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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Reina <3. Okay, so this episode was fairly good in general. The plot isn't too bad, it gives us more insight on Arisu and on Reina, the fight wasn't too bad and it looks like they're doing progress on the "convert Regina" thing, so it was fairly complete. It still had its flaws, of course. Like, Reina's past with Arisu and stuff would be far more interesting if, y'know, we hadn't seen Reina only twice so far counting this very episode. Then again later Cure seasons are terrible with not giving anyone but Cures, fairies and baddies any screentime. This is the first season without a single sibling to a Cure! Speaking of Fairies this was the very last time Lance could've got some focus, like Charles and Raquel did in their episodes, but he didn't do anything. It's also rather silly the problem the girls have with Reina's flower shop is she sells CHEAP; between this and last week's victime I'm now convinced Toei hates capitalism. This is a joke, for the record. In a serious matter I wonder why they bothered giving the victim of the week a selfish reason when Regina can bypass that, they probably forgot she can do that. I'm also kinda surprised Sebastian didn't have a spare rocket he could use to take all the Cures into SPAAAAACE, but I guess they wanted Reina to do something and have an excuse for Rosetta to talk alone to Regina. Nevermind they can fly and teleport, but anyway. And since I brought it up let's discuss SPAAAAACE. There are two possibilities here. One is they weren't high enough to leave the atmosphere, thus explaining why Arisu ejected before transforming, Rosetta fell down until the Pad's latest power saved her and they can all talk and breathe. OR Toei doesn't know how space works at all. This being Toei my money is on #2. Also I love how these rocks were far more effective than the seeds, that's what happens when you add the Flying type. The fight itself did have three flaws, with the last two being related. The first is Heart's dumb scene where Regina tells her she wants to talk and she Leeroy Jenkins towards her and gets shot because she's dumb. Of course Rosetta saves Heart before she can get hit and no one calls her out on how she just did a dumb thing. Come on, Toei, you can't tell children being reckless and trust anyone is okay. No one will be there to save these children when a stranger bribes them into a car with candy. But not with Candy since no one stands her, har har. The second and actually important one is they make a point of Rosetta being unable to fight and that she can only protect. This is true if you forget about Rosetta Balloon. Or that combination attack they used on Melan and they could totally do now. Or the time she shot her shield. Or her mad kung-fu skillz. Aside from that she can only protect, yes, you are very right. The third is not exclusive to this ep but is now relevant: Rosetta has never used Rosetta Balloon again despite "Each time a different thing shows up!" was hyped as the selling point of the attack. Now I doubt she'll ever use it a second time, thus making it rather pointless. TOEI! Oh, well, minor flaws aside it was a nice episode, really. The next one is dumb tho, since apparently Aguri never had a birthday before. Unless she just appeared a day out of nowhere recently that's pretty absurd, even if she's adopted or something her grandma would've given her a random birthday date, even if at least out of sheer convenience. Maybe her grandma is like Leonard Hofstadter's mom and thinks being pushed out of a vagina isn't worth celebrating. Guess we'll find out in a week. |
| Rich people and how they are detached from reality - or Alice's theme in this series (even Karen with her occasional weirdness was more grounded in real world). But it was fine episode in the end. Had some weird space stuff but whatever, it's space so they can do stuff like this. ZettaiRyouiki said: I don't get the first part - if it was some strange unknown person than sure, it would be weird. But it was Regina. And with Mana being dumb/naive as she is, it was easy to say that she will try to talk with her friend. Last few episodes are just attempt of everyone to mindf*ck her into being good again and Heart just wanted to give it a go.The fight itself did have three flaws, with the last two being related. The first is Heart's dumb scene where Regina tells her she wants to talk and she Leeroy Jenkins towards her and gets shot because she's dumb. Of course Rosetta saves Heart before she can get hit and no one calls her out on how she just did a dumb thing. Come on, Toei, you can't tell children being reckless and trust anyone is okay. No one will be there to save these children when a stranger bribes them into a car with candy. But not with Candy since no one stands her, har har. The second and actually important one is they make a point of Rosetta being unable to fight and that she can only protect. This is true if you forget about Rosetta Balloon. Or that combination attack they used on Melan and they could totally do now. Or the time she shot her shield. Or her mad kung-fu skillz. Aside from that she can only protect, yes, you are very right. The third is not exclusive to this ep but is now relevant: Rosetta has never used Rosetta Balloon again despite "Each time a different thing shows up!" was hyped as the selling point of the attack. Now I doubt she'll ever use it a second time, thus making it rather pointless. TOEI! As for that second part... that seems to be fate of supporting Precure - Komachi was stronger than any other girl from her team and I think that only twice she used her abilities to attack (in both cases she was rather irritated), same would go with Luminous (ok she had two strongest Precure as companions so she didn't need to). Here I would say it's not fault of DDP. Same goes for attacks that appeared once and than they are gone - Futari wa had Black and White ability to create shields, Rainbow Therapy also went once or twice. |
Dalek-bakaNov 26, 2013 5:10 AM
Dalek-baka said: I don't get the first part - if it was some strange unknown person than sure, it would be weird. But it was Regina. And with Mana being dumb/naive as she is, it was easy to say that she will try to talk with her friend. Last few episodes are just attempt of everyone to mindf*ck her into being good again and Heart just wanted to give it a go. Mana being gullible because Regina makes her wet her panties spats was fine. The problem was no one called Mana out for being a moron and lowering her guard SO easily. If nothing else you'd think Ace would call her out because that is exactly what Ace does. Dalek-baka said: As for that second part... that seems to be fate of supporting Precure - Komachi was stronger than any other girl from her team and I think that only twice she used her abilities to attack (in both cases she was rather irritated), same would go with Luminous (ok she had two strongest Precure as companions so she didn't need to). Here I would say it's not fault of DDP. Same goes for attacks that appeared once and than they are gone - Futari wa had Black and White ability to create shields, Rainbow Therapy also went once or twice. True, but the series already had episodes going "Rosetta, you can't attack, only make shields, you are weak hurr durr" and those were the ones that showed said kung fu skills and the shield toss. That's why I find weird they just didn't go "Hey, Regina, that was true before but NOW I have a real attack" and poof, Rosetta Balloon. It'd fit the trend perfectly. Right, they sometimes forget about their attacks, tho to be fair Rainbow Therapy was rather inconsistent on what was used or not used: A bear is fine, but Marble screw the viceprincipal. Rosetta Balloon's case, however, is worse since Rosetta says EACH TIME it's used a different thing comes out, so you'd expect it to be used at least two or three more times. Sure, it's par per the course for this show, but still. |
| Compared to the amazing ep.40, this episode is quite a big fall. While I welcome bringing back Reina and get the rivalry between her and Alice resolved, there are quite a bit of issues with the story: Suddenly we have Jikochu upgraded into space-borne form, and it seems that no one really question if Alice could really survive in the stratosphere after ejecting from the plane (and before she turns into a precure); all the girls got busy in saving the green sprouts without trying to find out what caused the widespread withering of flowers everywhere; Reina so quick to accept that Alice is some superhero who could fly in space (and don't we have a rule that nobody is supposed to be told the secret of her being a Precure?); and of course my constant fear of Cure Ace not being able to finish everything in 5min and turned back into human while still in the stratophere (and Mana still kept talking!); and lastly: isn't the Yotsuba Group already powerful enough? (and Alice still wanted to make it bigger and stronger?) Well, in terms of story development, what we seem to have is one by one the team-mates of Mana gets convinced that Regina has love inside her, that she is not evil by nature. Two episodes ago it was Aguri. Last episode it was MakoP. This episode it was Alice. And I bet Rikka just followed Mana? So next episode it will be for something else... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
ZettaiRyouiki said: Mana is reverse-Nozomi type: Dream had ability to made everyone go for their dreams, develop and becoming better; what Mana does is dragging people down to her level of delusions - so they wouldn't be able to tell it to her, as they were already dumbed down to level of giving songs/flowers to Regina. Mana being gullible because Regina makes her wet her panties spats was fine. The problem was no one called Mana out for being a moron and lowering her guard SO easily. If nothing else you'd think Ace would call her out because that is exactly what Ace does. That is why I liked that Ace from the start, she was nasty towards girls but she had reasons... no it's one more member of Mana's harem. ZettaiRyouiki said: But if I recall problem with Rosetta was that she had those "anger management issues", they were mentioned once but I think it counts. If this part of the plot was expanded it might have more sense for her to use only shields. For me it makes sense but since Toei put too much stuff they might forgot about mentioning it (yet another nice possibility wasted). Hell they don't go into explaining if she dealt with it or not.True, but the series already had episodes going "Rosetta, you can't attack, only make shields, you are weak hurr durr" and those were the ones that showed said kung fu skills and the shield toss. That's why I find weird they just didn't go "Hey, Regina, that was true before but NOW I have a real attack" and poof, Rosetta Balloon. It'd fit the trend perfectly. Right, they sometimes forget about their attacks, tho to be fair Rainbow Therapy was rather inconsistent on what was used or not used: A bear is fine, but Marble screw the viceprincipal. Rosetta Balloon's case, however, is worse since Rosetta says EACH TIME it's used a different thing comes out, so you'd expect it to be used at least two or three more times. Sure, it's par per the course for this show, but still. |
Dalek-baka said: Mana is reverse-Nozomi type: Dream had ability to made everyone go for their dreams, develop and becoming better; what Mana does is dragging people down to her level of delusions - so they wouldn't be able to tell it to her, as they were already dumbed down to level of giving songs/flowers to Regina. That is why I liked that Ace from the start, she was nasty towards girls but she had reasons... no it's one more member of Mana's harem. And that is why Nozomi was a good leader while Mana is not. We call her Mana Sue for a reason. Dalek-baka said: But if I recall problem with Rosetta was that she had those "anger management issues", they were mentioned once but I think it counts. If this part of the plot was expanded it might have more sense for her to use only shields. For me it makes sense but since Toei put too much stuff they might forgot about mentioning it (yet another nice possibility wasted). Hell they don't go into explaining if she dealt with it or not. That might be the reason, actually. I wouldn't discard they just plain forgot Rosetta has plenty of offensive options, the first time Rikka transformed she DEFEATED A SELFISH WITH HER SPECIAL and afterwards she was forever treated as a support even when Makoto still got kills. |
| 'How did you get here?' Girl ... just look at their wings ... But no, they took an airplane? Why give them wings then? |
| Reina, I love you oh so much. And Alice's "no shits were given that day" always cracks me up. See Mana, you should learn from the best. You are several tiers below. I really liked the first part of the episode with Reina's OHOHOHOHOHOHO, Alice's attitude and that easy-going atmosphere ("I always wanted a flower shop..." "Okay, let's make you one!" "Yaaaay!"). The second part's craziness is what I associate with Rosetta's and Sebastian's character theme so I won't question how Alice can do virtually ANYTYHING in Doki Doki Universe. What I didn't like was the forced and cheesy moral of the story/Alice's resolve. It somehow feels like it came from thin air - suddenly Alice recalls she loves flowers and she's very deep about them so she will convince Regina to be deep about them too. Oooookay. |
ZettaiRyouiki said: And since I brought it up let's discuss SPAAAAACE. There are two possibilities here. One is they weren't high enough to leave the atmosphere, thus explaining why Arisu ejected before transforming, Rosetta fell down until the Pad's latest power saved her and they can all talk and breathe. OR Toei doesn't know how space works at all. This being Toei my money is on #2. Also I love how these rocks were far more effective than the seeds, that's what happens when you add the Flying type. "Otona no jijo" Those who watch heartcatch already know that space dosent work the same way in precure univers... XD And why? Just because it's magic.... I think the last precure series that serious is Fresh... After that Precure start became more childish. I don't hate the after series but possible the best precure is the first 3 series.. (also maybe suite...) Most of the time i can't hate the series even if the story is crap just because the characters. For Example i like smile precure even if a know the last episode is a crap... I can't hate because cure Sunny and wolfrun in there. |
| Precure in SPAAAAACE so what, the transformation serves as a kind of space suit/oxygen supply? Ace better be thankful the fight didn't last longer than 5 minutes then :D |
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!" |
I'm glad Reina and Alice finally became friends. |
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