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right, so you are willing to risk 5 minutes of 3 billion people's lives and couple hundred billions because you are too cheap to spend 5k/5mil a year, whichever the case might be

Don't know if you're being sarcastic but its not like Google has full control of the search engine market throughout the world. Still funny though =P

you have to be very naive if you think that half a day without google outweigh spending 5 million dollars a year. stop being a consumer and think from a business and revenue standpoint for 2 seconds and you will see why

We're in a recession here, those guys are probably last on the list in terms of needing that kinda money

less revenue for those guys means less jobs out there. trust me. any major websites down without a database for a day or 2 isn't good for ANYONE. if bank of america website goes down for 2 days it'll pretty much have to declare bankruptcy, and i'm pretty sure that's not an exaggeration

I'm not really a businessman so I doubt I can put myself in their shoes. Though I am aware that a single day off the net could mean millions upon millions of dollars lost on revenue. Hell I would think that's why they invest so much into redundancy and whatnot.

And didn't Bank of America declare bankruptcy already? Or at least they should have if they didn't get some pork fat money. If they still have their internal network operational, I doubt a downtime on their online operations will affect them all that much. I'm not saying they won't take some losses due to a down website, but saying they will go bankrupt because of that is ludicrous. Again this is assuming their internal network is still operational and business can resume as usual. Though good the internal network...intranet will probably go down as well if something happens to its online counterpart. Though I have seen a down online website but its intranet counterpart still operational. Don't know how to explain it since I'm not all that proficient with networks =P

Wait why are we talking about this again?

I was explaining why multi core processors will never replace distributive computing in datacenter environment.

Bank of America didn't go bankrupt. Hell, I use the bank; they have better not gone bankrupt on me.

If a database is down, it's DOWN. Networking issues might be intermittent and partial (which is why they happen much more frequent), but once a database is down, the company is pretty much comes to a grinding halt until it gets restored. It's not the matter of the web site not being up. You won't know x corporation's assets. You don't know the mortgage took out by company y. You can't enroll any new accounts. You have zero transactions whatsoever. They can manually audit every single transaction that takes place, but it will not even account for 1% of all the transactions that would have taken place if everything is automated like it is now.

Bank of America was just an example because it's a bank I use. I just used a bank for example because I thought it would be obvious the effect of a defunct database would have on a bank. The same holds true for almost any national and international banks. Given the mission critical nature of cash flow in any major banking system, if you completely stop any trade for 2 or 3 days, you might as well pack your suitcase.

Well it won't matter if the bank goes under since they are a part of the FDIC. Your money is yours unless you have more than 100k in one account. You'll lose your money if the government ever goes under, but hey not like that money is worth jack shit if it does anyway xD

Oh you are talking about databases? I thought redundancy prevented such a thing from ever happening? Though I guess a nationwide blackout plus your generators failing might happen once in a blue moon, but doubt anything will be happening anyway if such a thing occurs. Hell a couple of days of this and you'll see people rioting out in the streets...

Yeah you just lost me there since I don't know too much about this subject xD

right. and a multicore server, regarding of data redundancy, will still die if that running server dies, hence my original pep talk regarding the importance of distributive computing over multi core processing. database is basically all the business info of a company, like all the numbers and the names

money may not be worth jack shit atm, but if bank of america goes down you can bet money won't even be worth enough to wipe your ass with. it's nice to know that us regular citizens are "sanctioned" by the us government. but then again, most people don't really realize that the us government is already over 12 trillion dollars in debt, and while that figure isn't exactly growing on an exponential rate it's higher than linear and it's getting up there.

regardless though, if it were really to happen, fdic would have to basically print more money without any real backing (as we have been doing for the past several decades), further deflating the currency

this new seagate hard drive is pissing me off. second replacement, and it keeps making some random disk access noise (think maxtor) that's conspicuously similar to a slowly dying bearing. i don't feel like keep trying my luck until i get a good drive cause microcenter will probably be a dick about it. plus from the shitty quality control exhibited thus far i'm not sure how long a good drive will last. i dont want to rma and get a refurbished POS though. i wonder if i can talk them into letting me refund or switch drive without charging me the 15% restocking fee, seeing as how they are the one selling a bad batch of drives

Yes yes I know what a database server is ojii-san ;)

Well that's what happens when you operate on a credit economy, couple of fruitless wars here and there, and a supposed bail-out plan based on more debt...

Does the US currency still use the gold standard or do they just keep on printing money?

Hmm I've heard bad things about the new Seagate drives, especially the Barracuda or something. There is supposedly a firmware fix for it, but doubt it will help fix a hardware defect. I haven't dealt with Microcenter so I wouldn't know, but don't hold your breath if you think you'll escape the restocking fee if you go for a refund. You may be able to switch the drive for a new one if you can convince customer support that what you got was a POS, but you'll still have to pay for shipping =P

Hmm is it just me or does the fonts look funky?

microcenter is actually right down the street, well more like 10 minutes drive
i'm going to ask for refund without restocking or i'll just call bank of american and reject payment. it's bad enough they are selling defective equipment and wasting 2 days of my time trying to make it work. they sure as hell aint charging me for returning a broken piece of shit.

we've been using full fiat currency for over 30 years. and while debt has always been high i have o admit that bush almost doubled that amount in his 2 terms (obama also added an incredible trillion in the 3 months that he took office)

awesome, returned it without any problem. the tech was being a douchebag ("it's just some noise".... SOME NOISE? it's a fucking hard drive, have you never seen a failing hard drive before?) but he didn't say anything else as the manager did the override and gave me my money back

getting 2 of these instead. seems to have better reviews and a pretty strong 3 platter tb drive. now i just need to save up enough money to cough up for a new motherboard and raid controller and couple more of these drives

Ah bastard fiat tanks, useless POS xD

Hmm you definitely have more experience in this subject matter so question! I bothered a tech friend of mine to give me one of the OEM drives Dell sent. It's a 10krpm drive and has been performing superbly as my anime/manga drive. Yes I know I should be using it as an OS/game drive, but eh too lazy. So whenever I defrag the drive which causes random read/writes given that I rarely do it, the drive whirs like crazy. My 7200 and 5400 drives don't do this so I'm left to wonder if this is normal. Can't really compare it with other drives since its my only 10krpm drive. Though I honestly think that its just the normal whirring sound of a drive under heavy load, not the sound of a drive on its last legs.

Oddly enough, none of the hard drives I've ever worked with failed on me. Sure just about everything else manage to fall into pieces since I seem to have some magical death touch concerning my own computer, but none I've ever worked on failed on me yet. Oh sure I can diagnose if its the hard drive that's bork, but I've never heard an actual drive failing.

So mind if I ask what the hell you are planning with multiple 1TB drives?

well given the pricerange of hard drive nowadays it's actually cheaper to just build a multidisk array for backing up pretty much anything as opposed to dvds. since that was my primary method of archiving movies and anime i figured i might as well just start using hard drives, less management nightmare and some fault tolerance is always a good thing

regarding the noise, i can't exactly tell what "whirring sound" sounds like over the intraweb, but if you can hear it over your system fans something is up, especially if it's a newer drive. whenever in doubt you can always read the whitepaper on the drive and look up the acoustic specifications, provided you know the model and make. it could just be that the drive is an older model (even though then it's usually not a good sign, as loud seek noise is usually associated with maxtor, possibly the worst hard drive manufacturer on the face of the planet) my situation with the barracuda was that i can hear it over my 3000rpm ultrakaze at full speed, which is rated almost 50db alone. don't quote me on this but when the drive makes really loud seek noises, i think the arm is actually contacting the platter, which isn't suppose to happen but it does on any drive anyways. most manufacturers provide fault tolerance (ie up to a million contact over a sector before it goes bad) but it's never a good sign if your disc is constantly producing some noise. you probably won't get any errors from smart or chkdsk except loud noises, but your drive will wear down faster than normal, from a few months to few years

i've only had 3 3.5" fail on me that wasn't a doa, but going through even one of them is painful enough that you learn to back up whatever you can, whenever you can

True $75 for a TB drive? I'll probably end up buying two, create a cheap Raid1 setup, and call it a day.

Well the drive itself is quite silent when I'm only doing mundane things to it, such as watching an anime, extracting an archive, etc. It only really makes its presence known when I'm defragmenting it. I mean the drive only has the primary partition, is 150GB in size, and the drive is constantly read/writing. Oh its also a Western Digital and my other 6 year old WD drive is still performing like a champ. My computer itself is also quite noisy and I've already eliminated my drives as a noise source and I'm not going to turn off the fans during the Florida summer =P

Yeah I've been rather lax on data redundancy due to a zero fail rate on my drives thus far. I know its only a matter of time before one of these drives go bork...but eh xD

Oh and Shin make sure to use this coupon code "EMCLRMR54" to save an extra $5 per drive. Courtesy of http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1290735

Knew that drive looked familiar for some reason...

yea i already did, that's why i ordered 2, i mean it cant get much cheaper than under 7 cent for a gig

my hitachi 2.5" is one of the only laptop drives that haven't died on me yet so hopefully that's a good indicator for these new ones

currently testing windows 7. this thing seems pretty stable, but at the same time not that different from vista....

I'll move to w7 when xp stops receiving updates...

well anyway for some lulz