group at all isn't a massive plot contrivance. I'll ignore the whole idea of "love overcoming hypnotism" being complete bullshit.

The whole timeline still confuses the hell out of me. Rei still HAD to have been the one that killed Eiji (the point where it became obvious to me that Rei was the killer), so... wait, was it Mitsuki that killed Haruka? I honestly can't remember. Because if not (and really, even if it was), there was no point in the hypnosis at all. Just have Rei be the one running around killing everyone. It works so much better, and you can remove the whole contrivance of hypnosis completely.

The ending is still nonsense though. So, she was... pretending to be in a coma? No. She couldn't have fooled the hospital staff like that. So... was she in some kind of mystical hypnotic coma? How would that even work? How did she get free from her restraints, disconnected from her equipment, and find a weapon all without Yu noticing? Goddamn this ending makes no sense. Just do it Saw-style and have Rei close the door and let Yu, Hajime, and Mitsuki die. If you REALLY want an "It gets WORSE" ending, then just have Rei somehow hypnotize Yu via the cellphone and make him her new killing buddy. That's what I was expecting her to do.

It is also quite convenient that one of the people in the forensics team assigned to this particular case (or this series of cases) just happens to also be under Rei's hypnotic spell, and that he can conceal all this evidence without the rest of the forensics squad noticing. And that he also happened to be the officer that accompanied Detective Hajime (that twist was also BS, by the way).

I could probably keep going, if I thought about it a bit more. This was basically like Cry_Wolf for most of its run: a kind of stupid but interesting horror story based off Mafia, a game I really enjoy. But that whole sequence of twists at the end was just incredibly stupid, came out of nowhere, and managed to even out contrive Cry_Wolf. Combined with the problems I had pre-twist, I can't give this higher than a 3/10 in good conscience.
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09-21-12, 8:05 AM

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Ending really sucked.
 
10-23-12, 7:39 AM

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I liked Doubt ^^

It was enough scary and crazy for my taste, it even included my favorite type anime girl.

I bet Yuu really died, actually I was hope for it before ending chapter...



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01-28-13, 5:20 PM

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I have to start off by saying that I knew from the beginning that the wolf was either Mitsuki or Rei and it turned out that I was right. The story was pretty predictable. The plot twists were easily explained and nothing confused me. One part that I did like was the characters. For whatever reason I found the characters mostly interesting. The art was also above average. I would recommend this to someone who is looking for a non-complicated gory murder mystery. In the end I wish there was more romance between Yuu and Mitsuki. I ended up giving this a 7/10.
"When life gives you lemons, make orange juice, then sit back and watch the world wonder how you did it."
 
05-13-13, 10:35 AM

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horrible ending.
and the start was so good.
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05-28-13, 11:13 AM

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6/10

last two chapters totally meh. Hypnotism? that girl was in coma state, but after hearing the keywords, she woke up and grabbed the fruit knife (who the hell left a knife inside a murder suspect's room?) and tried to kill him? i wonder, is it really possible to do that using hypnotism? Not a good way to end the story :(


and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'|
 
06-16-13, 8:06 PM

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Finished it. I liked it, I've never read a manga like this before. Unfortunately from the start I figured it was going to be Mizuki.

Eiji and the Doctor would have been too obvious and Haruka just seemed a little to irrelevant I guess for it to be her. Which left Mizuki a girl (it's usually a girl) who seemed the most innocent based off her friendship with Yuu.

Oddly enough my second choice for who the Wolf is was actually Rei, I was half expecting her to not actually be dead and for her to be using some hypnotism.

I didn't think there would be two Wolves though so it was a bit of surprise at least.

I was expecting maybe Eiji to show up again because they never fully showed him dead.

I'll read Judge next.
 
07-10-13, 5:33 AM

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Just read the whole series and i have to say that i'm very disappointed to manga readers in general when lot of really poorly written shitty series like this get good ratings.
 
08-30-13, 1:45 AM

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Wow. Really? The author is just throwing in twist after twist, stitching it together with the most incomprehensible bollocks and hoping that it works. Mitsuki being the villain was already dumb enough and then there's this. I'm sorry, but there is no fucking way that she would be 'hypnotized' into brutally murdering (sometimes innocent) people all because her father died. Boo-hoo, so tragic.

There was also no explanation as to how the hell Rei faked her death at the beginning of the manga. And for some reason Hajime participates in a game that's linked to teenage disappearances and expects nothing to happen in return? Sure.

Oh, and then there's the ending. Apparently saying a single sentence on the phone is enough to wake somebody from a coma and pull a knife out of fucking nowhere (which the hospital staff and/or police would have confiscated ages ago). Great! Absolutely believable!

This is trash.
 
08-09-14, 9:25 AM

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horrible ending.
and the start was so good.
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08-16-14, 9:49 AM

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I don't really like the ending. Maybe it's new or unique since it was the antagonist wins! But i really... Don't like it. Not my cup of tea...

The story it self is good tho~ and i'm okie with gore theme story. I just don't favor the ending since i really like Yu and Hajime.

The ending twist isn't that original or maybe i just read so many similar twist... But the best suspect is the person who is least suspicious. And here the culprit is the first victim. LoL meh~
 
11-04-14, 12:25 PM

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gay ending
This.


This was a Final Destination ending, from the moment Hajime got killed. Don't you just hate that kind of endings, that two characters get away SOMEHOW and then they get killed in the last minute? I personally do, as it's really pointless and its a quick and cheap way to add more tragedy and thrill in the very end.

I think that good titles usually don't need that.
 
12-11-14, 1:25 PM

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sweet :3
 
12-27-14, 10:50 PM

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I just marathoned this today.

Whew. That was a strange, strange manga.

Because I'd seen another work where the first person who died was the criminal, I figured immediately that Rei was the wolf. Especially since after she died, I don't remember them using her barcode. Because she would be the most cumbersome to lug around, I would have dragged her body (or at least cut of part of her leg to make carrying the key around easier), but she's just left there. Her body was never touched... Not to mention, she was in a wheelchair. Anyone who watches old American mystery movies knows it's always the one in the wheelchair. That was so suspicious to me. Because that's who I thought it was, I was hoping so much that it was literally anyone else, even the main character who had been a second personality.

When Mitsuki confessed to doing all this, I was like "Oh. Guess I was wrong." And I was quite happy to be so, because I did not see that coming. And then we find out it was Rei after all... drat. Oh well.

From the moment they mentioned hypnosis, I wondered how much of anything was reality. With the exception of what happened to Hajime at the end and making Mitsuki believe her father was alive, I didn't like anything else the hypnosis was used to accomplish. Hajime's end, I thought, was pretty cool.

Oh, and the guy at the monitors in the rabbit mask, totally caught me by surprise XD. That was awesome drawing right there. The picture where the guy looks at you and his creepy face takes up the whole page spread. Nice.

I get that Rei wanted revenge on those that didn't believe in her... But I vaguely remember Yuu sticking up for her craft earlier... Perhaps... Anywho, if hypnosis can't be given credit for these crimes, what exactly has she accomplished... Not to mention, how did her first wolf manage to get all of those people to the hospital by himself? From a public place at that... Weren't the girls in a women's bathroom or something perhaps? I don't remember... And I probably won't read that part again XD

Eh, everyone already mentioned the plot holes...

Overall, meh. I'm completely neutral.
 
01-01-15, 11:50 AM

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I'd like to say that this manga started off really badly and it didn't improve even later on. :|

I doubt it would have gotten worse, but nope.
 
01-19-15, 4:18 PM

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That was a somewhat entertaining rehash of the idea presented by the famous Agatha Christie novel "Ten Little Niggers" (now titled "And Then There Were None" for whatever reason).

Whist reading the last few chapters, I was actually hoping for this to go with the route of an Infinite Tsukuyomi casted by Rei. Alas, it was close, but no cigar. Sad-face. :(
 
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