Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 3: Hangyaku no Monogatari Episode 1 Discussion

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I don't even know how to feel about this. On one hand I really enjoyed it, but on the other I don't even lol. I have to give this a rewatch later down the line.

Nov 15, 2013 7:46 PM

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First of all, great visuals, didn't expect less from SHAFT.

I enjoyed the movie a lot and I loved what kind of character Homura turned into and her destiny. However, I still do not understand how she became a Witch to begin with, when the concept was totally foreign in the new world. Witches shouldn't exist after Godoka erased them, so how was it possible for Homura to turn into one? Unless I missed something.

She never actually removed witches, she merely "saved" the magical girls before they became one. Without her the witch process would continue as normal. Remember at the end of the series Homura tells Kyubeey about Madoka, even though he has no memories of her, he does say her existence is possible. That's why they have the experiment with Homura's soul gem.

Nov 15, 2013 10:52 PM

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From the Puella-Magi wiki:

Remember Homura's original wish? "I want to redo my meeting with Madoka. But this time, instead of her protecting me, I want to become strong enough to protect her!"

Originally it was interpreted as the wish that allowed Homura to travel back in time to redo her meeting with Madoka, it also meant that there was a role reversal with Homura becoming stronger and active while Madoka became a weaker character and took a more passive role. That was the original intent. However, with the new ending in "Rebellion", the meaning and purpose of Homura's wish takes a new role and it probably expands its meaning. If we consider the ending of the series, one can make the argument that Homura's wish was only partially fulfilled but that in the end it failed, because Homura failed to protect Madoka. Not only from stopping Madoka from becoming a Witch, but also from stopping her from taken the burden of becoming the concept of hope, as a result one can say that Homura's wish went unfulfilled and it was a failure. Until the end of "Rebellion" that is, in the movie we see that Homura's wish has finally come to its conclusion by allowing Homura to become a new entity whose role is to protect and guard Madoka's happiness, at the expense of the Law of Cycles and against Madoka's wishes. A clear proof that the role reversal is finally complete is when Madoka is introduced as a shy transfer student and Homura is now in charge of the infirmary, a complete reversal from the original series.

If one thinks about it, Kyubey has been done not by one but by two wishes!

You could say that Homura just did what Madoka asked her to do. The reason that Homura became a magical girl was because she wanted to protect Madoka. In the 2nd timeline, Madoka even asked her to stop her foolish self from becoming a magical girl. In the last timeline she failed, and Madoka became a god-like entity. At the end, Homura returns everything to 'normal' so kept her promise, more or less. Whatever reality looks like, Madoka is now safe from QB and from despair.

Because of this, I believe the original anime is thus only partially conclusive and that this ending to the movie, albeit darker and more selfish (thanks to Homura's choices) is an actual, conclusive ending.

Nov 15, 2013 11:14 PM

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It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action.

Nov 15, 2013 11:51 PM

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Watched the movie in theaters yesterday, and I've got to say... I honestly have no words to describe what I'm feeling right now.

Other than the feelings, all I could say though is that Homura pretty much turned into some kind of selfless yandere. >w>

Nov 16, 2013 12:31 AM

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skudoops said:
It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action.

It may be "open" in the sense that there could be a possible follow-up series, but the original series had an ending that was only partially conclusive, and this ending feels more 'conclusive' than the original in my opinion.

Homura's wish was to save Madoka, not the other way around. Her wish basically didn't come to fruition in the original series, but in this movie it does.

Nov 16, 2013 1:22 AM

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For me, this third installment was, hands-down, the best anime release of 2013. I know the ending was unsatisfying to some, and I won't leave a spoiler to convey my true thoughts about the ending, but if they decide to cut it off here right where it ended, then I'll still be perfectly content.

Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit.

Nov 16, 2013 1:48 AM

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skudoops said:
It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action.

Is this really what Madoka meant to say?

She said, she wouldn't want to go too far away from her family and friends because that would make her said, but even as a goddess Madoka can still do that. Sure, she wouldn't be there as an actual person, but as a an omnipotent being who is still with them because she is anywhere at any given time. So she is not far away at all.

I see no contradiction with Madoka being a goddess and her words in the park, just a huge misunderstanding on Homuras part.

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Nov 16, 2013 2:22 AM

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Raptor1221 said:
She is insane in both action and definition. She initially was selfless in her wish, but she became selfish as she went through the times lines.(...) the entire show is her vs QB with madoka as the prize and the other girls are the pieces.

Nov 16, 2013 2:24 AM

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I think Lelia is correct here, in that Madoka got what she wanted but Homura did not. Thus, Rebellion is about Homura getting what she wants, because she believes it's also what Madoka truly wanted.

Here's a summary of what happened from each character's perspective, and also why what Madoka said in the park is what she really wanted (and not necessarily what she wished for when she made her contract and became a principle of the universe):

Character_Perspectives

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Nov 16, 2013 2:37 AM

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I actually loved this movie.

Nov 16, 2013 2:46 AM

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For the people who watched the movie http://youtu.be/vvpYavUIqyU?t=1m5s
anyone else noticed how some scenes were different in the pv with other context?
what a trolls...

Nov 16, 2013 2:48 AM

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Exeneva said:
Rebellion is about Homura getting what she wants, because she believes it's also what Madoka truly wanted.

That's exactly it, it's about what Homura wants... believing it's also what Madoka wants. Believing.

Nov 16, 2013 2:54 AM

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Lelia said:

skudoops said:
It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action.

Is this really what Madoka meant to say?

She said, she wouldn't want to go too far away from her family and friends because that would make her said, but even as a goddess Madoka can still do that. Sure, she wouldn't be there as an actual person, but as a an omnipotent being who is still with them because she is anywhere at any given time. So she is not far away at all.

I see no contradiction with Madoka being a goddess and her words in the park, just a huge misunderstanding on Homuras part.

but your forget that everybody forget her
what use she be there if nobody reminded her !!
so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes

Nov 16, 2013 3:47 AM

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baltazak said:

but your forget that everybody forget her
what use she be there if nobody reminded her !!
so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes

Not quite.

Nov 16, 2013 4:22 AM

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Yakuri said:

baltazak said:

but your forget that everybody forget her
what use she be there if nobody reminded her !!
so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes

Not quite.

Nov 16, 2013 6:58 AM

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Yakuri said:
Not quite.

You're forgetting Madoka's family and non-magical friends. If Madoka is to be believed, it was painful to part with them and see them forget about her. She couldn't have been happy that way.

I do agree that what Homura did wasn't exactly the "right thing." She's trying to give Madoka some happiness, but Madoka makes it clear she believes duty comes first than her own happiness. Homura is aware of all this though. There's no delusion about what she's doing. She knows is wrong, but she will follow through on her decision nonetheless and try to make her happy for as long as she can.

Than been said, I feel that Homura didn't have much of choice anyway. QB was still a threat to Madoka and Homura needed to deal with him somehow. Becoming the "Devil" was probably the only way she found to deal the little critter.

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Nov 16, 2013 8:44 AM

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Apparently extreme lesbianism can corrupt a soul gem and turn a mahou shoujo into a supreme being far greater than a God. Okay.

Nov 16, 2013 9:17 AM

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Lelia said:

skudoops said:
It's not conclusive (they actually stated they wanted this ending to be open), but it's definitely explains homura's actions. That and of course the conversation Homura has the park/field w/e with Madoka, when she says that she doesn't want to go far away from them. From there Homura realizes that Madoka really did not want to become a goddess and this realization probably pushed her over the edge and made her decide to take drastic action.

Is this really what Madoka meant to say?

She said, she wouldn't want to go too far away from her family and friends because that would make her said, but even as a goddess Madoka can still do that. Sure, she wouldn't be there as an actual person, but as a an omnipotent being who is still with them because she is anywhere at any given time. So she is not far away at all.

I see no contradiction with Madoka being a goddess and her words in the park, just a huge misunderstanding on Homuras part.

The realization by Homura is that Madoka did not want to be a WANT to be a goddess, but merely that she had the courage to be one because she thought it was the right thing to do. That's why Homura said she should have used all her means to try to stop her.

There isn't a contradiction there, Madoka is simply stating her true feelings about the subject.

Nov 16, 2013 9:50 AM

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baltazak said:

Yakuri said:

baltazak said:

but your forget that everybody forget her
what use she be there if nobody reminded her !!
so yes homura did the right thing it was the only way to fulfill here wishes

Not quite.

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Nov 16, 2013 10:40 AM

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Pipoko said:

In which part of the movie was it mentioned that Madoka didn't want to turn into the goddess, again?

In the flower scene where Madoka is braiding Homura's hair.

Nov 16, 2013 12:45 PM

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shame it didnt give many memorable scenes you can re-watch without getting tired

Nov 16, 2013 2:21 PM

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That Homura vs Mami fight was so sick. Wow what a ending too. Any loved the show, loved the movies, thank you folks at Shaft for putting this together.

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Nov 16, 2013 4:38 PM

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1idd0kun said:
You're forgetting Madoka's family and non-magical friends. If Madoka is to be believed, it was painful to part with them and see them forget about her. She couldn't have been happy that way.

I do agree that what Homura did wasn't exactly the "right thing." She's trying to give Madoka some happiness, but Madoka makes it clear she believes duty comes first than her own happiness. Homura is aware of all this though. There's no delusion about what she's doing. She knows is wrong, but she will follow through on her decision nonetheless and try to make her happy for as long as she can.

Than been said, I feel that Homura didn't have much of choice anyway. QB was still a threat to Madoka and Homura needed to deal with him somehow. Becoming the "Devil" was probably the only way she found to deal the little critter.

What decision doesn't have things that we regret? Homura sure as hell isn't happy with her decision either, but she still makes it for Madoka just like Madoka did it for her and all the magical girls. Why justify Homura's actions, while not Madoka's? And yes, it's painful for her family not to remember, but she still is remembered by all magical girls that come to Law of Cycle like Sayaka and BB and she specifically said she's always with everyone and one day Homura and her will meet again and in the movie she says "from now on we'll always be together" so while it's sad in some ways, it's good in others. Her perception of being with someone is forever changed when she becomes a goddess, thus her non-memory perception of being far apart with everyone is still limited to how a human thinks about it, so why is it Homura's actions that are more justified? Also, Madoka's wish let's magical girls follow through with their wishes. Is it sad? Yes because they don't live to be happy with the people they love (ex. Sayaka) but that's still their own decision. Homura basically took away Madoka's decision, trapping her in a nice, happy cage. Homura wants Madoka to live the happy way... her -Homura's- way. She controls the universe now, thus can do whatever the hell she wants if things don't go her way. And about QB, I agree her decision helped that way but it wasn't her priority. Her priority was to stop Madoka from being a goddess. She could've just wiped him and his race off the universe and help in some way to all magical girls, but doesn't. I'm sure now that she controls everything she could just as well make it so their witch system isn't needed in Earth. Also, why make Madoka the transfer student? The contrast is obvious with how she first met her, being the bumbling, weak, not-so-smart transfer student who gets helped by the nurse's helper, thus wants to control Madoka.

I can see Homura this idealized version of Madoka in her head, and doesn't want her to do any decisions that stray from what she -Homura- thinks is the "real" happy Madoka. "without any doubt you're the real you" she says, even though the one who knows Madoka the best is Madoka. Her changing Madoka's life so drastically that she spent three years in the US doesn't help win me over, "real" Madoka never did that, that's something Homura decided. Why? All I can think about is that that way Madoka is in a vulnerable position and will need rely on someone to show her around and be friends. That someone being Homura.

That said I don't think Homura is the "devil," she did what she thought was best in her point of view, the problem is that she came to the "I'm gonna control freaking everything" conclusion, it's her way or no way. Madoka never changed anyone's choices, never changed memories to her whim. They did change only to the extent to wipe her off the memories of people, but besides that, she respected everyone's choices and wishes (apologizing to Sayaka when she comes to retrieve her, because she respected Sayaka's wish of healing Kyosuke's arm).

I think what I like the most about the movies though is that defending both Homura and Madoka's decisions are valid points. There really is no black and white because someone will always be unsatisfied with the choices of others.

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Nov 16, 2013 4:43 PM

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Susser said:
shame it didnt give many memorable scenes you can re-watch without getting tired

Nov 16, 2013 5:20 PM

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OK, firstly I want to say, hi - this is my first post after all - secondly, enormous thanks for spoiling big plot twist ! Some people apparently don't know how to use spoiler tags... Is this really so hard to give your opinion on the movie without spoiling it for the others? Fortunately, I only read one, single thing about this one character - so far I don't know why she did what she did, and how she did it, so I'm not completely spoiled.

But thakns to this spoiler I already have ambivalent feelings about this movie - movie that I didn't seen yet. On the one hand I'm little surprised that some people are dead set against this one person essentially turning to the dark side. For me at least, PMMM was mainly about simple fact that "road to hell is paved with good intentions" and that most heroes, are tragic heroes. So this plot twist seems to fit nicely with main theme of the show. In fact this movie seems to have few things that made show good: thought provoking themes, plot twist and character development. On the other hand I don't like entire concept of the devil. I agree with this lady, who said that Devil Is a Boring Bad Guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwurmKW-z4
Thing that really made me like PMMM was it's moral ambiguity - only Madoka Kaname can be considered a Mary Sue ,other characters weren't either good or evil and they were posing a moral dilemmas. Look at Kyubey - you can have endless debate about his morality, after all he was doing bad things for good reason: do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?, can you judge an alien by human standards?, what is more important: reason or emotions? etc. This same can be said about the girls - none of them were bad, they were just misguided: naive and full of good intentions, yet jealous and selfish at the same time. Compared to this this devil seems to be extremely boring and one dimensional. I don't like moral absolutes in fiction, and we already have pink haired goddess, who can do no wrong. Do we really need the devil, to make Madoka's world even more black and white?

So I have few questions for you guys. Without spoilers tell me: is the devil portrayed as one dimensional and inherently evil or is this person simply misguided and pitiful? Do you feel sorry for this person can you have sympathy for the devil? Are there any shades of grey in Madoka's world now, or is this pure good and evil conflict ? Do you think that transformation into the devil was handled well, do you think that it was believable or if it was contrived and out of character? I ask for opinion of people who seen the movie, and not just read some spoilers.

Nov 16, 2013 5:26 PM

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WOW
SHE SAID IT
SHE SAID IT
IT TOOK 12 EPS AND 3 MOVIES BUT SHE SAID IT AT LEAST
YEAH
What's with this ending though.. It depresses me a lot wow...
Wow..

Nov 16, 2013 5:41 PM

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Tachikoma1701 said:
I ask for opinion of people who seen the movie, and not just read some spoilers.

Her comparison to the "devil" isn't a good vs evil thing. The reason she is considered to represent the devil is very different to what you probably think it is. Also, this is an episode discussion thread, obviously spoilers are going to be going around like crazy, I avoided this thread until I saw the movie.

Nov 16, 2013 6:18 PM

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Good to know that anime can have me sitting on the edge of my seat still.
Been apathetic to anime lately since there haven't been any good stories.

Rebellion delivered.
Homura is such a boss.

Nov 16, 2013 8:10 PM

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Tachikoma1701 said:
So I have few questions for you guys. Without spoilers tell me: is the devil portrayed as one dimensional and inherently evil or is this person simply misguided and pitiful? Do you feel sorry for this person can you have sympathy for the devil? Are there any shades of grey in Madoka's world now, or is this pure good and evil conflict ? Do you think that transformation into the devil was handled well, do you think that it was believable or if it was contrived and out of character? I ask for opinion of people who seen the movie, and not just read some spoilers.

There's no evil or demon. The following does have spoiler so read at your own choice as to why I think so, but it really is not the kind of devil or "good vs evil" that you think. Also, if you're so impatient to come to the movie discussion thread then expect spoilers in some degree. Get the camrip and pay legitimately for it later if you wanna watch it now.

Omniknight said:
Rebellion delivered.
Homura is such a boss.

I don't understand people who didn't like it, I think it was pretty freaking sweet too. Homura is boss is boss is boss indeed :D

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Nov 16, 2013 8:26 PM

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I only have one thing to say about this movie.
IT IS FINALLY FUCKING DONE
Now, please shaft, focus on something more important than milking money out of popular series, like... well i don't know... making Kizumonogatari maybe?

Isn't that essentially milking money out of a popular series as well? Madoka and Monogatari are SHAFT's two biggest franchises.

Nov 16, 2013 11:56 PM

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Exeneva said:
It may be "open" in the sense that there could be a possible follow-up series, but the original series had an ending that was only partially conclusive, and this ending feels more 'conclusive' than the original in my opinion.

Are you kidding me. The TV-series ending might have been somewhat bittersweet in the sense that Homura technically failed... but then again, not really. She did protect Madoka. She did "save her before she was deceived by Kyubey" which was exactly wht Madoka asked her to do. Madoka then proceeded to realize the potential that had been set up for her through the entire series to completely screw over the completely twisted system Kyubey had set up and creating a better world where there actually was a light at the end of the tunnel for the MGs where before there was none. And then Homura continues the fight in that new world, honoring Madoka's memory. There was no need for a continuation. At all. Ever. This on the other hand? Between Sayaka's implications that Homura's new world is horribly unstable, Homura's own claims that she and Madoka will probably become enemies due to their clashing ideologies, and the fact that Madoka technically still has all her powers only they're being suppressed, which then points to the very distinct possibility that sooner or later she will regain control of those powers and remember who she is... There is literally nothing conclusive about this ending. That said... I honestly feel, again, that a continuation would only cheapen it, because I don't see how they can possibly actually develop this premise and keep it interesting for very long. They've essentially elevated the scope of the story to such a ridiculous level that there is hardly any way left of keeping up with it.

ihateeveryone said:
>Everyone says that Homura did what she did just because she wanted to take away Madoka for herself and that it was selfish and shit
>Its fucking revealed that Madoka didn't want to become an existence that no one could remember and that she was scared and that even if she stayed in Goddess form its likely that Kyuubey would've continued to seek her out until he was able to control Madoka's power

Maybe try idk watching the movie

Do keep in mind that the Madoka who said that had no memory of her previous ascension to godhood and all that related stuff. As far as she was concerned, she was just a normal Magical Girl fighting against bad dreams in a preposterously saccharine world.
Oh yeah, and it also bears mentioning that those claims blatantly contradict what she said in episode 12, where she made that wish being fully aware of the consequences and stated that she was perfectly fine with them, if it meant saving everyone. Oh and the way she phrases it here in the movie is that she isn't "brave enough" to do something like that. Again, completely going against her statements in the series.

1idd0kun said:
Than been said, I feel that Homura didn't have much of choice anyway. QB was still a threat to Madoka and Homura needed to deal with him somehow. Becoming the "Devil" was probably the only way she found to deal the little critter.

You know, again I'm gonna have to bring back the old "Nothing in the movie to back up that claim"-thing. I realize that this makes me seem like I'm unwilling to accept anything that isn't spelled out, which is not the case at all, but I'd say Homura's interactions with, well... everyone she interacts with post-Devilification, contradict this theory. Notice how through her conversation with Kyubey, she's basically just mocking him from start to finish and gloating about how much better she is than him and how he could never even comprehend her reasons for doing what she just did and, oh, she's gonna keep him around because she still has use for him (even though she could TOTALLY just wipe him out of existence, I presume is the implication here)... Now, you'd think that if her motivation was to protect Madoka from Kyubey, she might have brought that up too... Then there's her conversation with Sayaka afterwards, where she lays on the evilness so thick that I can't even imagine any way she could come off as more obviously evil than she is, even basically going all "Hmmm, destroy the universe you say? Sure, that might be fun. Come back after you've killed all of the Wraiths (which we all know will never happen) and then we can be enemies, 'kay?"
Now, admittedly Homura has been known to withhold information that could admittedly be helpful on several occasions before ("So yeah, your friend Mami just died. Remember that this is what happens when you become a Magical Girl. Oh and also witches are just Magical Girls who have succumbed to despair so unless you don't want to become the very thing that just murdered your friend you might wanna cut your ties with Kyubey forever, 'kay?" <- Helpful bit of info that might have potentially prevented Sayaka from making a contract and meeting a horrible end in the show) but see, protecting Madoka from Kyubey... That's a perfectly sound and logical justification, and if she really had such a good reason, I can't see any reason why she would rather go and put on a freaking Satan-act rather than just telling Sayaka (who, mind you, still remembered what happened at the time) why she'd done it.

Nov 17, 2013 12:26 AM

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Amazing film.
Became instantly one of my top 3 favorite anime films along with Eva 3.0 and End of Eva.

Nov 17, 2013 12:44 AM

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This is just eating me inside. I had to create an account to ask.

So I read a fairly vague review but then I saw an image concerning

How much did I screw myself? If anyone could reply in a spoiler free manner, just in case :) Much appreciated

Nov 17, 2013 2:27 AM

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Vegard_Aune said:
There is literally nothing conclusive about this ending.

I stopped caring about your opinion here. I understand you may be upset about it, but there's no reason to use a phrase like 'are you kidding me' as a response to my own interpretation of the ending, and then present your interpretation and say there is 0% conclusion in this film.

The film is emotionally heavy and thinking about it can be emotionally heavy. Please calm down.

EDIT: I just want to point out something already mentioned in this thread as a sort of follow-up. Madoka makes her wish at the end of the original series because she believes it is her duty and the best thing she can do. However, duty and best possible choice do not coincide with what she necessarily would have wanted, which is probably to live a good life with her friends and family. This is what she reveals to Homura in the movie, and although she does not explicitly say this in the original series, it can easily be inferred that she made her decision at the end because she felt she had to and not because she wanted to.

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AoNoise said:
This is just eating me inside. I had to create an account to ask.

So I read a fairly vague review but then I saw an image concerning...
How much did I screw myself? If anyone could reply in a spoiler free manner, just in case :) Much appreciated

Ha, I have this same problem actually, but at least I don't know how and why she become this devil like figure. So, not all is lost. :)

Yakuri said:
There's no evil or demon. The following does have spoiler so read at your own choice as to why I think so, but it really is not the kind of devil or "good vs evil" that you think. Also, if you're so impatient to come to the movie discussion thread then expect spoilers in some degree. Get the camrip and pay legitimately for it later if you wanna watch it now.
.

Well, all I'm saying is that people should use spoiler tags before posting key plot details. That's why spoiler tag were invented right? As for watching it legally I'm afraid that I don't have this option at all. In my country you can buy manga based on TV show but you can only watch TV show on the internet - I've seen it on youtube and really like it. So I will probably be forced to watch movie illegally. But I'm waiting for good quality copy with english subtitles and don't want to be spoiled before I've seen it. I only want to know if movie was any good or not?

I didn't read your spoilers, but thanks for letting me know that this whole "devil" thing is not so black and white as it seems to be. I'm still somewhat concerned but I don't think that TV show need a continuation, since it is self contained, so if movie is bad I can at least pretend that show's ending was definitive ending. Anyway, thanks for replying.

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Exeneva said:

Vegard_Aune said:
There is literally nothing conclusive about this ending.

I stopped caring about your opinion here. I understand you may be upset about it, but there's no reason to use a phrase like 'are you kidding me' as a response to my own interpretation of the ending, and then present your interpretation and say there is 0% conclusion in this film.

Well see, had you just said that this was an interesting ending, I would not have reacted in such a manner... My problem is that 1: You claimed the TV-series ending wasn't conclusive, 2: This movie's ending wraps everything up in a satisfying manner, and 3: The movie's ending was MORE conclusive than the show's. And I don't merely disagree with those claims... they are quite literally POLAR OPPOSITES of what I think. Especially that last one. Heck, the movie ended the way it did specifically because Shinbo wanted an ending that left the door open for a continuation. It's intentionally inconclusive, for goodness' sake.

Nov 17, 2013 8:08 AM

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ernst

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Homura vs Mami is awesome! Did the ribbon turn invisible or they just didnt want to animate it?

"Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk
"Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night
"We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER
"Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate
"We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita
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Nov 17, 2013 9:40 AM

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ernst said:
Homura vs Mami is awesome! Did the ribbon turn invisible or they just didnt want to animate it?

I'd imagine it was invisible, that'd make more sense.

Nov 17, 2013 9:49 AM

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HaXXspetten

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Ok this film didn't really develop the way I thought it would, but that was probably for the best. Humura vs Mami was pretty sick, and the last 30-40 mins were definitely backstabbing galore, really cool to see. Overall I wouldn't say it was as good as the original series, but close enough to be a worthy successor to the throne.

Yandere Homura moe

HaXXspettenNov 17, 2013 10:17 AM

Nov 17, 2013 10:08 AM

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I rewatched the last 20 minutes, now I think I understand a little more why Homura did that.
But could someone be kind enough to tell me why did she need QB? ._. I'm kind of lost.

Nov 17, 2013 10:40 AM

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Vegard_Aune said:

Well see, had you just said that this was an interesting ending, I would not have reacted in such a manner... My problem is that 1: You claimed the TV-series ending wasn't conclusive,

I said the original series ending was only partially conclusive. This is because I felt like Homura really didn't succeed and because Madoka made her decision at the end out of duty. Remember that the whole reason why Madoka had such infinite potential in the first place is because Homura kept going back in time and increasing the amount of karmic threads intersecting with Madoka's life.

Vegard_Aune said:

2: This movie's ending wraps everything up in a satisfying manner, and 3: The movie's ending was MORE conclusive than the show's.

Homura is my favorite character in the series, and I believe the film ending did wrap things up better than the original, although the original ending is still great.

Nov 17, 2013 11:20 AM

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Chepri

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The original ending doesn't really fit to the Madoka Series, because the series heavily builds on a concept many call "the first law of equivalent exchange". The whole Madoka series is about trading one thing for another and most of the times it isn't very clear, if this new situation is better or worse, because it allows the series to be more dramatic.
Madoka and Homura were bound from the beginning to suffer and all their action with each other just reinforced this bound. They were never supposed to be happy.
That is for example the reason I like the ending: Homura now has Madoka back in the form she got to know her, but in exchange became her enemy.
Another thing is the role reversal. Episode 10 of the series is the best example and the movie does it again.
So I can't really picture, why Urobuchi wanted to have a nice/good ending, which wouldn't continue the series as she was, especially an ending, which ends the series. I met him personally in July and actually this is the 2th time I am not happy with him.

ChepriNov 17, 2013 5:28 PM

All hail the Nutcracker Queen!

Nov 17, 2013 1:22 PM

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