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whitehairgirls said: Shimohi said: I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this episode was really poorly executed. All of their episodes are poor written and executed. But that is what makes it fun. Sunrise knows how ridiculous they are being with these train wreck scripts. All that it matters is it still is very entertaining to watch. Yeah, no. Sunrise wouldn't put something out that they thought was poorly written and a "trainwreck." This makes no sense in any shape or form for them, as a company, to do. This anime is not nearly the "trainwreck" that some people on this website seem to think. |
AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: Because there are idiots here who think Shoko is at fault lol. Ah the old 'they don't see it the way I do, so they're idiots'.. I think you're the one that needs to get off your high horse.. Actually no I do not. I have given plenty of reasons on why Shoko betrayed Haruto. Everything was going against his way and she had no time to sit around and ask him more questions. I can understand why people might hate/dislike her for doing such a thing, but saying it is UNREASONABLE is just completely idiotic. |
whitehairgirls said: Esura said: whitehairgirls said: Esura said: KanameFujiwara said: Can anyone really blame Shouko? She was out of the loop. She was given limited information. From her point of view, the lies that those Magius made up might as well be the truth. I can understand her and truth be told, her reaction is absolutely reasonable. TQ No it wasn't reasonable at all. She sold out people who was protecting her for ARUS who killed up students right in front of her face with no remorse and she fell for a fake demand from them. Honestly, I hope Akira or someone sock her ass a few times. No it is completely reasonable. She found out Haruto has been lying to her this entire time. She thinks Haruto is behind those people dying from their runes being absorbed. She was in a DESPERATE situation and that was really her only way to save the people on board the ship. Not to mention with everything going on, she can't think straight and fell for the easy bait. She acted like how any other human would in her position. Get off your high horse. She never asked them if he was! She only asked if she knew about all that which he didn't deny. She jumped to conclusions too fast without asking more details. Most people would inquire about that more before they start needlessly doing reckless shit. Let's not forget about the fact that Haruto and the others were helping them escape and protecting them as they left. She probably would've died had it not been for Akira. Again she was in a desperate situation. Not everyone can be as cool as L-elf in these hectic situations. Also he just came back alive after being shot in the heart. He forgot about the cave. So she thinks this isn't the Haruto she has known her entire life. It's not about being abnormally calm as L-Elf, its the fact that she risk a close friend's life because he forgot a memory? Not going to ask what the hell is a Phantom or ask what are they? Or maybe not follow suit with the mob and maybe thought about that demand more since she had no legs to stand on in that demand since they had the full force on them and there is literally no reason they need her alive. Just before Akira saved her the ARUS president dude told the soldier to kill all of them so I don't get why she went along with that shit from them. People under desperate situations aren't completely devoid of reasoning you know. |
ex_necross said: whitehairgirls said: Shimohi said: I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this episode was really poorly executed. All of their episodes are poor written and executed. But that is what makes it fun. Sunrise knows how ridiculous they are being with these train wreck scripts. All that it matters is it still is very entertaining to watch. Yeah, no. Sunrise wouldn't put something out that they thought was poorly written and a "trainwreck." This makes no sense in any shape or form for them, as a company, to do. This anime is not nearly the "trainwreck" that some people on this website seem to think. Nah I actually believe that they did that on purpose. It made the show more entertaining and random. |
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whitehairgirls said: ex_necross said: whitehairgirls said: Shimohi said: I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this episode was really poorly executed. All of their episodes are poor written and executed. But that is what makes it fun. Sunrise knows how ridiculous they are being with these train wreck scripts. All that it matters is it still is very entertaining to watch. Yeah, no. Sunrise wouldn't put something out that they thought was poorly written and a "trainwreck." This makes no sense in any shape or form for them, as a company, to do. This anime is not nearly the "trainwreck" that some people on this website seem to think. Nah I actually believe that they did that on purpose. It made the show more entertaining and random. The other dude was implying that the company published something that they thought was going to be a trainwreck. This is absolutely ridiculous and he should feel bad for his idiocy. Nevermind, it was you who said it. You should feel bad for your idiocy. |
ex_necrossDec 5, 2013 9:18 PM
Esura said: It's not about being abnormally calm as L-Elf, its the fact that she risk a close friend's life because he forgot a memory? Not going to ask what the hell is a Phantom or ask what are they? Or maybe not follow suit with the mob and maybe thought about that demand more since she had no legs to stand on in that demand since they had the full force on them and there is literally no reason they need her alive. Just before Akira saved her the ARUS president dude told the soldier to kill all of them so I don't get why she went along with that shit from them. People under desperate situations aren't completely devoid of reasoning you know. People can do stupid shit in tense situations. Watch this video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybf6ykBbiTE. Any "calm" person would just close the box. But she panicked and made the situation worse by throwing the box in the air. You can't think logically in these situations. Also Akira saving them has nothing to do with this. She probably thinks Haruto is the cause of this, hence why she only gave him up. |
| I can understand that one girl acting on impulse seeing her dad die in front of her face and not really having too much of a close relationship with the pilots but man Shoko was on some other tier level of stupid. Sad because she was one of my favorite characters too. |
whitehairgirls said: But you didn't just say that it's idiotic to deem her response unreasonable, you said everyone that thinks she's at fault is an idiot. That's what makes you seem like the douche here. There have been plenty of reasons given that argue she was at fault. AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: Because there are idiots here who think Shoko is at fault lol. Ah the old 'they don't see it the way I do, so they're idiots'.. I think you're the one that needs to get off your high horse.. Actually no I do not. I have given plenty of reasons on why Shoko betrayed Haruto. Everything was going against his way and she had no time to sit around and ask him more questions. I can understand why people might hate/dislike her for doing such a thing, but saying it is UNREASONABLE is just completely idiotic. It isn't that she didn't have the time, it's that she didn't have the mental fortitude to control her emotions or trust in her soldiers. These are things a leader needs. It makes you think she's been sitting around twiddling her thumbs this whole time instead of trying to grow into the leader she stepped up to be. And again, you can't tell me she had NO TIME whatsoever to interrogate Haruto further. With how she's supposed to feel about him, you'd think she'd fight for it a little more hoping that it wasn't true, or, and I know this is crazy but, putting a little bit of trust in her closest friend that she supposedly loves. ex_necross said: Probably the greatest use of the edit function I've ever seen.The other dude was implying that the company published something that they thought was going to be a trainwreck. This is absolutely ridiculous and he should feel bad for his idiocy. Nevermind, it was you who said it. You should feel bad for your idiocy. |
AlexTheRiotDec 5, 2013 9:24 PM
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whitehairgirls said: Esura said: It's not about being abnormally calm as L-Elf, its the fact that she risk a close friend's life because he forgot a memory? Not going to ask what the hell is a Phantom or ask what are they? Or maybe not follow suit with the mob and maybe thought about that demand more since she had no legs to stand on in that demand since they had the full force on them and there is literally no reason they need her alive. Just before Akira saved her the ARUS president dude told the soldier to kill all of them so I don't get why she went along with that shit from them. People under desperate situations aren't completely devoid of reasoning you know. People can do stupid shit in tense situations. Watch this video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybf6ykBbiTE. Any "calm" person would just close the box. But she panicked and made the situation worse by throwing the box in the air. You can't think logically in these situations. Also Akira saving them has nothing to do with this. She probably thinks Haruto is the cause of this, hence why she only gave him up. Akira saving them has everything to do with it. She's one of them, hell after they shuttled off Haruto she asked all of them, including Akira to surrender. She was giving them all up. But even as an aside from this, did anyone, aside from the president who's in cahoots with the Magius, think after seeing that Saki video and after shooting the first kid who did not get up afterwards that hmmmmm all these kids might not be immortal? That's stupidity on a whole 'nother level. They systematically slaughtered a bunch of children without so much as a question. |
AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: But you didn't just say that it's idiotic to deem her response unreasonable, you said everyone that thinks she's at fault is an idiot. That's what makes you seem like the douche here. There have been plenty of reasons given that argue she was at fault. AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: Because there are idiots here who think Shoko is at fault lol. Ah the old 'they don't see it the way I do, so they're idiots'.. I think you're the one that needs to get off your high horse.. Actually no I do not. I have given plenty of reasons on why Shoko betrayed Haruto. Everything was going against his way and she had no time to sit around and ask him more questions. I can understand why people might hate/dislike her for doing such a thing, but saying it is UNREASONABLE is just completely idiotic. It isn't that she didn't have the time, it's that she didn't have the mental fortitude to control her emotions or trust in her soldiers. These are things a leader needs. It makes you think she's been sitting around twiddling her thumbs this whole time instead of trying to grow into the leader she stepped up to be. And again, you can't tell me she had NO TIME whatsoever to interrogate Haruto further. With how she's supposed to feel about him, you'd think she'd fight for it a little more hoping that it wasn't true, or, and I know this is crazy but, putting a little bit of trust in her closest friend that she supposedly loves. Okay I shouldn't have called everyone an idiot for thinking she was at fault. I was just venting at people who didn't see it through her perspective. Yeah it is crazy. The lover that has been lying to your face the entire time, one who just magically revived from a gunshot to the heart, and forgot an important childhood memory. I don't know how much trust you put on your friends/lovers, but I know I would have probably reacted like her. |
ex_necross said: Nevermind, it was you who said it. You should feel bad for your idiocy. You are kidding yourself if you think that Sunrise didn't know their plot was a train wreck. They made it obvious with certain episodes from the first season. Not all train wrecks aren't bad. |
whitehairgirls said: AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: But you didn't just say that it's idiotic to deem her response unreasonable, you said everyone that thinks she's at fault is an idiot. That's what makes you seem like the douche here. There have been plenty of reasons given that argue she was at fault. AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: Because there are idiots here who think Shoko is at fault lol. Ah the old 'they don't see it the way I do, so they're idiots'.. I think you're the one that needs to get off your high horse.. Actually no I do not. I have given plenty of reasons on why Shoko betrayed Haruto. Everything was going against his way and she had no time to sit around and ask him more questions. I can understand why people might hate/dislike her for doing such a thing, but saying it is UNREASONABLE is just completely idiotic. It isn't that she didn't have the time, it's that she didn't have the mental fortitude to control her emotions or trust in her soldiers. These are things a leader needs. It makes you think she's been sitting around twiddling her thumbs this whole time instead of trying to grow into the leader she stepped up to be. And again, you can't tell me she had NO TIME whatsoever to interrogate Haruto further. With how she's supposed to feel about him, you'd think she'd fight for it a little more hoping that it wasn't true, or, and I know this is crazy but, putting a little bit of trust in her closest friend that she supposedly loves. Okay I shouldn't have called everyone an idiot for thinking she was at fault. I was just venting at people who didn't see it through her perspective. Yeah it is crazy. The lover that has been lying to your face the entire time, one who just magically revived from a gunshot to the heart, and forgot an important childhood memory. I don't know how much trust you put on your friends/lovers, but I know I would have probably reacted like her. The lover that saved her life on countless times, the lover that didn't feed on her like those videos shown, the lover that came to their aid when they made the fake distress. Yeah, lets sell him out. That's fucked up. People usually don't go selling out loved ones in the matter of a half an hour without getting their facts straight. |
| Just watched the episode. I need some emotional support now. XD The mass killing scene was especially difficult to watch. HarutoxShouko is pretty much impossible now. At least Saki still wants his D, amirite? Haruto's screaming at the end gave me goosebumps. R.I.P Inuzuka. |
CrimsonPhantomDec 5, 2013 9:37 PM
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Esura said: The lover that saved her life on countless times, the lover that didn't feed on her like those videos shown, the lover that came to their aid when they made the fake distress. Yeah, lets sell him out. That's fucked up. People usually don't go selling out loved ones in the matter of a half an hour without getting their facts straight. The lover that got most of New Jior killed because he was too much of a pussy to actually tell the LEADER what was going on? None of this would have happened if he told her from the start. But no he declared himself a monster and just wanted to protect her by lying to her. |
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whitehairgirls said: Esura said: The lover that saved her life on countless times, the lover that didn't feed on her like those videos shown, the lover that came to their aid when they made the fake distress. Yeah, lets sell him out. That's fucked up. People usually don't go selling out loved ones in the matter of a half an hour without getting their facts straight. The lover that got most of New Jior killed because he was too much of a pussy to actually tell the LEADER what was going on? None of this would have happened if he told her from the start. But no he declared himself a monster and just wanted to protect her by lying to her. The outcome wouldn't of changed had she knew or not, since everyone died because of the Magius' schemes although maybe she wouldn't of shuttled him and L-Elf out though. The rest couldn't ever know because they would've reacted just the same. Do you remember how that other girl reacted and treated Haruto when she found out he healed his face? The other regular students would've been that much worse. |
AlexTheRiot said: whitehairgirls said: Because there are idiots here who think Shoko is at fault lol. Ah the old 'they don't see it the way I do, so they're idiots'.. I think you're the one that needs to get off your high horse. Esclair said: Shoko didn't betray Haruto. Haruto failed to remember the cave memory, which caused Shoko to think the current Haruto is monster that bodyjacked Haruto. Hence why she said the Haruto that she knew is dead. Well the lazy and convenient writing isn't Shoko's fault, but does their entire relaitonship hang on that one memory. Like I said, she didn't even give him the slightest chance to explain anything. Makes it seem like her feelings for him weren't all that strong. She gave him PLENTY of time to explain himself. During the conference, the one thing he ends up saying is that he knew about the phantom ship, which basically accidentally makes everyone thing the Dorssia footage is true. Shoko still stood by him, and rallied everyone to escape and pilots to fight. Even when her entire ship turned against her she was still on Haruto's side. Even after Haruto came back from life Shoko, while shocked, wanted him to explain , yet he basically offered no explanations except some words that only serve to reaffirm the fake accusations of the footage. It's only when he can't remember that memory does Shoko really believe that he's a monster, because he has given her anything to work with, as the footage is just too convincing. It even explains why the Valvrave pilots might be protecting the JIOR students (as food sources). |
| The ending was pretty epic but what a spetacular trainwreck. |
| Holy shit this episode was really intense, especially for Valvrave. bastek66 said: Who put Iori's father, scientists and Arus' reporter girl into Runes sucking machines? |
| Ever since the start of the series, my thoughts of it has always been teetering between thinking it's pure genius to thinking it's some grandiose parody that was going way over its head. So I think I finally had the epiphany after this episode. The writing is pure genius, or rather, I should say the manipulation of the plot and character development for these sort of situations, is pure genius. Taking everything into perspective, I don't blame Shouko for what she did; actually, I was very happy with it and I like her even more for her reaction. Otherwise, Haruto's first response to the Phantoms being "Why is it here?", despite being a completely natural and expected response, was the absolute worst thing to say, which didn't help the situation any, but I still think that a massacre was already predestined and Haruto actually telling the truth would not have changed anything. It's amazing how having the wrong reaction or Haruto just happening to forget the cave incident with Shouko changed so many of the outcomes; I guess now I have an inkling of what kind of storm is going on in L-Elf's head when he's mapping out strategic outcomes. But, the aforementioned can be said for the full run of this series. If I had to make a wild prediction at this point, I'll take a shot in the dark and say that Haruto will die, and at some point Shouko will become a pilot/holy spirit in his stead. |
| this episode was fucked.. everyone losing their shit,you would think after a couple of dozen people killed the ARUSians would notice *hey they aren't coming back to life?..* then again rational thinking was non-existence in this episode for many reasons. honestly though this episode just fuels my rage for seeing Dorssia get destroyed |
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| Oh boy... I've seen some mecha and stuff but this is getting rather crazy. |
| Dorssia really turned the tables. A Genocide and now Haruto's memories are vanishing :( Fuck you Shoko, but I understand her position. So they can die... poor Inuzuka :( |
whitehairgirls said: Amarrez said: Shoko is a horrible leader who would prefer to entrust her life to the soldiers that are currently killing all her friends instead of the mech pilots she has known for years who have defended her life countless times. Stupid wench. No you are just overreacting. She just found out Haruto has been lying to her face the ENTIRE time. She also thinks that the people whose runes were absorbed was done by Haruto and the others. The way she acted was how any other humans would have reacted in that situation. You know everything that is going on, she does not. If you want to rage your anger, put it towards Magius, Cain, Dorssian and Arus president. I know I can't wait for the end of these series when Haruto and crew wipes them out in satisfactory fashion. well how should haruto have told her then /// sorry shouko I turned into a bloodsucker will I saved your lives !! Even if she was a lil confused at the moment the real enemies where damn clear since long ago - their is no reason too sell out your best friends too someone who not just tried too kill you more then once but also has broken the promise of savety beforE RIGHT REALLY HOW SILLY CAN U BE |
| As the title says it "THE PRICE OF LIES". I expect nothing less than total hell and a lot of blood shed, with a lot of negative emotions and broken trust thrown in, mixed with intrigues. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Damn! this episode is sure depressing, Dorssian took the chance and frame them as monsters. Massacre everywhere. Inuzuka sacrifice his life just to save L-elf and Haruto :( and the betrayal =.= By the way, the insert song sounds familiar to me. sounds like Yuuka Nanri |
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| Damn, just damn.... This episode, just really... I don't know what to say here. Everything in here was crazy. They have been exposed to the public, a killing spree massacre in the school, Shoko sold everyone out, and that emotional ost impact song when Inuzuka made his last stand. I got to admit that Haruto true feelings about Shoko kind of teared me up a bit, despite that I don't like her that much. Well I want to see her regret for betraying everyone, including Haruto. The fact that this season is much more better then season 1, let's see how the next episode will look like and be the same like this one. |
skudoops said: i must of missed that guess that explains why they were all packing so much heat to almost wipe out the whole Modulekatsu044 said: this episode was fucked.. everyone losing their shit,you would think after a couple of dozen people killed the ARUSians would notice *hey they aren't coming back to life?..* then again rational thinking was non-existence in this episode for many reasons. honestly though this episode just fuels my rage for seeing Dorssia get destroyed The ARUS military there planned to kill everyone from the get go. The reason Dorussia exposed Rukino was to give ARUS a justifiable excuse to kill everyone on Module 77. |
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