Kaze Tachinu Episode 1 Discussion

wadafakbbq said:
Did her wife died from the bombing or did she ditch her husband?

Lockensocke said:
Wow Miyazaki trolled us pretty hard, this movie was just terrible
If some of you fanboys ask why, check out my review about it:
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Lockensocke/reviews

SimmianPrime said:


You do realize that it was a "fictionalized biography" don't you? Meaning your complaints about a "lack of plot and goal" are just plain wrong. That's like complaining that someones life didn't have a plot.....

I genuinely lol'd at your "plot hole" of them speaking 2 words of English. They spoke more words of French, Italian and German....were those plot holes as well?

Lockensocke said:
[spoiler] Hey arnt you that guy from the Lotgh forums? Well i like to debunk all of you fanboys with their shallow opinion, but i really have to ask myself what you try to acchieve here. Shouldnt you know that such pseudo logic on your arguments dont work on me? Anyways:

“Fictionalized biography” and “life didn’t have a plot”…. I hope you notice how much you contradict yourself with your arguments. Like I said in my review.. I don’t know what this movie is, does it play in the real world or in some imagination land, and neither do you since the movie doesn’t tell you. If Miyazaki said so that’s fine for him, but it doesn’t matter as long as he doesn’t includes his opinion in the movie he created.

Every form of story has a goal, something the audience looks up to, which is the reason they continue watching it. In a biography you can make certain goals, such as fulfillment of that persons dream or just his life until he dies. The goal has to be established as soon as possible, because it decides the type of audience you have along with many other factors. In the movie “kaze Tachinu” the goal that was established, even though it was very unclear was the fulfillment of his dream, which means the building of his plane. But since the show focuses not around this goal and only let it reappear at the end as a short ending, the story has no set goal. Sure you can subjectively find your own goal in this anime, but that’s like I said, subjective only.

And there is no story without goal since its per definition included. If you have an anime without a goal it’s either a plane chain of events or pure abstract, in either way no continuing story. Maybe each screen segment can be defined as own storyline but it has no connection then.

And just a one question I have to ask: why would you make a movie about a normal person which just makes his daily work until he dies, without goal or plot? And why would you like or watch or even defend that? And I even said in my review: “this movie is for people who hate Miyazaki movies”, because in every movie there was something special, a goal to achieve. This movie is just flat and boring.

About the “plot hole”: if you can read you will notice the word “minor” in front of “Plot hole” and I said “often saying some one liners” which means there are more than 2 words spoken in English. It’s a difference when an adult, maybe a businessman who traveled a lot caught up some words around the world or someone says the favorite quote of a book in a foreign language than using English words in your daily chat with random people. This type of language most likely came into existence after Japan lost the Second World War and became more and more Americanized. Before that I would rather expect Japanese to have a rather negative attitude against foreign people and especially against Americans. When you look at history in the 19 century so a bit before the First World War Japan has been isolated for around 200 years from every other country, so around the Second World War I would guess that a bit of a dislike against every other country would still berecognizable, since this attitude should still be in the people. And after Japan has been opend to international trading Britians and Americans has treated them like every other backward Asian country, which mostly pissed them off.

As usual you fanboys are first trying to defend their shit before you actually think about what I said. What is wrong with you that you don’t hold back even if you embarrass yourself because you clearly show how little you know about the stuff you talk about? Inform yourself at least a little bit about Japans history or its culture before talking about historical anime. I would recommend doing it anyways, because you probably will get a different view over anime as a medium.

SimmianPrime said:


How am I a fanboy of a movie I've seen once 2 days ago? I just pointed out a couple of areas where (despite the inane wall of text you wrote as a reply) you were straight up wrong about.

If anything you're the one that acts like a fanboy.

SimmianPrime said:
I genuinely lol'd at your "plot hole" of them speaking 2 words of English. They spoke more words of French, Italian and German....were those plot holes as well?

bigzzcobzz said:
Good movie.

btw I didn't understand if the main character was a genius or an idiot, he asked his wife if he could smoke and she was sick, wtf that makes no sense.

ArcAdeAlchemist said:
I was a little upset that Naoko lost her French accent.. And we never actually saw her die... But that's preferences... This was a Fantastic conclusion to Miyazakis career.. Also ghibli films have such amazing dubs... JGL as jirou was genius.

GohanwaOkazu said:
I believe this is a film that Hayao Miyazaki wanted and felt had to be made for the Japanese audience. Whether will it will be liked by the audience in Japan or worldwide was secondary issue to him while he was making it.

Without knowing the social-cultural contexts of the production of this film, it's a bit hard to understand the strong message (it's pretty obvious for the Japanese, but somehow it was misunderstood elsewhere). The Great Eastern Japan Earthquake of 2011 shook Japan entirely with uncertainty with over 18,500 people dead or missing and 400,000 homes destroyed; at one point there was serious risk that 40 million residents in the Kanto Region including Tokyo had to evacuate because of the defunct nuclear power plant. Then, there was ongoing conflict at sea with China over the small islands, which fueled the increasing popularity of the rightist nationalist wing in politics among the younger generation of Japan, amid fears that war is inevitable in the future, sometime soon.

The wind was rising. And it was not a gentle breeze; it was a strong wind of turmoil which had very striking dark similarities to pre-war Japan. The Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 produced fear among Japanese people that ethnic Koreans and Chinese were plotting a revolt and releasing poison in the wells- which was exploited by right-wingers and led to a massacre of hundreds of innocent people. Also, the uncertainty created by Great Depression in 1929 also fueled the rightists and eventually the feeble democracy was overwhelmed by the military which drove Japan into expansionism, endless war with China, and subsequent defeat in the Asia-Pacific War.

Kaze Tachinu (The Wind Rises) is not a story about ordinary heroism. The Japanese know too vividly from recent memory that at the period of crisis a simple superhero cannot solve the situation; a Batman or two cannot solve real issues like severe natural disasters and looming war. The issue is too big and serious and complex for that; at time of crisis an all-promising hero is usually the villain. As in the film and reality, preachers preach nonsense with authoritative voice. But then what can normal people do? Be happy and join the mob? Or stand back in complete apathy, like some in the very young generation of the Japanese? Or kill oneself in despair, like some people chose to do after they lost hope after the Earthquake?

Jiro in Kaze Tachinu lives on positively by doing what he is best at doing. It's his lifework to make planes; he does not stop it although he knows Naoko is dying. Naoko knows that life is short and instead of being kept alive in hospital at vegetative level tries to live and burn out for her love, supporting Jiro.

The wind rises. We must live.

Kaze Tachinu is a strong ode for human dignity, with direct messages to the Japanese audience at the time of crisis, ongoing peril, helplessness, and apathy. It is also an allegory that sends off alarms (after all Jiro made the best planes that never came back). Whether it would be appreciated sympathetically in Japan or worldwide was least of Miyazaki's concern when he made this film. He had to make it as an aging son of a factory manager supplying materials for warplanes during WW2. It's meant to be his last will and testament (although I do hope he'll change his mind and make more films).

Overall, this isn't my most favorite film of Miyazaki, but some scenes are very beautiful and poetic (like the marriage and first night) that I can never slate this as score: 6/10 or call it underwhelming. I thought it was a masterpiece while seeing at the theater and I still think it is.