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03-19-11, 10:57 PM

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Then Utena gets impaled by thousands of swords and dies by Diabolus Ex Machina.



She doesn't die, as maarika she was simply being woken up for the illusion she has been living.

Great series and an amazing ending. I feel as if there were more things in the beginning and the middle of the series that had a importance that I missed. Definitely going to need to re-watch it at some point.

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06-06-11, 1:01 AM

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I love how all things fall into the place in these last eps - and you possibly cannot spot it at once cause first time you are too focused on the story itself. Then you take your time to rewatch and... all conversation, weird habits and such finds closure in the final scene.

@maarika, thanks for verbalizing my thoughts - it was really helpful to dig deeper.


And I have this feeling that Anthy may actually know where Utena is - physically. She has to find her mentally, as Utena found her in this coffin. Cause this kind of painful discovery, this kind of painful growing-up may make you want to crawl in some dark place. And now it is Anthy's turn to free her and give her back this childlike joy.
 
07-11-11, 1:15 PM

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Definitely one of the best anime I've ever seen. I mean, sure, it wasn't perfect as it had repeating animation and kind of got repetitive at times.....but it was incredibly thought provoking, the Utena and Anthy relationship was positively charming, the directing was fantastic, the music was wonderful, and that had to be one of the most powerful endings I've ever seen. Right up their with the likes of Gunbuster, Cowboy Bebop, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and End of Evangelion, in terms of favorite endings.

I kind of think of "leaving the school" as a mark of maturity..of "coming of age" if you will. I forgot her name , but in the Black Rose arc their was that one woman who graduated..and was much old than the others. My thinking is that Utena came to terms with her self and thus graduating, with Anthy soon following.
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08-06-11, 8:07 PM

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that was really beautiful. i wish all anime could be as meaningful as this. an anime hasn't made me feel this way in a long time. utena and anthy were really amazing characters and the student council was the best student council ive ever seen in an anime haha. i loved having an anime that had symbolism this profound but didnt leave me with a sour mind fucked kind of feeling (the kind where im like - yea this writer was on crack *cough madoka cough*)

i loved the retro feel of the anime and the music was AMAZING!

10/10 - this is the first ten ive given in a very long time. im glad penguindrum inspired me to watch this :) ikuhara is awesome!
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08-11-11, 9:32 PM

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The best part about this series was that build up song lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMBbf6mLJs

LOL I missed it in the last episode, im like where is my awesome build up moment?
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08-13-11, 7:00 PM

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10/10

Wow! Great anime. Not the ending I expected or theorised about, and this is good.
Everything in Utena is a metaphor for something. The school life represents childhood, once you become an independent adult, you must get out of it and live your life. The revolution means to obtain independence and break the shell of childhood and innocence. Akio represented the male power that subjugates women, making them live as rose brides. Utena broke his vision by acting with strenght, trying to show that even a woman can live as a prince. And she lived as a prince to show Anthy that she must be strong and go live her life by herself, she doesn't need her brother as she believed. Her brother created that world for Anthy, trying to keep her in his eternal dependence, and both lived that childish sick incestuous fixation. But Utena showed her that an alternative is possible.
 
08-14-11, 2:25 PM

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0_0 what the hell happened? Okay, I honestly cannot see why people love this series so much. There were so much vague imagery, and the last 10 episodes were confusing as hell. The only good things about this series was the fact that it provided some good psycho analysis on every character (major and minor).

6/10 (I'm probably going to get impaled by a million "you just don't get it" swords. lol )
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08-22-11, 10:27 AM

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about the ending, i believe Utena did not die (notice no one dies except Ruka) she simply stop wanting to be a prince and left the school after saving/freeing Anthy

she still has a date with Anthy in 10 years time, i am sure they are meant to be reunited :)

also i feel the ending indicated everyone else moved on, except Akio

a bit confusing till the end, but i guess that is the purpose of this show, for us to find out ourselves the meanings (i dont mind a rewatch), i like the way they are presented

in terms of entertaintment, this is one of the best series, and overall it had became one of my favs all time
 
09-19-11, 5:23 AM

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Very very original series that's for sure. I'm going to watch it again at some point because I obviously missed a lot of points. The final chapter is extremely moving and Utena is a great character.
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11-21-11, 9:52 PM

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...So, wait... is Utena dead or not? I'M SO CONFUSED ;__;
 
11-22-11, 2:15 AM

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...So, wait... is Utena dead or not? I'M SO CONFUSED ;__;


She's alive, that's why Anthy abandons her brother and sets out on a journey to find her. I believe one of the posters posted a link to an official artwork that hinted at Anthy ending up finding her.
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11-29-11, 10:34 PM

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Quite the splendid anime.
I didn't expect such a sweetbitter ending to the anime, but I am happy for the supporting characters that have gone on with their lives.

I have to say that I enjoyed the episodes filled with comedy a lot more, but the retraction back to the plot was always a great thing.

... I watched this because of Star Driver.
 
12-09-11, 5:43 AM

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Wow, that was extremely beautiful. I don't understand why people think Utena died. She obviously didn't. Watch the episode again. Anyhow, the symbolism was a lot to take in and every moment was beautiful. I really loved this anime. It pushed a lot of sexual boundaries which is something I really loved. There were a few pointless episodes that I really hated because they distracted from the main story line but all in all a wonderful series.
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01-06-12, 1:45 AM

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Wow, very great ending. There is a lot to take in here and a ton of symbolism, but I think that's one of the things that make this series so great. I'm too tired now, but maybe later on I'll add what I think this series was trying to say and what this ending meant in this discussion.

If not a 10/10 then very close for me, despite a few noticeable problems.
 
01-08-12, 5:58 PM

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heh... decided to watch this after finishing Mawaru Penguindrum... tbh i got pretty bored because in the beginning and middle it was so repetitive with the duels, totally reminded me of star driver.. near the end it got way more interesting.. but couldn't bring myself to enjoy it as much as others just because of my preferences.. nonetheless, this was a good anime, but personally not my type to watch.. especially with the main protagonist being too easy in being woo'd. the last episode i guess has to be the best for me.. especially the last few seconds where Anthy decides to search for Utena..
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01-22-12, 5:03 AM

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So in the end it was all about revolutionalizing individual worldviews. Akio's world is one where one bride has to bear the burden of never being fulfilled if everyone else is, or being hated by everyone if she is. The problem was that he can't access the power when it's only something he doesn't really want. Utena's belief you can just be what you want and try to save your friends was not possible as a world revolution so it didn't happen although everyone wanted it (Anthy and Utena). For Akio it was probably a shock because she was able to take it far enough to convince Anthy, but in the end it didn't work like he expected. It's pretty well written anime but kind of boring and not suble enough for me. 7/10
 
01-22-12, 9:05 PM

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It's pretty well written anime but kind of boring and not suble enough for me. 7/10


It couldn't be helped if you found the show boring, but seriously? You'd call all that symbolism 'not subtle enough'? It requires multiple viewings to get the meaning behind the imagery and the characters' nuances and body language, and to this day I learn something new about the characters and the plot every time I rewatch it.
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02-01-12, 10:49 AM

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Cool ending!!!!

but what makes me curious is, when Anthy told Akio, "Its ok, keep pretending to be a prince in your coffin" (something like that), what is that mean???
is it implying that Akio will be trapped forever in his own world? and what about all the student in school? will they ever graduate from school or will they trapped in the endless life in school?

And when Akio said that everyone forgot about Utena? is that true? did everyone including people close to her like Wakaba, Mickey, Touga, etc, eventually forgot who Utena is?? If that's true, that would be really sad... :(
 
05-04-12, 12:24 PM

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It was an enjoyable ending, although I probably didn't get all the nuances. Somewhat confusing owing to the fact they mixed up illusions and reality and in the end I'm not really sure why or where Utena disappeared. Maybe I'll read up on it and watch the movie.

The last ten episodes were great and the Nanami episodes too, but I feel the early part of the series had way too much repetition, particularly the fights. And I didn't like the way they kept introducing new characters only so that Utena could have a new opponent. The black rose arc was kind of silly, even as dark as it was. This anime explored many issues in original ways and had some very nice quirky humour (I assume Akio's photoshoot etc. were meant to be humorous) and for that I have to respect it, but because of the slow and repetitive beginning I don't think more than 7/10 is appropriate.
 
05-10-12, 12:44 AM

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i like how they changed the name of this show to its japanese title. it reminded me that i need to rewatch this series.

i hate it when people call this show nonsense and that people are overly looking into it/creating meaning when it doesnt exist. utena is genius story telling and animation. i hate when i hear that elfen lied is really deep because of its lessons about humanity and tolerance. there were so many better ways to make a show with profound hidden meaning. utena is deeper than elfen lied will ever be.

just wanted to get that off my chest.
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05-22-12, 9:53 AM

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I don't get why people think it sucks just because they didn't pay enough attention to understand it. This is coming from somebody who has just finished the series for the first time. Utena didn't die, she left. Everybody forgetting her was not that she was put out of existence - it's purely because as time passes your legacy is forgotten. I thought this was a great show. 10/10.

Even so, the ending was quite ambiguous, and that's the only problem for me. I don't usually like having to decide for myself what happened - I like to know for sure. I have no real complaints about Utena's ending, but I found it to be quite bittersweet, because we've followed Utena for the whole series and I liked her so much she's now in my favourite characters list. We'll never know what happened to her or where she went or if Anthy ever found her. And I find that pretty sad.
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06-18-12, 6:40 PM

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Damn, the symbolism overall was absolutely crazy in this series and although some parts of it were ridiculously repetitive (and sometimes that bored me to death) I can't say I disliked the series at all. I loved it. Very nice ending.
Ah, and just a comment, I always respect people's opinions at all times, but I have to say that the OP of this thread is pretty dumb for taking so much time in watching the whole series and not even trying to understand, hehe lol.
 
06-21-12, 4:16 PM

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Well I don't understand it entirely but I think people are overreacting slightly about the ending, it wasn't THAT hard to understand I think I understood it OK although not completely, but even if I don't all I can say is TVtropes answers all questions.

I could be completely wrong but I think the show isn't all that complicated, I don't understand most fo the symbolysm but the plot in my opinion wasn't all that hard to decifer and I had difficulty with inception.
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06-23-12, 11:13 AM

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Yeah, well whatever. Screw this...

Won't rate, since I'm blaming myself for not getting this (okay the show is to blame as well, but that doesn't automatically make it bad).

Ending felt like a complete waste. After sitting through 38 episodes I expected...something. It's probably kinda like Evangelion. Felt totally screwed after watching it the first time, since I didn't get it. Then read A LOT about it and watched it again (and again, and again...) and then it made more sense and I thought it was really epic. The only problem with Utena is...I don't feel like doing all of this for this show. It just doesn't interest me enough.

meh...


On a side note I really enjoyed the Black Rose Arc and thought it had an awesome twist ending. Makes the fact that it was ultimately pretty much pointless even more outrageous...

Edit: okay after calming down from the disappointing finale and having ten minutes to reflect on the show, it wasn't THAT complicated in the end. The basic premise of the prince and sister is actually quite simple. I think I got that.

The problems I had with this show:
- "Deep symbolism" is all nice and well but it was just over the top. It's fun to analyze scenes and think about a hidden meaning every now and then but this was just a bit too much (and too bizarre at times). Tone it down a bit, will you?
- It was quite repetitive and therefore a drag at times. 2-3 episodes less per arc would've probably done the trick. The way it was, there were so many scenes that just didn't do much (expect indulging in symbolism, see above) and felt like padding to me. Others may not see it like this though.
- The ending just pissed me off. I'm still not sure what happened, although that isn't what made me dislike it. It just wasn't satisfying gor some reason. And that's about the worst thing you can say about an ending. Although my view on this might change when (if) I see it again and read some interpretations (like with the Eva example)
- I HATED Himemiya's GUTS. I can't put my finger on what it was specifically but she just annoyed me to no end. I cheered whenever she got bitch-slapped in the beginning of the show. There wasn't enough of that later on...


All in all it was a good show. Entertaining for the most part (despite what I said about it being repetitive), great soundtrack and ultimately an intriguing plot (although they took their sweet time to get to the point and 39 eps just seemed a bit much). Still not sure how to rate it. After ep 38 I would've given it an 8, but that ending really wasn't all that good...
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07-13-12, 5:18 PM

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It's been three months now since I finished this and I have to say this series has stayed with me like very few anime do. Sure there was a lot of repetition but that too contributed somehow to the surreal dreamlike feeling. In most cases the more time goes on the less I remember about the series, but there was just something about this that sticks. It makes me think of Tenshi ni Narumon which is a show I didn't expect to like from the way it looked, but I can still remember it well after 12 years or so.
 
09-02-12, 11:36 AM

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Well! This show.

It definitely addresses some interesting themes. I can't bring myself to give it a 9 or 10 right now since I had a lot of problems with the layout of the story, but I will give it an 8 for now, and maybe change my mind later.


Some thoughts:

I thought the relationship and contrast between Utena and Anthy was very interesting, especially Anthy. At first she seems like she might just be a shy, naive and spineless girl who doesn't know any better than to live in the situation she does, but in a way she could also stand for a certain kind of adult womanhood that is more representative of 'traditional' womanhood. She knows the negative aspects of her situation (being completely controlled by others, used for sex, etc) but simply accepts them because maybe she thinks trying to change them would be worse than simply living her life without conflict. Utena, however, represents a more youthful point of view where she thinks she can change anything if she tries hard enough. In my opinion neither of these points of view are really all that great in reality, and that is probably the point.

I found Akio interesting as well. The main problem I had with him was that Utena's 'love' for him seemed to come out of nowhere. It would have been different if she really believed he was her prince from the beginning, but that didn't seem to be the case...it was as if she just decided to love him within the span of one episode. But whatever. I liked the idea that he had once been a prince and had grown up to become something decidedly not princely, though I felt like the show didn't really tell us why. Actually, in a lot of cases I felt the writers were trying to say that people tend to become more cold-hearted as they mature which...I don't agree with. Actually I think adults tend to have a lot more empathy and compassion than children since they have had more time to learn that things are not black and white and you can't expect everyone to behave the way you want. But I suppose a lot of people hold childhood up as this sort of nostalgic period of time where people are "good" and "noble". Eh...maybe it is true for some people. I think the Japanese tend to idolize youth (especially childhood) a bit too much.

Anyway, fascinating show on the whole.
 
09-05-12, 1:19 AM

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maarika said:
This is when, finally, the bells toll again declaring the end of the duel called "Revolution". Guess who wins? :P


Holy shit. The ending was a happy one for me, and reading this little detail makes it even more satisfying. Goddamn.

I really enjoyed this series: a lot more than I thought I would. A lot, lot more than I thought I would.

I especially enjoy how a character previously said that everyone who remains in school is not an adult, and at the end Utena is no longer in the academy, and thus no longer within the Chairman's "world." That Anthy heads out to find Utena is very indicative of how much she's grown in self-introspection, and is no longer trapped in her coffin. Ah, man, this was amazing.
 
09-06-12, 9:32 PM

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I can't help but feel something terrible happened to Utena, but it didn't feel to have a sad air in it so maybe she is alive somewhere.
 
12-21-12, 6:19 PM

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Hmmmm... I really don't know what the say about this anime... the ending was OK. I get that Utena is the "saviour" for Himemiya in the same way Akio/Dios was for Utena as a child (i.e. taking them out of their coffins).

I get that the "Revolution" is just changing people (like how Juri/Miki/Nanami all became better people), but I was hoping that the Power to revolutionize the world might actually be an actual God-mode which Utena would only use for "saving" Anthy and then not abuse it because of her nobility or something.

Anyway. I didn't like the SYMBOLISM OVERLOAD in this anime. I don't mind it, and its nice to have.. but in small amounts. In this, it was pretty much everywhere all the time.

I didn't understand how Utena stayed alive in the end, but whatever...

Overall, I'd give this a 7.5, for the characters and funny moments, and the intriguing storyline. Loses points for the Black Rose arc which was too long and the confusing symbolism/storyline.

8/10 rounded up. But I have to say, I expected A LOT more from this considering this is rated as one of the classics...
 
12-27-12, 11:55 AM

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Some episodes were way too repetitive and the fillers were never funny in the first place. Recaps were unnecessary.

At some point, it became a drag for me to go through one episode without pausing it and doing something else.

6/10 because the "TRUTH" was awesome. I pretty much had no idea what was going on after Black Rose arc
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01-31-13, 2:00 PM

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I watched the last episode almost an hour ago, and my mind is still reeling. I hate the feeling I get after finishing a series, but that ending floored me. I can honestly say that I loved this series. Even the filler episodes were entertaining - totally worth the time it took to watch.

I get the feeling that the school is all in Akio's head. It's his world and since he's moved on and pretty much forgotten Utena, everyone else has as well. Still, it broke my heart to see that Wakaba had nearly forgotten her.

I wonder if Akio even knows what the revolution is. He didn't seem to understand, even as Anthy (subtly) explained it to him. I don't think Utena died, either - she managed to break free of Akio's world. She matured, and therefore had no place in that world where no one ages or grows up.
 
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I know I am going to get a lot of "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PLOT SHUT UP" comments so I'll start with no, I do understand the plot (At least the important points).
It was very clear from the start what the whole "revolutionize the world" thing was. It meant to grow up and move on. To forget all your traumas or whatever from your past and start over. It was even more obvious during the black rose arc when we saw how minor characters moved on for their own personal traumas.
The symbolism was very obvious too. Roses being torn with swords, swords coming out of your "significant other's" body, phallic-looking buildings.
Even water, you could very easily associate water with girl's emotions of being in love/aroused. A clear examples of this is when Juri is watching her fencing-senpai and that other girl hugging and the water fountain is running in the background; the flow of water changed according to Juri's emotions. The same goes for when Utena is with Akio and Anthys is filling a vase with water nearby.
The coffin was another not subtle symbolism. We can easily have an idea of what the coffin really is when we see Saionji's flashback about "that girl" being in a coffin wanting to see something eternal. Again, it all meant to realize that you have to move on, get past all the things in your life that ties you to a non-real world/non-wanted world, get out of the coffin and grow up. The final chapter just proves what we knew from very early on the series.
Also, maybe I'm over analyzing this but there was some Freud's psychology as well, for example how the character must obtain some insight in Freudian tradition...but well.

Now that I covered that the series has in fact not such a deep meaning as everyone seems to believe I'll do a take on the characters and why they are the main reason why I didn't enjoy this show.
I'll start with Anthy. I hate her. I know she represents people who are happy about their own terrible situation. We see them in our everyday's life, take an abused wife for example, she knows she's being used for her husband/brother but she doesn't do anything to change it. That's exactly what made me hate her, she's such a mentally weak character that I just couldn't help but hate her. In the end she moves on FINALLY! but it took her so long to do it. I understand that's the point of having a heroine like Utena, she was meant to save Anthy (and save herself in the process) somehow and being the one to show her the truth but that doesn't make me hate her any less.
And now Utena. She started as a very interesting character, very naive, somewhat stupid, but with a lot of potential; just like any other main character. The only thing that bothered me was that she was going along with all the craziness without asking many questions, but again that is forgivable; the plot sometimes needs stupid main characters to progress.
What totally ruined Utena for me was how she suddenly "fell in love" with Akio. First of all that was not love, it was pure attraction; he was hot, he was nice to her and she liked him, that was it. But that's exactly what first loves are, finding someone pleasing to look at and talk to. But still, I thought Utena was more normal? I thought that she would never go for a guy with a fiance, she could be attracted to him, yes, but nothing more. And if the guy starts making moves on you while still being engaged then...isn't that a signal to reconsider and think that maybe the guy you thought was so cool is in fact a jerk? isn't that the normal reaction? Well I thought that's how Utena would react anyway and I was disappointed. And then when she admitted how she was actually mad at Anthy for a moment when she found out about her incestuous relationship with her brother. Wow, how could she be mad? The logical reaction would be to call the cops or something but nooo, she goes and gets mad at "her best friend". Ugh.
Oh and she forgives "her best friend" after having being stabbed in the back by her? wow, but well I suppose main characters have to have pure hearts and forget stuff like that.
And now Akio. I'm, kind of ok with manipulative guys as long as they have solid motivations. Akio's motivations were so all over the place and plain crazy and most importantly, he abused his sister both mentally and sexually... all those things are enough for me to have him as one of my most hated characters ever.
I was so enraged during the last episodes seeing these 3 being mentally weak and sick.

Jury, Mickey and Touga were ok. I feel like their traumas weren't traumatic enough for my taste and thus not enough to justify their actions. But meh, I recognize that's my fault, I'm very picky with background stories. Anyway their stories were still interesting and thought provoking and it was nice seeing them too moving on.
Nanami and Saionji are easily my favorite characters in this show. To me, they are the ones who changed the most and had a more interesting story.
First of all Saionji, we see him as the classic jerk with the hidden motivation to find something eternal for the girl he couldn't save when young. Initially I thought that wasn't interesting enough but then when living with Wakaba we see another aspect of his personality. That and his friendship with Touga proved he was actually more complex that I thought and that was a very grating surprise.
As for Nanami. We first see her as the comic relief with the classic brother complex. But it's when the brother complex starts to get serious that things get interesting. She "loves" her brother and was jealous of all the other girls. If she truly loved her brother "that way" she would have been happy when knowing they are not blood-related, but she wasn't, proving that what she felt for her brother wasn't sexual love, but just misinterpreted affection. Her reaction after seeing Anthy and Akio doing it just further proves it. That development of character was very interesting. It is also refreshing to see her normal reaction to all the craziness of the whole situation; in fact she gives Utena the best advice (to just get away from that incestuous depraved place) but Utena being Utena just ignores her. Oh and her comedic episodes were great; the trip to India made me laugh for the whole episode's duration.

And now the layout of the series. I know people says it's repetitive an oh god, was it repetitive?! But I didn't mind it that much. Every single chapter had some charm on its own, being funny, interesting, semi-crazy or just plain fucked up.
The music was excellent. It's funny how my favorite tracks are actually all Akio-related (Akio car and Dios he no inori) even though I hate him...but yeah excellent soundtrack.
Repetitive fights but enjoyable nonetheless.

In conclusion, very intriguing story line, some good use of symbolism, great music, decent animation, interesting stories, funny filler chapters, but the fact that I hate the main 3 characters' guts made the series a lot less enjoyable.
Also, as I mentioned above, I feel the show is highly overrated, people thinking everything is so deep when in reality the symbolism was plain obvious.
6.5/10 for me.
 
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Amazing series and probably the most feminist anime out there.
 
03-07-13, 2:21 AM

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I just finished it!
I really enjoyed the last third of the series and flew through it tonight because I wanted to know more about it.

To be honest, there were a lot of parts in two-thirds of the series that were a bit of a drag. I think this will be something I will watch later and appreciate more now that I understand the complete core meaning, but I can't help to say that some of these episodes caused this to be less than brilliant.

I have a feeling this will be one of those anime that I will want to discuss more, think about and let everything soak in. I plan on watching the movie soon to see a different side of the series. (I heard that Utena x Anthy relationship was a lot more apparent whereas they were more friends than anything in this.)

I keep teetering between a 7-8.
I would say 7.5
Good anime, but the story could have been planned better for someone going through it the first time.
Also, Utena is my favorite character of the series. I'm not one to go for the central character, but I couldn't get enough of the prince ideas that surrounded her.
 
03-08-13, 3:03 AM

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Jesus Christ that was amazing. Awesome anime ^.^
 
03-10-13, 7:37 AM

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11 months after watching it, I'm adding it to my favourites... time just makes me appreciate more what I've seen here.
 
03-24-13, 12:08 AM

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A lot to ponder but a great ending to a truly great show. The pacing and buildup was especially good, and it laid super solid foundations that paid off in spades. This and Penguindrum are two phenomenal works and I can't fucking wait for Yuri Kuma Arashi now.
 
04-07-13, 9:20 PM

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Wyvern-Ventrue said:

What totally ruined Utena for me was how she suddenly "fell in love" with Akio. First of all that was not love, it was pure attraction; he was hot, he was nice to her and she liked him, that was it. But that's exactly what first loves are, finding someone pleasing to look at and talk to. But still, I thought Utena was more normal? I thought that she would never go for a guy with a fiance, she could be attracted to him, yes, but nothing more. And if the guy starts making moves on you while still being engaged then...isn't that a signal to reconsider and think that maybe the guy you thought was so cool is in fact a jerk? isn't that the normal reaction? Well I thought that's how Utena would react anyway and I was disappointed.


That's totally the normal reaction, but Utena is not a normal girl. Since she was a child, she's lived longing for this prince that she met. Her entire image and self-identity has been defined by this one person. And now she thinks she has met him, he's showing this interest in her back, it's sort of her dream come true. She might go so far as to think she is fated to be with him because of the ring and all, meaning the fiancee thing is less of a big deal. Either way, Utena isn't just going to easily admit that the most important part of her life may not actually be straight out of some fairy tale like how she sees the world. And remember, she's 14 years old during the show, and clearly lives life like it's some fantasy story. It's not hard to see how she could easily be taken advantage of.

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Akio's motivations were so all over the place and plain crazy and most importantly, he abused his sister both mentally and sexually


Akio had exactly one goal: get back the power that he lost from the days when he was a real prince. That's pretty much literally all he cares about, and he moves toward this goal with sexual manipulation. Everyone he slept with in the show(which was quite a lot of people) had a purpose for him in his game. Sleeping with Anthy was very important for him, because he needed her to think he loved her, that he would save her from her suffering. He also needed her to be the obedient rose bride that enticed people into the dueling game, so that he could find candidates who could open the Door to Eternity, which he believed held his lost powers.

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I was so enraged during the last episodes seeing these 3 being mentally weak and sick.


Won't argue with that one. Utena, Anthy, and Akio are all very mentally unstable and weak people for most of the show. But I think that's what makes them such great characters. They start out as typical character tropes: the damsel in distress, the brave prince(ss) who fights for the weak, the mysterious and handsome prince. But by the end we realize that these are just human beings who have deluded themselves into believing the world works like a fairy tale. All 3 of them were using each other in some way, to make their lives seem like that fairy tale. Utena was fighting for Anthy because she wanted to save someone like a brave prince would, Anthy was allowing herself to be used because she believed her brother (her prince) would save her, and Akio used both of them because he couldn't accept that the prince he once was was dead, and that princes can't exist in modern times. It's the genuine friendship that Utena and Anthy developed that allowed them to figure out what they truly valued in the world, and that their fantasies were just being used and manipulated by Akio, who was never either of their princes.

... these are just my opinions :) This is what I got out of the show. I love it, if you can't tell haha
 
05-07-13, 7:47 AM

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I wanted to love it but didn't. I get all the layers of symbolism, I understand what they were trying to do. Normally I love shows like that - but not in this case.

It gets an 8/10 for effort.

I think people are ignoring a whole heap of shortcomings though. I think it could have been done a hell of a lot better.
 
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Not enough homosexual, bare-chested picture taking and bed laying
 
07-01-13, 9:13 PM

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fffffff

Nanami, shadow puppets and the soundtrack get this a 5 from me, otherwise I feel like I totally wasted 15 or so hours

they had SO MUCH TIME to develop a mythology we could invest in, talk about Too Little Too Late.

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Ending felt like a complete waste. After sitting through 38 episodes I expected...something. It's probably kinda like Evangelion. Felt totally screwed after watching it the first time, since I didn't get it. Then read A LOT about it and watched it again (and again, and again...) and then it made more sense and I thought it was really epic. The only problem with Utena is...I don't feel like doing all of this for this show. It just doesn't interest me enough.

meh...

On a side note I really enjoyed the Black Rose Arc and thought it had an awesome twist ending. Makes the fact that it was ultimately pretty much pointless even more outrageous...


Couldn't agree more. But with Eva I pretty much totally enjoyed it, this was a real slog. ("Well, I've seen 28 eps and it has its moments, too late to give up now...")
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i agree with the ppl who were disappointed. this was far from bad imo but there were just plenty of things that could have been done better. could have made it much more concise and still retained more or less everything that made it good imo, especially if you cut out all the scenes that were reused endlessly. did they really need to beat the audience over the head with that? i realize it was probably a budget thing more than anything else, but it's still a shame.

also, tons of things i didnt really understand their significance. what did utena's sword represent? why didn't it work for akio? did the prince actually have powers at one point? wha? i should have read the manga instead, would have been shorter with less filler at least, even if it doesn't explain things any better.

i was also hoping for a much more spectacular ending, everyone always compares this show to evangelion so i was expecting something like end of evangelion. it was so many orders of magnitude tamer than that, although the imagery of himemiya being stabbed by so many swords was a bit gruesome. however i still found it less gruesome than her earlier portrayal where she actually seemed to be in pain. here she seemed resigned to her fate so it didn't hit me as hard.

also i guess this show was censored for TV or something because i didn't see utena lose a single drop of blood from being stabbed. i realize it's a superficial thing, but i prefer realistic violence over the sanitized, bloodless kind.
 
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The symbolism here was well made, and I did enjoy the show overall, but I just can't forgive the several filler episodes, the silly repetitive scenes and the failed humor of most of the Nanami-themed episodes (although her final arc was very good and made her into a character and not just derpy comic relief). And the recap was also fairly unnecessary. This could've easily been a 22-26 episode show.
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Seriously what's up with those who want "a more clear explanation?" it was ALL there, you missed everything because you were bound to hearing expositions or straight explanations rather than paying attention to the symbolism/imagery/actions present. Or to put it simply, you just saw it as what it was as seen simply instead of delving deep into it. Or simply you just didn't understand. Also the filler episodes aren't there just to be annoying and save time. They actually BUILD character instead of making people wonder later on and complain about there being not enough character development for certain characters. Besides this is a show about how everyone in the academy grows up and faces facts, not just Utena, despite her being the main lead and causing the "revolution" around her. We want to know more about the other characters. And the ending was a very fitting and spine-chilling one to say the least. Utena and Anthy promised each other that they'd meet earlier on in the series, so it's up to your imagination to think whether they did or not. It's much more fun when the ending is open ended. At least she did fulfill her revolution before she left. It seems that everyone grew up technically, and they're back to doing their thing instead of being crazy obsessed over duels. The ending was sad yet satisfying at the same time.

No wonder bad, Raunchy, easy to understand-shows are more popular nowadays...
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I bet Madoka got a lot of inspiration from this series.
 
10-21-13, 3:17 AM

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Also the filler episodes aren't there just to be annoying and save time. They actually BUILD character instead of making people wonder later on and complain about there being not enough character development for certain characters.

This, so much this. This is why Utena might be the only anime I don't mind to have the monster-of-the-week formula, in fact adds to the story and character development. Unlike most other anime using this formula, Utena uses it to its advantage. I like to think it's a reflection of repetition and equality: Everyone has problems to overcome despite social status and the nature of their problems, also could be implied Akio has been playing this game of trying to make a revolution over and over for centuries along with Anthy, and well, going in circles (Anthy breaks out of hers in the end)

Almost all characters were dealt with, and all of them grow out of their shell and "revolutionize the world." Taking the symbolism literally (especially in the last episode) is the wrong way of going with this anime.
 
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Girls' Revolution succeeded, at least for Anthy and Utena. Happy ending. I really liked realistic characters with realistic conflicts and problems. One of the best animation in depicting characters.

Excluding some indie animations, this is the only feminist animation that exists.
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11-12-13, 6:57 AM

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The symbolism here was well made, and I did enjoy the show overall, but I just can't forgive the several filler episodes, the silly repetitive scenes and the failed humor of most of the Nanami-themed episodes (although her final arc was very good and made her into a character and not just derpy comic relief). And the recap was also fairly unnecessary. This could've easily been a 22-26 episode show.


The thing is, Nanami episodes only SEEM like fillers. There is actually some very important stuff and lots of character development in those. I won't go into details, but just try watching the way Anthy acts in those episodes...I don't believe fillers actually exist in this show. Everything is given deep meaning.
 
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Wow loved that ending!

It's a personal revolution the only one you can save is yourself.
Though your actions may inspire others.

The third part really made everything much clearer.

It's a 10/10 for me.
 
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