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03-11-09, 6:57 PM

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what is the meaning of everything! It's 21 - second to last ending!! and they still hadn't explained the vast plane, the doll, the mysterious illness, the light orbs...

Nagisa... Ushio... Doste ~~~
 
03-11-09, 10:21 PM

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Cmon, season 3! haha
I would like to see Ushio survive, but then again it could turn out like Nagisa ;_;

and yea, the double/triple/___ posting is a glitch
my previous post i hit "post message" once but it came out twice

Xrave said:
what is the meaning of everything! It's 21 - second to last ending!! and they still hadn't explained the vast plane, the doll, the mysterious illness, the light orbs...

you should play the game
 
03-12-09, 1:35 AM

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i dont know if i've ever wanted to cry so much from 1 single anime.. sunflower scene got me and nagisa's death now ushio................ but mostly the sunflower scene. i couldnt bear it. WTFFFFFFFFFFFF if tomoya did get that light of happiness that ushio saw doesnt that mean he can make a wish for ushio? if it comes from the deepest desires of his heart? cuz it did land in his chest and there was also the snowflake that melted in his heart. foreshadow? also if "deep connections" thing about the alternate worlds theory is true, doesnt it have to do with the wishes that tomoya and akki made?
 
03-12-09, 2:55 AM

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yoshiness said:
Cmon, season 3! haha
I would like to see Ushio survive, but then again it could turn out like Nagisa ;_;

and yea, the double/triple/___ posting is a glitch
my previous post i hit "post message" once but it came out twice

Xrave said:
what is the meaning of everything! It's 21 - second to last ending!! and they still hadn't explained the vast plane, the doll, the mysterious illness, the light orbs...

you should play the game

That's the only problem I have if they try a supernatural type ending. For those that haven't played the game have no clue as to what orbs, doll, and girl vice versa. They only briefly mentioned it once I believe about an alternate world. To throw all that in one episode is a shame, if they go that way....
 
03-12-09, 8:46 AM

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It is mentioned briefly about 4 or 5 times through season 1 into 2, explained a little more in depth in season 2 (by Misae and Yukine), and then the illusionary world is explained a bit (theory wise) by Kotomi in the first half of ep 16.
 
03-12-09, 11:59 AM

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Everything about the Illusionary World will be explained in chapter 22.

This is what happens in the game (spoilers obviously):

 
03-13-09, 10:53 AM

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after losing my comments about this episode due to the server crash, i will try to resurrect my old post:

i dont think ushio died in this episode, because all we saw is that she lost consciousness.
well, that "papa... daisuki" gave me the final blow, i was deeply depressed for the rest of the day. damn this show is like a roller coaster of emotions..........

this show is on the same level of making me suffer, like Air did.
no wonder both are made from the same coldhearted companies... >_>"
 
03-13-09, 3:11 PM

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Predseln said:

well, that "papa... daisuki" gave me the final blow, i was deeply depressed for the rest of the day. damn this show is like a roller coaster of emotions..........

this show is on the same level of making me suffer, like Air did.
no wonder both are made from the same coldhearted companies... >_>"


QFT. Oh man, I finished this ep last night and I'm still all depressed about it. Hurry up, SS Eclipse Subs for #22
 
03-13-09, 9:48 PM

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one of my favorite series i'll never forget it

though it doesn't come until later but it's just so sad X/
 
03-14-09, 12:10 PM

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Another tear jerking episode for me, but I'm still hoping for a good ending.
Same here
 
03-15-09, 2:46 AM

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Well this episode could very well be a sad ending for this Tomoya's long and painful journey. The episode was amazing, I kinda predicted what would happen when Tomoya took Ushio out... "Do you like snow, daddy?" *tears*
 
03-16-09, 1:25 PM

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Nagisa's death didn't even make me tear up so you can imagine what Ushio's death did - nothing =/ That said, Clannad did a nice job trying to make me cry. Even Air made me tear up a bit.
 
03-21-09, 6:30 AM

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T_T Ushio!
 
03-21-09, 6:33 AM

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Wot, doublepost
Modified by shewanie, 03-21-09, 8:02 AM
 
03-27-09, 8:41 PM

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Poor Tomoya! He's going to hang himself or something after this...I'm sad Ushio died like that, I was kind of hoping we'd see her grow up...
 
04-03-09, 7:02 PM

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It was sad...but not as sad as when Nagisa died. Me thinks it's because it was so sudden with some quick foreshadowing. Come to think of it...it kinda felt like the end of Air.
 
04-04-09, 10:20 AM

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This show is a lesson in how to break a man.

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees." By Emiliano Zapata
 
04-04-09, 4:39 PM

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Wow how much can Tomoya withstand, so many people die in his arms. What the, final episode? I thought 23 was final and 24 was the special episode.

Hate that this show is finished soon.
 
04-08-09, 6:14 PM

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Wow, just when I thought it couldn't be any more sad after Nagisa died and then this happens. I dunno what Tomoya did to deserve all of this... just wow.
 
04-21-09, 4:45 AM

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I've accidentally opened a spoiler and already expecting this even when AS haven't aired yet..

But...

Didn't expect it to be straight forward...


This will be like Higurashi from now on...
 
05-18-09, 2:47 AM

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Jeez, how much abuse can one man take? He feels attached to a certain individual and they end up dying in front of his eyes.

I really did not expect her to die, I thought she'd be the one to bring happiness into his life, but God damn was I wrong. Why did she have to be so stubborn about that trip?
 
05-22-09, 8:43 AM

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do they all have to die in tomoya's arms? ;____;
poor guy.


Indeed. ;_;
Arrggh.. I refuse to believe this.
Why must everybody die?
 
06-02-09, 9:11 PM

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WELL! fuck Tomoya's life!
 
06-16-09, 7:05 AM

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This episode made me cry......big time. When they steped out of the door, i was like "no.no.no.no!" and then i cried when she died and Tomoyas eyes went O.O


!Damn, im HOT today! :D!
 
06-19-09, 1:51 AM

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guys can anyone confirm at 19:07 i saw a person on the 1st floor..or maybe not
Live well - Laugh often - and Love much

 
06-19-09, 7:44 AM

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Poor Tomoya.
 
06-19-09, 7:48 AM

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guys can anyone confirm at 19:07 i saw a person on the 1st floor..or maybe not


There was definately someone. A male. Looks like either Yoshino, Tomoya or his father.
 
06-20-09, 4:35 AM

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Yeah, the scene at the snow was very sad. As for the person being at 19.07, yes, there was someone there. I think it was Yoshino Yusuke.
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07-03-09, 3:59 AM

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A bad chapter,coz it makes me close to cry a lot .
I can't believe it !
Why must be like that??
I haven't got the main purpose of life.Have you?
 
07-12-09, 6:46 AM

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Oh the pain was greatest when we realized Ushio was also going to die. It's like Tomoya suffered so much, and made so much progress, only to have it all lost. Ouch.
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07-13-09, 1:07 AM

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Hm that scene when Ushio and Tomoya walked together in the snow kinda reminded me of the scene at the beginning, where the girl and her doll walk together in the snow ^^
Destiny~
 
07-14-09, 7:22 AM

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I thought so too. Glad it wasnt just me who thought so.
 
07-16-09, 1:09 AM

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That happens in 1 time,but in different world .
But,it was changed when the girl in illusionary world told to the garbage doll that she will not be in there again .
I haven't got the main purpose of life.Have you?
 
07-16-09, 2:47 AM

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NOOOOO, freaking.....Nagisa, Ushio...
But more importantly, poor Tomoya.
 
07-17-09, 12:51 AM

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Ushio died.. I couldn't believe it. It's like fate is just taking a crap on Tomoya. Everytime he achieves happiness, that person dies. Man..
 
07-18-09, 12:46 AM

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Wonder how many more people are going to die that mean something to Tomoya =/
 
07-19-09, 5:38 AM

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Poor Tomoya .
I never imagined if his life could be happened in true life .
I mean,someone in this world has the same life like Tomoya .
TTwTT
I haven't got the main purpose of life.Have you?
 
07-22-09, 9:46 PM

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aero said:
NOOOOO, freaking.....Nagisa, Ushio...
But more importantly, poor Tomoya.


I know, I was thinking that the man suffered so much, death might have been the ultimate gift to him. So tragic.

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Ushio died.. I couldn't believe it. It's like fate is just taking a crap on Tomoya. Everytime he achieves happiness, that person dies. Man..


I kno rite. What ill fate.

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Wonder how many more people are going to die that mean something to Tomoya =/


A lot. Tomoya just has a rotten life.

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Poor Tomoya .
I never imagined if his life could be happened in true life .
I mean,someone in this world has the same life like Tomoya .
TTwTT


Now, that would be really sad.
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08-02-09, 4:01 PM

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******EXTRA GALACTIC SPOILER ALERT*****


Greetings, Fair Gentles! This is my first post and I am honored to have found such a great group who care about the Important Things - like good anime.

And after seeing Air first, the Clannad (2006), and Kanon, I feel that Key is a very important studio that is doing amazing and original work. And to start off with erotic games with stories so strong they get made into great "mainstream" anime is an amazing thing.

Now, I did have a bit of dread about this After Story, I mean I cried like a baby so many time during Clannad and the movie and it was clear after the first few episodes that I would have to witness the death of sweet Nagisa again. And that brings us to this episode.

Tomoya kills Ushio with his neglect. That is what I go from this.

This was not sad....it-makes-me-MAD! I mean, I am about to explode Neo-Tokyo or turn into a thousand Hulks ANGER!

First, a doctor comes to your house and says your daughter is sick and gonna die, you do not accept and hang your head - nnnoooooooooooo.

Maybe it is just the deep cultural differences but Tomoya should shaking the pillars of Hell or storm the Gates of Heaven or at least go to that shiny new hospital and DEMAND that they do everything humanly possible to save Ushio.

Where is that Japanese fighting spirit? MAKENAI!

And finally, he takes her out in the cold and snow and she dies.

HE KILLED HER! YOU DO NOT TAKE A SICK CHILD OUT IN THE SNOW!

I so still soooo amazingly anger and it has been months since I have seen it but I just cannot get over this.

I want Tomoya punished. And how could everyone - especially Akio and Sanae, leave this stupid young father who just lost his wife alone with this dying child.

AAAGGGGGHHHH!!!!

I read that Japan just had it's first jury trial. Judge or Jury, I think either would find that Tomoya is responsible for the death of Ushio and deserves at least 10 years or so in prison to think about his child care skills. And maybe a vasectomy, too.

I wish I had never started this After Story. I hate it.
 
08-02-09, 4:19 PM

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You're looking at it with the wrong angle. Ushio was going to die anyway, sooner or later, and Tomoya knew that deep in himself. After loosing Nagisa, he could not bear to loose someone else so dear for him, and so he decided to take the only last chance he could see to save Ushio (and him), that is going back the the sunflowers' field (he was in a very bad shape at that time too, there are some clues about it during the episode, and we see him dying just after Ushio). You can't blame him, everything else failed before, he just didn't know what to do.
 
08-06-09, 10:44 AM

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Perhaps, it was better for Tomoya to ignore Nagisa at the very beginning if tragedies await..

 
08-06-09, 6:55 PM

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You're looking at it with the wrong angle. Ushio was going to die anyway, sooner or later, and Tomoya knew that deep in himself..


I do not believe anyone knew that. I do not believe that Tomoya did enough to see if Ushio could be saved.


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After loosing Nagisa, he could not bear to loose someone else so dear for him, and so he decided to take the only last chance ...You can't blame him, everything else failed before, he just didn't know what to do.


Well, who *is* to blame? There is enough to go around. Ushio grandparents should have NEVER left Tomoya alone. Tomoya's famiy was clearly dyfunctional but that does not excuse, it only explains.

And I am sure part my reaction is cultural. I do not pretend to understand or even agree 100% with the Japanese way of seeing thing - any more than I agree 100% with my own sexist and racism culture (Texan).

but MADE ME MAD...and still does. I hate it.

Your mileage will vary.
 
08-18-09, 3:36 PM

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And this is why Tomoya should have married Kotomi, Tomoyo or Kyou!
 
08-29-09, 5:47 PM

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The ending is really annoying, it ruins the mood, they should put a happy scene before the ending or do a special ending
 
09-07-09, 6:52 PM

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WTF OH NO THEY DID NOT JUST GO THERE
EVERYONE DIED NOOOO BULLSHIT MOTHERFUCKER WOW

FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T GO OUT WITH YOUR DAUGHTER WHO'S BEEN SICK FOR MONTHS IN A SNOWY DAY. WOW RIDICULOUS MOTHERFUCKER

I'm ranting because I'm sad. :(
 
09-14-09, 1:18 PM

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When Nagisa died, I kinda knew it would happen...

But THIS...! Was genuine sadness...

I haven't felt true sadness from both series yet until now!

Each Key series had at least a couple of them. Air was in episode 7, 10, and 12. Kanon was in ep 9, 22 and one more, can't remember which ep...

While I still don't consider Clannad to be best out of the bunch, I will give credit to how After Story cleaned up it's act, and got to be the Key story it was supposed to be all along!
 
09-19-09, 6:56 PM

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The producers are the cruelest people ever.
I'd do ANYTHING to bring back Nagisa and Ushio this very moment.

COME ON! AS IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT UR WIFE'S DEAD, NOW UR DAUGHTER IS TOO!

WHO CAN TAKE THAT MUCH?!

Tomoya would just commit suicide. All big dango family dead. Sadly never after. THE END.

Though i doubt Akio and Sanae would follow..

"You know, you can still be a bro and a lady at the same time. Brolady, or something, sounds cool too, so it's Brotato approved." --GARBrotato
 
09-26-09, 12:05 AM

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God shit damn fucking hell
I can't fucking stop crying, damn it
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10-20-09, 2:43 PM

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Noooo!!! What happened to Clannad???
Why everyone need to die? >.<
 
10-30-09, 2:40 AM

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The only reason I didn't cry during this episode because I don't have any tears left from the past two episodes. Come on Ushio...
 
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