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Nov 21, 2013 4:11 PM
#81
...What? This was becoming one of my favorite shows this season and now I don't know. I'm not going to drop it, but I'm really curious as to what will happen next due to such a drastic shift in tone for the show. I would be perfectly fine with an evil organization but the Guillotine Gorilla was a little much. |
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Nov 21, 2013 4:12 PM
#82
Nov 21, 2013 4:13 PM
#83
Not necessarily. Maybe it doesn't appeal to you, but look at all the commotion it has created. In that sense, it's a success. I also invite you to re-read my previous post in case you haven't. I don't disagree with what neontaster said either, it's not necessarily 'bad' writing. It's original, for the most part. A next-level cliffhanger technique, never before-seen for me. We need to see the next episodes, but I don't mind the rupture of contract between us and the anime. I think maybe you don't understand what a rupture of contract is (or maybe I'm not using the right term). |
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Nov 21, 2013 4:17 PM
#84
JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:17 PM
#85
Nov 21, 2013 4:21 PM
#86
WTF was that? o_O I really hope that was some Flamenco fantasy (like it was before when he was reading letter of his grandpa or some movie action... for the sake of this series. Because otherwise... they just slaughtered this show pretty hard. I really hope they are just trolling us. This episode was really good up to this point, even Gotou x Masayoshi talk near the telephone booth was well done and moving in its way but this is no no if that's true. (still wonder what Gotou's gf had to do with his reason to join the police. the probability she was killed and he wasn't able to act is a lot higher now) |
Nov 21, 2013 4:22 PM
#87
Litrydow said: and there you goneontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. Neontaser you are completly misinterprating what i said so here ill spell it out Creating a twist that completly catches you off guard that has been heavilly hinted at and foreshadowed throughout a portion of the series = good writing Pulling a tonal shift and twist out of absolutly nowhere with no build up, structure, or foreshadowing, or even remotely related setting(you can just jump from reality to supernatural in a second) = bad writing case and point of good writing is friend's identity in 20th century boys, theres a ton of structure and hints as to who it is, but you never are able to piece it together till after hes revealed and iv not seen anyone call who it ended up being |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Nov 21, 2013 4:27 PM
#88
You two (Jizzy and litry) are being far too subjective by saying 'asspull'. Maybe you, Jizzy, is the one that needs to calm down (not that I mind talking with you, though, just so that you could get a bird's view of the situation). Just be patient until next week. So far, you've completely fallen into the author's trap! So, give credit to the author, he surprised everyone. Now, will he be able to back it up next week? That's what makes things interesting. Just because there is no foreshadowing doesn't mean it's bad writing. Unless it's a universal law that I'm not aware of, I remember reading about great writers that have ruptured contracts between the reader and the story and it has resulted in grand success. |
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Nov 21, 2013 4:30 PM
#89
The plot twist was unexpected.The ratings for this anime just skyrocketed to number 1, beating Nizuma eiji and Ashirogi Muto! Confirmed on Bakuman season 4. My 2 cents. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:33 PM
#90
blob said: I'm not the one that told you to calm down, that was parfaidMaybe you, Jizzy, is the one that needs to calm down blob said: We are, its you and neonaster instigating misinterprating and putting words into our mouths thats causing this conversation to go on so long Just be patient until next week. So far, blob said: name them, name a single story that resulted in greatness of a singular twist that had 0 foreshadowing hints or structure.I remember reading about great writers that have ruptured contracts between the reader and the story and it has resulted in grand success. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Nov 21, 2013 4:33 PM
#91
Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? |
Nov 21, 2013 4:33 PM
#92
My2Yen said: The plot twist was unexpected.The ratings for this anime just skyrocketed to number 1, beating Nizuma eiji and Ashirogi Muto! Confirmed on Bakuman season 4. My 2 cents. Nicely said! I really loved Bakuman, and the reference was well placed. :P Although your 2 cents don't match your name... should be something like "My .02 cents." @Jizzy : Ah, my bad, thought you were the one that told me to calm down. |
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Nov 21, 2013 4:35 PM
#93
neontaster said: Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? Go study some storytelling, mate. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:36 PM
#94
neontaster said: Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? you know song of ice and fire had supernatural elements in its premise and was clearly marketed as a fantasy novel series from the start right? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Nov 21, 2013 4:42 PM
#96
Litrydow said: Go study some storytelling, mate. Please direct me to the venerable storytelling class that includes the technical term "asspull." You have exactly zero idea what you are talking about. JizzyHitler said: you know song of ice and fire had supernatural elements in its premise and was clearly marketed as a fantasy novel series from the start right? WRONG! You spend THE ENTIRE first book wondering if there are supernatural elements or not. Martin keeps it vague as long as he possibly can. Mod Edit: Quote tower removed. You only need to quote the last comment you are replying to. |
rodacNov 22, 2013 2:26 AM
Nov 21, 2013 4:44 PM
#97
@Fizzy : I'm not at home right now, so I can't check into my notes; I'll come back to you as soon as I can though, maybe on your profile. Should be home in ~3 hours. u_u; I just can't find the exact term in French (nor English, since I didn't learn it in that language), which would help me do a quick Google search, lol. |
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Nov 21, 2013 4:48 PM
#98
I still think this is attempt to PR stunt to make this episode topic of many debates on internets but it is rather cheap way of getting publicity by trolling viewers (the more so when this series was nicely realistic before). I simply don't like them breaking the fourth wall while trying to get those reactions. But I got theory something big will be revealed next time and they are just trying to gain as much viewers and publicity for it as it is possible. Cause everyone would be interested what happens next after seeing this stunt. But one way or another, this will be defining point of this series so they better take care of it properly. If this proves right and this guillotine-gorila is disproved in first few minutes of next ep that I am ok with this. Edit: My bet is this is not only PR stunt of creators of this show but also PR stunt of Akira Konno's agency (remember how he said there is nothing interesting happening in the city?) Gotou and Flamenco actions could be genuine, with others being hired stuntmen. Media attention is everything these days. |
Mich666Nov 21, 2013 4:59 PM
Nov 21, 2013 4:48 PM
#99
neontaster said: WRONG! You spend THE ENTIRE first book wondering if there are supernatural elements or not. Martin keeps it vague as long as he possibly can. See the difference? The mysteries were there. Do the Others exist? Do the dragons exist? What was the strange event in the prologue of the first book? That kind of stuff gets answered and twisted as the story goes on, they didn't appear out of thin air. Were monsters and evil lords ever mentioned in Samurai Flamenco? They're living in a reallistic setting, it's not a fantasy or sci-fi. Even if it was to be revealed it was a fantasy or sci-fi, it needed something beforehand pointing that out. But I think we're just being trolled by the director, this must be the TV show Hazama was going to appear in. It's not possible for a writer to be this shitty. neontaster said: Please direct me to the venerable storytelling class that includes the technical term "asspull." You have exactly zero idea what you are talking about. You don't even need that, you can go the most accessible database about it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull |
Nov 21, 2013 4:48 PM
#100
neontaster said: Therefore if Martin showed supernatural stuff you won't complain, 'cause it's been foreshadowed before. In Samurai Flamenco nothing of that sort has been mentioned before. The series remained a SoL series for 6 episodes now without any hints of it becoming a supernatural series, so it turning 180 degrees is awful writing. Why? 'cause it makes no sense. How did suddenly supernatural stuff appeared in the realistic world Samurai Flamenco built?WRONG! You spend THE ENTIRE first book wondering if there are supernatural elements or not. Martin keeps it vague as long as he possibly can. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:50 PM
#101
...I need a moment to process what I have just witnessed. I think I'll never process it. This is on the level of 'Master of Martial Hearts'. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:57 PM
#102
Im glad im not the only one completely..baffled by turn of events....Just left me speechless. I mean I knew something was gonna go wrong so SF could show off. But not...THAT. Not gonna be Able to sleep till next week. .. |
Nov 21, 2013 4:59 PM
#103
Why is everyone so tripped up about this episode? The whole anime was basically about a boy who was just a normal civilian fighting evil for his own sense of justice, making him as Goto stated, a freak who fights evil. By no means was he ever a hero to begin with, but now that they introduced a supernatural villain, the protagonist has the real chance to become an actual hero. The focus of this episode should not be whether it breaks the barriers of realism, but that it marks the start of the battle between his justice and the evil that is out there. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:01 PM
#104
Litrydow said: See the difference? The mysteries were there. Do the Others exist? Do the dragons exist? What was the strange event in the prologue of the first book? That kind of stuff gets answered and twisted as the story goes on, they didn't appear out of thin air. Were monsters and evil lords ever mentioned in Samurai Flamenco? They're living in a reallistic setting, it's not a fantasy or sci-fi. Even if it was to be revealed it was a fantasy or sci-fi, it needed something beforehand pointing that out. But I think we're just being trolled by the director, this must be the TV show Hazama was going to appear in. It's not possible for a writer to be this shitty. You're still wrong. He all but establishes that there isn't any supernatural stuff and only then does he pull it out. And besides, the fact that you rely on TVtropes as some kind of infallible guide to storytelling is fucking laughable. I have seen multiple examples of these so-called asspulls that worked very well. To dismiss it outright as bad writing because it is a sharp turn makes zero sense. Candor said: Therefore if Martin showed supernatural stuff you won't complain, 'cause it's been foreshadowed before. In Samurai Flamenco nothing of that sort has been mentioned before. The series remained a SoL series for 6 episodes now without any hints of it becoming a supernatural series, so it turning 180 degrees is awful writing. Why? 'cause it makes no sense. How did suddenly supernatural stuff appeared in the realistic world Samurai Flamenco built? To me it established the characters way more than the world. Yeah, it's a totally realistic world in which the cops work with some superhero who can defeat bad guys used "super advanced office supplies" while a group of pop idols go around kicking people in the balls. Why is it so hard for you people to say "I didn't like this." It's four simple words. You. Didn't. Like. It. It wasn't bad. It wasn't an asspull. It was a creative choice that did not appeal to your own personal taste. The hubris of associating that with something objectively bad is ridiculous. Get off your high horses. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:03 PM
#105
Nov 21, 2013 5:07 PM
#106
In the back of my mind I was hoping for a twist like this, but I CAN'T BELIEVE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED??? Time to wait and see if we're being trolled or not. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:08 PM
#107
Litrydow said: Please, just stop embarrassing yourself. This isn't even funny anymore. Hahaha you guys are always the same. Unable to argue so you pretend the argument is beneath you. Go back to your TV tropes bible. I'll be back here in "allowing people to be creative" land. You should visit sometime. Oh, and you want storytelling 101? This was episode 7. This show has 22. This was the final establishing element to the first act of this story. It wasn't a deus ex machina presto chango solution at the end. It was still within what you could call the exposition to the story. So go ahead, don't "sink to my level." oh great one. Fucking lol. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:12 PM
#108
Now that's gotta be a dream of Msayoshi's. And I like how frustrated about the lack of criminal activity Flamenco Girls was. Sent with Mal Updater |
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Nov 21, 2013 5:12 PM
#109
neontaster said: World =/= characters. The world itself is realistic with nothing supernatural, or even any hints of it. The characters and their actions aren't.Candor said: Therefore if Martin showed supernatural stuff you won't complain, 'cause it's been foreshadowed before. In Samurai Flamenco nothing of that sort has been mentioned before. The series remained a SoL series for 6 episodes now without any hints of it becoming a supernatural series, so it turning 180 degrees is awful writing. Why? 'cause it makes no sense. How did suddenly supernatural stuff appeared in the realistic world Samurai Flamenco built? To me it established the characters way more than the world. Yeah, it's a totally realistic world in which the cops work with some superhero who can defeat bad guys used "super advanced office supplies" while a group of pop idols go around kicking people in the balls. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:14 PM
#110
The Gorilla Guillotine does feel out of place. On the other hand, the part about King Torture does make sense. If there are some foreshadowing, terrorism wouldn't be called terrorism anymore. Isn't it? |
Nov 21, 2013 5:15 PM
#112
Candor said: World =/= characters. The world itself is realistic with nothing supernatural, or even any hints of it. The characters aren't realistic. This is still the first act of the story. Frankly I'm kinda shocked to see these reactions. Sure, I expected people to not like the direction, but this whole "HRUMPH! THIS ISN"T PROPER STORYTELLING!!!" line is a complete mystery to me. I can't help but think of the people who said "selective colors? What are you, some kind of IMPRESSIONIST painter? Get the fuck out of our academy, Monet. You don't know what you're doing. Ever read arttropes.com? It says you have to use REALISTIC COLORS!" |
Nov 21, 2013 5:19 PM
#113
JizzyHitler said: neontaster said: yah and you know why that would work? because it happens in 30 minutes, its still in its premise, this did it hours in real time and months in story time into its series and is close to its halfway point. pulling it this far into it is again, horrendous writing.JizzyHitler said: Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. How is that remotely applicable to this scenario? No, this would be akin to a comedy about a nerd who loves Zombie things and then 30 minutes in we get real zombies. neontaster said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched themJizzyHitler said: Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. And if doing this is so easy and takes no skill, how come I've NEVER seen it happen before ever? heres a great example of one http://myanimelist.net/anime/5020/Zettai_Shougeki:_Platonic_Heart ouch, comparing this to that is pretty harsh |
Nov 21, 2013 5:21 PM
#114
neontaster said: Not liking this direction means there's something wrong with the writing. Let's imagine Martin never spoke of dragons or zombies or even hinted of any in the first book, but made the world remain as a normal medieval world, then in the 2nd book and in the middle of it out of nowhere dragons started appearing or zombies started walking, how would that feel?Candor said: World =/= characters. The world itself is realistic with nothing supernatural, or even any hints of it. The characters aren't realistic. This is still the first act of the story. Frankly I'm kinda shocked to see these reactions. Sure, I expected people to not like the direction, but this whole "HRUMPH! THIS ISN"T PROPER STORYTELLING!!!" line is a complete mystery to me. I can't help but think of the people who said "selective colors? What are you, some kind of IMPRESSIONIST painter? Get the fuck out of our academy, Monet. You don't know what you're doing. Ever read arttropes.com? It says you have to use REALISTIC COLORS!" |
Nov 21, 2013 5:22 PM
#115
Thank you candor and litrydrow for saying all the things i would whilst i was away eating. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Nov 21, 2013 5:22 PM
#116
gedata said: yah and you know why that would work? because it happens in 30 minutes, its still in its premise, this did it hours in real time and months in story time into its series and is close to its halfway point. pulling it this far into it is again, horrendous writing. This was at the 1/3 point of the show. If this was a 90 minute movie, it happening after 30 minutes is EXACTLY like it happening in episode 7. Candor said: Not liking this direction means there's something wrong with the writing. Let's imagine Martin never spoke of dragons or zombies or even hinted of any in the first book, but made the world remain as a normal medieval world, then in the 2nd book and in the middle of it out of nowhere dragons started appearing or zombies started walking, how would that feel? Excuse me? Who put you in charge of deciding what is good writing or not? Are you so perfect that you only like good stuff and only hate bad stuff? That's a pretty inflated sense of self-worth right there. |
rodacNov 22, 2013 2:29 AM
Nov 21, 2013 5:24 PM
#117
neontaster said: nice job ignoring the question there, the anime_name tactic doesnt work on usCandor said: Not liking this direction means there's something wrong with the writing. Let's imagine Martin never spoke of dragons or zombies or even hinted of any in the first book, but made the world remain as a normal medieval world, then in the 2nd book and in the middle of it out of nowhere dragons started appearing or zombies started walking, how would that feel? Excuse me? Who put you in charge of deciding what is good writing or not? Are you so perfect that you only like good stuff and only hate bad stuff? That's a pretty inflated sense of self-worth right there. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Nov 21, 2013 5:27 PM
#118
neontaster said: gedata said: yah and you know why that would work? because it happens in 30 minutes, its still in its premise, this did it hours in real time and months in story time into its series and is close to its halfway point. pulling it this far into it is again, horrendous writing. This was at the 1/3 point of the show. If this was a 90 minute movie, it happening after 30 minutes is EXACTLY like it happening in episode 7. um I didn't write that lol |
Nov 21, 2013 5:28 PM
#119
JizzyHitler said: neontaster said: nice job ignoring the question thereCandor said: Not liking this direction means there's something wrong with the writing. Let's imagine Martin never spoke of dragons or zombies or even hinted of any in the first book, but made the world remain as a normal medieval world, then in the 2nd book and in the middle of it out of nowhere dragons started appearing or zombies started walking, how would that feel? Excuse me? Who put you in charge of deciding what is good writing or not? Are you so perfect that you only like good stuff and only hate bad stuff? That's a pretty inflated sense of self-worth right there. Because the question makes no sense. This is a show about a super hero. Now we have super villains. The superhero doesn't have super powers but the villains do. Hmm... Where have I seen that scenario before? Oh yeah, FUCKING BATMAN. So the question is why wait this long? First of all, we don't fucking know why because it only just happened, but I'm not the one condemning it at face value like this. This was the end of act one of the story. In what fucking universe is that a bad time to introduce a left turn like this? Madoka basically changed its tone at this point in the story too (it was a shorter show so it happened sooner, but ratio wise it was similar). What the fuck is all this butthurt about supernatural shit not being established upfront? That would have totally skewed the things that happened thus far, which will undoubtedly have an effect on things that happen later. A world that suddenly is introduced to the supernatural is a totally different scenario than a world where the supernatural is already established. Capiche? |
Nov 21, 2013 5:29 PM
#120
gedata said: neontaster said: gedata said: yah and you know why that would work? because it happens in 30 minutes, its still in its premise, this did it hours in real time and months in story time into its series and is close to its halfway point. pulling it this far into it is again, horrendous writing. This was at the 1/3 point of the show. If this was a 90 minute movie, it happening after 30 minutes is EXACTLY like it happening in episode 7. um I didn't write that lol Oh oops. The quoting system here is so confusing haha. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:30 PM
#121
*whispers* what the actual fuck |
Nov 21, 2013 5:31 PM
#122
Nov 21, 2013 5:33 PM
#123
neontaster said: There are set rules for writing something, rules based on things that makes sense. Like for example a conclusion should come after a climax, not the other way round (like for example ASoIaF, in the middle of the series Martin tells you who dies and who lives, then starts with writing how and why and explains. That's bad writing) When the writing follow the rules, or try to follow it as much as possible, it's called average to ok writing. When the author makes you intrigued about things and make you excited for them, that's called good writing. When an author pulls something out of his ass, which means he did something that made no sense in the world he build, then that's called bad writing.Candor said: Not liking this direction means there's something wrong with the writing. Let's imagine Martin never spoke of dragons or zombies or even hinted of any in the first book, but made the world remain as a normal medieval world, then in the 2nd book and in the middle of it out of nowhere dragons started appearing or zombies started walking, how would that feel? Excuse me? Who put you in charge of deciding what is good writing or not? Are you so perfect that you only like good stuff and only hate bad stuff? That's a pretty inflated sense of self-worth right there. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:36 PM
#125
JizzyHitler said: And that's exactly how this series operated. You just didn't notice. With each episode things were getting more and more unrealistic:Creating a twist that completly catches you off guard that has been heavilly hinted at and foreshadowed throughout a portion of the series = good writing - a GQ model getting hit and healed with no bruises - Samurai Girl's tools to fight the bad guys - Samurai Flamenco's ridiculous gadgets going against all plausible laws of physics - Lack of defined Evil, Villain, Antagonist or whatever you call it - The will from Masayoshi's grandfather the serious intent for Samurai Flamenco to fight evil If you read my comments and discussion with a couple of other guys at the end of the ep.6 thread, you'll notice, how I was actually missing this huge conflict and twist to the show. But this whole time the stage was simply being set up, prepared step by step: getting a police cover with the best friend, training, becoming a team with SG, getting gadgets and a mad professor to develop them, and so on. My only complain is they should've done it probably one episode earlier - pacing would've been better. But other than that, everything what happened in ep.7 was extremely welcome and foreshadowed. And still, I was amazed and stunned. Damn was that EPIC writing! |
Nov 21, 2013 5:36 PM
#126
Candor said: There are set rules for writing something, rules based on things that makes sense. Like for example a conclusion should come after a climax, not the other way round (like for example ASoIaF, in the middle of the series Martin tells you who dies and who lives, then starts with writing how and why and explains. That's bad writing) When the writing follow the rules, or try to follow it as much as possible, it's called good writing. When the author makes you intrigued about things and make you excited for them, that's called good writing. When an author pulls something out of his ass, which means he did something that made no sense in the world he build, then that's called bad writing. What you are describing would have applied if this was the finale of the show, and all of a sudden Samumenco had super powers to escape from a sticky situation. There's still two thirds of the show left to go, and introducing the supernatural here didn't act as a deus ex machina to save the hero or as some kind of convenient development, and hence is NOT a goddamn asspull. Candor said: When did Batman have supernatural things? Every time ever except for the Christopher Nolan movies. Even the Burton movies had supernatural things. Catwoman was bitten by some cats and came back to life. Poison Ivy controlled plants. The Riddler stole people's brains... And in the comics it's even MORE supernatural. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:37 PM
#127
WTF? Am I watching the wrong show? Who the heck is the gorilla? King Torture? TQ |
Nov 21, 2013 5:38 PM
#128
What the hell was that? Haha, I hope it's just a movie filming for PR or something but it seems off and there were dead people.. Man, I just hope there is no supernatural thing in here.. |
Nov 21, 2013 5:41 PM
#129
soulelle said: JizzyHitler said: And that's exactly how this series operated. You just didn't notice. With each episode things were getting more and more unrealistic:Creating a twist that completly catches you off guard that has been heavilly hinted at and foreshadowed throughout a portion of the series = good writing - a GQ model getting hit and healed with no bruises - Samurai Girl's tools to fight the bad guys - Samurai Flamenco's ridiculous gadgets going against all plausible laws of physics - Lack of defined Evil, Villain, Antagonist or whatever you call it - The will from Masayoshi's grandfather the serious intent for Samurai Flamenco to fight evil If you read my comments and discussion with a couple of other guys at the end of the ep.6 thread, you'll notice, how I was actually missing this huge conflict and twist to the show. But this whole time the stage was simply being set up, prepared step by step: getting a police cover with the best friend, training, becoming a team with SG, getting gadgets and a mad professor to develop them, and so on. My only complain is they should've done it probably one episode earlier - pacing would've been better. But other than that, everything what happened in ep.7 was extremely welcome and foreshadowed. And still, I was amazed and stunned. Damn was that EPIC writing! That was the main reason I wasn't totally shocked - they clearly hadn't gotten to the ACTUAL STORY yet. This does't feel like a slice of life show that will just continue in this way until the end. I felt something was coming... |
Nov 21, 2013 5:41 PM
#130
honestly I don't think they did what I saw they did, did they? the heads rolling caught me off-guard, that's not fair. Also we get a hint? that Goto's girlfriend is alive, I hope so |
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