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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
874 74.13%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
125 10.60%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
79 6.70%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
54 4.58%
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07-07-12, 11:14 PM

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This was so amazing, I'm glad that I took a chance and watched this anime, its definitively one of my favorites now, also I'm actually really happy that we got a happy ending because of all the sad stuff I think I would have gotten really depressed if it didn't at least have a happy ending XD Up until today this has been the only anime to ever make me cry, other sad anime sometimes make me get tears on my eyes but this one actually made me cry on several occasions. I don't think I will ever forget Clannad.
 
07-11-12, 6:11 PM

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This is my rewatch after seeing it two years ago and I still think this has a stunning ending. It DOES fit with the hidden world. It may not have been explained in the best possible way, but it's nothing putting 2 and 2 together can't solve.

The way I see it is that things becomes more clear when Miyazawa is talking about the light emitted from rested souls, as she was at peace over her brother's death, and the light emitted from her. Every arc brought about another rested soul (each with their own light), and much like the wish that Shima had with Misae (hence why he was dead, she wanted to be with him forever, and is why the cat was there), as soon as Tomoya tied up the last rested soul in his father, he to was granted a wish for his effort in bringing everyone at peace (helping Fuko celebrating Ibuki's wedding with many people, bringing Kotomi finally at peace over her parents death, doing his best to help Tomoyo achieve her ambition with the sakura trees, revealing to Misae that her wish was granted, showing the two Fujibayashi sisters that love can come from friendship, bringing Sunohara to realise that Mei is worth his love and protection, and finally putting his father at peace for all the hard work he put in raising him). You could see that the large amount of light was absorbed by Tomoya as his father left. That is his one wish. Only Ushio could see it enter him however.

This is where the hidden world comes in, as Ushio (the girl) knew he could make it back. But the only way he could do that is to remove all doubt in wanting to meet Nagisa in the first place, and the only way to show his the way was by showing him what happens when the curse of burden is on you, as with the death of Nagisa and Ushio. (he had that lingering feeling throughout series) That was his curse, and removing that doubt, the doubt that meeting Nagisa at all, lifted it. It brought him back to the moment that he felt in his heart that lifting the curse would make a difference from his burden: Ushio's birth. With the curse lifted from that wish, Nagisa pulled through, and they were able live life without concern.

I did play a bit of the visual novel so it did offer some help with explaining the light but it's got so much depth that it can have multiple meanings. The changing surroundings, as well as the constant talk of nothing stays forever was a clear forshadowing for loss, as well as other things.

I'll just finish by saying it was even better the second time round. Clannad AS is my favourite anime BAR NONE.
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07-18-12, 11:46 AM

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i not quite understand this episode, but just hoping tht ushio is the only 1 that alive and save by her mother(spirit/orb), rather than nagisa also revive. maybe the story want to show us regarding parellel world, which they all discuss when they are gathering at the house when nagisa is pregnant.
 
07-24-12, 10:55 PM

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SpudUK said:
This is my rewatch after seeing it two years ago and I still think this has a stunning ending. It DOES fit with the hidden world. It may not have been explained in the best possible way, but it's nothing putting 2 and 2 together can't solve.

The way I see it is that things becomes more clear when Miyazawa is talking about the light emitted from rested souls, as she was at peace over her brother's death, and the light emitted from her. Every arc brought about another rested soul (each with their own light), and much like the wish that Shima had with Misae (hence why he was dead, she wanted to be with him forever, and is why the cat was there), as soon as Tomoya tied up the last rested soul in his father, he to was granted a wish for his effort in bringing everyone at peace (helping Fuko celebrating Ibuki's wedding with many people, bringing Kotomi finally at peace over her parents death, doing his best to help Tomoyo achieve her ambition with the sakura trees, revealing to Misae that her wish was granted, showing the two Fujibayashi sisters that love can come from friendship, bringing Sunohara to realise that Mei is worth his love and protection, and finally putting his father at peace for all the hard work he put in raising him). You could see that the large amount of light was absorbed by Tomoya as his father left. That is his one wish. Only Ushio could see it enter him however.

This is where the hidden world comes in, as Ushio (the girl) knew he could make it back. But the only way he could do that is to remove all doubt in wanting to meet Nagisa in the first place, and the only way to show his the way was by showing him what happens when the curse of burden is on you, as with the death of Nagisa and Ushio. (he had that lingering feeling throughout series) That was his curse, and removing that doubt, the doubt that meeting Nagisa at all, lifted it. It brought him back to the moment that he felt in his heart that lifting the curse would make a difference from his burden: Ushio's birth. With the curse lifted from that wish, Nagisa pulled through, and they were able live life without concern.

I did play a bit of the visual novel so it did offer some help with explaining the light but it's got so much depth that it can have multiple meanings. The changing surroundings, as well as the constant talk of nothing stays forever was a clear forshadowing for loss, as well as other things.

I'll just finish by saying it was even better the second time round. Clannad AS is my favourite anime BAR NONE.


SpudUK if you see this comment thank you for explaining this to me, that explanation made this one of my favorite, if not my new favorite anime!! Such a beautiful journey through AS
 
07-27-12, 2:16 PM

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This was a terrible way to end a series, IMO.
Some parts of this post may be exaggerated.
 
08-05-12, 1:35 PM

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Stop complaining.
This series was overly dramatic and I think it needed a little happiness to balance it out and this was it.
The series always had undertones of magic supernatural things. But maybe this episode overdid it a bit.
Oh well, I still liked it.
Although the first season was much better than this one. It had the comedy balanced out with the happiness and drama.
 
08-05-12, 3:49 PM

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Very good episode overall , but at the end Fuko annoyed the sh*t out of me .
 
08-06-12, 12:59 AM

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I hate deus ex machina so much.
 
08-06-12, 2:42 PM

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Wow, I had a hunch that the final episode could bring some kind of happy ending, with a low chance, such as that Ushio and Tomoya would be ok and all. But this ending was a total surprise! I so couldn't expect it... And I gotta say, animes have made me cry a few times, but never out of happiness xD Congratulations, Clannad!

I was prepared for a sad ending and would've been fine with it, and was prepared to give Clannad 10 despite that. This ending, however, made this anime even more perfect if that's even possible. I'm so glad it ended this way :)

Nuff said

superman89 said:
Glad everyone is all safe n' sound, but the latter half was a slight disappointment. Not a big Fuko fan to begin with, but felt there should have been more with Tomoya, Nagisa, and Ushio. Instead of hamburgers and what she can or can't call herself. I know there's alot of Fuko fans so please don't slam me too much, just my thoughts.
Agreed
 
08-12-12, 3:27 PM

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I don't know, it seemed kind of like a "Oh we want to give the fans a happy ending" after all this sad stuff happened. Ending it right when they died (Idk if Tomoya did or not) could have been a good ending, perhaps showing them together in an After Life if they wanted to go that route. Perhaps more showing of their life as a family would have been cool too.
 
08-13-12, 1:04 AM

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Episode: 9/10.

Series: 10/10.

Tissue Boxes: -10/10
 
08-20-12, 3:02 AM

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Magic in Clannad exists since Ep1 of the first season.
People are complaining about magic and Deus ex Machina in the last ep....

Still more realistic than other anime


Foxley88 said:
Honestly, I love Clannad to bits but the ending was so cheap and unnatural. I felt it would have been better with a sad ending, like Air. Kanon had a better ending even though it was pretty cheesey, it was better than this.
If Clannad had a sad ending then theese tears wouldn't be wasted. Key did not have the balls to do this to Clannad. If they did it with Air, why not Clannad??

So... bad ends because of the supernatural(like Air) are fine but good ends are cheap?
 
08-23-12, 2:57 AM

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Well, a tad unrealistic for a finale but wraps things up nicely, we get to see a montage of what has happened to all the other characters.

Was a bit confused at first but my guess is that the lights of the city gathered together to grant a wish for Tomoya, which was for Nagisa not to die during childbirth. All well worth it to see the whole happy family together. =D
 
09-19-12, 9:19 PM

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An incredibly symbolic and subtle tale, and a really well-told plot by Key/Kyoto Animation. Restrained storytelling and mostly smart writing made for a pretty effective storyline, and all-in-all it was pretty compelling. I still couldn't get used to how 'moe'-ified it was, though, but screw it.

Anyways, this series probably deserves a re-watch, if just for a more thorough understanding of why/how/what things were happening at certain points in the show in particular. Overall, though, I'mma go ahead and give it a 7/10, mainly for its mature execution of its main theme(s) and an overall volume of emotion that would be much more poorly handled by a lesser company/visual novel developer, 'ey. So props for that.
"What are you trying to prove?"
 
09-21-12, 5:11 PM

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Eternal-Dragon said:
^ Confusing? How exactly o_0

You cant compare Season 1 to Season 2, since they are almost nothing a like.
Season 1 concentrates on Comedy, while Season 2 to is more about Drama.

Its obviously complicated for some people to understand. People that doesnt get whats going on then, use this link:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/infiltrator65a/inte%20buggat%20album/1236943573387.png

this helps a lot, thanks. so basically what the anime did is show what WOULD have happened had he not helped all those people out, but then it goes on to show what actually happens at the very end?
 
09-21-12, 5:51 PM

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Tekky99 said:
So reading all these speculations, i can't hold myself any longer

The truth behind the illusionary world and the light orbs:

*phew that was long, hopefully that helps

viewed in this light, its a pretty beautiful story actually. i wanna play the VN now. also i think im gonna give this a 10.
 
09-22-12, 12:45 AM

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ssjokg said:
Magic in Clannad exists since Ep1 of the first season.
People are complaining about magic and Deus ex Machina in the last ep....

Still more realistic than other anime


Foxley88 said:
Honestly, I love Clannad to bits but the ending was so cheap and unnatural. I felt it would have been better with a sad ending, like Air. Kanon had a better ending even though it was pretty cheesey, it was better than this.
If Clannad had a sad ending then theese tears wouldn't be wasted. Key did not have the balls to do this to Clannad. If they did it with Air, why not Clannad??

So... bad ends because of the supernatural(like Air) are fine but good ends are cheap?


>.> No, the way it was pulled off was cheap. Kanon ended good and it was better at ending it. Obviously you don't seem to pay attention to what anyone says.

LovingHate said:
Stop complaining.
This series was overly dramatic and I think it needed a little happiness to balance it out and this was it.
The series always had undertones of magic supernatural things. But maybe this episode overdid it a bit.
Oh well, I still liked it.
Although the first season was much better than this one. It had the comedy balanced out with the happiness and drama.


First season was not better. It was good but not better. Most of the arcs were incoherent and boring. Kotomi's was an exception and Nagisa's was the most important one. And no, I felt the drama in the first season was more contrived, like repeating scenes in the Fuko arc. After Story didn't get that dramatic until the 2nd half.
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09-22-12, 3:56 AM

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Foxley88 said:
ssjokg said:
Magic in Clannad exists since Ep1 of the first season.
People are complaining about magic and Deus ex Machina in the last ep....

Still more realistic than other anime


Foxley88 said:
Honestly, I love Clannad to bits but the ending was so cheap and unnatural. I felt it would have been better with a sad ending, like Air. Kanon had a better ending even though it was pretty cheesey, it was better than this.
If Clannad had a sad ending then theese tears wouldn't be wasted. Key did not have the balls to do this to Clannad. If they did it with Air, why not Clannad??

So... bad ends because of the supernatural(like Air) are fine but good ends are cheap?


>.> No, the way it was pulled off was cheap. Kanon ended good and it was better at ending it. Obviously you don't seem to pay attention to what anyone says.


Cheap eh?How so?What was the point of all those orbs that randomly appeared in the series and the scenes of the Illusionary World if in the end they just are there to fill the remaining screen time?

You say that Kanon was done better.
I make no reply to this.But since you want that I will do.
You say that Air was better because it was sad because of magic.
I reply to that.Yes I dont pay attention at all >_>

In Kanon, 2 characters were save because of that wish.One of them dies anyway in the VN as far as I know.While I think that it was a miracle that his aunt survived the accident,having both of them healed miraculously is as cheap as Clannad's end.

KEY has the balls to kill its characters, just because you dont like the fact that they were saved in Clannad it doesnt mean it was cheap.
 
09-27-12, 8:16 PM

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I felt SO BETRAYED! I have so many posts about losing any shred of manly dignity to fountains of tears, and then this episode made it all for naught.
(Much of this was because the Naoyuki part really hit home with me.)

However, here's to you, SpudUK, for helping me come to peace with this episode.


To you sir, I tip my hat. I will watch Clannad After Story time and time again now, with no regrets.

Now to my victory laps with the extra episodes! Huzzah!
 
10-20-12, 8:02 PM

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My happiness is immense (gonna presume thats how you spell, probably isn't but oh well). I was seriously considering not finishing this anime after Nagisa past, but I'm glad I did now XD
 
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