Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie -Rebellion-
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| For me, this third installment was, hands-down, the best anime release of 2013. I know the ending was unsatisfying to some, and I won't leave a spoiler to convey my true thoughts about the ending, but if they decide to cut it off here right where it ended, then I'll still be perfectly content. |
| Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit. |
Raptor1221 said: She is insane in both action and definition. She initially was selfless in her wish, but she became selfish as she went through the times lines.(...) the entire show is her vs QB with madoka as the prize and the other girls are the pieces. |
| I actually loved this movie. |
Exeneva said: Rebellion is about Homura getting what she wants, because she believes it's also what Madoka truly wanted. That's exactly it, it's about what Homura wants... believing it's also what Madoka wants. Believing. |
Lelia said: skudoops said: It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action. Is this really what Madoka meant to say? She said, she wouldn't want to go too far away from her family and friends because that would make her said, but even as a goddess Madoka can still do that. Sure, she wouldn't be there as an actual person, but as a an omnipotent being who is still with them because she is anywhere at any given time. So she is not far away at all. I see no contradiction with Madoka being a goddess and her words in the park, just a huge misunderstanding on Homuras part. but your forget that everybody forget her what use she be there if nobody reminded her !! so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes |
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baltazak said: but your forget that everybody forget her what use she be there if nobody reminded her !! so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes Not quite. |
Yakuri said: baltazak said: but your forget that everybody forget her what use she be there if nobody reminded her !! so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes Not quite. |
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| Apparently extreme lesbianism can corrupt a soul gem and turn a mahou shoujo into a supreme being far greater than a God. Okay. |
Pipoko said: In which part of the movie was it mentioned that Madoka didn't want to turn into the goddess, again? In the flower scene where Madoka is braiding Homura's hair. |
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| That Homura vs Mami fight was so sick. Wow what a ending too. Any loved the show, loved the movies, thank you folks at Shaft for putting this together. |
VioLinkNov 18, 2013 12:41 AM
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1idd0kun said: You're forgetting Madoka's family and non-magical friends. If Madoka is to be believed, it was painful to part with them and see them forget about her. She couldn't have been happy that way. I do agree that what Homura did wasn't exactly the "right thing." She's trying to give Madoka some happiness, but Madoka makes it clear she believes duty comes first than her own happiness. Homura is aware of all this though. There's no delusion about what she's doing. She knows is wrong, but she will follow through on her decision nonetheless and try to make her happy for as long as she can. Than been said, I feel that Homura didn't have much of choice anyway. QB was still a threat to Madoka and Homura needed to deal with him somehow. Becoming the "Devil" was probably the only way she found to deal the little critter. |
YakuriNov 16, 2013 4:44 PM
Susser said: shame it didnt give many memorable scenes you can re-watch without getting tired |
| OK, firstly I want to say, hi - this is my first post after all - secondly, enormous thanks for spoiling big plot twist ! Some people apparently don't know how to use spoiler tags... Is this really so hard to give your opinion on the movie without spoiling it for the others? Fortunately, I only read one, single thing about this one character - so far I don't know why she did what she did, and how she did it, so I'm not completely spoiled. But thakns to this spoiler I already have ambivalent feelings about this movie - movie that I didn't seen yet. On the one hand I'm little surprised that some people are dead set against this one person essentially turning to the dark side. For me at least, PMMM was mainly about simple fact that "road to hell is paved with good intentions" and that most heroes, are tragic heroes. So this plot twist seems to fit nicely with main theme of the show. In fact this movie seems to have few things that made show good: thought provoking themes, plot twist and character development. On the other hand I don't like entire concept of the devil. I agree with this lady, who said that Devil Is a Boring Bad Guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwurmKW-z4 Thing that really made me like PMMM was it's moral ambiguity - only Madoka Kaname can be considered a Mary Sue ,other characters weren't either good or evil and they were posing a moral dilemmas. Look at Kyubey - you can have endless debate about his morality, after all he was doing bad things for good reason: do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?, can you judge an alien by human standards?, what is more important: reason or emotions? etc. This same can be said about the girls - none of them were bad, they were just misguided: naive and full of good intentions, yet jealous and selfish at the same time. Compared to this this devil seems to be extremely boring and one dimensional. I don't like moral absolutes in fiction, and we already have pink haired goddess, who can do no wrong. Do we really need the devil, to make Madoka's world even more black and white? So I have few questions for you guys. Without spoilers tell me: is the devil portrayed as one dimensional and inherently evil or is this person simply misguided and pitiful? Do you feel sorry for this person can you have sympathy for the devil? Are there any shades of grey in Madoka's world now, or is this pure good and evil conflict ? Do you think that transformation into the devil was handled well, do you think that it was believable or if it was contrived and out of character? I ask for opinion of people who seen the movie, and not just read some spoilers. |
| WOW SHE SAID IT SHE SAID IT IT TOOK 12 EPS AND 3 MOVIES BUT SHE SAID IT AT LEAST YEAH What's with this ending though.. It depresses me a lot wow... Wow.. |
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| Good to know that anime can have me sitting on the edge of my seat still. Been apathetic to anime lately since there haven't been any good stories. Rebellion delivered. Homura is such a boss. |
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Tachikoma1701 said: So I have few questions for you guys. Without spoilers tell me: is the devil portrayed as one dimensional and inherently evil or is this person simply misguided and pitiful? Do you feel sorry for this person can you have sympathy for the devil? Are there any shades of grey in Madoka's world now, or is this pure good and evil conflict ? Do you think that transformation into the devil was handled well, do you think that it was believable or if it was contrived and out of character? I ask for opinion of people who seen the movie, and not just read some spoilers. There's no evil or demon. The following does have spoiler so read at your own choice as to why I think so, but it really is not the kind of devil or "good vs evil" that you think. Also, if you're so impatient to come to the movie discussion thread then expect spoilers in some degree. Get the camrip and pay legitimately for it later if you wanna watch it now. Omniknight said: Rebellion delivered. Homura is such a boss. I don't understand people who didn't like it, I think it was pretty freaking sweet too. Homura is boss is boss is boss indeed :D |
YakuriNov 16, 2013 8:14 PM
Exeneva said: It may be "open" in the sense that there could be a possible follow-up series, but the original series had an ending that was only partially conclusive, and this ending feels more 'conclusive' than the original in my opinion. Are you kidding me. The TV-series ending might have been somewhat bittersweet in the sense that Homura technically failed... but then again, not really. She did protect Madoka. She did "save her before she was deceived by Kyubey" which was exactly wht Madoka asked her to do. Madoka then proceeded to realize the potential that had been set up for her through the entire series to completely screw over the completely twisted system Kyubey had set up and creating a better world where there actually was a light at the end of the tunnel for the MGs where before there was none. And then Homura continues the fight in that new world, honoring Madoka's memory. There was no need for a continuation. At all. Ever. This on the other hand? Between Sayaka's implications that Homura's new world is horribly unstable, Homura's own claims that she and Madoka will probably become enemies due to their clashing ideologies, and the fact that Madoka technically still has all her powers only they're being suppressed, which then points to the very distinct possibility that sooner or later she will regain control of those powers and remember who she is... There is literally nothing conclusive about this ending. That said... I honestly feel, again, that a continuation would only cheapen it, because I don't see how they can possibly actually develop this premise and keep it interesting for very long. They've essentially elevated the scope of the story to such a ridiculous level that there is hardly any way left of keeping up with it. ihateeveryone said: >Everyone says that Homura did what she did just because she wanted to take away Madoka for herself and that it was selfish and shit >Its fucking revealed that Madoka didn't want to become an existence that no one could remember and that she was scared and that even if she stayed in Goddess form its likely that Kyuubey would've continued to seek her out until he was able to control Madoka's power Maybe try idk watching the movie Do keep in mind that the Madoka who said that had no memory of her previous ascension to godhood and all that related stuff. As far as she was concerned, she was just a normal Magical Girl fighting against bad dreams in a preposterously saccharine world. Oh yeah, and it also bears mentioning that those claims blatantly contradict what she said in episode 12, where she made that wish being fully aware of the consequences and stated that she was perfectly fine with them, if it meant saving everyone. Oh and the way she phrases it here in the movie is that she isn't "brave enough" to do something like that. Again, completely going against her statements in the series. 1idd0kun said: Than been said, I feel that Homura didn't have much of choice anyway. QB was still a threat to Madoka and Homura needed to deal with him somehow. Becoming the "Devil" was probably the only way she found to deal the little critter. You know, again I'm gonna have to bring back the old "Nothing in the movie to back up that claim"-thing. I realize that this makes me seem like I'm unwilling to accept anything that isn't spelled out, which is not the case at all, but I'd say Homura's interactions with, well... everyone she interacts with post-Devilification, contradict this theory. Notice how through her conversation with Kyubey, she's basically just mocking him from start to finish and gloating about how much better she is than him and how he could never even comprehend her reasons for doing what she just did and, oh, she's gonna keep him around because she still has use for him (even though she could TOTALLY just wipe him out of existence, I presume is the implication here)... Now, you'd think that if her motivation was to protect Madoka from Kyubey, she might have brought that up too... Then there's her conversation with Sayaka afterwards, where she lays on the evilness so thick that I can't even imagine any way she could come off as more obviously evil than she is, even basically going all "Hmmm, destroy the universe you say? Sure, that might be fun. Come back after you've killed all of the Wraiths (which we all know will never happen) and then we can be enemies, 'kay?" Now, admittedly Homura has been known to withhold information that could admittedly be helpful on several occasions before ("So yeah, your friend Mami just died. Remember that this is what happens when you become a Magical Girl. Oh and also witches are just Magical Girls who have succumbed to despair so unless you don't want to become the very thing that just murdered your friend you might wanna cut your ties with Kyubey forever, 'kay?" <- Helpful bit of info that might have potentially prevented Sayaka from making a contract and meeting a horrible end in the show) but see, protecting Madoka from Kyubey... That's a perfectly sound and logical justification, and if she really had such a good reason, I can't see any reason why she would rather go and put on a freaking Satan-act rather than just telling Sayaka (who, mind you, still remembered what happened at the time) why she'd done it. |
| Amazing film. Became instantly one of my top 3 favorite anime films along with Eva 3.0 and End of Eva. |
AoNoise said: This is just eating me inside. I had to create an account to ask. So I read a fairly vague review but then I saw an image concerning... How much did I screw myself? If anyone could reply in a spoiler free manner, just in case :) Much appreciated Ha, I have this same problem actually, but at least I don't know how and why she become this devil like figure. So, not all is lost. :) Yakuri said: There's no evil or demon. The following does have spoiler so read at your own choice as to why I think so, but it really is not the kind of devil or "good vs evil" that you think. Also, if you're so impatient to come to the movie discussion thread then expect spoilers in some degree. Get the camrip and pay legitimately for it later if you wanna watch it now. . Well, all I'm saying is that people should use spoiler tags before posting key plot details. That's why spoiler tag were invented right? As for watching it legally I'm afraid that I don't have this option at all. In my country you can buy manga based on TV show but you can only watch TV show on the internet - I've seen it on youtube and really like it. So I will probably be forced to watch movie illegally. But I'm waiting for good quality copy with english subtitles and don't want to be spoiled before I've seen it. I only want to know if movie was any good or not? I didn't read your spoilers, but thanks for letting me know that this whole "devil" thing is not so black and white as it seems to be. I'm still somewhat concerned but I don't think that TV show need a continuation, since it is self contained, so if movie is bad I can at least pretend that show's ending was definitive ending. Anyway, thanks for replying. |
Tachikoma1701Nov 17, 2013 4:48 AM
Exeneva said: Vegard_Aune said: There is literally nothing conclusive about this ending. I stopped caring about your opinion here. I understand you may be upset about it, but there's no reason to use a phrase like 'are you kidding me' as a response to my own interpretation of the ending, and then present your interpretation and say there is 0% conclusion in this film. Well see, had you just said that this was an interesting ending, I would not have reacted in such a manner... My problem is that 1: You claimed the TV-series ending wasn't conclusive, 2: This movie's ending wraps everything up in a satisfying manner, and 3: The movie's ending was MORE conclusive than the show's. And I don't merely disagree with those claims... they are quite literally POLAR OPPOSITES of what I think. Especially that last one. Heck, the movie ended the way it did specifically because Shinbo wanted an ending that left the door open for a continuation. It's intentionally inconclusive, for goodness' sake. |
| Homura vs Mami is awesome! Did the ribbon turn invisible or they just didnt want to animate it? |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| Ok this film didn't really develop the way I thought it would, but that was probably for the best. Humura vs Mami was pretty sick, and the last 30-40 mins were definitely backstabbing galore, really cool to see. Overall I wouldn't say it was as good as the original series, but close enough to be a worthy successor to the throne. Yandere Homura moe |
HaXXspettenNov 17, 2013 10:17 AM
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| I rewatched the last 20 minutes, now I think I understand a little more why Homura did that. But could someone be kind enough to tell me why did she need QB? ._. I'm kind of lost. |
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| The original ending doesn't really fit to the Madoka Series, because the series heavily builds on a concept many call "the first law of equivalent exchange". The whole Madoka series is about trading one thing for another and most of the times it isn't very clear, if this new situation is better or worse, because it allows the series to be more dramatic. Madoka and Homura were bound from the beginning to suffer and all their action with each other just reinforced this bound. They were never supposed to be happy. That is for example the reason I like the ending: Homura now has Madoka back in the form she got to know her, but in exchange became her enemy. Another thing is the role reversal. Episode 10 of the series is the best example and the movie does it again. So I can't really picture, why Urobuchi wanted to have a nice/good ending, which wouldn't continue the series as she was, especially an ending, which ends the series. I met him personally in July and actually this is the 2th time I am not happy with him. |
ChepriNov 17, 2013 5:28 PM
| All hail the Nutcracker Queen! |
| Another proof on how yandere really is the worst kind of "personality" ever. |
Kyube said: Madoka and Homura were bound from the beginning to suffer and all their action with each other just reinforced this bound. They were never supposed to be happy. Madoka not only ceased to exist as a human being as a result of her wish, but was literally forgotten by the entire universe except Homura, with the entire rest of reality only having a vague concept of someone like that maybe having been around at some point somehow. Meanwhile Homura went through, according to Urobuchi, about a hundred repetitions of the same one-month timespan, failing her mission every single time and even by the end it's debatable whether she ever truly saved Madoka or not... Before then being thrust into the new reality without her, being the only one who remembers her, and still having to spend the rest of her existence fighting against the personification of despair and hopelessness. The original ending really wasn't all that happy, they really only went from one sucky situation to one that was marginally less sucky and had some promise of a reward at the end of it all. Maybe. |
ernst said: Homura vs Mami is awesome! Did the ribbon turn invisible or they just didnt want to animate it? Vegard_Aune said: was literally forgotten by the entire universe except Homura |
Exeneva said: So you agree the film ending is marginally less sucky and therefore better? Yay! We have no idea what the Homuverse is even like. Except for a few things; 1: There are familiars walking around. (This is rather bad, I'd say.) 2: There are still Wraiths walking around too apparently. (No different from the Madokaverse) 3: Madoka is now a transfer student from America. (...Huh?") 4: Sayaka seems to be under the impression that Homura is going to destroy the universe. (Which Homura does not deny.) 5: The moon has been cloven in half. (...Huh?) 6: Sayaka and Nagisa are still alive. (Yay, I guess?) The movie presents an ending which is, taken at face-value, technically a happier ending than the show, as everyone is alive and yet there doesn't appear to be any witches walking around. At the same time though, you also have Homura constantly twirling her metaphorical mustache being evil for no apparent reason, Sayaka's apparent belief that the world is doomed, and just a general feeling of unsettlingness going through the whole thing. It remains to be seen if this world of Homura's is ultimately an improvement over Madoka's or not... And I never said that episode 12's bittersweet-ness was a bad thing. It was a perfectly fitting conclusion for this story, and going any happier than what they did there would just have felt like a copout. And then there is again that whole thing with how the entire series was very clearly setting up for what happened in episode 12, to the point where when it did happen it made perfect sense, whereas this movie has absolutely no indicators that Homura stealing Madoka's powers and becoming the Devil and rewriting the universe is even possible before she actually does it. And then after the fact, the only explanation we get is "My Soul Gem was tainted by love." |
| Okay, thanks to you people I watched it, camripped but whatever, still. And... I'm disappointed. I am really, really disappointed. First of all: annoying "kawaii" magical girl typical stuff like them transforming for half an hour and later yelling something shitty together like in a freaking Tokyo Mew Mew. Also Kyuubey saying "Kyuu" or something like that, okay, I get it, he was pretending to not talk, but... couldn't he just stay... quiet? xD Wouldn't that be better? Also BB in her little Charlotte form was annoying sometimes, but it somehow fit her. Would be better if she was more quiet though. Also, the big minus in the thing: Just defuq Homura? Cool, they made a psycho weirdo of my second favourite character. Now she's the last. Just the hell did she do, why went philosophy about hey what's wrong with this world it's weird? I guess she has some mental disorder and just can't stay happy.I wouldn't really give a shit about the outside world, if I had all the magical girls together happy around me, and wouldn't try to kill them because they were evil in another timelines. I mean, maybe I'm not right. To be honest, I don't even really get what happened with her and what she did. That was just too philosophish and too artistic and so it went ununderstandable. For stupid me, of course. Also, another minus is the new soundtrack. It just... HAS to be the old one, or it's not Madoka. At least theme songs. I think there was Mami's theme song one time when they were fighting, or at least something similar, and it made the scene much better. Okay, now about the good things. All the characters except of Homura, were awesome, really, I could even call them more logical than in the first series, especially Madoka, who finally stopped whining and fought alongside with the rest. I actually liked that they were all fighting together. Maybe if they didn't shout something stupid from time to time it would be even perfect. I also liked BB as human. I was afraid she'll be annoying, but she wasn't, she was cool. And cute. And not stupid, as I could expect from that she's much younger. What else good.. hm... Madoka from USA made me laugh? xD that was just so random. I don't know what else to say about this movie. I'd give it something between 2 and 3, but i'll go with 3, I guess. Actually, if not Homura that needs a psychologist, the movie would be ok. But unfortunately she was like the main... thing. So yeah. That's my opinion. I hope they're not gonna continue this. The only good thing they could still do with Madoka would be a story focused around the witches and their lives before they became the witches. Like, who Walpurgisnacht could be? I'd so gladly get to know that. Yeah, that's all. Agree, or not, call me stupid, but I just think that all.. |
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| How the hell did you guys manage to watch it? I'm assuming most of you went to theaters... Really don't feel like waiting months for the BD release >_> it's not even going to be released here, sigh. |
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MCsq2 said: There was a decent camrip of it released on Nyaa about 2-3 days agoHow the hell did you guys manage to watch it? I'm assuming most of you went to theaters... Really don't feel like waiting months for the BD release >_> it's not even going to be released here, sigh. |
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| Watashi wa raspberry 7/10 it was pretty good. Homu gon homu |
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