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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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4 out of 5: Liked it
 
45 17.31%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
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2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
4 1.54%
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02-07-09, 5:08 AM

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Oh yea finally Ushio came! She's the reason i picked this series back up and marathon'ed it in less than 1 day. Ever since the first ep of season 1 i've been wondering who that girl was in the OP, and i thought season 1 kinda suck leaving that unexplained and the issue between Tomoya and his father unsettle'd. Tomoya being a lousy father ever since Nagisa's death is most likely a plot so that he could be in his father shoes, but only almost. Now that he's going to a trip with Ushio, i'm guessing something will happen leading him thinking of his dad.

Shio-chan will probably save Tomoya from his misery, can't wait to see how it's done.
 
02-07-09, 5:10 AM

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Darn it's out and I completely forgot about it D:
*downloading*
 
02-07-09, 6:33 AM

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OH MY GOD I WANTED TO SLAP TOMOYA IN THE FACE! he's totally not a good father, not a good PERSON! I can't believe he's like.... he's like his own father! he pissed me off so much... he should have at least raised Ushio for Nagisa's sake. i think that he would have been an abusive father though... i think he needs a good cry and give him a fresh start.
 
02-07-09, 7:06 AM
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iulli said:
I fell in love with Ushio the moment I saw her.

I was terrified to watch this episode...I was expecting a lot more wallowing out of Tomoya. But it wasn't as depressing as I had imagined! I'm glad for that.... although its so painful to watch Tomoya living like he is T__T The episode felt so empty without Nagisa.
But high hopes for next episode! One step closer to being together!

I'm hoping someone will tell Tomoya: Ushio isn't the reason for Nagisa's death...Ushio is the reason that Nagisa still lives.
<3


The first screenshot is the best :P

Now technicaly speaking Usio is the reason Nagisa died. But of course it isnt Usios fault :)

And yeah Usio shall remind Tomoya Nagisa and what she wished for :(
That girl definately needs some love from her dad :S

 
02-07-09, 7:29 AM

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This episode is probably another calm one before the storm. Like how in the previous episodes where it's all happy then we see Nagisa passing away.

Suggesting from the preview, I think


And also, Ushio is just too cute. Just as how Nagisa was cute for me during the first few episodes of the first one. Well, she's still, but I found her case to be similar to Ushio's. Anyway, I'm more afraid to see the next episodes...I thought I would finally get to the limit where I wanna punch Tomoya, but then there comes the various parts and made me wanna punch Tomoya for one reason. I wonder how things will turn out from this point.
 
02-07-09, 8:08 AM
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Oh god. Ushio totally inherited Nagisa's cuteness, and even multiplied it by 2! This episode's cuteness was off the charts, really. A really great episode, though I'm still all ;__; because of Nagisa. The little Kanon reference was great too. I thought it was great how they showed Tomoya not giving a damn anymore, drinking and smoking.

:: there'll be nothing left to defend tomorrow :: last.fm


 
02-07-09, 8:09 AM

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What a great episode.
Ushio is so cute and smart.
I smiled almost the whole episode long.

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I thought her voice was perfect.

Yeah, her voice was great. <3
 
02-07-09, 8:46 AM

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Great eps i tho it would be a painful eps but it wasn't thank god =] Ushio is kawaii funny how she always say she need to go the toilet xD good to see Ushio still has the same voice actor from the game/movie
 
02-07-09, 9:54 AM

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Tomoya being like that...:( Ushio is so cute :3
 
02-07-09, 9:57 AM

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OH MY GOD I WANTED TO SLAP TOMOYA IN THE FACE! he's totally not a good father, not a good PERSON! I can't believe he's like.... he's like his own father! he pissed me off so much... he should have at least raised Ushio for Nagisa's sake. i think that he would have been an abusive father though... i think he needs a good cry and give him a fresh start.


Really? Tomoya's dad injures him and is constantly drunk, while Tomoya cooks for, talks to, and fixes Ushio's toy? How are they the same?
 
02-07-09, 10:07 AM

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Yeah, Tomoya hasn't done anything bad to Ushio yet. You guys are being too hard on him D:
 
02-07-09, 10:30 AM

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Well they seem to have this season on hyper speed. Wish they showed abit more of Tomoya struggling and others trying to help him. With this rate I'm kinda of timid to watch the next episode...
 
02-07-09, 10:55 AM

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Really? Tomoya's dad injures him and is constantly drunk, while Tomoya cooks for, talks to, and fixes Ushio's toy? How are they the same?

Just pointing this out, he cooked for himself and just made extra for her without catering to her tastes. Technically I guess that is cooking for her, but not really.
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Yeah, Tomoya hasn't done anything bad to Ushio yet. You guys are being too hard on him D:

Well you can't exactly tell anyone that what he's doing is good parenting.
 
02-07-09, 11:09 AM

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He asked her what she wanted, and said if you don't say anything, I'll cook something I like. Fried rice is made w/ green peppers...children don't like green peppers so of course, the parent would say, you have to eat it. When she didn't he made her rice. I know when I was 5, and I said I didn't like the food I was eating my parents said "I don't care, you're eating it." Both are solid forms of parenting.
 
02-07-09, 11:49 AM

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Technically, Ushio isn't going to school when the episode ended.

Anyway I expected to see more of Tomoya and his depression in this episode but instead we got to see Ushio-- she really resembles Nagisa. I somehow feel bad for Tomoya. haha. overall, good episode.
 
02-07-09, 12:44 PM

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---nica said:
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Technically, Ushio isn't going to school when the episode ended.

Anyway I expected to see more of Tomoya and his depression in this episode but instead we got to see Ushio-- she really resembles Nagisa. I somehow feel bad for Tomoya. haha. overall, good episode.

Not everyone can understand 100% of the story when only the RAW was out at the time..

On a second note, I just had to watch this a second time, and it never gets old. I absolutely adored the hand gesture when Ushio took that first bite of Fried Rice. <3
 
02-07-09, 12:47 PM

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Kyaaa. I can't get over how CUTE and ADORABLE Ushio is! She's like a mini-Nagisa! I really can't blame Tomoya for not looking after Ushio this whole time. But still, I hope Ushio helps him follow the right path in his life. :\

Nagisa...! I MISS YOUUU. ;____;


 
02-07-09, 12:51 PM

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He asked her what she wanted, and said if you don't say anything, I'll cook something I like. Fried rice is made w/ green peppers...children don't like green peppers so of course, the parent would say, you have to eat it. When she didn't he made her rice. I know when I was 5, and I said I didn't like the food I was eating my parents said "I don't care, you're eating it." Both are solid forms of parenting.

So you're saying that he cooked that specific dish because he cared for her health and well being as opposed to just cooking it out of circumstance? This along with pretty much anything else he did for her?

Your latter point is negated by the fact that he ultimately didn't make her eat it. Let alone the fact that the reason for the peppers was because he said fried rice needs pepper, not that they are good for her (and in all honesty, when he used the word "kosho," I think he referred to pepper the spice, not the vegetable, since she sneezed as he was cooking).

I guess "solid parenting" can be a subjective phrase and level of acceptable parenting differs from person to person. So I'll stop here and say let's agree to disagree on Tomoya's parenting skills. And I'll agree also that Tomoya is better father than his own, relatively speaking.

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02-07-09, 1:09 PM

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Damn, looks like Tomoya is going to be a good father at this rate, but in the previews, it seems as if he's gonna turn into his father.

Overall, this was an excellent episode. Actually since about the second half of the series, the episodes have been getting stronger and stronger. So: 1st half = Weak, 2nd half = Strong, very strong. The remaining few episodes will be emotional, and I'm extremely curious as to what'll happen with the ending.
 
02-07-09, 1:30 PM

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I don't like her voice ><...

second to that. it sounded kinda cramped... well maybe she was cramped around Tomoya. but the voice was still too low for a girl-child.

also Ushio looks cute, but she doesn't act like an 5 year old... seemed more like 3 (i personally seconded to Tomoya's snap at her that he can poo on his own also)
 
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