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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Brilliant, Timcampy FTW. You got to feel sorry for Suman, poor guy. |
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| edge_666 said: Brilliant, Timcampy FTW. You got to feel sorry for Suman, poor guy. i agreed poor suman awesome episode cant wait for the next one |
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| Tyki :D |
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edge_666 said: Brilliant, Timcampy FTW. You got to feel sorry for Suman, poor guy. Tim owns. I can feel sorry for Suman a bit, too. Good episode, and did anyone else catch the variety of background music we had? I liked how they ended it too. Tyki owns as well. XD |
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| Now THIS is why I kept whinging about getting back to the manga. Awesome episode. |
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| Damn, I thought he was saved, I liked Suman. Poor Jennie! Next episode looks just as good. Tyki that bastard, still like him too. |
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| How can you like Suman? He had no character development, all we knew about him was that he was an exorcist, had a daughter, was horrible at chess and was a traitor. |
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| He cared about his family, he was a caring father and put that above being an exorcist. He cared more about his daughter than the Black Order that took him away from her. Seeing Jennie made it all the more worse that he died. What does character development have anything to do with liking a character? You can like a character in the first episode they're in. Also, it would have been better for him to live and atone for his sins. You can't atone or redeem yourself if your dead. |
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Legion17 said: Also, it would have been better for him to live and atone for his sins. You can't atone or redeem yourself if your dead. He had commited a sin directly against God by making a deal with the Devil. He even says himself that he has commited a sin that you cannot atone for, I asume he means while living, so I guess he can only be punished. Perhaps his attonement was a grusome death. After all when the Fallen One attacks it resembles a crucifix, add the halo and you get the ultimate act of attonment from the bible. |
_edge_Oct 26, 2007 7:08 PM
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Legion17 said: He cared about his family, he was a caring father and put that above being an exorcist. Wouldn't that mean giving up being an exorcist to spend time with his family, though? The way it had Jennie at the end made it seem like he hadn't seen her for a few years, atleast. What does character development have anything to do with liking a character? You can like a character in the first episode they're in. Good point. But I feel that's something that makes a character loveable, their backstory and their further development through it. Each to this own, though. |
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| I love Tim's slap <3 And I feel bad for Suman, but not to the point where I'd cry over his death. To be honest, when I was first reading the manga, I was wondering who the hell Suman WAS when he became a Fallen One. He hadn't appeared nearly enough to make a very strong impact with his death, though it did make one just because of the hugeness of it. If it had been even someone like Komui's assistants (yes I know they're not exorcists) then yeah, I might have teared up. I admit to tearing up when Johnny was in shock over losing Suman :< So I guess what I'm saying is, it was sad but I'm not going to be thinking about it for days like with more important characters. I'm in the middle I guess? The first part of the next ep is going to be epic. |
windy said: I love Tim's slap <3 When his arm first appeared my reaction was "...What!? No one has arms that short and stubby...Oh wait, it's Timcanpy." His arms make me laugh. And I feel bad for Suman, but not to the point where I'd cry over his death. To be honest, when I was first reading the manga, I was wondering who the hell Suman WAS when he became a Fallen One. I actually got confused in the manga, I got the character Lenalee remembers being tested on and Suman mixed up, thinking they were the same person or...something. They really didn't introduce Suman properly, I guess they went about it the right way in the anime, for once. |
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Viral said: From the way I see it, the Black Order are kind of a bunch of douchebags. They forced him to join the Order, they tied up Lenalee so she couldn't escape, perform dangerous experiments on people, I doubt they would've let him quit being an exorcist for any amount of time. Sure, its all for the greater good and I root for them but it doesn't change them from being any less meaner.Wouldn't that mean giving up being an exorcist to spend time with his family, though? The way it had Jennie at the end made it seem like he hadn't seen her for a few years, atleast. edge_666 said: I wouldn't take his authority on what sins can be atoned for especially since Allen tried to save him anyways. Even Lenalee who knew about all the dead he caused still wanted him to live. Allen eventually did save him from divine punishment albeit in vain because of Tyki. Btw Christ came back after 3 days, I don't think anyone should atone by dying unless they plan on coming back to life.He had committed a sin directly against God by making a deal with the Devil. He even says himself that he has committed a sin that you cannot atone for, I assume he means while living, so I guess he can only be punished. Perhaps his atonement was a gruesome death. After all when the Fallen One attacks it resembles a crucifix, add the halo and you get the ultimate act of atonement from the bible. |
Legion17Oct 26, 2007 11:18 PM
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| Isn't he dead when Allen pulls him out though? Given his body is still intact, but his mind/soul is no longer there. I don't think Allen really saved him ( could you save someone from God?) Tyki just takes away any hope Allen had left that there might be a way to bring Suman back. |
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| Basically, his soul ended up dying in the end. What Allen saved was just an empty shell that was eventually devoured by the Tease. |
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| I really loved this episode, it's just becoming darker and darker! Also I love Timcanpy!!! I felt really sorry for Suman because he couldn't really be saved and I felt sorry for Allen because he tried so hard to save Suman........and I felt pain for his arm! Each episode is becoming better! Can't wait for the next one! |
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Legion17 said: Viral said: From the way I see it, the Black Order are kind of a bunch of douchebags. They forced him to join the Order, they tied up Lenalee so she couldn't escape, perform dangerous experiments on people, I doubt they would've let him quit being an exorcist for any amount of time. Sure, its all for the greater good and I root for them but it doesn't change them from being any less meaner.Wouldn't that mean giving up being an exorcist to spend time with his family, though? The way it had Jennie at the end made it seem like he hadn't seen her for a few years, atleast. True. Although, I doubt that any of that happens anymore, with Komui in charge. |
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edge_666 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Brilliant, Timcampy FTW. You got to feel sorry for Suman, poor guy. Great episode and timcampy was great ^.^ nearly biting Allen's head off XD looking forward to the next episode! |
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| The musical score really brought this episode alive. Finally, fillers are done for and now this is where things start to pick up. Can't wait to see the manga animated further. |
| Very emotional episode. |
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| wow. Episodes like that are why I love D. Gray-Man! though I feel really sorry for Allen - who hasn't had a mention on this thread yet XD - I really thought he'd saved him at the end T_T And jeez did he fight through a lot of pain - "neither of my arms are working so bite me and I'll pull you out that way" Though I was wondering whether Lenalee was going to come back after saving the kid, seeing as she said she would |
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| havent commented on this series .... i was on the fence about to drop it cause it seemed kinda cheesy, but the story is finally getting better. hopefully the pace will pick up abit |
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| ^I was the same way, the fillers made we want to bury this series, but ep53 & afterwars so rar, have made me realize what I like about it in the first place. Poor, poor Allen. Watching him has just been torture these last few eps... |
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| wow this episode pissed me off even more than the last one. the guy is a mass murderer. he killed 1000s of innocents in this episode who had family just like he did. what makes him any better than them that his life is worth more than the 1000s he killed? allen didn't seem to mind that the others died at all but was only focused on saving the guy who killed them. it's not like suman is innocent, he made a terrible decision that led to this. he is accountable for his actions. if this happened in real life, say a man was drafted into the army and sold information to the enemy to spare his own life and kill 100s of his fellow soldiers and then was fed a drug that caused him to become a mass murderer who blew up 1000s of innocents i doubt anyone here would still feel sorry for the guy because he had a family he wanted to see... instead, everyone would be calling for his head. seriously, why did allen choose to save the killer over the innocents instead of stopping the killer and saving the innocents? that is the antithesis of a hero. sometimes i just don't understand people and how they can support things like this... |
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Allen really doesn't know when to give up, does he  ?... When he said 'activate' I knew this time he's gonna screw up that hand of his for good...I've been wondering for a while now why doesn't anything ever come out right to Allen. He tries and tries and gets terribly hurt in the process but right now I can honestly say I don't remember ANY person he's saved. And it's probably because he unconsciously sides with the 'evil' [so I don't say 'devil']. Kanda told him in the first eps that his desire to save everyone will get him killed; and I'd wish DGM was more than the story about how miserably Allen can fall because of this. I'd like to see him go up for once instead of constantly going down... Didn't find Suman someone to feel sorry about. I guess I didn't liked him that much from the start, but I would have wanted him to live [for Allen's sake...] |
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windy said: I love Tim's slap <3 I admit to tearing up when Johnny was in shock over losing Suman :<. I love Tim period, he's just so awesome ^.^ Yup i was sad for Johnny too, but that was a complete waste of time if he was gonna die after he was saved. I also like Tykis butterflies or tease |
kaylee130Jan 28, 2010 4:15 PM
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| That was such an amazing episode... So intense, but good stuff. Timcampy is indeed awesome. The scene where Suman turned into a bunch of Tyki's butterflies was really well done. Obviously, the whole thing has left a huge impact on Allen... Well, it would on anyone. :| Wonder where Lenalee went off to... |
| First, I can't believe I'm still into this series; and happily so! I mean, there are better stories out there, but even with them I'm usually chomping at the bit by episode 17. I've yet to get to the point -in any anime- where I've cared for character(s) like in some of my favorite novels. What is it about this anime...? I'm simply baffled. Speaking of baffled, I think the reason Allen tried so hard with Suman is because there are so few Exorcists. It's not rational by any means as I doubt Allen would allow even one civilian to be sacrificed for his sake let alone an entire town. Timcampy's influence has me holding out hope for a nice surprise, though. His little arm was so funny! Crazy little winged bugger, eh? ***A few hours later...*** Ohhhkay, it seems like I might have spoken too soon. I just finished watching an episode -a bit later down the line from this- & it was difficult to hold back the tears. I stand by my earlier comment for the most part, but I've been moved none-the-less. It seems like I'm more invested than I thougt. Enjoy! |
TsulaaOct 23, 2010 8:00 PM
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| The best episode so far probably! But Lenalee got me disappointed, wasn't she supposed to get back to Alen as she promised. Nah, instead she was just idling around. |
| ''Even if your throne crumbles and your shiny crown turns to rust. Even if the bodies pile up endlessly. Above the bottomless piles of corpses beside you as you lay softly down I will be, until I hear the words, check mate'' Sebastian Michaelis. |
| Epic episode! Wtb more like it. ITs getting good. |
| "One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." Oogway |
FiiFO said: edge_666 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Brilliant, Timcampy FTW. You got to feel sorry for Suman, poor guy. Great episode and timcampy was great ^.^ nearly biting Allen's head off XD looking forward to the next episode! Yea lol and his little arms were just funny. didnt think he had arms. |
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| Poor guy |: alright episode |
| My GOD what a fucked up series lol. They build up characters just to die random deaths. It's way to excessive, too many red shirt characters... Kids in this series aren't even spared, everyone gets killed <.< And poor suman, tortured like hell until he becomes a vegetable, he should have lived. But, still loving it lol :D |
| Good job Allen, nice saving. Anyway, Timcampy was great, he's more badass that any of the exorcists. |
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| That Noah is really malefic . |
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| Damn what an intense episode! This sure was a great but sad episode really sad Suman had to go, I was like fuck yea there's a chance but then that ending... really sad! I do hope Allen will survive it now with that dude behind him and his broken arm ;s Great episode I must say, lets see what's next! |
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| I loved timcanpy's lil arm. I thought Allen would have stopped Suman before the destruction of the village, or even saved Suman due to everything he risked, I was so wrong. Great (Depressing) episode. |
| Holy shit, D.Gray-man is getting really interesting! |
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Viral said: How can you like Suman? He had no character development, all we knew about him was that he was an exorcist, had a daughter, was horrible at chess and was a traitor. Is it bad that I cheered when tykki killed Suman? I just didnt want Allen to believe that he can save everyone. And also Lenalee is officially the most useless character ever. Also i hope that someone reprimands her for not doing a single thing. I don't think Allen will but I hope her brother does. |
ForsakenDrifterJan 7, 2016 9:56 PM
| Lol yeah, Timcanpy's little arm was cute XD Allen went through hell to save Suman, but in the end it was futile. It was to be expected though, how Suman really survive after becoming something like that? While Suman's action did kill many, it was still hard not feel sad for him when he came to and realized what he had done...and when Jenny said that she dreamt of her father. |
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