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Sep 12, 2013 7:17 PM

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I just though it was odd that Nagai got execution but still had a feeling of he won't dying not yet but still was confused what is going on.

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Sep 13, 2013 2:33 AM

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I was shocked that Naegi was found guilty, but relieved after Alter Ego saved him. I can't wait for the next episode.
Sep 13, 2013 3:08 AM

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21:08 upupupupu upupupupu

22:37 PING-PONG-PANG-PONG

22:39 Toukochan <3

Kyoukochan was so lovely in this ep.
Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances.
He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter.
Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga.
Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month.
Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel.
The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck.
Sep 13, 2013 3:49 AM

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the anime version of detention really did well on giving the tense~
but again, those who saw the first execution from the anime must had even more adrenaline rush~

Hope vs despair-- looking forward on the next episode ^^
Sep 13, 2013 3:51 AM

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So they won't let us see the bad ending animated? Mmkay.

Naegi got lucky that he have Alter Ego to save his ass from being crushed. I wonder why the same thing won't happen if Kyouko is the one being voted guilty. Alter Ego is a being dick?

The final trial, I wonder how they are gonna handle it.

Sep 13, 2013 3:56 AM

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Psyche_Izaya said:
Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.


When i was playing the bad ending and it showed this, makes me wonder how


Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 13, 2013 7:25 AM

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Really good episode. I'm glad this is ending well, it's def preferable to a show that starts great and ends poorly. I really don't know how Hagakure is left...it's annoying actually, but maybe something will come of it.
Sep 13, 2013 7:30 AM

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That insert song with the guitar strums felt kinda out of place, lol.

Also, kinda nice. Next week's episode will be about investigation(from start to finish), and the last episode's going to be the trial. Lots of twists!

I wonder how Naegi survived that fall...

Hope vs Despair!
Sep 13, 2013 7:47 AM

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Wow I really thought Naegi was going to die but I'm glad he survived! I'm loving how Kirigiri is constantly one-upping Monokuma. Great episode cant wait till next week!
Sep 13, 2013 8:53 AM

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I'm surprised that everyone voted off Naegi as the culprit with no proof. Well I'm just glad Alter Ego was there to save him.

Kirigiri was interesting during the second half, by showing her background with her father, regained some memories, and challenging Monokuma to a final trial.

Sep 13, 2013 8:55 AM

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Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.
It's from the game? Meaning most students can survive even in a bad ending?
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Sep 13, 2013 9:11 AM

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Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.

omg what the heck LOL

anyway, decent episode, but I still feel like so many things are missing from this show and they're rushing like crazy.
Sep 13, 2013 9:12 AM

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If you really want to know about the bad ending:

symbv said:
Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.
It's from the game? Meaning most students can survive even in a bad ending?

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Sep 13, 2013 9:15 AM

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symbv said:
Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.
It's from the game? Meaning most students can survive even in a bad ending?
I guess its ok to say it,

In a free time event with hagakure he makes a prediction that his and naegi's kids would have the same mother, it was just something played for laughs cause hagakure's a idiot, but in the bad ending we see this picture
http://lparchive.org/Dangan-Ronpa/Update%20121/129-103-end.png

So yes, in the bad ending 5 people survive, grow up, have kids, and likley spend the rest of their lives in the school

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 13, 2013 9:17 AM

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DenjaX said:
If you really want to know about the bad ending:

symbv said:
Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.
It's from the game? Meaning most students can survive even in a bad ending?
Without Kirigiri, they couldn't solve any of the school's mysteries. thus live happily ever after. XD
Sep 13, 2013 10:31 AM

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alter ego saves the day ~
the trial was even more rushed than usual, but the rest of the episode was fine. now it's time for the final chapter! c:

Rarity said:
Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.


lololol yeah sadly
but i guess it wouldn't really have fit in the anime..
Sep 13, 2013 10:39 AM
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So, Naegi's neck in on the line, well, if the spoilers are correct he'll be find and so as Kirigiri and everyone else.
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Sep 13, 2013 11:07 AM

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This was a good episode. It's just been so funy that (I know this isn't a typical "school" ... but still) none of the kids seem to have been having any sort of education in this school. I mean, you can't have that crazy, psychotic bear teach these innocent kids - now could you? XD So, on the bright side, remaining in this school could mean freedom from homework, assignments, and tests. Nonetheless, I think that I would prefer leaving that nightmare despite that. I completely get it. :)
Sep 13, 2013 11:36 AM
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Aww Naegi really is a positive and nice guy. He just smiled when Kirigiri came to save him and told everyone it's not their fault but the mastermind who out them in that situation :') such a great person, you always need one of those in despairing situations like this. Good thing Alter Ego saved Naegi. Now I want to see all of the mysteries of the school being solved!
Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM

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Thanks DJIzzyIzzyHitler and DenjaX for explaining the bad end. I guess Fukawa has to be dead if Togami is to have a child with Asahina given how infatuated Fukawa is to Togami LOL
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Sep 13, 2013 12:45 PM

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nice episode.. and also they DID show some part of how if kirigiri was executed but not the full bad end ..
anyways .. next episode will be nice .. 'hope' ..
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Sep 13, 2013 2:07 PM

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I was surprised to see Alter Ego again. I thought this was a good episode I can't wait to see next week's!

Sep 13, 2013 3:15 PM

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Lollolo Togami is just too strong for Kirigiri, he attacked her head on, and then she blamed it all on poor Naegi, who always looks lost and almost got his ass executed.

Nice episode, conclusion is getting close, still I can't believe the 16th student is really dead, we didn't even saw her once.
Sep 13, 2013 3:18 PM

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Lollolo Togami is just too strong for Kirigiri, he attacked her head on, and then she blamed it all on poor Naegi, who always looks lost and almost got his ass executed.

Nice episode, conclusion is getting close, still I can't believe the 16th student is really dead, we didn't even saw her once.

Togami's arrogance is intimidating alone , attacking like a pathetic idiot is fearsome. He failed badly on this one .
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Sep 13, 2013 4:34 PM

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Did I miss something crucial, or has Kirigiri just tried to kill Naegi to save her hide and nobody seems to give a damn? Sure he's a boring, flat protagonist that nobody cares about and surely nobody would choose him over the cool detective girl, but shouldn't he be at least a little pissed about it? I mean it looks like "Yes, you just tried to murder me in cold blood, but I got saved by something completly random so all is fine and let's immidiately forget about it" :D


Kirigiri knows that if she died, no one else would have a chance at living since shes the one they want to target and she is the holder of the key. Albeit, she still has a purpose on why shes still playing the game, her life was technically more valuable than his.
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Sep 13, 2013 5:18 PM

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I love how they did this episode!
They wrapped up the trial quickly, while not skipping lots. So that was much appreciated.
Now let's hope they can do the best job they can with Chapter 6!
SO EXCITED.
Sep 13, 2013 5:36 PM

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Thanks DJIzzyIzzyHitler and DenjaX for explaining the bad end. I guess Fukawa has to be dead if Togami is to have a child with Asahina given how infatuated Fukawa is to Togami LOL


Actually, Fukawa seems to have died giving birth to a child, her child with Togami of course, they both wear glasses due to bad eyesight so that child having to wear glasses make it even more possible that they were Togami and Fukawa child, since both of his parents have bad eyesight. How else can Fukuwa died when they live in peace?

Beside Hagakura predicted that his child and Naegi's child will have the same mother, he never said Togami's will too.

Sep 13, 2013 5:37 PM

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Oh gosh, I read the LP, but Naegi's almost-execution still makes my heart hurt x.x

Sep 13, 2013 7:15 PM

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Well for the first time in this series, I'll finally say it - great episode. This has definitely made up a bit for my personal gripes with the series so far. Many possibilities of what will happen next are popping up in my head, only two episodes to go. Hoping this momentum continues for a solid ending.
Sep 13, 2013 7:54 PM

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Screwed up the investigation again.

I wonder how they'll fit the long last chapter in 2 episodes, it's probably gonna be even more rushed than the previous ones.
Sep 13, 2013 7:55 PM

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Was surprised that Naegi was found guilty.

Monobear tried to set up & kill Naegi but Alter ego saves him.Monobear did so cause the mastermind saw Naegi as a nuisance.Originally it was suppose to be Kirigiri but since Naegi was talking about how the trial seemed weird the mastermind changed his target to Naegi.

Kirigiri saving Naegi was kind of romantic<3.

So they have to discover all the mysteries of the school or they'll all be executed.

Also...
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I thought I was the only one who noticed Kirigiri's sexy legs XD.
Sep 13, 2013 8:01 PM

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Phew that was a surprising turn of events. Obviously Naegi wasn't going to die but I didn't expect him to have a near death trial.

Man I need to know the mystery behind the school.

Also...Naegi and Kirigiri make a good couple :D
Sep 13, 2013 8:03 PM

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Screwed up the investigation again.

I wonder how they'll fit the long last chapter in 2 episodes, it's probably gonna be even more rushed than the previous ones.
ok iv been holding back saying anything but what the fuck are you even talking about these past few episodes, these episodes arent rushed, especially chapter 4's which took its time. rushed was like chapter 2 where it glanced over everything and went at a trains pace, chap 4 and 5's adaptations are far from that, cause the worst they have is that they left out really unimportant parts like the bad ending or hagakure's alien encounter, they take their time and barely leave out anything, they even worked in alot of calm slow moments where characters just talk, when something is rushed those dont happen

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Sep 13, 2013 8:16 PM

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
Litrydow said:
Screwed up the investigation again.

I wonder how they'll fit the long last chapter in 2 episodes, it's probably gonna be even more rushed than the previous ones.
ok iv been holding back saying anything but what the fuck are you even talking about these past few episodes, these episodes arent rushed, especially chapter 4's which took its time. rushed was like chapter 2 where it glanced over everything and went at a trains pace, chap 4 and 5's adaptations are far from that

All the cases in the game were carefully crafted, paying attention to every detail, connecting every dot. In the anime, many elements were removed from the investigation, other clues were rendered useless, others were asspulled during the trials instead of presenting them before, it makes it impossible for the viewer trying to solve the case, and even the characters themselves jump to nonsensical conclusions because of the removed content.
Let's take Sakura's case for example. Some stuff I remember was asspulled during the trial:
- The protein container.
- The second bottle that was used to hit Sakura.
- How the cabinets of poisons were organized.
Stuff that was rendered useless:
- The magazine.
Details that were removed:
- The locker with prints inside.
- Naegi and Kirigiri weighing the bottle fragments.
- The name Hakagure wrote on the magazine.
- Togami verifying that the footsteps on the chemistry room just went for the first cabinet and went away.
There was probably more, but I don't remember right now.

Due to that lack of details, unrealistic stuff happen in the trials to reach the same conclusion.
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Litrydow said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
Litrydow said:
Screwed up the investigation again.

I wonder how they'll fit the long last chapter in 2 episodes, it's probably gonna be even more rushed than the previous ones.
ok iv been holding back saying anything but what the fuck are you even talking about these past few episodes, these episodes arent rushed, especially chapter 4's which took its time. rushed was like chapter 2 where it glanced over everything and went at a trains pace, chap 4 and 5's adaptations are far from that

All the cases in the game were carefully crafted, paying attention to every detail, connecting every dot. In the anime, many elements were removed from the investigation, other clues were rendered useless, others were asspulled during the trials instead of presenting them before, it makes it impossible for the viewer trying to solve the case, and even the characters themselves jump to nonsensical conclusions because of the removed content.
Let's take Sakura's case for example. Some stuff I remember was asspulled during the trial:
- The protein container.
- The second bottle that was used to hit Sakura.
- How the cabinets of poisons were organized.
Stuff that was rendered useless:
- The magazine.
Details that were removed:
- The locker with prints inside.
- Naegi and Kirigiri weighing the bottle fragments.
- The name Hakagure wrote on the magazine.
- Togami verifying that the footsteps on the chemistry room just went for the first cabinet and went away.
There was probably more, but I don't remember right now.

Due to that lack of details, unrealistic stuff happen in the trials to reach the same conclusion.
Dude. Those evidences that are left out can be considered as "not important" although it will make this adaptation very poor as it is. But despite not using the removed evidence, they still managed the trial well which they lead to the same conclusion and outcome. For example, the magazine with a dying message was removed, sure but they make it up with Fukawa's accusation to point out Hagakure being the culprit to advance quickly. In the game, they both deny on not being in the recreation room. With Fukawa's accusation in the anime, they advanced quickly without beating around the bush.

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DenjaX said:
Litrydow said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
Litrydow said:
Screwed up the investigation again.

I wonder how they'll fit the long last chapter in 2 episodes, it's probably gonna be even more rushed than the previous ones.
ok iv been holding back saying anything but what the fuck are you even talking about these past few episodes, these episodes arent rushed, especially chapter 4's which took its time. rushed was like chapter 2 where it glanced over everything and went at a trains pace, chap 4 and 5's adaptations are far from that

All the cases in the game were carefully crafted, paying attention to every detail, connecting every dot. In the anime, many elements were removed from the investigation, other clues were rendered useless, others were asspulled during the trials instead of presenting them before, it makes it impossible for the viewer trying to solve the case, and even the characters themselves jump to nonsensical conclusions because of the removed content.
Let's take Sakura's case for example. Some stuff I remember was asspulled during the trial:
- The protein container.
- The second bottle that was used to hit Sakura.
- How the cabinets of poisons were organized.
Stuff that was rendered useless:
- The magazine.
Details that were removed:
- The locker with prints inside.
- Naegi and Kirigiri weighing the bottle fragments.
- The name Hakagure wrote on the magazine.
- Togami verifying that the footsteps on the chemistry room just went for the first cabinet and went away.
There was probably more, but I don't remember right now.

Due to that lack of details, unrealistic stuff happen in the trials to reach the same conclusion.
Dude. Those evidences that are left out can be considered as "not important" although it will make this adaptation very poor as it is. But despite not using the removed evidence, they still managed the trial well which they lead to the same conclusion and outcome. For example, the magazine with a dying message was removed, sure but they make it up with Fukawa's accusation to point out Hagakure being the culprit to advance quickly. In the game, they both deny on not being in the recreation room. With Fukawa's accusation in the anime, they advanced quickly without beating around the bush.

And that's the problem: it advances quickly at the cost of plausability and wit.
Oh, and let's not forget it becomes impossible for the viewer to solve.
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And that's the problem: it advances quickly at the cost of plausability and wit.
Oh, and let's not forget it becomes impossible for the viewer to solve.
I see. You still haven't gotten over with the adaptation's nature of rushing things. xDD I thought it was very clear with our prior trials. xDD
Yeah, it sucks. Makes the mysteries more like a joke and childish though I still have hope with the final chapter's adaptation. They usually need more than one evidence to convince but I think the anime will use one evidence to convince everyone and probably will come out of thin air again. xDD

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Damn I really can't guess what's going to happen next.
Sep 13, 2013 11:19 PM

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Aww, we didn't get the bad ending.


what the fuck is this LOL
Sep 14, 2013 12:44 AM

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symbv said:
Thanks DJIzzyIzzyHitler and DenjaX for explaining the bad end. I guess Fukawa has to be dead if Togami is to have a child with Asahina given how infatuated Fukawa is to Togami LOL


Actually, Fukawa seems to have died giving birth to a child, her child with Togami of course, they both wear glasses due to bad eyesight so that child having to wear glasses make it even more possible that they were Togami and Fukawa child, since both of his parents have bad eyesight. How else can Fukuwa died when they live in peace?

Beside Hagakura predicted that his child and Naegi's child will have the same mother, he never said Togami's will too.


I was under the impression that Fukawa was the one taking the picture and made Togami hold an image of her so "she" would be in the photo.
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This episode was full of plot twists yet again! I totally thought Kirigiri was just deceiving Naegi the entire time and pretty much blamed the murder on him. I never would have thought we would see an execution scene for Naegi though, that was pretty cool. Alter Ego saved Naegi! :) Kirigiri x Naegi moments during the basement scenes were really nice. So Kirigiri is the Super Duper High School Detective and her father is the school's principal?! Wow, these revelations... Really enjoyed this episode.
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Sep 14, 2013 2:12 AM

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I'd never expected the rest of the gang voted Naegi off. Poor boy. And Naegi's expression during the execution sequence was really realistic, IMO, or I'm not the only one?

Sexy legs of Kirigiri are sexy.

5/5
Sep 14, 2013 2:30 AM

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symbv said:
Thanks DJIzzyIzzyHitler and DenjaX for explaining the bad end. I guess Fukawa has to be dead if Togami is to have a child with Asahina given how infatuated Fukawa is to Togami LOL


Actually, Fukawa seems to have died giving birth to a child, her child with Togami of course, they both wear glasses due to bad eyesight so that child having to wear glasses make it even more possible that they were Togami and Fukawa child, since both of his parents have bad eyesight. How else can Fukuwa died when they live in peace?

Beside Hagakura predicted that his child and Naegi's child will have the same mother, he never said Togami's will too.


i recently read that in the Dangan Radio show, they confirmed that Togami's kid was in fact Aoi's and not Fukawa, as we had all imagined lol. I just wish they could have hinted what could have possibly killed Fukawa. We will never truly know. Imagine Fukawa surviving and being a mom though? I just, idk. Togami's smiling face will forever crack me up.
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As always, main characters don't die.

But how can he forgive them easily? He should at least be angry at them even for a minute. He has the right to.
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Screwed up the investigation again. ... Due to that lack of details, unrealistic stuff happen in the trials to reach the same conclusion.


Okay Mr. Smartypants. Let's see you be the director. Make up a rough timeline about how this episode (or the Oogami trial episode which you used) should play out. You have about 21 minutes, good luck. See if you can include everything. The only way you could add more time is to remove the opening, and continue the animation over the ending, which they have done numerous times. Would you rather have them only cover 3 of the cases in 13 episodes and hope that executives green-light the budget for a second season? That wasn't gonna happen because this show is a non-moe, adult mystery show.

This show is actually very, very, good in that it's remaining faithful to the source. If a show deviates, people cry about "they changed too much and it's not faithful!" If it doesn't, you have haters crying about what couldn't be adapted. Did you cry when Clannad didn't have every side character in the game, even though its adaptation is 47 episodes? No show can follow a game/visual novel adaptation to the letter; deal with it.

Lastly, you're trolling with that "the viewer needs to figure it out" comment, seeing as how you've already played the game.

By the way, one thing this episode did have that the game didn't was Kirigiri's look of despair, her lip bite, and tone of voice right before she states she can't die here, before pinning it on Naegi. That elevated the episode, and I hope they show a few more moments like those which weren't adequately shown in the game.
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I see. This is probably the reason why Naegi is always at the ending picture.

Also, I can't wait for them to uncover why they are all gathered there will all of the information.
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The mastermind obviously isn't a brainaic, but anyone could think of easy way to win that game (from kurokuma perspective). The trial failed (naegi wasn't trully guilty) so he could execute EVERYBODY (as it stands in rules). It would be fair and he would won the game, also noone would be able to solve the mysteries behind that school, cause they would be already dead.
So i have 1 question, why he didn't execute them ?

When i wroteplot of that series i thought it would be best anime in that season, but unfortunately the murders couldn;t be even called the riddles, cause every killer made the simplest mistakes possible e.g

- showing the knowledge that only killer could have
- using skills that only killer had
- murders in anger

And using locked room to something as simple as suicide is just below any level (and they had problem to solve that !) :/
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So they won't let us see the bad ending animated? Mmkay.

Naegi got lucky that he have Alter Ego to save his ass from being crushed. I wonder why the same thing won't happen if Kyouko is the one being voted guilty. Alter Ego is a being dick?

The final trial, I wonder how they are gonna handle it.


I think it is because of Naegi's luck? If Kyouko's the one in there, being executed, Alter Ego won't be able to plant a virus in the system? Who knows. But that execution is one of the scariest for me (imagining myself in that position ugh)
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One Question: Naegi had sex with kirigiri? Do they have a child?
Sep 14, 2013 5:43 AM

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Great episode , I'm getting excited for the finale here.
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