cupc said: The new twist of Misato being angry to Shinji was natural, Shinji did destroy the world 14 years ago. It may have felt like a moment to us, to them it has been over a decade. Wasn't Misato cheering Shinji on when he initiated 3rd impact in 2.0, though? And even if we're ignoring that, Misato was always a supportive mother figure to Shinji. If something happened to make such a 180 turn in her character, then we need to be shown it. Not doing so is poor storytelling at best. Furthermore, it's not just basic character motivations that make no sense, but also basic things like "why haven't the Eva pilots aged" or "why are Misato, Asuka, Ritskuo, etc fighting against Nerv now?". How can the audience be expected to believe any of this when we are given no explanation whatsoever? There is a big difference between a mindfuck (End of Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain) and poorly explaining your plot and characters. 3.0 just wasted so much time, and you really can't do that with a 90 minute movie. |
sgtnanners said: Those who left 3.0 thinking it was bad just because it was confusing should read this perspective. http://wrongeverytime.com/2014/02/10/once-more-with-fury-rebuilding-evangelion/ How much of this that is actually true is really left up to interpretation, but damn is this argument well defended. It only strengthens my opinion that Anno is one of the most brilliant minds the industry has ever seen. Fantastic article. |
| Fight Club > Anime Scott Pilgrim > Manga Death Cab for Cutie > Yuki Kajura "Who'd you rather be? The Beatles or The Rolling Stones?" MY REVIEWS! READ THEM. http://myanimelist.net/profile/StillSwingin007/reviews |
| All I see when people review this poorly is "didn't answer my questions/added new questions" and "characters do things that don't make sense". It's like they forgot they are watching EVA or something. Maybe it's the long wait time between films. Personally, I had trouble with 2.22 because the departure from the original story was bothering me and I was worried that the story wouldn't end up in a place that was worth deviating from the original so much. A lot of times it rubs me the wrong way and makes me experience cognitive dissonance when a remake of a series I love has significant differences in the plot. Because of this, I was kind of let down at the beginning of 3.33 and just couldn't believe it had deviated so far but that was just Anno trying to make the viewer experience the same confusion as Shinji. The idea of learning the ins and outs of two different versions of the same story usually kind of bothers me but after seeing 3.33 I am totally okay with making room in my mind for two wildly different incarnations of Eva. |
Aenglaan said: cupc said: The new twist of Misato being angry to Shinji was natural, Shinji did destroy the world 14 years ago. It may have felt like a moment to us, to them it has been over a decade. Wasn't Misato cheering Shinji on when he initiated 3rd impact in 2.0, though? And even if we're ignoring that, Misato was always a supportive mother figure to Shinji. If something happened to make such a 180 turn in her character, then we need to be shown it. Not doing so is poor storytelling at best. Furthermore, it's not just basic character motivations that make no sense, but also basic things like "why haven't the Eva pilots aged" or "why are Misato, Asuka, Ritskuo, etc fighting against Nerv now?". How can the audience be expected to believe any of this when we are given no explanation whatsoever? . Misato was a nurturing mother figure to Shinji because doing so was in line with her goal of preventing another impact. By 3.0, pretty much any reason for her to continue on like she was has evaporated. In 2.0 she is only seen cheering him on until until she grasps the situation, then her attitude clearly changes as the scene begins to look a lot like second impact and the memories come flooding back. "Wings?! Just like 15 years ago!" At this point and especially after 14 years, I don't really think there is any more explanation required for Misato's change in attitude toward shinji. Regarding how the Eva pilots haven't aged, Asuka says "curse of Eva". In two instances, Ritsuko mentions that when pilots achieve a high pug depth, their very humanity is endangered. Shinji, Asuka & Mari all have achieved high plug depth at different points in the series/movies. It should be obvious why Wille is fighting against Nerv....to prevent an impact from ever happening again which will be expanded upon further in the next film. |
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| I thought this was the best movie out of all of the them, and even better than the series. |
sgtnanners said: Those who left 3.0 thinking it was bad just because it was confusing should read this perspective. http://wrongeverytime.com/2014/02/10/once-more-with-fury-rebuilding-evangelion/ How much of this that is actually true is really left up to interpretation, but damn is this argument well defended. It only strengthens my opinion that Anno is one of the most brilliant minds the industry has ever seen. This is brilliant. The strongest defense of NGE and it's rebuild... but not one I entirely agree with. Because while NGE may have been speaking on a much deeper level about the anime-nation, and the rebuild to those NGE fans who stayed obtusely in their fantasy, the movie is still shit and confusing as shit. What's worse is that there are people who think 3.0 is actually good, the best even. Stripped down of anything remotely deep, removed from the things that make NGE special, and they say it's all that they ever wanted. What NGE should have been. It's a spectacle filled with tv tropes and people like it. As someone who enjoyed NGE for its amazing characterization and lesson in personal relations, hearing that people liked 3.0 makes me sick. But this article at least helps me understand why 3.0 is so bad... Even makes me happy knowing this defilement of Evangelion could have been done on purpose. But if Hideki Anno wanted to send such a message, there could have been a better way. Just scrap the robots entirely and make Eva a romantic harem. That's what everyone says it should be. So give the broken boy his broken harem, pursue romance (and one homoerotic fantasy) and tell everyone straight to their face that these people are broken and shouldn't be fantasized about. And then close the curtains with a traumatic ending about everyone having an Oedipus complex... Okay, sorry, anger. Must calm anger. I'm sorry, but as convincing an argument as that article is, it cannot justify the many, many flaws 3.0 has. |
| I thought it was good |
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| It was pointless addition to the franchise. Also very questionable boys love vibes. |
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| Really enjoyed it, but I guess that's just my "shit" taste. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Yeah, all sense was thrown out the window. It's fun to watch for the "wtf" factor though... but it's not necessarily the good kind of wtf. EoE = good wtf 3.0 = bad wtf |
| In 2.0, Shinji started getting out a little more. Rei seemed to be in love with him. Asuka seemed to be in love with him! He fell on Mari's tits! And he wanted to fight in the robot! It gave all the non-Evangelion fans what they wanted - a generic anime with high production values and the complexity of lore that is as well regarded as Evangelion. In other words, these guys wanted Sword Art Online, but didn't want to admit they wanted such lowest common denominator trash, so they had to turn to something with a little more depth. Then 3.0 came and took away the SAO from the Evangelion and everyone was like FUCK WHERE'S THE SAO IN MY EVANGELION, except they didn't want to admit they wanted their SAO, so they resorted to saying 3.0 sucks. True story. |
| @shiva88 Nothing from the original universe that I'm aware of will help you understand 3.33 better than waiting until the last movie. |
| @shiva88 4.0 was supposed to be released a long time ago, from what I heard Anno was really strict with the English Dub of 3.33 wanting it to be "really good" and now he's also working on Godzilla Resurgence, so we probably won't see 4.0 at least until after the Godzilla hype is done and over with. Last year he posted about working on Godzilla on April 1st, this year, same day he posts about Godzilla vs. Evangelion so I'm going to assume that's real too unless he's just being a huge douchebag, which actually wouldn't surprise me. Tl;dr 4.0 is a mystery, he keeps doing other things. |
| So is Evangelion 3.0 really that bad? - Yes. |
| No, not at all, and far from that; at least not in my opinion. I just rewatched it while asking myself why I thought it was excellent the first time I saw it. When the end credits began rolling, I remembered and understood why. |
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| Story is nowhere near NGE but more like a spin-off. Main problem is the characters and dialogues, total cringe. |
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